IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 April 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<alkisg>
A gigabit NIC also helps sometimes
00:07
<ball>
64 Megabytes?
00:07
<alkisg>
Yes
00:07
That's the bare minimum for ltsp clients
00:08
(ubuntu and debian at least, I think opensuse need 128)
00:10
<ball>
That I could do, even if I used one of the mITX boards I have laying around, they have 1 Gbyte RAM
00:11
...and I'm tempted to just buy an Asus EeeBox or something
00:13
Looks like US$ 200 to 300 for the terminal and another $120 for a monitor
00:13
...that would about do it.
00:18
Mrs. ball thinks that our child process needs a computer in the living room. I'm okay with that provided I can use it when she's not.
00:19
...and I've made an executive decision that it's going to run Linux
00:19
(or run something that gives her access to a Linux desktop that's running elsewhere in the house)
00:20
A basic nettop could run Linux locally, but that's yet another machine to manage.
00:21
<alkisg>
I imagine for a kid you'll need some localapps though
00:21
So you'll be maintaining a chroot for it...
00:21
(or a fat chroot instead of localapps)
00:21
<ball>
Are video and Flash not practical without localapps?
00:22
<alkisg>
E.g. youtube is OK, but not fullscreen
00:22
For full screen youtube videos you need localapps
00:23
Also some games or edu apps require 3D ==> again localapps/fat
00:33
<ball>
Is that because ltsp doesn't support AIGLX?
00:33
...or just lack of horsepower in the nettop?
00:34
<alkisg>
Because glx is slow over the network :)
00:34
<ball>
Okay. I doubt she'll be doing much (any?) 3D stuff anyway.
00:35
I'll have to drill some holes in the wall for gigabit Ethernet
00:36
<alkisg>
Gigabit for a single client will only help a bit
00:36
You might want to try it with 100mbps before doing holes
00:37
<ball>
alkisg: I'd have to drill holes for 100M too.
00:37
<alkisg>
Ah, ok then :)
00:38
<ball>
I'll have to buy a reel of plenum-rated Cat 5e.
00:38
...and some jacks.
00:39
alkisg: Thanks for your help.
00:39
<alkisg>
np
00:41
<ball>
It's 02:42 here, so I'm off to bed.
00:41
I'll probably be back later today.
00:42
<alkisg>
Good night
00:44
<ball>
Thanks, you too.
00:44ball (~ball@c-98-226-194-183.hsd1.il.comcast.net) left irc: Quit: bye
00:47fosser_josh (~prathames@59.95.33.65) joined #ltsp.
00:49spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
00:50
<fosser_josh>
i just visited this website http://www.edubuntu.org/weblive and tried ubuntu thanks to stgraber. I wanted to how to setup these thing in LAN. As i wanted to setup in my college LAN so that other people who all are not using ubuntu will try it and hopefully will shift to GNU/Linux
01:04
<alkisg>
fosser_josh: you want to setup edubuntu weblive? Or just plain edubuntu, and give people access to it over LAN?
01:05
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: i want to setup like weblive so that people can log in and access desktop and try it
01:05
<Appiah>
so you want your own weblive server
01:06
<alkisg>
On LAN, you also have other options, like nx and LTSP, that's why I'm asking
01:06
<Appiah>
well I for one never heard of weblive until now
01:06* Appiah reads up
01:06
<alkisg>
Also, for edubuntu-specific questions that have nothing to do with LTSP, the appropriate channel is #edubuntu... :)
01:06dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) joined #ltsp.
01:11
<fosser_josh>
its nt edubuntu specific. see my main motto is to setup ubuntu on one server and those who are in lan can get access irrespective of which platform they are using. they can access in web browser like the one on shared link.
01:12
alkisg: i also asked same question on ubuntu irc but no reply
01:13
<alkisg>
fosser_josh: I said #edubuntu, not #ubuntu
01:13
Also, it has nothing to do with LTSP. It's a web service.
01:13
Join #edubuntu and ask there.
01:13
You can also continue asking here about the equivalent LTSP solution
01:14
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: can i do same with ltsp
01:14
<alkisg>
Yes, you can give remote desktops with LTSP
01:14
And they're also faster than the java/nx solution of edubuntu weblive
01:15
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: what is server hardware requriement for that
01:15
<alkisg>
It depends on what you want, all 3 solutions (LTSP, plain nx, nx with java) give about the same result, with some differences
01:15
How many clients simultaneously?
01:17
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: see my main motto is ppl can try GNU/Linux distro without installing on their exsting system. so that they can decided weather to install that distro or not on their system. coz i think this is better option than live cd
01:17
<alkisg>
fosser_josh: yes, I understand. All 3 solutions do that.
01:17
Now if you want look at the details, to see which fits you better.
01:18
E.g. LTSP or plain nx will give people the ability to save their settings and have their documents there
01:18
While weblive erases their data after logoff
01:18
LTSP will need clients to boot over the network. That requires at least 100 mbps lan
01:18
NX will need a program installation, e.g. inside windows
01:18
weblive will need java installation, if it doesn't exist already
01:19
Read about them, see what suits you better, and then go on and implement it
01:19
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: first tell me what is h/w requriemnt
01:19
<alkisg>
But for weblive the correct channel to ask is, again #edubuntu
01:19
I already answered that one.
01:19
<fosser_josh>
k
01:19
<alkisg>
(11:15:31 AM) alkisg: How many clients simultaneously?
01:19
And you can also find the answer in the ltsp docs
01:20
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: max 8-10 clients
01:20
<alkisg>
Any modern pc will do. E.g. a core 2 duo with 2 gb ram
01:20
Gigabit on the server preferred, for best results
01:21
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: and wat about hdd is there any specific need
01:21
<alkisg>
No
01:22
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: so only in weblive i can test distro on running system?
01:22
<alkisg>
No
01:22
You can do that with plain nx too
01:22ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #ltsp.
01:22
<alkisg>
I.e. download the freeware nx client for windows, from the nomachine site
01:23
weblive is based on nx too, but uses a java client instead of an .exe client
01:24
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: so which one is better weblive or nx
01:24
<alkisg>
This is not LTSP related, this is not a question for this channel.
01:24
Both are about the same though, as both use nx
01:25
The question is if you want people to install java or run an .exe,
01:25
and if you want them to be able to save their settings or not
01:26
<fosser_josh>
install java and it jst testing so no data saving and settings and all, jst for testing purpose
01:26
<alkisg>
Then weblive suits you better. Ask the rest in #edubuntu.
01:26
<fosser_josh>
alkisg: k thank you so much
01:26
<alkisg>
You're welcome
01:45dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
02:12dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) joined #ltsp.
02:15LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) left irc: Quit: Love is real, real is love...love is feeling to be loved
02:16LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) joined #ltsp.
02:34alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
02:42fosser_josh (~prathames@59.95.33.65) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
02:58fosser_josh1 (~prathames@59.95.24.164) joined #ltsp.
03:14ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Excess Flood
03:15ogra_ (~ogra@80.152.237.3) joined #ltsp.
03:28alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
03:40dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
03:40alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
03:45khussein78 (~khussein7@188.225.130.143) joined #ltsp.
03:45
<khussein78>
is GNOME package needed to run ltsp on ubuntu server ?
04:10
<knipwim>
not on gentoo
04:10
you could check the ubuntu dependencies on the ltsp package page
04:11
<NeonLicht>
Not in Debian either. It'd be silly if it was, don't you think?
04:18artista_frustrad (~artista_f@189.75.201.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
04:27
<khussein78>
i can start ltsp client but after enter username and password it goes to shell not GUI
04:30artista_frustrad (~artista_f@189.75.201.155) joined #ltsp.
04:39spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) joined #ltsp.
04:39
<khussein78>
also i see this in syslog (in.tftpd[19779]: tftp: client does not accept options) ?
04:39artista_frustrad (~artista_f@189.75.201.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
04:45fosser_josh1 (prathames@59.95.24.164) left #ltsp.
04:45cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
04:46cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) joined #ltsp.
04:53artista_frustrad (~artista_f@189.75.201.155) joined #ltsp.
05:01ogra_ (~ogra@80.152.237.3) left irc: Excess Flood
05:02ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #ltsp.
05:37alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
05:39
<alkisg>
khussein78: no, gnome isn't needed, but you do need a desktop environment on the server. Ignore the warning about "client does not accept options".
05:53
<khussein78>
alkisg, so i need to install ubuntu-desktop right ?
06:19khussein78 (~khussein7@188.225.130.143) left irc: Quit: Leaving
06:20herman (~herman@p5790A9DB.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #ltsp.
06:22herman (~herman@p5790A9DB.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Client Quit
06:32ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Excess Flood
06:32ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #ltsp.
06:55spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
07:00spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) joined #ltsp.
07:12fosser_josh (~prathames@59.95.38.192) joined #ltsp.
08:06fosser_josh (~prathames@59.95.38.192) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
08:07dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) joined #ltsp.
08:15ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Excess Flood
08:16ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #ltsp.
08:23fosser_josh (~prathames@59.95.27.125) joined #ltsp.
08:25artista_frustrad (~artista_f@189.75.201.155) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
08:42Ahmuck (~quietly@p178n22.ruraltel.net) joined #ltsp.
09:01fosser_josh (prathames@59.95.27.125) left #ltsp.
09:43LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) left irc: Quit: Love is real, real is love...love is feeling to be loved
09:45LoveStorm (Sc4nn3r@217.18.70.231) joined #ltsp.
09:57mistik1_ (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) joined #ltsp.
10:00mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
10:00Nick change: mistik1_ -> mistik1
10:03vagrantc (~vagrant@c-24-21-191-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net) joined #ltsp.
10:09alexqwesa (~alex@alexo-veto.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
10:12alexqwesa (~alex@alexo-veto.broker.freenet6.net) joined #ltsp.
10:37
<alkisg>
vagrantc: there's an LTSP-specific patch in gnome-screensaver in lucid (don't know who put it there, maybe ogra). It checks if LTSP_CLIENT is present, and if so, it only allows the "blank" screensaver.
10:53
<vagrantc>
alkisg: yeah, but i needed to disable locking too
10:53
<alkisg>
Ah, ok.
10:54
<vagrantc>
some passwordless guest accounts ... doesn't work too well when the screen locks
10:54
<alkisg>
I think it autodetects passwordsless accounts and refuses to lock there
10:54
<vagrantc>
didn't work for me
10:55
<stgraber>
alkisg: I can confirm it doesn't check for passwordless account. With ltsp-cluster our guest accounts don't have password, instead we use ssh public key auth and I could lock the screen without any issue (and obviously, never unlock it ...)
10:57zamba (marius@flage.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
10:57
<alkisg>
Hmm can't remember exactly what I saw, but it was something related to that, I saw it on fat clients where the users don't have a password on /etc/shadow...
10:57bobby_C (~bobby@85.124.22.227) joined #ltsp.
10:58zamba (marius@flage.org) joined #ltsp.
10:58
<alkisg>
One thing I do remember was that it didn't ask for password for some policykit related stuff
10:59elias_a (elias@hilla.kapsi.fi) joined #ltsp.
11:30dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
11:32Gremble (~Ben@cpc12-aztw24-2-0-cust146.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) joined #ltsp.
11:44alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
11:53chupacabra (~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-10-45.austin.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
12:15Gremble (~Ben@cpc12-aztw24-2-0-cust146.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com) left irc: Quit: I Leave
12:16chupacabra (~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-10-45.austin.res.rr.com) joined #ltsp.
12:36cliebow (~cliebow@66.63.66.218) joined #ltsp.
12:37cliebow (~cliebow@66.63.66.218) left irc: Client Quit
13:26alkisg_android (~yaaic@athedsl-157368.home.otenet.gr) joined #ltsp.
13:40alkisg_android (~yaaic@athedsl-157368.home.otenet.gr) left irc: Ping timeout: 248 seconds
14:33chrisklinger (~ck1@189-87-246-140.poolip.FLA.embratel.net.br) joined #ltsp.
14:38bobby_C (~bobby@85.124.22.227) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
14:41dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) joined #ltsp.
14:44dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
15:33ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
16:15vagrantc (~vagrant@c-24-21-191-93.hsd1.or.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
17:43chrisklinger (~ck1@189-87-246-140.poolip.FLA.embratel.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
17:44brunolambert (~brunolamb@gw-dcmtl.rlnx.com) joined #ltsp.
17:44chrisklinger (~ck1@189-87-246-140.poolip.FLA.embratel.net.br) joined #ltsp.
18:41adrianorg (~adrianorg@186.213.159.236) joined #ltsp.
18:42MorningSon (~MorningSo@cpe-66-25-84-220.satx.res.rr.com) joined #ltsp.
19:03brunolambert (brunolamb@gw-dcmtl.rlnx.com) left #ltsp.
20:15adrianorg (~adrianorg@186.213.159.236) left irc: Quit: Fui embora
21:05cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
21:06cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) joined #ltsp.
21:26chrisklinger (~ck1@189-87-246-140.poolip.FLA.embratel.net.br) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
21:39patrickmw (~pwright@71-223-80-153.phnx.qwest.net) joined #ltsp.
22:09viks (ca8a7259@gateway/web/freenode/ip.202.138.114.89) joined #ltsp.
22:10
<viks>
how to boot client with ltsp and local hardisk detection
22:18MorningSon (~MorningSo@cpe-66-25-84-220.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Quit: WeeChat 0.3.0
22:29shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
22:32dyllan (~dyllan@unaffiliated/kingmilo) joined #ltsp.
22:32
<dyllan>
hi all
22:33
I am having a problem with one of my thin clients, getting the ldm screen to show up, it PXE boots but then the screen stays blank. I am using this piece of hardware: http://www.devonit.com/_wp//wp-content/uploads/2010/10/TC5D-Dell.pdf
22:34
The only main difference between the thin client hardware that works and the one copied above that does not work is that non-working one had 2x DVI ports, do you think ltsp is getting confused about the dual DVI ports and therefore not able to bring up the ldm?
22:35
The thin client hardware that IS working: http://www.devonit.com/_wp//wp-content/uploads/2010/07/DIT_TC5Xc_SSheet-email.pdf
22:36
As you will see they both have the same Atom processor, memory and Graphics card.
22:45shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5) joined #ltsp.
22:50alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
23:15alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
23:23alkisg1 (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
23:26cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
23:31dlezcano (~dlezcano@ip-189.arrakis.es) joined #ltsp.
23:32cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) joined #ltsp.
23:36alkisg1 (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
23:37alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
23:44dyllan (~dyllan@unaffiliated/kingmilo) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
00:00--- Mon Apr 25 2011