IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 19 June 2015   (all times are UTC)

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12:08
<gp>
does anyone have any recommendations for an IDE that works well with LTSP? I am using Ubuntu14.04/Mate-Desktop. I've been trying Liclipse which is a version of eclipse that comes configured for python/html/javascript coding... but the performance with eclipse is terrible. Hoping I can find something with a similar feature set that performs better in this enviornment
12:10
<muppis>
gp, I think performance issue more related do you run it as local or remote app. Tried run it as local?
12:11
<gp>
I am even having problems on fat clients. Maybe it is an issue with networked filesystem?
12:12
<muppis>
That's one possibility.
12:13
If you can, drop fat client to local hdd and try there. Then you can rule out is it network related.
12:14
<gp>
Do you mean that there is an option to have the fat client copy the image to a local hard drive?
12:14
Or do you mean use a local os to test the program?
12:15
<muppis>
I mean fat client loaded from local hdd. That has to bee done manually, because there's few trick to do to make fully boot from local.
12:16
I think more easier to make local os use nfs mounted homes. :D
12:17
Enabled direct X?
12:17
Less secure, but lot faster.
12:17
And reduces network traffic which can help as well.
12:17
<gp>
I could try direct X if that will tell me something. But I do not think that can be the solution because of what it gives up
12:18
<muppis>
You can get a clue about solutions at least.
12:18
<gp>
good point. i will try that first
12:19
If that helps, does that mean to keep the option enabled I would need to have more cpu/memory on the fat client?
12:21
<muppis>
Not really. Direct X should be easier to client, because doesn't need to do encryption/decyrption anymore.
12:23
<gp>
Right. I mean if I want to keep it enabled. If disabling it helps, then to keep it enabled I would need more cpu/ram on the client?
12:28
<muppis>
Lost in sentense. :D If you enable direct X, it doesn't use encryption and transfer display data as is, so it screen update is faster and uses less cpu and network.
12:32
<work_alkisg>
gp, what's your client CPU/RAM?
12:32work_alkisg is now known as alkisg
12:32
<alkisg>
Also, do you have a full gigabit network?
12:32
<gp>
yes full gigabit.
12:33
<alkisg>
CPU/RAM?
12:34
<gp>
I haven't tested this on lots yet. But the one is an http://ark.intel.com/products/33924/Intel-Core2-Quad-Processor-Q9550-12M-Cache-2_83-GHz-1333-MHz-FSB with 4gb ram
12:35
<alkisg>
And is that a fat client or thin?
12:35
<gp>
Fat
12:35
I've watched with process manager and the client hasn't run out of ram
12:35
<alkisg>
Then it should run as good as if you had liclipse installed in a local hard disk
12:36
Maybe there's no problem at all with ltsp and it's just that that program is slow?
12:36
<gp>
Thats what I thought. So I think I need to find another IDE
12:36
<alkisg>
It's not an ltsp question then, though...
12:36
People here would tell you about fixing ltsp, while you need another app
12:36
So better ask in #ubuntu etc
12:36
And no need to mention ltsp at all when you're asking there..
12:37
<gp>
Well I was asking for recommendations for an IDE that people have used successfully with LTSP
12:37
<alkisg>
I understand that you think that it's related, but it's not "related enough" to get good answers here
12:38
I could also ask here about "good keyboards that people have used with ltsp", but it's also not related
12:38
<gp>
I understand.
12:38
<alkisg>
I.e. I think you'll get better answers if you ask to appropriate channels
12:40
<gp>
But I would tell you I like the logitech wireless keyboards with the little solar panel so you don't have to walk around and change batteries. =)
12:40
<muppis>
4~ nbnnhttp://kuvaton.com/kuvei/when_mom_tries_to_wake_me_up_early_in_the_weekend.gifµ
12:40
<alkisg>
Ouch that had to hurt :)
12:41
<gp>
oh ouch
12:41
<alkisg>
gp, I'm sure that even if I asked about "running shoes" here I'd also get some good answers, but there's a reason that different channels exist and we're not all in a single "#chat-about-anything" channel :)
12:42
<gp>
sorry I was just being funny
12:42
<alkisg>
:)
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13:04
<muppis>
Uups. Didn't meant to paste it here. Putty tricked me again.
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19:30
<johndoc>
is this an active channel?
19:30
<quinox>
kind of
19:30
<johndoc>
great, i could really use some guidance
19:31
I built an ltsp server in KVM and when I load up my thin client i get "Error: Socket Failed: Connection timed out" and drops me into busybox
19:32
I was following this guide if that helps any: http://www.havetheknowhow.com/Configure-the-server/Install-LTSP.html
19:32
<quinox>
let me check my problem solving manual
19:33
<johndoc>
it worked (mostly) on a regular server, but not much luck in KVM
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19:33
<quinox>
In case you get BusyBox when booting something went wrong. Ways to debug:
19:33
On duivenkracht: tail -f /var/log/syslog | grep nbd while booting will tell you information about the client mounting the fs
19:33
On thin client: nbd-client 10.50.0.8 2000 /dev/nbd0 will mount the image manually
19:33
duivenkracht = the main LTSP (TFTP/NBD/NFS) server
19:34
10.50.0.8 2000 -> duivenkracht's IP and NBD's port number
19:34
although I recently switched from NBD ports to NBD names, so that last command should be updated
19:35
I'd start with the last command
19:36
manually mounting the FS from busybox
19:47
with a mount name it should be in my case: nbd-client --name /opt/ltsp/amd64 10.50.0.8 /dev/nbd0
19:48
I'm not entirely sure about this, but AFAIK the /opt/ltsp/ is used by default and the amd64 is derived from ... your tftp folder name maybe?
19:49
I do know it can be overwritten by adding nbdroot= to the kernel parameters inside the pxelinux.cfg/default file on the TFTP
19:54
by default it uses the IP of the machine that provided the TFTP btw
20:06
johndoc: if you stick around other people can help you as well... a connection timeout sounds like either (A) the client is connecting to the wrong (A1) IP or (A2) port, or (B) the NBD isn't accessible because it's (B1) not started or (B2) it's firewalled
20:07
oh, or NFS
20:08
my root FS comes over NBD and my homes come over NFS, but you might have a different setup
20:13
<alkisg>
johndoc: distro/version?
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21:09
<johndoc>
so I had to run (drive) 50 miles to plug a network cable in a wall, before I left I reset the client for the 5th time in a row. I just got back and it's booting now
21:09
the distro is ubuntu 14.04
21:13
server
21:14
I'm using NBD as it is the default for Ubuntu. I'm impartial to either at the moment since this is my first experience with NBD
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21:57
<alkisg>
johndoc: nbd is fine, nfs currently has problems with overlayfs
21:57
OK if it's booting now, problem solved... :)
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