IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<gnunux>
hi
00:39
<Hyperbyte>
Heya!
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<blueonyx>
hi there, what options for centralised user management other than ldap are out there?
05:02
(and when got the L in LDAP lost? ;)
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05:21
<vmlintu>
blueonyx: what kind of environment do you have?
05:22
<blueonyx>
vmlintu: fat clients but my users dont use X, just ssh, i thing i'll stick with yp/nis
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05:24
<vmlintu>
blueonyx: ldap and nis are the ones that come into my mind too. I haven't personally used nis for a decade now, I think..
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<Stefn>
hi, after loging on my edubuntu ltsp client, i get a blank desktop and then it fails
05:31
does anyone know what's causing this?
05:31
<andygraybeal>
moRRIngingingi
05:35
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone !
05:36
<andygraybeal>
:)
05:36
<mgariepy>
Stefn, which version ?
05:36
<Stefn>
edubuntu 10.04
05:38
i386
05:40
<mgariepy>
hmm not sure.
05:40
did you try to disable/remove compiz ?
05:40
<Stefn>
no, what is that?
05:41
<mgariepy>
cmopiz gives desktop effects
05:43
<Stefn>
can I remove it with this command on my server? apt-get remove compiz compiz-core compiz-plugins
05:43
<mgariepy>
yes
05:44
if this doesn't work, maybe you can have useful information in ~/.xsession-errors
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05:49
<Stefn>
seems like its working
05:49
<mgariepy>
good :)
05:50
<Stefn>
what causes this? weak videocard?
05:51
<mgariepy>
yeah maybe the video card isn't supported correctly for compiz.
05:51
<Stefn>
allright, thank you very much :)
05:52
<mgariepy>
you're welcome
05:52
<andygraybeal>
compiz is extra anyway, it's not needed
05:52
2d work space is fine; no need for 3d flashy
05:53
maybe in 10 yrs we will all have 'minority report' interface :)
05:54
<mgariepy>
andygraybeal, are you working on it already ?
05:54
<andygraybeal>
hah :)
05:54
if they keep moving along with this stuff they are doing with wii and the microsoft console, maybe we'll get somewhere :)
05:55
*the new microsoft console
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<Hyperbyte>
Is there anyone here who is involved (even if just a little bit) in LTSP for Fedora?
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<blueonyx>
why cant udhcp grep an ip sometimes?
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<dantix>
hi all, I've just recreated the floppy disk for a thin client and started to not boot enymore saying: Could not automatically detect the network card.... I have an ne2000 ISA. Here the part correspondig to the client of dhcpd.conf : http://pastebin.com/y3ju6ABz
10:20
seems something is not passing option-129 to the kernel...
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<mgariepy>
hey alkisg
11:12
i pushed the new nbd-proxy in ltsp-trunk. can you try it in your setup ?
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11:19
<alkisg>
Hey mgariepy
11:19
<mgariepy>
:)
11:20* alkisg is at a conference, presenting ltsp tomorrow...
11:20
<mgariepy>
nice :)
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<andygraybeal>
awesome, what is the name of the conference?
11:23
url url!
11:23
<vagrantc>
heh
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<dantix>
what is the name of the image on eherboot image generator 5.4.3 to use with an ne200 isa card ?
11:26
<alkisg>
Hehe it's a greek conference :)
11:28* vagrantc cheers alkisg on getting greece ltsp'ed
11:29
<alkisg>
We're at about 250 schools and getting more each month :)
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<andygraybeal>
wow nice
11:39
random question.. it's nothing important.. do you guys think that when the time comes you'll.. you'll be using unity as the desktop environment for LTSP or stick with gnome?
11:39* vagrantc sticks with LXDE
11:40
<andygraybeal>
nice, i've thuoght abuot that too
11:41
vagrantc, do you happen to use evolution and lxde?
11:41
<vagrantc>
there's a difference between what i use, and what i configure as people's default environment :)
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11:42* vagrantc doesn't even start X very often
11:42
<vagrantc>
well, i'll often go a whole day without X
11:42
<andygraybeal>
nice
11:42* Gadi pictures vagrantc using evolution... :)
11:42
<andygraybeal>
what do you use for yuor email?
11:42
<vagrantc>
Gadi: it'd probably involve a lot of profanity
11:42
andygraybeal: mutt!
11:42
<andygraybeal>
nice, mutt :)
11:42
<vagrantc>
and offlineimap
11:43* alkisg will switch to unity when young students come that have worked with android, mobiles, touch screens etc before working with "regular" desktop systems
11:43
<alkisg>
I don't imagine that will be very far in the future...
11:43
<vagrantc>
when i do finally boot X, i'm running tritium
11:43
<andygraybeal>
tritium? (what the hell is tritium?! /me googles)
11:44
<vagrantc>
it's an ion knock-off
11:44
<andygraybeal>
wm?
11:45
<vagrantc>
window manager, yeah
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11:52* ball sighs. Today is yet another day when I wish we'd been able to put ltsp on the desktop.
11:52
<ball>
I waste so much time fighting MS Windows and associated virus/trojan issues.
11:52
(and broken licenses)
11:52
<andygraybeal>
poor ball ;(
11:52
ball do you work for a school?
11:53
<ball>
andygraybeal: No, but we're on the edge of a college campus and get a lot of students through here.
11:53
<andygraybeal>
your administration doesn't want LTSP?
11:53
<ball>
andygraybeal: We want it, but there are some pieces missing.
11:53
<andygraybeal>
aah .. do tell :)
11:54
<ball>
...and our budget is suboptimal.
11:54
<andygraybeal>
ltsp == suboptimal budget perfection ?? yes?
11:54
<ball>
andygraybeal: If you're looking at TCO, certainly.
11:55
<andygraybeal>
your payroll isn't included?
11:55
<ball>
Good question. I'll ask my boss.
11:56
<andygraybeal>
naw i don't know if it is a good idea to ask.. what are the other peices you speak of?
11:56
i'm curios, i'm so happy i didn't come into an environment with exchange!
11:56
or novell
11:58
plus in 2014, xp will expire updates; it's a compelling argument
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<ball>
I actually went looking for Netware when we rejected ltsp.
12:00
...sadly it had been discontinued.
12:00
One of the parts was the ability to lash two servers together for failover.
12:01
<vagrantc>
that's certainly possible, though depending on how much failover you want, varying degrees of difficulty
12:05
<ball>
vagrantc: Don't need much granularity. If one server went down people would get dumped back at the login screen and then would log into the remaining working server.
12:06
Somehow need to synchronise part of a filesystem between two servers though.
12:06
(two physically separate servers)
12:08
<andygraybeal>
you've seen the ltsp cluster documentation, yes?
12:08
that doesnt' cover what you need already?
12:10
<ball>
I haven't seen the LTSP Cluster documentation. My vendors told me it was not practical.
12:11
(for us to do it ourselves)
12:12
<vagrantc>
the vendors might be in a biased role, no?
12:14
<ball>
Fair point. Back then I didn't have the time to fight with Linux but perhaps that has changed.
12:16
<andygraybeal>
ball, not to say anything about yuo, but i'm not very smart. I'm trying to learn all this stuff too. it's taken me a while. plenty of help here. i also just found 'linux small business server' called zentyal. they plan on having ltsp integration somewhat soon :) i'm very excited.
12:16
i don't know if zentyal is something you can use, but my business could definelty use it. i'm trying to get it working as we speak :)
12:17
<ball>
I'll read up on that tonight then, after I get home.
12:17
<andygraybeal>
i've been lucky too with ebay and buying hardware frm local auctions
12:17
it's made affording this whole thing a lot easier
12:18
<ball>
We tend to buy our hardware directly from the vendor. Partly because I have to drive 300 miles whenever something breaks.
12:18
(e.g. today)./
12:18
<andygraybeal>
:(
12:18
300 miles.. holy crap
12:18
that's like longer than ohio is high
12:19* ball chuckles
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<ball>
Yeah, so anything that increases reliability is a good thing.
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<ball>
LTSP means fewer moving parts, so I like that.
12:20
hello cliebow
12:20
<cliebow>
hiho
12:21
!seen jammcq
12:22
better?
12:23
!seen jammcq
12:24* vagrantc misses ltspbot
12:24
<cliebow>
been so long ive forgotten..
12:25* cliebow cliebow waves to vagrantc..and Gadi
12:25* vagrantc waves
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12:46
<ball>
Oh, this is going to take a while.
12:52
<vagrantc>
sbalneav strikes again
12:52
<Gadi>
no wonder he has that 'S' on his chest
12:56
<vagrantc>
although rather than patching pam_mkhomedir, i should just do it the way gadi recommended with pam_script
12:58
cuz i want to also back up the homedir before removing it
13:00
<andygraybeal>
is cliebow sbalneav ?
13:00
<vagrantc>
no, i was referencing scotty's recent ltsp-discuss post
13:00
<andygraybeal>
ah ok.. i guess i missed
13:01
aah libpam stuff
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<Gadi>
wow, and here I thought nobody lstens to me...
13:06
*listens
13:06
:)
13:07
<vagrantc>
though libpam-script looks just tricky enough to get it all wrong
13:07
here's to virtual machines
13:07
<andygraybeal>
hah, that's how everything looks to me. :)
13:16
<mgariepy>
have a nice weekend all !
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<ball>
Is there a good book on LTSP?
13:25
<andygraybeal>
this channel and the ubuntu documentation on ltsp... from what I understand :)
13:25
and the man pages on lts.conf
13:28
<ball>
Hmm... okay.
13:28
<andygraybeal>
but maybe someone else knows better
13:28
<alkisg>
And the .pdf from the upstream docs linked on the /topic
13:28
<andygraybeal>
oh yea yea, that too
13:28
i forget about tha tone but that is a good one!
13:34
<ball>
I just downloaded that.
13:34
Thanks.
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