IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 February 2013   (all times are UTC)

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<Enslaver>
Any specific kernel options I should include when building the clients kernel?
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03:39
<jammcq>
hey all
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<highvoltage>
hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey highvoltage
04:29
just heading up to bed
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07:25
<ajith>
HI
07:25
Chan ..I am having with ltsp in eduubuntu
07:26
and my clients are unable to save their files on their dekstop or anywhere else in theri session in which they have logged on
07:28
<work_alkisg>
Type alt+ctrl+t to open a terminal, and there run:
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id
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ls -l
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and put the output to pastebin
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07:50
<ajith>
drwxr-xr-x ltspltsp
07:50
i can see users in/etc/paswd
07:51
file home directory is being not created in /home
07:51
can u please lok in to this
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08:32
<alkisg>
Yeah please follow the instructions above
08:32
We need the output of both commands
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10:15
<meamy>
Hi all is it possible to create a debian chroot on an ltsp server running ubuntu?
10:15
!debian
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<ltsp>
debian: is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
10:16
<alkisg>
Sure
10:21
<meamy>
but the the appserver as to be also a debian then or?
10:23
<alkisg>
No
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10:29
<meamy>
mm got this error: E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/wheezy/Release
10:29
ltsp-build-client --arch amd64 --chroot debian --ltsp-cluster --prompt-rootpass --dist wheezy --skipimage
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<ltspuser_20>
hi
10:30
<alkisg>
meamy: I think you need to provide the mirrors as well
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10:31
<alkisg>
meamy: also, I don't think debian has support for ltsp-cluster, although I might be mistaken
10:38
<meamy>
alkisg: i will test it, but a client in ltsp cluster is not so mutch different from a normal ltsp-client. just the script getltspcfg-cluster (and some in /usr/share/) need to be added and maybe some Small changes in some scripts so that shut not be a big thing
10:39
<alkisg>
meamy: scripts might be missing from the ltsp-client-core package in debian
10:39
Even some dependencies might be missing
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<meamy>
alkisg mm if i found bugs in debian installation routine for ltsp-build-clients where is the place to submit them ? also in the launchpad?
11:30
<markit>
meamy: for debian AFAIR vagrantc is the right person, if alkisg is not here
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11:50
<meamy>
@vagarntc hi i want to create a debain wheezy thinclient chroot on an ubuntu 12.04 ltsp cluster after finishing the installation of the basic system he does not find /etc/locales.gen and the installation broke up. I: Base system installed successfully.
11:50
chroot: failed to run command `locale-gen': No such file or directory
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<markit>
meamy: vagarntc is not here
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meamy: you should use tab compltion of your irc client and don't use @
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13:49
<neto>
hi u all...I'm havin an issue with Ubuntu configuration
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13:51
<neto>
need to know by whom the default file located in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg is generated
13:52
cause when I update the image the file is updated too
13:53
<MastaaK>
Hi everyone, I've got a problem. My LTSP server works fine, I can connect with local account, but I want to connect via LDAP server, so I connect him and all was OK, I can get the account with "getent passwd", so the connection works fine. But for some mysterious reasons when I put the password and username it's okay in syslog and in auth... I might be not clear, feel free to ask! LTSP 5|Ubuntu 12.10|External DHCP
13:53
neto: Make it Read-Only?
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<neto>
hum....it could be a solution
13:56
but is there a way to pass some parameters to this file generator?
13:56
<meamy>
there is a config file for ltsp-update-kerlnel
13:56
<MastaaK>
But why did u want this file to not update?
13:56
<meamy>
somewhere
13:56
<neto>
this file is generated without my server ip address and then I have to fix it all the time
13:57
I mean in the last parameter
13:57
nbdroot
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<meamy>
neto in the chroot you use /opt/ltsp/amd63/etc/ltsp/update-kernel.conf
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i think that shut be your solution
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<neto>
I'll give it a try
14:00
I guess this is it
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thanks @meamy
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see ya
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exit
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oops
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<meamy>
anyone how uses debian chroots on an an ubuntu server on? problem seems to be related to this old bug http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=514877 i removed the script witch call locale-gen /usr/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Debian/025-locales but something still tries to start locale-gen witches broke the hole installalltion of the debian chroot
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<alkisg>
It sounds like you're using the ubuntu plugins, not the debian ones
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Try re-running your ltsp-build-client command with VENDOR=Debian in front
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<meamy>
alkisg: mm still not working same error. export VENDOR=Debian; ltsp-build-client --arch amd64 --chroot debian --ltsp-cluster --prompt-rootpass --dist wheezy --mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ --security-mirror http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-security/ --skipimage
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<alkisg>
./server/share/ltsp/plugins/ltsp-build-client/Ubuntu/019-ltsp-cluster: add_option "ltsp-cluster" "`eval_gettext "enable LTSP-Cluster"`" "advanced" "false"
14:42
That's Ubuntu specific
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It won't work on Debian
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<meamy>
arg would love to get debain chroot working with ltsp-cluster
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<alkisg>
meamy: you could try to symlink/copy it to debian dir
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Also try export DEBUG=1 ...
14:50
<markit>
hi alkisg, I've tested epoptes remote help yesterday, with vnc it's ok, with screen does not work. In my computer I entered: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0
14:50
do I have to enter it from terminal or xterminal?
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<alkisg>
xterm -e socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0
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<meamy>
alkisg: whoa DEBUG=1 is kind of cool would have saved me a lot of time :). even with VENDOR=Debian ltsp-client-bluild still loads the ubuntu plugins. i guess that is the problem (i remove already the --ltsp-cluster parameter)
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<markit>
ok, let me start the vm with epoptes and try again
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alkisg: btw, epoptes has a client part that needs to be installed in clients, and provides connectivity with the epoptes server I think. The UI is in the server package, then. Do you refer to it as "Epoptes gui" or a different name (i.e. epoptes control center / whatever)?
14:57
because I've seen some in the italian ML is confused and calls it "epoptes client"
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alkisg: mmm an xterminal appears in the assisted program, while my local xterm closes
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<alkisg>
markit: epoptes client, epoptes server, epoptes UI
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markit: try connecting to me: socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:5500 & screen -l -S ra
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<markit>
ehm, screen -l -S ra ?
15:12
I did not used it
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my whole command was as you gave me
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<alkisg>
So that part does work
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Now try again, from inside epoptes
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Put alkisg.dyndns.org
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And "console" as the connection method
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<markit>
alkisg: but then "& screen -l -S ra" is needed?
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!socat
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<ltsp>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
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<alkisg>
bbiab
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<markit>
ah, ok, I was the one assisted lol
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<alkisg>
markit: so, all ok?
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<markit>
no
15:20
if I try from my vm to my 192.168.1.30 does not work
15:20
may I try from my Vm to you?
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<alkisg>
Sure
15:20
I thought that's what you did previously... :)
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<markit>
shows connected... not connected
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<alkisg>
That's closing, yeah
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<markit>
the same locally
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<alkisg>
Let me see if I can get the error message here...
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E.g. you might be missing screen or socat in the VM
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<markit>
a xterm opens in epoptes and mine closes at the same time
15:21
AH!
15:21
let me check, but should be a epopted dependencies... maybe I'm using stock ubuntu version not greek repo
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<alkisg>
If you have epoptes installed there, yeah, they would be
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markit: try one more time
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<markit>
mm they are there
15:22
ok
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<alkisg>
Please set a terminal type.
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<markit>
where?
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<alkisg>
I.e. you probably don't have a TERM variable
15:23
Are you running that from the epoptes dialog?
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<markit>
I've tried to connect with you and failed
15:23
yes
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<alkisg>
Open a gnome-terminal
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echo $TERM inside that
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Then run epoptes inside that
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<markit>
ok (Konsole ;P)
15:23
ok
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<alkisg>
And then try again to connect to me
15:25
So the problem is that $TERM is not defined when you run epoptes from within KDE
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I don't remember if that's true for Gnome too
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...meh so the epoptes devs are too geeky to use the menus, that's where the problem was :P
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markit: do file a bug in epoptes about that
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<markit>
ok, thanks a lot
15:28
may I disconnect the Vm from your assistance or do you have something to check there?
15:28
I suppose the latter ;P
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ops
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former
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<alkisg>
meamy: did you manage to properly set VENDOR?
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<meamy>
alkisg: ok i add a line in the ltsp-build-client script witch check if Vendor (otherwise it overwritten) already set now it works. at least till it triggers the ltsp-update-image scripte witch miss his .conf file
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<alkisg>
VENDOR=${VENDOR:-"$(detect_vendor)"} # Linux distribution
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...if it was set, it shouldn't get overwritten
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<meamy>
mm in my version of the scripte it was Vendor=$(detect_vendor) i change it to [ -z $Vendor ] && Vendor=$(detect_vendor)
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<alkisg>
Ah, ok, older scripts, that makes sense
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<meamy>
alkisg: why debian wanted to disable ltsp-update-image? did it use NFS by default?
15:42
<alkisg>
Yes, debian uses nfs by default
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meamy: your server is 12.04?
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<meamy>
alkisg: yes
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<alkisg>
It might be much easier for you if you use my PPA as it is for Ubuntu but has a newer LTSP, the one in Wheezy
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!greek-ppa
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<ltsp>
Error: "greek-ppa" is not a valid command.
15:43
<alkisg>
Meh
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<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp#Installation
15:43
Just the repository part, you don't need the other stuff
15:44
Basically, add-apt-repository --yes ppa:ts.sch.gr etc
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But you need to remove the 12.04 ltsp and nbd first, and remove their configuration files
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Because they're not compatible with the newer ltsp/nbd versions in the greek schools ppa and in wheezy
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The differences are much easier switching from/to nfs/nbd, different kernel command line options etc etc
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bbl
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<knipwim>
mgariepy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/604908 is assigned to you, did you make a fix for that in ubuntu?
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<mgariepy>
knipwim, no i haven't
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<gp>
Is there any trick to support guest login with Ubuntu LTSP? I have added LDM_GUESTLOGIN to the lts.conf file and have the guest login button. But when I check it I get a "no response from server, restarting..." message. I can log in with a user account and password though
20:20
*click it
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<alkisg>
gp: also specify LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD in lts.conf
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The "guest login" actually means "login using a specified username/password"
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<vagrantc>
it predates ubuntu's "guest login" feature
20:42
so it seems easy to confuse the two
20:43
it would actually be really cool to implement something more like that, though
20:43
although just switching to lightdm might make that easier.
20:47
<gp>
Oh I gotcha
20:47
So I should just create a literal guest account with a username and password for now
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<vagrantc>
it defaults to the auto-generated hostname.
20:55
i.e. ltsp127
20:55
i use ssh keys and passwordless accounts, so that way users can't change the password and mess with things that way.
20:56
<gp>
Hah good point
20:57
Is there somewhere that configures the "/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default" file? It keeps getting overwritten while I am tinkering with the image and then I can't connect
20:59
Specifically, I don't want the quiet splash so I remove that. And then I add IPAPPEND 3
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<vagrantc>
it's generated from /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
21:01
you want to specify /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf: IPAPPEND=3
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and then: ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels
21:02
you may need to create update-kernels.conf
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<gp>
Ah I think I was missing the ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels step
21:05
<vagrantc>
you should only need to run that step once
21:06
well, only once after editing update-kernels.conf
21:10
<gp>
Should that carry through ltsp-update-image? Cause I tested it and IPAPPEND 3 doesn't carry over
21:10
for some reason
21:10
it actually reset the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf file
21:10
<vagrantc>
ltsp-update-image should call ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels and ltsp-update-kernels ... but there may be issues in the order it calls them.
21:11
that sounds like a bug in ltsp-update-image...
21:12
i don't know the exact state of things on ubuntu 12.04 ... we've done a lot of changes in the last year...
21:12
<gp>
Okay
21:12
<vagrantc>
gp: you could file a bug on launchpad
21:12
it really should not reset that file.
21:13
<gp>
I will test it once more to verify
21:13
I am running on basically a fresh install off the cd
21:13
Which could also be the problem
21:18
Yea. I just added IPAPPEND=3 to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf. Then did sudo ltsp-chroot /usr/share/ltsp/update-kernels. Then did sudo ltsp-update-image. Then checked the update-kernels.conf file and IPAPPEND=3 is gone
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<gp>
Actually if I remember right the cd just downloaded all the packages... so that wouldn't be an issue
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22:22
<Enslaver>
So I just shot off an email to Warren asking for his assistance in figuring out this last piece. Regardless of what I try, this x86_64 build is just not working.
22:23
<Hyperbyte>
Enslaver, what's going wrong with it?
22:23
I'm no expert, but shoot... who knows. :)
22:23
<Enslaver>
The X is not starting, ldm core dumps
22:23
The issue doesnt appear to be ldm related though
22:24
it calls the /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc which calls the screens for the vty's and starts the preferred display manager assigned by ldminfod on the server
22:24
running xinit manually works, so i know its not a driver issue, i can pull up the graphical display
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<Enslaver>
So i'm wondering if there isnt some kernel option im missing or something called in libexec that it doesnt agree with
22:25
<Hyperbyte>
So you can start X manually, but via the init scripts it breaks?
22:25
<Enslaver>
correct
22:26
i can't startx manually though
22:26
but i can xinit
22:26
startx complains about MTRR's, but this latest kernel compile should fix that
22:30
<Hyperbyte>
mhmm
22:31
Sounds like kernel issue alright.
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22:35
<warren>
Enslaver: hey
22:35
Enslaver: saw your e-mail
22:35
Enslaver: I can take a quick look now
22:35
<Enslaver>
Excellent!
22:35
I was just talking about you actually
22:35
I'll get you setup
22:36
<warren>
Enslaver: can we have you and Jim as the maintainers?
22:36
<Enslaver>
Yeah thats fine, I just need a repo for the client rpms
22:36
I ping'd the redhat guys for EPEL space
22:36
<warren>
EPEL needs a package review, which would be very difficult for LTSP
22:37
for now let's just test it in our private repo
22:37
<Enslaver>
alright, once this is at the next stage i'll be setting up a local repo for testing
22:37
<warren>
got high speed web space? I can put it on my university's Linux mirror server.
22:37
<Enslaver>
yeah
22:37
<warren>
ok
22:38
<Enslaver>
what i've done is on launchpad, but I have VM's that are more portable and up to date
22:38
<warren>
Enslaver: did you get features that I didn't attempt to support to work?
22:38
<Enslaver>
But I host everything currently on a vmx server
22:38
<warren>
Enslaver: and did you modernize the nbd package?
22:38
<Enslaver>
esx*
22:38
I have NBD 3.2 i'm currently in process of building a spec for
22:38
<jammcq>
warren: hey
22:38
<Enslaver>
An issue im having is a kmod-nbd
22:38
<warren>
Enslaver: let's get the modernized nbd package into latest fedora
22:38
jammcq: hey
22:38
<Enslaver>
for x86_64
22:38
<warren>
ooh
22:38
shit
22:39
EL6 is missing nbd ko?
22:39
<Enslaver>
yup
22:39
its only in your thinclient rpms
22:39
<warren>
Enslaver: perhaps we're better off providing our own kernel for EL6 clients
22:39
<Enslaver>
i have a rebuilt kernel with them
22:39
<warren>
Enslaver: it can be much smaller that way
22:39
<Enslaver>
about to copy that to the client
22:39
yup, you build in DM_THIN support?
22:40
<warren>
dunno, but config change is easy
22:40
<Enslaver>
I took a lot of the crap out, built in wireless support and NBD
22:40
I can even go smaller or have alternate kernels for thin/fat
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22:40
<warren>
space is less of an issue these days. Aim for ONE kernel that will satisfy everyone if possible.
22:40
that is compatible with the EL6 userspace, which is i686 right?
22:41
<Enslaver>
Well i686 is compatible, but my goal is for i686 and x86_64
22:41
i686 is working great, thanks a lot to your code, but still x86_64 is having an issue
22:41
<warren>
ahh yes
22:41
brb
22:42
<Enslaver>
wish you were in irc 5 minutes before, i actually typed out the entire issue
22:47
<warren>
Enslaver: you trying to make a single kernel.src.rpm that will output the desired i686 and x86_64 kernels?
22:47
<Enslaver>
no
22:47
you referring to the X86 flag set?
22:47
<warren>
Enslaver: did you create a fedora account? you can throw scratch .src.rpm builds into the koji build system for targets like EL6 and Fedora, very convenient.
22:48
<Enslaver>
ah nice, yes i created one
22:48
mock btw, very useful
22:49
<warren>
Enslaver: btw, you working on Fedora LTSP integration as well, or only EL6?
22:49
Enslaver: what's your fedora account name?
22:49
<Enslaver>
Dunno, I was discussing that earlier.
22:49
<warren>
Enslaver: running any fedora boxes yourself?
22:49
<Enslaver>
yes, i have fc17
22:50
<warren>
Enslaver: btw, would it help your employer to give you more time to work on LTSP if incoming donations went to your company to help cover your salary?
22:50
<Enslaver>
I really would like to get this working properly in EL6, then get fat clients going, then i'll work on getting it in fc17, but that just sounds like it will eat my lunch with time.
22:51
<warren>
what type of fat clients?
22:51
<Enslaver>
Well that depends if I can get unionfs-fuse working right
22:51
<warren>
oooh
22:51
<Enslaver>
:)
22:51
<warren>
interesting
22:51
<Enslaver>
cow filesystem
22:51
<warren>
unionfs-fuse is a file-level overlay?
22:51
<Enslaver>
ltsp-moo
22:52
copy on write fuse module
22:52
<warren>
at the file level, not block level right?
22:52
<Enslaver>
correct
22:52
<warren>
Fedora's dm-snap livecd overlays haven't worked well
22:52
block-level overlay
22:52
<Enslaver>
i looked at those
22:52
<warren>
it's garbage
22:53
<Enslaver>
i thought fuse might have some native cow implementation
22:53
<warren>
fuse itself is pretty stupid
22:53
it does whatever you implement
22:54
err, but why do you need an overlay filesystem?
22:54
<Enslaver>
you'll see
22:54
i've been having quite some fun with nfs, nbd, rwtab and stateless devices
22:57
<warren>
ok, so you have changes on top of ltsp upstream source and updated .spec files?
22:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hi Warren. :)
22:57
<Enslaver>
yes
22:58
I also included lsb
22:58* Enslaver ducks.
22:58
<warren>
huh?
22:58
<Enslaver>
linux standards base
22:59
have a look at /opt/ltsp/BUILD/ltsp-enslaver/ltsp.spec
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<warren>
hold
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23:01
<warren>
Enslaver: what kind of bandwidth does this host have?
23:01
Enslaver: upload
23:01
<Enslaver>
50mbit
23:01
oh, upload?
23:01
<warren>
yeah
23:01
<Enslaver>
right at 8mbit
23:02
<warren>
Enslaver: want to upload it to my linux mirror? I have pretty much unlimited bandwidth.
23:02
Enslaver: if we have testers using this repo, don't want it hitting your home network
23:02
<Enslaver>
sure, want the whole vm?
23:02
<warren>
err...
23:02
hmm
23:02
good question
23:02
we could do builds in the VM
23:02
<Enslaver>
Because I dont have the server part packaged yet
23:02
<warren>
oh
23:03
<Enslaver>
the only reason the client is was to make it easier for me to test
23:03
I run other servers out of my home network, (yes, I have a rack at my house), so i don't mind
23:04
plus it's VLAN'd out so you can't sniff my porn traffic
23:04
errr i mean resarch
23:04
:)
23:04
<warren>
sorry, send me the login details agai
23:04
again
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