IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:15
<iMav>
I thought ltsp developers never slept? :)
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01:39
<ChinaForge>
hello
01:40
I have a problem.
01:40
how can i use chinese for ldm?
01:43
Hello,Can you help me?
01:44
Hello,Can you help me?
01:53
<iMav>
I think everyone is sleeping. :)
01:53
<ChinaForge>
I think too. :)
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03:29
<ursatz>
hello
03:30
I have a problem with ltsp 4.2
03:30
if I run ltspcfg I get this error
03:30
Checking nfs....rpcinfo: can't contact portmapper: RPC: Remote system error - Connection refused
03:32
and if I try /etc/init.d/nfs-kernel-server restart
03:32
i get * Starting rpc nfsd... [FAIL]
03:32
any1 can help?
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06:31
<rpetre>
hi, i know it may be a faq, but i can't find the answer: what's needed in the ltsp chroot so that setxkbmap works? it currently complains about "error loading new keyboard description"
06:33
nvm, found something in the wiki
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06:45
<rpetre>
nope, copying /etc/X11/xkb from the server to the chroot does not have any effect
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07:06
<vanya>
what do you think about http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ ? can't it be helpful for ltsp ?
07:08
<jammcq>
vanya: it's a cool idea, but the project is mostly dead
07:09
we played with it a bit, but it turns out to be really tricky to manage all of the USB devices of all of the thin clients
07:09
<vanya>
actually last news from there dated Mar 8, 2007
07:09
<jammcq>
usbip doesn't differentiate between users, so you just end up with lots of USB devices looking like they belong to the server
07:09
and even then, it doesn't help with cdroms and floppies
07:10
<vanya>
but it will help for plain thin clients that don't have those floppy and cdroms in them
07:10
just USB attached
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07:11
<jammcq>
well, yer welcome to play with it. we looked at it, and decided it wouldn't work for us
07:11
<vanya>
and all the proccess is quite transparent
07:11
<jammcq>
I don't remember all the details
07:11
<vanya>
it's a pity
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07:12
<jammcq>
sbalneav has a better memory for that sort of stuff. he actually had usbip working, and figured out where it was a problem
07:12
<vanya>
if the project is not dead we can cooperate with its authors..
07:12
<jammcq>
go for it
07:12
<vanya>
Idea is really interesting
07:12
I will check and tell you..
07:13
<jammcq>
I know scott worked with the guy in Japan, and something just wasn't right
07:14
<vanya>
usbip 0.1.4 released (Sun, 12 Nov 2006 15:47:30 GMT)
07:14
it's not dead!
07:15
<jammcq>
ok, you don't need to convince me
07:15
<vanya>
I would like to hear the reasons
07:15
<jammcq>
go ahead and make it work, and let us know how it goes
07:15
<vanya>
I am not coding in C or something, but I could try to use what is already developed in my ltsp environment
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08:42
<sbalneav>
Morning all!
08:43
<cliebow_>
S!!!'
08:47
<Jenna>
morning
08:47
<cliebow_>
8)
08:49
<vanya>
sbalneav, Good morning to you! jammcq advised me to ask you about the http://usbip.sourceforge.net/ . What were the main reasons to not use it?
08:50
<sbalneav>
vanya: heh
08:50
Looks like it's just started up again.
08:51
For a long time, since 2004, it had sat idle, and didn't work with any kernel past about 2.6.8
08:51
<jammcq>
!s
08:52
<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:52
<sbalneav>
For us, the big reason was, it wasn't in any mainline kernel, so it would mean us having to support helping people compile custom kernel modules
08:52
Morning jammcq
08:52
got my invite yesterday!
08:52
<cliebow_>
wonder how it fared when you ripped a usb device out on the sly
08:52
<jammcq>
oh? Woooooohooooooooooooooo
08:52
<cliebow_>
Spain?
08:53
<jammcq>
espana
08:53
<cliebow_>
Cool!..now i friends in hot places
08:54
<vanya>
cliebow, you mean what happens, when user just unplug USB stick? same thing if you unplug it locally on server
08:55
sbalneav, it is still not in mainline, but main developer said he is still interested in project right now and searching for somebody to drive the project
08:55
they also say that that stuff works on 2.6.18 kernel
08:55* jammcq thinks vanya could drive it
08:56
<vanya>
I don't have the required skills
08:56
for this
08:58
<jammcq>
there's no better way to acquire them
08:59
<vanya>
I adviced him to write to ltsp mail list and seek for help there. maybe there will be someone interested to help in this project, don't you think?
08:59
<sbalneav>
I think it's a great project, and if it became part of the mainline linux kernel, and became part of the distro's packages, I think it would be a FANTASTIC way to get whacky things like webcams, palms, etc going on LTSP.
09:01
<vanya>
I think so too
09:02
but Takahiro Hirofuchi needs help in this project..
09:03
USB devices will be totally transparent this way..
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09:17
<vanya>
can someone join the usbip-devel@lists.sourceforge.net and explain what needs to be done in USB/IP in order to successfully work with LTSP? there IS one interested person in this
09:18
<jammcq>
scotty just took off. he's got flooding in his basement. i'm swamped, so sorry,it's not gonna happen right now
09:20
<vanya>
I don't say right now, but hope this will happen in near future ;)
09:20
I also invite that guy to ltsp mail list and channel
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09:24
<vanya>
I waked up their list a little and some interest shows there :)
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09:25
<pscheie>
morning all
09:29
<cliebow_>
petre!!!!
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10:00
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
if i install icewm in edubuntu ltsp5 will integrate same as default with gnome ?
10:01
<vagrantc>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: could you rephrase the question?
10:01
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hehe
10:01
let c
10:01
i installed edubuntu
10:02
edubuntu give inside ltsp5 integrated thats ok
10:02
but i see my clients a slow motion when someone try up firefox or work with something
10:03
so need a fast enviroment
10:03
if i install icewm
10:03
<vagrantc>
ok
10:03
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ltsp works ok like gnome by default?
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<tuwaha>
hi
10:03
<vagrantc>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: it would work, but it might not improve the speed enough.
10:04
<tuwaha>
I am having trouble in setting up the sane package on LTSP
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<vagrantc>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: and you'll also need to set icewm as the default xsession and/or window manager
10:05
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: or the user selects it each time. you should probably just try it out first and see if it significantly improves the speed
10:05
<pscheie>
hey cliebow_!!!!!
10:05
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
where i define that xsession in the ltsp?
10:05
<pscheie>
sorry about the lag, had to go take a call
10:06
<vagrantc>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: there's an option to select it at login ... i would try that before modifying configuration files and such
10:06
<cliebow_>
you probably owe me a Heineken 8~)
10:06
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ah
10:06
vagrantc: you are the manteiner of ltsp5 in debian ditro?
10:06
<vagrantc>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh: the most active one, yes :)
10:06
<pscheie>
indeed! Why don't you come out for NCLS and I'll buy you a Heineken?
10:07
<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
onlyyou?
10:07
<cliebow_>
\where is that?
10:07
<pscheie>
Minneapolis
10:07
June 14 & 15
10:07
<tuwaha>
Actually I ve written my own backend on sane
10:07
<pscheie>
jammcq and sbalneav are planning to come
10:08
I'm trying to get Gadi to come too
10:08
he says maybe if he can get a good flight
10:08
<cliebow_>
pscheie: my other job starts Memorial Day..thurs fri sat..
10:08
<pscheie>
what's your other job?
10:09
<cliebow_>
Boat captain..
10:10
<tuwaha>
ANYONE WHO HAS CONFIGURED SANE ON LTSP!!!!!
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<vagrantc>
tuwaha: be patient, and if someone knows, they'll probably tell you.
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10:23
<pscheie>
cliebow_: so, no time off for you in summer?
10:24
<cliebow_>
no three days at school three days on the boat..cant even get to NELS
10:26
<pscheie>
bummer
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<pscheie>
Gadi: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:51
<cliebow_>
Gados!!
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<Gadi>
hi, guys. I only have time to lurk atm.... and say hi. so, hi again
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12:03
<monteslu>
moquist, you ever use the smbldap stuff as a radius server?
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<monteslu>
I'm thinking of using it to provide wireless through something like chilispot or nocat for internet-only access
12:04
<cliebow_>
i played with it some trying to get our watchguard server to auth to ldap instaed of ad
12:05
never did get it to work fully
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<sbalneav>
Back
12:09
<jammcq>
wb
12:09
<cliebow_>
you guys tried out student-control-panel?
12:10
<jammcq>
didn't that get renamed to 'Thin Client Manager' ?
12:10
<cliebow_>
i checked it out of bazaar as tcm
12:10
but cant get python to load
12:10
<jammcq>
wow, look at you.... doing bzr checkouts and everything
12:10
<cliebow_>
give me a month i can do a lot
12:11
ImportError: No module named studentcontrolpanel.ltcm
12:11
perhaps i am in the wrong restroom..err repository
12:13
<monteslu>
cliebow, is watchguard similar to nocat or chilispot ?
12:13
<cliebow_>
ohhh..i see
12:13
it is an expensive firewall.dont know what to compare it to
12:14
ls -al
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<monteslu>
I'm using ipcop + dansgaurdian an squit. Working pretty well and there's a chillispot plugin, but I need to point it to a radius server
12:15
don't even know if I'd really use it, but it looks like fun :)
12:15
<cliebow_>
it has been quite a while since i played with it..but i can look at my notes
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<moquist>
monteslu: nope
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<monteslu>
hmmm... probably just a matter of hooking up freeradius to the ldap server. Maybe I'll document it or something if I ever get it to work
12:42
<moquist>
monteslu: that would be great. :)
12:42
<monteslu>
figure for places where ltsp is used, a hotpsot would be nice too
12:44
<cliebow_>
monteslu:jerry carters ldap system administraion has a farly good piece on freeradius
12:46
<monteslu>
just googled, you own a copy of the book?
12:46
<cliebow_>
yes
12:46
whats left of it
12:47
gives dog-eared a new new meaning
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<MrChicken>
Hello =)
13:53
this channel is so quiet today
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<MrChicken>
does anybody know how I can run local apps in ltsp5/
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<MrChicken>
I found some instructions at the wiki
13:55
but I'm unsure if they are ltsp 4 or ltsp 5 oriented
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<rpetre>
anyone here uses non-us keyboard layouts on terminals? i guess the fact that the X server is a new (and modular) Xorg might be the problem, but i can't really track this down
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<kfir>
hi
16:34
hello, I want to install with mandriva a 2007 servant for 5 terminals. Somebody can orient to me by where to begin please
16:45
??
16:46
sorry, here is the foro of LTSP?
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17:48
<dtrask>
anyone in here? I'm going to be travelling soon....curious as to if anyone has ever used a Nokia 770 or 800 Internet Tablet (Linux PDA)
17:48
My wife has given me the green light :-)
17:49
<neuralis>
i have the 800
17:49
any particular questions?
17:50
<dtrask>
Cool! Tell me your thoughts on it...what does it do...etc....I remember a lot of the guys at UDS Mtn. View had them....I'm looking at one for May
17:50
I want to travel lighter....my PC is a beast...very heavy
17:50
<neuralis>
this is _far_ from an adequate pc replacement
17:51
the only good use i've found for it is keeping it on the coffee table in the living room, for when i want to look something up quickly but don't want to get up and go to my computer to use my laptop
17:51
<dtrask>
Oh I know...I'm looking at it from a email, web, possible VOIP device
17:51
<neuralis>
voip works fine, the built-in camera is craptastic
17:51
web is decent
17:51
haven't tried email, but gmail works fine
17:51
<dtrask>
what does it use for internet calling? aka VOIP
17:52
<neuralis>
it ships with a google talk client
17:52
<dtrask>
I want my gmail and google calendar
17:52
<neuralis>
that'd work fine
17:52
<dtrask>
does it work with Skype? or perhaps Wengo or Gizmo?
17:52
<neuralis>
oh, another neat thing i can do with it is put it on top of my stereo, hook it up, run mpd, and then control the music playing on the stereo wirelessly
17:52
<dtrask>
:-) That's cool
17:53
<neuralis>
(an expensive version of what apple access points do already)
17:53
<dtrask>
yeah
17:53
<neuralis>
skype won't work OOB, it's not x86
17:54
gizmo apparently works
17:54
and skype is apparently working on a version for the 800
17:54
<dtrask>
my dilemma is that I have my Ubuntu PC....very heavy HP ZV5000...P4 beast with about 20 mins battery life....or my Mac...which is running OS X for school with Ubuntu in Parallels....I'd fell like I'm cheating ;-)
17:54
<neuralis>
see http://gigaom.com/2007/03/21/nokia-n800/
17:55
there are plenty of very lightweight normal subnotebooks nowadays, btw
17:55
<dtrask>
huh....says they have a Gizmo client....Gizmo is cool...not quite the firewall puncher that skype is, but close
17:56
yeah....like I said...my wife gave me the green light, but price is an issue
17:56
LOl
17:56
<neuralis>
frankly, i'd recommend a decent subnotebook and the nokia e70 as a phone
17:56
<dtrask>
which would you pick....770 or 800
17:57
any sub-notebooks in the less than $500 US range?
17:57
<neuralis>
yeah, http://laptop.org ;)
17:58
<dtrask>
hah! Good one....made me look!
17:58
got any spares I can use?
17:58
I actually played with the interface in VMWare a few weeks back....very nicely done.
17:58
<neuralis>
it has a long way to go
17:58
the stuff that's there now is in pre-alpha
17:59
re: cheaper subnotebooks, scour ebay a bit
17:59
<dtrask>
Showed it to my 4th grade students....they were pretty excited...too bad Maine isn't quite a third world country
17:59
<neuralis>
you can usually find older thinkpads for pretty cheap prices
17:59
<dtrask>
I may...thought about ebay
18:00
Know of any notebooks with enough battery life to get from JFK to Seville? LOL
18:00
besides a pocketful of batteries
18:01
Actually I'd be coming from Portland Maine, but the first leg I can do without ;-)
18:01
<neuralis>
how long is the flight?
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<dtrask>
7 hours or so
18:02
I think without looking again
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<neuralis>
there are thinkpads with external batteries that can handle that
18:02
also hps
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i think macbooks, too
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<dtrask>
You going to UDS?
18:02
in May?
18:02
<neuralis>
nope, way too busy
18:02
alas
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<dtrask>
we'll miss you
18:03
<whiprush>
an older X series thinkpad with the wedge battery and an extended battery can do 10 hours.
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<dtrask>
ooh! wedge battery....is that the one that tips it up and puts it in a better position for keyboarding?
18:04
<whiprush>
yep
18:04
<rpetre>
sorry to bother, can i drop a question about keymaps?
18:04
<dtrask>
go for it rpetre
18:04
<rpetre>
i can't make setxkbmap work on the terminal, however i try
18:04
<dtrask>
neuralis: when you say the camera is crap....you talking about video conferencing...etc?
18:05
on the 800
18:05
<rpetre>
anybody here uses multiple keymaps?
18:05
<dtrask>
rpetre: not me...sorry
18:05
<neuralis>
dtrask: low resolution, generally lots of artifacts
18:05
<rpetre>
it seems the X server on the terminal does not know about the keymap
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<dtrask>
neuralis: ahhh....does it do stills or record to memory for sharing? Just curios
18:06
curious
18:06
(sp)....hey....I'm a teacher
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<neuralis>
it probably does, i haven't tried
18:06
there's no reason why it wouldn't do stills, though
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<dtrask>
hows the wireless....pretty strong or do I have to be standing under the access point?
18:08
<rpetre>
also, ctrl-alt-f2 stopped working at some point, can't say why (i do have a shell on vt2, i checked)
18:08
<dtrask>
I would also use it for remote server management when I'm out of the school....just ssh in...use a couple of commands and "do stuff"
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<irule>
hi
18:26
hi
18:26
ping
18:26
hello!
18:29
<dtrask>
We're here...just no one's talking much...it's early
18:29
Dads not here (jammcq)
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:-)
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<cliebow>
speaking of the devil..
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<jammcq>
heh
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<cliebow>
dtrask is around here somewhere..
18:42
<dtrask>
here I am!
18:42
<cliebow>
jammcq..dtrask dtrask..jammcq
18:42
<jammcq>
hey
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hello mr trask
18:42* dtrask Is looking around for a lighter laptop or device for a "trip"
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<jammcq>
dtrask: that was a GREAT email you sent to the list, about teaching kids
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dtrask: you going on some kinda trip or something?
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<dtrask>
I was talking with neuralis earlier about a Nokia 770 or 800 like all the cool kids had at UDS Google
18:43
<jammcq>
pffff
18:44
<dtrask>
jammcq: yeah...got my email Tuesday
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jammcq: Matt too
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<jammcq>
i've played with the 770, seemed like a toy. I guess the 800 is better
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dtrask: for UES or UDS or both?
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<edgarin>
Hi!
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Hi jammcq!
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<cliebow>
edgarin1
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<dtrask>
jammcq: what do you have for a PDA....or do you? I remember you used to have a PDA/Phone didn't you?
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<jammcq>
i've got a Palm something or other. not a phone
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palm titanium
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<dtrask>
cool....just curious....looking around...so forth...thx
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<edgarin>
jammcq, Greetings from Guatemala!
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cliebow, Hi!
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<cliebow>
hi1!
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ssorry..im not much help tonight..
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<edgarin>
cliebow, how are you?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey, jammcq. Work said A-OK, so Spain is a go.
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<jammcq>
no problem with the length of time?
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<sbalneav>
Nope
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<jammcq>
heh, coolio
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<neuralis>
you globetrotters, you
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