IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 January 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<cliebow_>
ccherrett:we were just talking about the functions of firstclass and how your project might apply..
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<ccherrett>
cliebow_: if you have any questions feel free to contact me
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<cliebow_>
ccherrett:cool
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<MRH2>
hi anyone know if there a nvidia driver that works with update3/4 available somewhere?
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<slipttees>
hello
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<dougb>
i was just running edubuntu dapper, and i had two thin clients running, and if i was to load any open office application, it'd load on the other thin client. does anyone know why it would do this?
16:52
<slipttees>
necessary to speak with somebody regarding ltsp5 integrated in ubuntu
16:52
<vagrantc>
dougb: using LDM for login ?
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slipttees: ask your question, and if someone can answer, they will.
16:53
<slipttees>
why this version, is you the bad one?
16:54
tenho 3 monitores que funciona 100% com o ltsp4.2 mas esse ltsp5 n?o dar!
16:54
I have 3 monitors that it functions 100% with ltsp4.2 but this ltsp5 not to give!
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<vagrantc>
ah.
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slipttees: they don't work at all?
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<slipttees>
you to swallow lts.conf! : ( thus it is makes it difficult to the
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pattern! : (
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<vagrantc>
dougb: that's certainly a bizarre problem. the only thing i could think of that would do that is that you somehow have your $DISPLAY environment variables improperly set...
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slipttees: you used the same lts.conf ?
16:58
<slipttees>
my monitors suport only 800x600!
16:58
<vagrantc>
slipttees: ltsp5 and ltsp4.2 have some differences in lts.conf, and you shouldn't use the same one.
16:59
<slipttees>
o give pra to manually justify the frequency of the monitors in ltsp.conf, that you they had taken off!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: what did you set?
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<dougb>
it was using the GDM for the login
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<slipttees>
only monitors frequency 800x600
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<dougb>
it isn't a huge problem, and it is open-office specific, so i might just get abiwork and the "gnome office suite" to use
17:00
<vagrantc>
slipttees: i need to know what you put in your lts.conf to help you.
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slipttees: did you modify X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH ?
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<slipttees>
vagrantc, swim, you had taken off it!
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<vagrantc>
dougb: all other applications open normally? that's bizzarre.
17:01
<slipttees>
lts.conf does not exist!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: that's normal.
17:02
<slipttees>
NO
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: you only need it if you need to change something.
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for ltsp5 in ubuntu
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<slipttees>
why ltsp4.2 set up defaults
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: and it sounds like you need to change something.
17:03
<slipttees>
i have too problems with the sound!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: probably best to fix one problem at a time
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<slipttees>
=
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=/
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I am on
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;)
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<dougb>
yeah vagrantc, it's crazy. i was using dapper, maybe i'll try out edgy and see what happens. i want to get something up and going for a proposal to move to linux using LTSP, and edubuntu seems the most logical since it will be implimented in a learning environment
17:07
<slipttees>
simply, when I enter in the screen of login, I do not see absolutely nothing! it is seeming a blind person! after login, the resolution comes back pra "normal" 800x600
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: is the login screen 800x600 when you login, or just after it fails to log in?
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<slipttees>
after login
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: so you never are able to login?
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<slipttees>
eu fa?o o login, sem ver! ehehe
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I make login, without seeing! ehehe
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;)
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why this ltsp all automatico ?
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why this ltsp all automatic ?
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: which version of ubuntu are you using?
17:13
<slipttees>
ubuntu 6.10 edgy eft
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to only complicate the life of the users! : (
17:13
still I prefer in the mode ltspadmin!
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I find that all automatico leaves the staff who is "configuring" ltsp if to know of nothing... simply any staff without having knowledge can assemble a network ltsp! : (
17:17
<vagrantc>
slipttees: there are plans to make tools similar to ltspadmin for ltsp5... but they are not yet done.
17:17
<slipttees>
what it was to be easy was desktop of linux!
17:17
<vagrantc>
slipttees: ltsp5 is still very new...
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<slipttees>
humm interesting!
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<vagrantc>
there are still some things to work out, but ltsp5 will have many advantages in the long term.
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<slipttees>
I find that it would be better to come back toward old metodo of pattern being used ltspadmin! e to take off this mode automatico and to come back the archives of pattern as it was in the other versions!
17:22
<vagrantc>
the automatic stuff works for a lot of people.
17:22
<slipttees>
sorry i am using program for translation pt-br for english!
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<vagrantc>
and the ltspadmin like stuff will be added latr.
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later
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<slipttees>
then two metods ;)
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<vagrantc>
i think it will happen.
17:23
slipttees: it will improve with more time.
17:23
<cliebow_>
slippttees:you Can create an lts.conf where you can make changes for each machine
17:23* vagrantc thought that was explained, but it's probably worth repeating
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<slipttees>
where this MAC address or IP to place there? , if is all automatic! :(
17:25
<vagrantc>
slipttees: it is only automatic if nothing is defined in lts.conf
17:25
<slipttees>
wont necessary add Mac Address in the dhcp.conf!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: i would create an lts.conf and use the Mac Address there.
17:26
<slipttees>
I prefer manual, this automatico mode complicate!
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:(
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: it's just as manual.
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slipttees: in fact, without ltspadmin, it's even *more* manual. :)
17:28
slipttees: but you can still set up the Mac Address in DHCP, and then specify the ip or hostname in lts.conf.
17:28
<slipttees>
ltspconf created files, now :(
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<vagrantc>
but i think that is more complicated than just editing lts.conf to use the Mac Address.
17:28
<slipttees>
where I see the MAC address, if it does not have as to see!
17:29
<vagrantc>
slipttees: are you using ltspadmin on a machine with ltsp-server installed? that will very likely break things.
17:29
<slipttees>
nope
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<vagrantc>
what is ltspconf ?
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<jammcq>
anybody seen sbalneav ?
17:30
<vagrantc>
jammcq: good one :P
17:30
<jammcq>
heh
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: we all miss sbalneav.
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someday, legal aid will let him play with us again.
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<jammcq>
i'm calling him now. we need to get a paper submitted for FISL-8, and today is the deadline
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voicemail :(
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<slipttees>
vagrantc, ltspconf is for creating the archives of configura??o(dhcp.conf, lts.conf, host, conf, host.allow, etc..) of the old versions of ltsp
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configuration*
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: you're not trying to use ltspconf to configure ltsp5?
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<slipttees>
doesn't exists
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<vagrantc>
ok.
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<slipttees>
only ltspserver-build-client
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opss
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: so, you can get mac addresses from dhcp's log files, or log on to the terminal.
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<slipttees>
ltsp-build-client
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tail -f /var/log/syslog ?
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: and then put lines like [00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD] in lts.conf, followed by any configuration options you want to set.
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slipttees: yes, they should be in there.
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<slipttees>
you they had not changed the parameters of lts.conf
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??
17:35
<vagrantc>
slipttees: could you say that a little differently?
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<slipttees>
much thing! why in wiki of ltsp, it does not speak but on these patterns of ltsp5... it has people that you the similar one to use for test!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: you can put lines like this:
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[00:60:1D:F0:A3:FD]
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X_HORZSYNC=28-40
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X_VERTREFRESH=43-60
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<slipttees>
monitors 14' and 15' pol
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: to see all the supported parameters for ubuntu, look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client/examples/lts-parameters.txt
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<slipttees>
like this?
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[192.168.11.3]
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XSERVER = vesa # --> Placa de v?deo
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X_MODE_0 = 800x600 # --> Resolu??o de v?deo
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X_MODE_1 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
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X_VERTREFRESH = 60 #(Refresh rate)
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X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16 # --> Cor usada pelo o monitor
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USE_NBD_SWAP = Y # --> Usar swap via rede
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XkbModel = abnt2
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XkbLayout = br
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sorry flood guys!
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<vagrantc>
that should work, though i would use the Mac Address instead of ip, so you don't have to edit dhcp.conf
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slipttees: actually, i think the X_MODE_1 doesn't work like that.
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<slipttees>
then Mac!
17:41
<vagrantc>
slipttees: for ltsp5
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<slipttees>
:(
17:42
my monitors is very old!
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: and USE_NBD_SWAP is now NBD_SWAP
17:42
slipttees: what part of brazil are you from?
17:43
<slipttees>
yep
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: i know a few people who work on ltsp from brazil.
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<slipttees>
:)
17:43
how ?
17:44
<cliebow_>
who?
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<vagrantc>
well, i went to the debian conference and FISL in porto allegre in 2004
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<slipttees>
:)
17:45
i am ceara
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<vagrantc>
cliebow_: a few debian folks ... otavio, stratus and tiagovaz
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<slipttees>
I do not know, I work for the CDI
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<vagrantc>
pt_BR was the first non-english language supported by debian's ltsp :)
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<slipttees>
www.cdi.org.br
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<vagrantc>
and another people works for the telecentre project in sau paulo
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<slipttees>
:)
17:47
CDI works all in the Brazil
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you know Fortaleza?
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<vagrantc>
slipttees: CDI sounds very cool!
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<slipttees>
:)
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<cliebow_>
i was just translating 8~)
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<slipttees>
:)
17:49* vagrantc clicked on the "English" link. :)
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<cliebow_>
;
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<slipttees>
look this ;)
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http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5628/ltspgq5.jpg
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;)
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammc!
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<jammcq>
how u doin?
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<sbalneav>
q
19:10
Tired, but surviving :)
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<jammcq>
heh
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<sbalneav>
So! I'm thinking something along the lines of "Challenges of remote device support in a thin client enviornment", and talking about sound, localdev, etc.
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<jammcq>
cool
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: hi!!!
19:11
<sbalneav>
Hey vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: will legal aide manitoba let you play with us ever again? :)
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<sbalneav>
vagrantc: heh, the last 3 weeks were heck on wheels. I'm beginning to get my head above water now.
19:14
Go-live, while not a staggering success, was, with a lot of work by me and my co-worker, not an abject failure.
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<vagrantc>
sbalneav: due to bugs in my initial implementation of ltspfs in debian (which is now in debian/unstable, by the way) i realized that you can use ltspfs to export mounted filesystems, too.
19:20
sbalneav: and i have this camera that requires gphotofs (another fuse-based filesystem), and was wondering how to get it working with ltspfs...
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i think there are a fair number of cameras that work that way...
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<sbalneav>
Hmmm, gphotofs
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That's fuse-based, if I'm correct, yes?
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<vagrantc>
yeah, hence the fuse-based mention in my comments :)
19:27
the way ltspfsd exports devices without mouting them sort of blows my mind...
19:27
er, exports filesystems without mounting them ...
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<sbalneav>
Wel, fuse file systems stack easy, so, what we'd need is some udev magic to mount the gphotofs filesystem fiirst.
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<vagrantc>
yeah, that's what i figured we needed to do somehow...
19:55
<cliebow_>
sbalneav:I would Really like to hear your talk..can you have it taped?
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<jammcq>
cliebow_: I think the talks will all be taped
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<cliebow_>
jammcq:lemme know how to access them..when the time comes?
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<jammcq>
sure
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<cliebow_>
8~)
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<rjune>
sbalneav: where you at?
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or rather, what talks are going to be taped?
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<cliebow_>
jammcq saya all will be taped
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<jammcq>
I think they will be
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i'm pretty sure they were taped last year
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<moquist>
Can anybody in here give me a leg up in writing a .deb postinst script for edubuntu-auth-server? It's not obvious to me how the postinst.ex file that dh_make gives me is related to the package.postinst file that ends up in a debian source package.
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<vagrantc>
moquist: it becomes the package.postinst
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moquist: the DEBHELPER bits get replaced with debhelper stuff if left there.
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<moquist>
vagrantc: OK, that was one of my guesses. I guess I just picked a poor example source package, then, because ltsp-client-builder.postinst doesn't have the case statement that is almost the entire content of postinst.ex, so I wasn't sure what was going on...
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vagrantc: Hmm. OK.
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<vagrantc>
moquist: ltsp-client-builder is actually a .udeb, so it's a little different than your typical .deb
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<moquist>
So I should just use the /usr/share/debconf/confmodule stuff to ask what I need to, munge what I need to, and modify config files as necessary.
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vagrantc: Oh. OK.
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<vagrantc>
moquist: most questions should be asked in the .config script
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moquist: postinst should just query the debconf database to get the answers.
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<moquist>
vagrantc: and thanks for taking pity on a poor packaging newbie. :)
21:33* moquist nods
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<vagrantc>
that way, it's easier to pre-ask questions before the time-intensive parts of package installation even happen.
21:34* moquist nods
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<vagrantc>
and, while you can just have debian/postinst for a single-binary(.deb) source package, i still prefer debian/packagename.postinst just to keep things clear. most, if not all tools should be able to handle that.
21:35
and it also means less work if you suddenly realize you want two packages.
21:36
moquist: i'm a big fan of skillsharing :)
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<moquist>
libpam-ldap has a config script, so I'm checking that out.
21:38
vagrantc: on the phone with Dad ATM...
21:38* vagrantc probably has to go to sleep early... starting a new job tomorrow.
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<moquist>
vagrantc: !! congrats!
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<vagrantc>
heh. it may mean less time for ltsp, though :(
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<jammcq>
new job?
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<vagrantc>
though it's only part time, that time is very keyboard-intensive... *sigh*
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<moquist>
vagrantc: good luck, then.
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: yeah. i've dragged my feet long enough. but the whole eating and roof thing is starting to put the pressure on... :)
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<krinns_>
gdm[4767]: (child 5398) gdm_slave_alrm_handler: ws130.ltsp:0 got ARLM signal, to ping display
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any idea what this error mean
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