IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 7 January 2014   (all times are UTC)

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07:36
<alkisg>
Good morning
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23:05
<DJUnreal>
eh up folks
23:05
anyone alive?
23:34
<vagrantc>
!question
23:34
<ltsp>
question: if you have a question about ltsp, please go ahead and ask it, and people will respond if they can. please also mention the linux distro and release you're using. :)
23:38
<DJUnreal>
ooh, hey vagrantc
23:38
Long Time No See
23:38* vagrantc waves
23:38
<DJUnreal>
how goes it?
23:39* DJUnreal just finished installing a new ltsp5 system on debian Jessie... but can't test anything on it :(
23:39
<DJUnreal>
it's about 200 miles north of me y'see
23:39
<vagrantc>
oh, curious to know how it went
23:39
<DJUnreal>
well the install was fairly painless
23:39
<vagrantc>
we've been shaking things up a bit lately
23:40* DJUnreal assumes it's ltsp5 he installed anyway
23:40
<vagrantc>
but you don't know if it works yet :)
23:40
<DJUnreal>
apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone is what i ran
23:40
but from the 'testing' repos for debian
23:40
<vagrantc>
not much has changed in the build process, but we've reworked a lot client-side
23:40
<DJUnreal>
ooh awesome
23:40
well i'll be able to tell you more about that during (or after) the weekend
23:40
kinda flying by the seat of my pants y'see
23:41
built this server, it's at a mate's house
23:41
then we're off up to a scout camp on the border of scotland
23:41
and hoping it'll work with 5 Dell Latitude D6xx family laptops
23:42
there /is/ one question...
23:42
if i chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386
23:42
and install apps inside that chroot
23:42
should they automagically run as local apps?
23:42
<vagrantc>
no
23:42
<DJUnreal>
bugger
23:43
what's needed to make that work?
23:43
<vagrantc>
there is a setting LOCAL_APPS_MENU_ITEMS or some such that does work as long as your desktop environment respects XDG
23:43
<DJUnreal>
ahh yes
23:43
i did enable that
23:43
!local_apps_menu
23:43
<ltsp>
Error: "local_apps_menu" is not a valid command.
23:43
<DJUnreal>
hrmm, the bot doesn't understand it
23:43
<vagrantc>
i haven't used it much
23:43
it only knows what we tell it, and what it logs
23:43
<DJUnreal>
ahh righty
23:43
we're using lxde if that helps
23:44
<vagrantc>
i guess LOCAL_APPS_MENU=true is what you want
23:44
lxde should work
23:44
<DJUnreal>
yeah, i've turned that on
23:44
next awkward question
23:44
in previous versions i remember having issues with the location of the lts.conf file
23:45
as in... the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf never seemed to do anything
23:45
and i have some vague recollection of a /var/lib/tftpboot/lts.conf or similar
23:45
<vagrantc>
the current version in wheezy/jessie will default to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
23:45
<DJUnreal>
awesome
23:45
i hoped you'd say that ;)
23:46
<vagrantc>
if you're using NFS (the default), it should propegate automatically ... and always has.
23:46
<DJUnreal>
that's where i want it
23:46
and yes, i use nfs
23:46* DJUnreal can't be bothered with trying to do multiarch images and so on, not this weekend
23:46
<vagrantc>
if you put a file in $tftpdir/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, it will overwrite the one in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf in wheezy+
23:46
<DJUnreal>
mostly on account of the fact that i can't remember how many of these laptops have amd64 cpus in and how many don't
23:47
okay, but not putting anything in the first path should fall back to the second (default) path anyway?
23:47
<vagrantc>
if the tftp dir has lts.conf, it will write it over whatever the client's /etc/lts.conf is at boot.
23:48
with NFS, the client's lts.conf is in the server /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
23:48
<DJUnreal>
root@sistcpr11:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386# ls
23:48
config-3.12-1-486 nbi.img System.map-3.12-1-486
23:48
gpxelinux.0 nbi.img-3.12-1-486 vmlinuz
23:48
initrd.img pxelinux.0 vmlinuz-3.12-1-486
23:48
initrd.img-3.12-1-486 pxelinux.cfg
23:48
root@sistcpr11:/var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386#
23:48
that looks good to me
23:50* DJUnreal wonders if he will ever find time to revisit those ultra-thin-clients
23:51
<DJUnreal>
the ones that needed a RAM upgrade to even load the LTSP image
23:51
think they were 300MHz CPUs and 16MB RAM
23:51
<vagrantc>
ouch
23:51
<DJUnreal>
we were given a bunch of them for free
23:51
and they /do/ (just) support PXE
23:52
but the LTSP PXE image is just shy of 33MB iirc
23:52
so a RAM upgrade is needed to even boot the things
23:52
(and from memory they barely even crawled!)
23:52
<vagrantc>
the PXE image is only a few kb
23:52
but yes, that's not nearly enough ram.
23:52
<DJUnreal>
there was something that needed 33MB of RAM to be able to work
23:52
<vagrantc>
probably unpacking the initramfs
23:53
<DJUnreal>
that sounds viable
23:53* DJUnreal remembers upgrading one client to 256MB
23:53
<DJUnreal>
but that ran dog slow (probably because of the CPU)
23:53
<vagrantc>
that might work... even that, sadly, isn't all that viable anymore.
23:53
<stgraber>
you need enough RAM to store pxelinux.0, vmlinuz, initrd.img (compressed) and initrd.img (uncompressed)
23:53
hmm, actually if it's vmlinuz, you actually need a bit more because the kernel itself is compressed
23:54
<DJUnreal>
a 256MB DIMM should handle it
23:54
<vagrantc>
but the processor being so slow... i've got some 800MHz via systems with 512MB ram, and those seem pretty slow.
23:55
<DJUnreal>
yeah... those are systems that need EVERYTHING running on the host server
23:55
they were designed to run as RDP terminals originally with some sort of embedded windows CE thing
23:55
<vagrantc>
even with that, they're still prone to running out of ram if you open more than one tab on a webbrowser and a second application...
23:55
<DJUnreal>
but the ones we were given were the special 'will support linux and pxe boot' versions
23:56* DJUnreal is working on getting more laptops donated that are a /decent/ spec
23:56
<DJUnreal>
being the scouts an' all, we're kinda... uhh... skint
23:56
<vagrantc>
i wonder if using rdp or vnc or nx would reduce or increase the needed resources
23:57
<DJUnreal>
well i remember back when i was testing
23:57
<vagrantc>
pixmap caching might be handled on the server-side that way
23:57
<DJUnreal>
someone suggested turning off the x encryption
23:57
and doing nbd instead of nfs
23:57
and that those should speed things up a lot
23:57
and they actually had the opposite effect
23:58
<vagrantc>
those are two unrelated tests
23:58
<DJUnreal>
indeed, but both of them caused further slowdowns
23:59
<vagrantc>
i've never seen turning off encryption reduce performance...
23:59
it's pumping the whole session over an ssh tunnel... there's no way that could be faster.