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Channel log from 13 October 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<shawnp0wers>
yes, will do. :)
09:39
<alkisg>
ugh yeah also what ogra said
09:40
I.e. sudo ltsp-update-kernels
09:40
(ok ok I had said that, (05:26:32 μμ) alkisg: sudo ltsp-update-kernels :D)
09:40
<shawnp0wers>
I bet that would have made the file edits work too
09:40
LOL
09:42
<sbalneav>
Morning all
09:43
<alkisg>
!s
09:43
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:44
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: ogra: yes, after the ltsp-update-kernels, the client happily booted. :)
09:44
Thanks for the help
09:44
<alkisg>
Nice, thanks for the feedback
09:44
<shawnp0wers>
Now to figure out why firefox isn't working as a local app. (That one I can troubleshoot though, :)
09:47
lol, anyone have the magic to mount pts in a chroot environment?
09:48
<alkisg>
It shouldn't be needed... ignore the warning (if it's only a warning)
09:49
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: when installing ubuntu-restricted-extras, I get complaints about... well, lots of stuff
09:49
hal daemon, etc
09:49
<Gadi>
mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
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(inside the chroot)
09:50
<shawnp0wers>
Gadi: Thanks.
09:50
Didn't help, I'll do some more digging...
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<alkisg>
shawnp0wers: I don't think you should be installing ubuntu-restricted-extras in the chroot
09:53
gconfd shouldn't be installed in the chroot, and ubuntu-restricted-extras depends (indirectly) on that
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<alkisg>
...so just install the flash plugin...
09:53
<shawnp0wers>
alkisg: Yes, I agree -- I'm rebuilding the client environment, and installing the things peicemeal
09:54
alkisg: yes -- I may have to re-edit the files we discussed, but ubuntu-restricted-extras was a bad idea.
09:54
;)
09:55
The good news about today is I understand more and more about LTSP5. ;)
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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<shawnp0wers>
Howdy Jim
10:03
<jammcq>
hey shawnp0wers
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<Kicer86>
who is preparing ltsp verions for varoious distros? distribution team or ltsp team ?
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<sbalneav>
Kicer86: Well, typically, a distro interested in having LTSP integrated usually comes to us.
10:34
We give 'em a hand with getting LTSP going.
10:34
And typically, someone from that distro ends up becoming "part of" LTSP :)
10:34
<Kicer86>
mhm
10:35
i see
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<sbalneav>
That's how it's worked for Debian, Gentoo, and Fedora :)
10:35
Which distro are you interested in?
10:35
<Kicer86>
mandriva ;)
10:35
<sbalneav>
Are you a Mandriva developer?
10:36
<Kicer86>
i can't come by it ;)
10:36
actually no
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<sbalneav>
Know one?
10:36
<Kicer86>
no
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<sbalneav>
Can you get one interested? :)
10:37
Have them pop by.
10:37
Mandriva's RPM based, IIRC?
10:37
<Kicer86>
hmm actually the ltsp version for mandriva is broken but appears in repos
10:37
<sbalneav>
They may be able to build on top of the Fedora work.
10:38
<Kicer86>
yes it's rpm
10:38
yeah there is a port from fedore but it doesn't work
10:39
<sbalneav>
Who did the port work? Maybe they can just fix the bug?
10:39
<Kicer86>
i've reported a bug
10:40
i'm not quite sure, i've a mail from .spec file, and wrote mail to him, but no response
10:40
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5Status
10:40
<sbalneav>
What patches are applied in the spec file? How much are they modifying our upstream stuff?
10:40
<Kicer86>
as written there, ltsp-build-client doesn;t work
10:41
w8
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<Kicer86>
ah if i remember good, they just include an ltsp pack
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<cyberorg>
Kicer86, i got ltsp working on mandriva using opensuse's images http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP/Other_Distros
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<Kicer86>
nothing is being setup, they just do 'make' in some dirs and then they copy files in various places
10:43
<cyberorg>
but you need mandriva devs to work on getting images built using native packages
10:43
<Kicer86>
cyberorg: i'm using a debian's image ;) but i would like to have natice packages
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couse i've problems with coping with thin client's environment couse i don't know debian much
10:44
<cyberorg>
Kicer86, yeah you certainly need that if you want to do any modifications :)
10:44
<Kicer86>
exactly
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<sbalneav>
The model we've always tried to promote is having devs from the distro essentially become "part" of the LTSP project.
10:45
LTSP's build archetechture supports "plug ins" for distros
10:45
So, ideally, what you'd want is an interested Mandriva developer create Mandriva "plugins" for LTSP upstream,
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<Kicer86>
yes i know, i was trying to prapre ltsp to work in mandriva
10:46
<sbalneav>
Maintaining those upstream, and then Mandriva could just use "stock" upstream LTSP.
10:46
<Kicer86>
but too much work
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and too much lacks in knowledge ;)
10:48
<cyberorg>
Kicer86, don't worry about that, knowledge will come once you start working on it, there are a lot of helpful people here :)
10:48
it is not too much work once you understand how LTSP works, little bit of shell scripting is all that is required after that
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<Kicer86>
ok maybe i'll try to start with it once again
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;)
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<sbalneav>
jammcq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<lfaraone>
How can I have all non-logged-in LTSP clients shut off on a schedule? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutomatedTCShutodwn shuts down indescriminently, which isn't what we want.
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<johnny>
there is no official method atm
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<Gadi>
lfaraone: instead of having cron call /sbin/halt, have it call your own script that checks for a file, and if the file is present, halts the system
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then, you can simply have an ldm rc.d/ init scipt create the file
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and a start script that deletes it
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<alkisg>
Has anyone used squid for package caching? I already have it installed, so I was thinking to use it instead of apt-cacher... (also saves me from having to modify my sources.list)
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<vagrantc>
squid is too stupid to cache the files you want consistantly.
12:54
it tends to throw away the biggest files, which are the most important to keep.
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and caches Release and Packages too easily.
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: ping
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<chupacabra>
whoot!
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<jammcq>
chupacabra: hey !!!!
13:05
I saw your email about the conf in Austin
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<chupacabra>
been trying to ask you if you want to come to texas linux fist after march?
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k
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<jammcq>
I dunno yet, but it sounds like a fun time
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<chupacabra>
should be im guessing. We have a meeting tomorrow about it.
13:06
<jammcq>
hmm
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can't give you a firm yes yet
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<chupacabra>
some of the head guys were at ohio last week i think.
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<jammcq>
ah, that's a great show. didn't make it there this year, but I've been to several of them
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<chupacabra>
I knew you had
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are shows not worth the trouble anymore?
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<jammcq>
well. Since i'm not doing much (or any) development on ltsp, it's kinda hard for me to go and talk about it
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<chupacabra>
ahh
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<jammcq>
so, if I go to your event in austin, i'm not sure I'll have much to offer
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but I'd consider going, just to visit austin again
13:10
it's always good to hang out with friends and have a good steak
13:10
<chupacabra>
I have Terpestra interested in speaking
13:10
Just had a nice steak the other day and thought about our steak night.
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<jammcq>
heh
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ah, Terpstra puts on a good show
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<chupacabra>
so what you doing lately? Real job?
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<jammcq>
I know sbalneav always enjoys hearing him talk
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yeah, real job is keeping me REAL busy
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<chupacabra>
me to
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not real job, terp
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<jammcq>
with two kids in college, I gotta keep bringing in the money
13:13
<chupacabra>
yup
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: ping
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<tstafford_>
http://en.allexperts.com/q/First-Aid-995/Smashed-finger.htm
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oops wrong window
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i hate it when that happens
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<cliebow>
Gadi: that little nc line gives back connection refused..why would that be
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<davidj>
cliebow: connection refused could mean a couple of things. Either nothing's listening on the other end, or the firewall is blocking the traffic.
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<cliebow>
davidj!!
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<davidj>
Hey, Chuck. How are you?
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<Gadi>
cliebow: sorry - try adding -u
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to the nc flags
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<cliebow>
you Rock!
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seems to say open for all ports 8~0
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<cliebow>
Gadi:UDP port scans will always succeed (i.e. report the port as open), rendering the -uz combination of flags relatively useless.
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<coordinador>
i have a question
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when i go to local terminal (ctrl+alt+F1) the system asks for login and password
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<sbalneav>
That wasn't a question so much as a statement :)
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<_UsUrPeR_>
has anyone else been having problems updating chroots in 9.10 beta?
15:28
I am getting an error that dbus, hal and ltsp-client are not properly configured.
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using apt-get or aptitude
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<sbalneav>
Are you mounting proc?
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<_UsUrPeR_>
sbalneav: yes.
15:30
sbalneav: everything else updated fine. Just those 3 things.
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<sbalneav>
There's als an env variable you set (can't remember which offhand, it's in the docs, IIRC) that tells dbus and hal daemons NOT to restart
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since when you restart 'em in the chrrot, you're ACTUALLY restarting the server ones.
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<coordinador>
Hi, i cannot load the fuse module
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i have installed libfuse2 and fuse-utils packages
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(ubuntu 9.04)
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<sbalneav>
Fuse is there by default
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you don't need to load it.
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<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, didn't somebody just commit something about that?
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look at the log
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<coordinador>
when i do lsmod | grep fuse i got nothing
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and when i do modprobe fuse i got "Module fuse not found"
15:34
<johnny>
coordinador, that's cuz fuse isn't a module.. it is built in
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<coordinador>
oh i see
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<johnny>
ls /dev/fuse
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do you have it?
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<coordinador>
yes i have, but i am following instructions of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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there it says that i have to check lsmod |grep fuse
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and says: "If you don't see the above, then fuse isn't loading. Make sure the packages libfuse2 and fuse-utils are installed. "
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(i have both packages)
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<johnny>
if you have /dev/fuse .. then that step is useless
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it should probablybe changed to see /dev/fuse instead
15:36
<sbalneav>
coordinador: That page was for gutsy
15:36
Says so right at the top :)
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<coordinador>
i have /dev/fuse but my boxes doesnt recognizes the usbdrives
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oh, sbalneav , i though that the page was for ubuntu ltsp5 , sorry
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<sbalneav>
Does the stick work if you plug it into a normal Linux box?
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<coordinador>
in boxes working with ltsp4.2 works fine
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i have both systems at the same time, since i recently bought new boxes :)
15:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: news to me
15:40* _UsUrPeR_ goes to check
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<johnny>
_UsUrPeR_, you're the kind of person who should subscribe to the feed
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<coordinador>
i will reboot with another system
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<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: I'll get on that
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<coordinador>
i ll check if everything works fine in a recently installed system
15:42
ill back in a few minutes
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<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: is that a launchpad feed? I am not sure where to subscribe to.
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<johnny>
yes there is
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if you go to the code changes page
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you'll see the rss link
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<coordinador>
the usbdrives are not recognized
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<_UsUrPeR_>
johnny: thanks
15:55
johnny: still not seeing the rss feeds in the ltsp branch. Could you provide me with a link?
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woop, found it
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it's in the project, not the branch
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<johnny>
i just got it from clicking on the feed icon in firefox
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ahh. I'm subscribing via email
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<coordinador>
sorry, if i have /etc/fuse but i still havent access to usbdrives, what i should check?
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<coordinador>
when i go to local term (at f1) the system ask for login and password, i try to enter but i got "wrong password"
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in ltsp4.2 the system doesnt ask neither login nor password
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which information should i enter there if my usual login and passwords doesnt work, even root
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?
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<johnny>
you need to set the root password and rebuild the chroot
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if you want that
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OR
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in lts.conf set SCREEN_02=shell
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<vagrantc>
you'd need to set a password in the chroot, but would be better to temporarily set SCREEN_08=shell or some such, which opens a shell on tty8
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<johnny>
and look in screen 2 after rebooting
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<coordinador>
in screen1 i have a terminal, in screen2 i have x
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oh god ihave # in screen3 :O
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why?
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<coordinador>
when i plug in the usbdrive i got in localterm "[sda] assuming write cache: drive trough" but the device doesnt appear in desktop
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<coordinador>
and when i do lsusb in localterm the device appears recognized correctly
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but the icon doesn show in desktop , and doesnt show in ~/drives
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<sbalneav>
coordinador: Did you say the usb drives were NOT recognized on a standard linux box?
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i.e. not a thin client?
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<coordinador>
sbalneav, yes, it is recognized
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in normal machnes and in ltsp4.2 boxes
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<sbalneav>
ok
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What are the perms on the program fusermount, and /dev/fuse?
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<coordinador>
crw-rw-rw- 1 root fuse /dev/fuse
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i dont know how to see the fusermount perms
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<coordinador>
the perms of fusermount are: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root
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but /bin/fusermount appeared red
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<sbalneav>
Since it's a setuid program
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You built the image with the standard ltsp-build-client?
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<coordinador>
i dont remember, sorry, ill check bash history of root
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<sbalneav>
hopefully someone else will give you a hand. I'm heading home for the day.
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<coordinador>
ok sbalneav , thank you for your patience
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<sbalneav>
I'll be on later tonight. Look for me about 9:30 CST
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<coordinador>
ok
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somebody else?
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is there a manual way to mount localdrives?
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<coordinador>
Help, i am in a client, i put and local usb drive but it doesnt appear in desktop, i manually mounted a local usb drive in localterm and i have access to it
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*i put a local usb...
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<coordinador>
what can i do?
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help please
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well i have to go
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see you bye
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<jhutchins_lt>
When X starts, I see my monitor's 1440x900 resolution listed, but it's not available in krandrtray.
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<Lns>
Intel 945GC chipset - good stuff for ltsp?
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<pacifica>
Hi there.... I'm having some difficulties with LTSP / USB sticks - anyone here who knows a bit about that?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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pacifica: What trouble are you having?
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<pacifica>
G'day :-)
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Glad to see someone here - its been a bit lonely today...
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Following the suggestions on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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the response to: ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.213.11 192.168.213.11 "/usr/sbin/ltspfsmounter /tmp add"
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is: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyCannot open X display.
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I'm running three Ubuntu servers with LTSP.... all work well except one which seems to got itself confused with
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MIT cookies....
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, looks like the display doesn't have permission.
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<pacifica>
Correct.
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By why... and more importantly ... how to fix that...
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the strange thing is ... the workstations can be used normally... ie applications on the server can display on the workstations just fine
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but the workstation doesn't have to seem the rights to display something on its own display?
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at least that's how I'm reading it...
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<sbalneav>
What's the display variable set to?
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<pacifica>
Its not set (on the LTSP terminal)
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<sbalneav>
No, normally, within your session.
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<pacifica>
The right workstation ie. 192.168.213.198:0 in this case
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applications run on the server can display on the LTSP terminal... so DISPLAY is set correctly...
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<sbalneav>
what happens if you do (from the ws):
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ssh -X -S /var/run/ldm_socket_vt7_192.168.213.11 192.168.213.11 "echo $DISPLAY"
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<pacifica>
ok pls standby
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Empty
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Please note this is also the case on the server where everything is working as it should....
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ie. DISPLAY not set if you ask from the WS
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<alkisg>
Doesn't also XAUTHORITY need to be set to the proper value?
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<sbalneav>
Well, the problem is the remote end, not the local end.
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What's your lts.conf look like. Oh, and by the way, what version of LTSP are you running, on which ubuntu?
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<pacifica>
Ubuntu 8.04 LTS
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I think thats LTSP 5?
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<sbalneav>
Yes. Have you applied all updates in the server, as well as the chroot?
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<pacifica>
lts.conf specifies LOCALDEV=true
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Yes, all updates applied both on server as well as in chroot
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Also rebuild the image, updated the ssh keys...
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<sbalneav>
Only localdev=true? no ldm_directx=true?
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<pacifica>
let me see...
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Ok....
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ldm_directx=true on the server that doesn't work and is not there (so assume its false?) on the server that works
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<sbalneav>
ok, so what if you take away the ldm_directx on the server that doesnt work?
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<pacifica>
Does ldm_directx=true stop local devices from working?
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<sbalneav>
No
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<pacifica>
I'll try that... the server is on the other side of the planet so I'll have to wait until my buddy wakes up there...
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<rjune>
sbalneav!
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isn't it bedtime yet bud?
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<pacifica>
thanks a lot for your help so far sbalneav - much appreciated.... (would you have other suggestions if ldm_directx doesn't fix it?)
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<sbalneav>
More debugging would be required.
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rjune: only 11:05 PM here.
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Not yet.
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ok thanks again - will report back here once I know if removing ldm_directx remedies the issue...
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