IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 September 2012   (all times are UTC)

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06:00
<ltspuser_27>
hi
06:27
<alkisg>
Hello
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06:33
<ltspuser_27>
any one here
06:33
for help
06:33
:)
06:34
<muppis>
!qwebirc | echo ltspuser_27
06:34
<ltsp>
Error: "qwebirc" is not a valid command.
06:34
<muppis>
Äh.
06:49
<elias_a>
:P
06:49
"changing password..." :)
07:20
<Hyperbyte>
ltspuser_27:
07:20
!ask
07:20
<ltsp>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
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07:30
<Hyperbyte>
Looks like we have quite a bit of new entries on the LTSP worldmap. :-)
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07:43
<ltspuser_25>
Hi all!
07:44
I've got a question about how localapps works, technically I mean. Couldn't find anything about
07:45
Is it right that the server is connecting to the thin client using ssh and Xforwarding? Or it's something completly different? Thanks for your help
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08:09
<martin-fletcher>
Hey all
08:15
<ltspuser_25>
Hello
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08:24
<martin-fletcher>
looking to impliment an ltsp setup with 2 ltsp servers authenticating against a kerberos-openldap server with samba pdc
08:25
anyone have any suggestions?
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08:27
<muppis>
martin-fletcher, set up the kerberos-openldap working at servers locally and I think you're good to go with clients as well. So far I've made it work that way with basic ldap.
08:27
<martin-fletcher>
muppis: thanks
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08:30
<martin-fletcher>
basically what i want is ltsp running for clients, authenticating against kerberos-openldap, mounted NAS directories (different for different users), Including a samba PDC, as there will be some windows clients on the setwork
08:30
<ltspuser_78>
Hi. I've got an LTSP server running for 2 years, and this morning, when I tried to log in on a client, I only see the ubuntu logo (system start in progress), but never comes to ldm.
08:30
<martin-fletcher>
i am a bit confused as to how to approach this kind of setup
08:31
<ltspuser_78>
(setup : ltsp cluster, with 1 appserver, and a server for evcerything else (load balancing, nfs...)
08:32
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, easy. LTSP uses SSH to authenticate to the server.
08:32
<martin-fletcher>
ltspuser_78: I have heard of this issue before, looking at several forums, best solution is to rebuild your client
08:32
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, whatever login method you choose, if it can work with SSH, it can work with LTSP. I have a 389 Directory Server (LDAP) running on my Fedora network server, then configured my Ubuntu thin client server as an LDAP client, and that's it.
08:33
ltspuser_78, there is probably an error message behind the Ubuntu screen. What you want to do is disable the Ubuntu screen, so you can see it. Then you tell us the error message and we can help you further. See:
08:33
!quiet-splash
08:33
<ltsp>
quiet-splash: to disable the splash screen in Ubuntu, in order to see any boot error messages, run `sudo gedit /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default` and remove quiet splash .
08:33
<martin-fletcher>
right ok i see
08:34
what about the NAS/Samba?
08:34
<ltspuser_78>
One moment, I try this...
08:35
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, by default LTSP mounts home directories for the user from the server using sshfs. This only happens if /home/ is not already mounted by some other means. So you could configure the clients to mount the entire /home/ dir from NFS or CIFS or whatever method you need
08:35
martin-fletcher, aditionally if you're using thin clients, you could also mount /home/ on the server via whatever means you want, and then let the clients use their default sshfs implementation to get the home dir from server to client, but that will cause some overhead.
08:36
(this method would also work with fat clients by the way, not just thin)...
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08:37
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, what you are trying to do with LTSP isn't very uncommon and by no means difficult. Mind you though, I used to have a seperate NAS like you, but I've chosen to make the LTSP server the NAS, so thin clients have direct access to files without network overhead and bandwith limitations
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08:39
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, seems like you got disconnect. Check http://irclogs.ltsp.org/ if you've missed any of my messages.
08:39
<ltspuser_78>
I removed quiet splash, and here is the messages I got : kernel panic - not syncing atempted..... and second line : PID:1, comm : init not Tainted 2.6.32-22-generic
08:39
<martin-fletcher>
thanks
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08:41
<martin-fletcher>
i see what you mean
08:42
hyperbyte: so basically, i just mount all of the required directories onto the LTSP servers as the /home dir, then LTSP clients can have their directories mounted from their
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08:43
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, this is possible yes, but will cause overhead and delays. Depending on what kind of files people store in their /home/ dirs, it should work. I did it for a while, but also ran into problems where file locks weren't translated over so many mount iterations.
08:44
<martin-fletcher>
right ok
08:44
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, LTSP can easily be configured to mount the home dir from elsewhere. It's an lts.conf option.
08:44
NFS_HOME if memory serves.
08:45
<martin-fletcher>
hyperbyte: ahh right i see
08:45
<Hyperbyte>
ltspuser_78, just a guess here - try running:
08:45
!update-kernels
08:45
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'update-kernels', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ltsp-update-kernels'
08:45
<Hyperbyte>
!ltsp-update-kernels
08:45
<ltsp>
ltsp-update-kernels: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man8/ltsp-update-kernels.8.html
08:45
<Hyperbyte>
Eh
08:45
<martin-fletcher>
how would samba play a part in this?
08:45
<Hyperbyte>
Disregard that
08:45
ltspuser_78, try running sudo ltsp-update-kernels sudo ltsp-update-image
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08:45
<Hyperbyte>
See what that does. I have no idea about the specific error message, but that might help.
08:45
martin-fletcher, what part would you like it to play?
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08:46
<martin-fletcher>
hyperbyte: i would like it as a PDC, as it will also be serving windows clients
08:46
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, I've my LTSP server a PDC.
08:46
*made
08:46
I've chosen to put it all on one server, to eliminate overhead.
08:47
<martin-fletcher>
how does samba work with ltsp clients?
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08:48
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, again - how would you like it to work with LTSP clients?
08:48
Samba is software that interfaces Linux with Windows. I'm not exactly sure what role you would like to play with your Linux LTSP clients.
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08:49
<martin-fletcher>
i would like the samba server to act as the PDC for the network, and so serving up domain access to the ltsp clients
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08:50
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, I still don't understand your question. What -exactly- are you trying to do?
08:50
<martin-fletcher>
would like it to have printer shares, control nfs mounts etc, basically all that a windows dc does
08:50
<Hyperbyte>
A PDC (Primary domain controller) is the computer that is the boss of a Windows domain. LTSP clients don't use Windows.
08:50
Right
08:51
So let's make one thing clear:
08:51
10:47 <martin-fletcher> how does samba work with ltsp clients?
08:51
<martin-fletcher>
i am looking to use samba to replace the current windows dc
08:51
<Hyperbyte>
It doesn't. Samba and LTSP have nothing to do with eachother.
08:51
They both run on Linux, that's it.
08:51
Let's say you want one server, that is both a PDC for Windows' clients, sharing printers and files, and an LTSP server, giving access to those same printers and files, then yes - that's very much possible.
08:52
<martin-fletcher>
yes that is exactly what i want
08:52
<Hyperbyte>
But, try to keep things 'in scope'. This #ltsp channel is for help with the Linux terminal server and clients. I could help you set up an entire network server, but it's better if you search resources in the right places.
08:53
You can find a lot of great general help in #ubuntu, there's also tons of howto's about setting up a PDC on Ubuntu
08:53
<martin-fletcher>
thanks alot, i will have a look at those aswell
08:53
<Hyperbyte>
As far as this channel goes, it kinda stops at the point where thin clients and terminal servers aren't involved anymore. :)
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08:53
<Hyperbyte>
But I can tell you this:
08:54
I'd set up an LDAP server on Ubuntu, create user accounts there, and then a /data/ partition for all files. Then I'd install LTSP so all LDAP users can login and access their /data/, then I'd set up Samba to use LDAP for authentication, and share /data/ over the network
08:55
What you want is easily doable, basic Ubuntu stuff... trust me when I say the howto's are out there. Your best bet right now is to start Google'ing, and take in enough information so you feel "right, I can do this."
08:55
:)
08:56
For example: https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/samba-dc.html
08:56
Good luck, I have to get back to work. :)
08:56
Oh - and when you get LTSP working, be sure to add it to our world map! :-)
08:56
!worldmap
08:56
<ltsp>
worldmap: If you're using LTSP, please let the world know and share your story at http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ Your can add a nice pin to our world map at your location, plus your setup will count towards the global LTSP usage statistics.
08:57
<martin-fletcher>
thanks alot hyperbyte, i have been stuck with this for a long time, i have inherited a totally broken windows network, that is years out of date, and not maintained during its lifetime, and have been told that i will have no funding at all for improvements
09:00
<ltspuser_78>
It seems my answer disappeared, so here it is once again : I removed quiet splash, and here is the messages I got : kernel panic - not syncing attempted..... and second line : PID:1, comm : init not Tainted 2.6.32-22-generic
09:02
<Hyperbyte>
martin-fletcher, sounds like you need Linux. :)
09:02
<martin-fletcher>
indeed :)
09:02
<ltspuser_78>
(just before, I had : No interfaces found... aborting // mounting root filesystem // running /scripts/nfs-top
09:03
<Hyperbyte>
ltspuser_78, I don't know the answer, but stick around - I'm sure someone else does.
09:06
<ltspuser_78>
hyperbyte, ok, thanks.
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09:18
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg knows though. :)
09:19
<ltspuser_78>
hyperbyte, but it seems alkisg is busy somewhere else... :)
09:20
<alkisg>
Εν οίδα, ότι ουδέν οίδα - Socrates :P
09:21
ltspuser_78: what's the question?
09:24
<ltspuser_78>
alkisg : Hi. I've got an LTSP server running for 2 years, and this morning, when I tried to log in on a client, I only see the ubuntu logo (system start in progress), but never comes to ldm.
09:24
<alkisg>
So it's running 10.04?
09:24
<ltspuser_78>
I tried to reboot, update/upgrade chroot
09:24
Lucid
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09:25
<ltspuser_78>
Alkisg : I removed quiet splash, and here is the messages I got : kernel panic - not syncing attempted..... and second line : PID:1, comm : init not Tainted 2.6.32-22-generic
09:26
just before, I had : No interfaces found... aborting // mounting root filesystem // running /scripts/nfs-top
09:26
<alkisg>
And that client used to work?
09:27
<ltspuser_78>
Those clients used to work for 2 years, until July (last log on ltsp-control-center web interface)
09:27
<alkisg>
And you get dropped to an initramfs prompt?
09:28
<ltspuser_78>
Nothing, just ubuntu logo and white/red points under it "moving"
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09:29
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: after you removed "quiet splash"
09:29
So there's no logo there, there's kernel panic, but after that, do you get a shell?
09:30
<ltspuser_78>
Sorry, not after removing quiet splash, of course. I switch on servers and client again, and tell you
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09:32
<ltspuser_78>
No prompt at all, just call trace message, followed by some lines like syscall, sysinit...
09:33
<alkisg>
OK, now in pxelinux.cfg/default put "break=mount" in the place where "quiet splash" used to be
09:34
<ltspuser_78>
done...
09:35
<alkisg>
Reboot the client, you should have a shell now
09:35
<ltspuser_78>
I've got the shell
09:35
<alkisg>
ipconfig eth0
09:36
<ltspuser_78>
No such device :(
09:37
<alkisg>
You're probably missing the module then
09:37
Which device is that?
09:37
!adding-modules
09:37
<ltsp>
adding-modules: If your clients won't boot with messages like 'eth0: link not ready', maybe you're missing an initramfs-module: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AddingModules
09:39
<ltspuser_78>
But no change has been made neither on clients nor on servers since last succesful log !...
09:39
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386
09:39
Put the result to pastebin
09:40
I.e. if you had manually put the module there, and a package was updated and your manual configuration overwritten, you now might be missing the module
09:45
<ltspuser_78>
Sorry, phone call... can you remind me of how to use pastebin ?
09:47
<alkisg>
!pastebin
09:47
<ltsp>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
09:47
<ltspuser_78>
I think that's what you were looking forhttp://pastebin.com/Wgn8ZBR7
09:49
But I didn't have put module, because nic are classical cards (I don't remember, but 3com or intel, realtek, working out of the box with pxe)
09:51
<alkisg>
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8,7M 2012-09-05 10:16 initrd.img-2.6.32-22-generic
09:52
ltspuser_78: that means that you modified your initramfs at that date
09:52
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5,3M 2011-10-07 09:42 initrd.img-2.6.32-34-generic
09:52
ltspuser_78: if you instead use that older one, it'll probably work
09:52
And once it boots, you can check for which module is needed
09:53
(modify the vmlinuz and initrd symlinks in that folder in order to select which kernel you want)
09:55
<ltspuser_78>
alkisg : It didn't work, so I tried apt-get update / upgrade in chroot, and then ltsp-update-kernels / ltsp-update-sshkeys. But didn't fix it. That's why you see that.
09:55
The ancient one didn't work neither
09:56
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: when you say "didn't work", did you correctly update all the symlinks? Put another `ls -lha` to pastebin again...
09:59
<ltspuser_78>
I mean : the problem I'm here for appeared this morning with older initramfs (2011-10-07 09:42 initrd.img-2.6.32-34-generic), then I tried update/upgrade of chroot and ltsp-update-kernels to fix it, but it didn't
10:01
<alkisg>
Is it a single client, or are multiple clients having the same problem?
10:01
If it's a single client, then it might be a hardware related problem
10:02
<ltspuser_78>
All physical clients have the same problem and I tried with a vm client... it does the same
10:03
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: it might be different problems
10:04
E.g. your initial problem might have been a rogue dhcp server, pointing your clients to another nbd server
10:04
But now, "interface not found" means there's no module for this network card
10:04
Try booting with the older initramfs, and check again the error messages, thei might be different
10:05
You need to modify 2 symlinks for that; both vmlinuz and initrd
10:05
<ltspuser_78>
I'm trying back old initramfs, and I tell you
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10:12
<ltspuser_78>
alkisg : I tried the older initramfs, and you were right, the issue is not the same : Cannot open root device... // please append a correct 'root=' boot option // kernel panic : not syncing :VFS : unable to mount...
10:13
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: nice. And, do you get a prompt now?
10:16
<ltspuser_78>
Sorry, I made a copy from the old line pxelinux.cfg/default and forgot to remove the '#' at the beginning ! No that I did it, I've got the message about network interface, in fact
10:16
<alkisg>
What are your current pxelinux.cfg/default contents?
10:17
<ltspuser_78>
default ltsp // label ltsp // kernel vmlinuz // append ro initrd=initrd.img break=mount nbdport=2000
10:19
<alkisg>
What message about network interface? "Interface not found"?
10:21
<ltspuser_78>
No interfaces found... aborting // mounting root filesystem // running /scripts/nfs-top
10:22
<alkisg>
With break=mount, you should have an initramfs prompt before the "mounting root filesystem" message
10:22
Also, what's the output of `ls -lha /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386` now?
10:24
<ltspuser_78>
http://pastebin.com/hy7hezUv
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10:27
<alkisg>
So, you're still using the newer initrd
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10:37
<ltspuser_78>
Ok, I made the change, and it still doesn't work, but I just noticed something weird : I've got two initrd (2.6.32-22 and 2.6.32-34), but only one vmlinuz (-2.6.32-22)
10:38
<alkisg>
And the weirdest thing is that you also downgraded your kernel
10:38
From -34 previously you decided to downgrade to -22
10:38
<ltspuser_78>
Yes, that's what I noticed too !
10:38
<alkisg>
But you need a copy of the -34 vmlinuz in order to try the older initramfs
10:39
Also, ls -lha /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
10:39
==> pastebin
10:39
<ltspuser_78>
I decided nothing ! I just don't know how it happened !
10:40
http://pastebin.com/B9dQ7C4K
10:41
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: anyways it's going to take a long time this way, time which I do not have, now if you want we can share a console and troubleshoot it much more quickly
10:42
<ltspuser_78>
That's what I think. What do you mean about share a console ?
10:42
<alkisg>
!socat
10:42
<ltsp>
socat: One way to share a console with a remote person is: [local pc] forward port 5500, run: socat tcp-listen:5500,keepalive=1 stdio,raw,echo=0 [remote pc] socat tcp:server:5500 SYSTEM:"{ sleep 1; xterm -e screen -xRR ra$$; } & exec screen -S ra$$",pty,stderr
10:43
<alkisg>
So actually you just need to run these 2 commands on your server:
10:43
sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
10:43
socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
10:44
<ltspuser_78>
done
10:48
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: why do you have dkms in your chroot? nvidia/ati binary drivers?
10:49
<ltspuser_78>
I tried to install nvidia drivers in chroot, but it didn't work
10:50
(installation was ok, option added in lts.conf, but no effect on clients)
10:50
<alkisg>
Installation was not ok
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10:51
<ltspuser_78>
Ah !
10:51
<alkisg>
It complained because you have amd64 server kernel and it couldn't compile i386 module on the chroot
10:52
<ltspuser_78>
That's certainly why it didn't work ;-) . It wasn't really important yet, this was just a first try. I decided to try back one day when I would have time to
10:53
But everything worked fine after, for months.
10:54
<alkisg>
Sure, if you didn't touch your chroot, then the problem wasn't there.
10:54
But you touched it afterwards, trying to fix the problem
10:56
<ltspuser_78>
dhcp is on another server
10:57
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: ok, try to boot a client
10:58
<ltspuser_78>
Same issue :(
10:59
<alkisg>
This was supposed to tell me your dhcp setup
11:00
..any special configuration in your dhcp server that prohibits it from answering to the ltsp server?
11:00
<ltspuser_78>
What kind of special conf ?
11:01
<alkisg>
"deny this client"
11:01
<ltspuser_78>
It doesn't deny this client, since it first accept it for pxe
11:02
<alkisg>
I'm trying to get an IP for the ltsp server, not for the client
11:02
Just to see your dhcp options
11:03
ltspuser_78: try another client?
11:03
*or the same, just reboot i mean
11:03
<ltspuser_78>
It' a little bit complicated, because options are numerous, and dispatched in multiple files. But it has always accepted connections from ltsp clients
11:04
<alkisg>
ltspuser_78: did you say something about trying in a VM?
11:04
What VM?
11:04
<ltspuser_78>
The same : nothing new. Others : they are far from me
11:04
It's just a vmware hosted machine, simply configured to boot on network
11:05
<alkisg>
Yeah, but it would give me access to the client console for troubleshooting
11:06
<ltspuser_78>
Ah ! I won't be able to do that now, because I've got a meeting in 30 minutes, and I will have to leave. But if you agree, we could meet later here and do that ?
11:07
<alkisg>
We'll see, if we both have free time for this. Cu later. :)
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<ltspuser_78>
OK. Great thanks to you for your help, and Cu later.
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<markit>
hi, OT, is there any english speaker that can explain me the phrase "it gets everybody especially worked up" ?
13:11
(is about flames in GNU/Linux world)
13:12
<dead_inside>
worked up would be like excited
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<dead_inside>
so that phrase is about something getting everyone excited or anxious
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<markit>
dead_inside: thanks a lot!
13:14
<dead_inside>
np
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13:58
<servercbe>
Hello... I have an issue.. can you helpme... I have EPOPTES... use to work fine until 3 days ago .. now it doesnt recognazed any thin client
13:58
any suggestion??
13:59
somebody there?
14:01
<alkisg>
servercbe: hi
14:01
<servercbe>
HI
14:01
sorry
14:01
<alkisg>
So, you run `epoptes` and you don't see any clients?
14:01
<servercbe>
can you help me please?
14:01
yes
14:01
<alkisg>
Are you running epoptes on a thin client?
14:01
Or are you working on the server?
14:01
<servercbe>
server
14:02
<alkisg>
OK. Now login on a thin client, open a gnome-terminal, and run this there: /usr/sbin/epoptes-client
14:02
What's the output of that command then?
14:02
(login with a different user account, e.g. a student, not a teacher)
14:03
<servercbe>
sorry, but i will have to close this session... or is there anything that I am no undertanding
14:03
<alkisg>
Do you have a server and a thin client?
14:04
Run epoptes on the server, and epoptes-client on the thin client
14:04
<servercbe>
at the same time... I think so... I use this computer to connect the other computers... sorry.. I am pretty new on it...
14:04
oh...
14:05
running epoptes on the server now.....
14:05
I will go to the thin client.. giveme one moment
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<servercbe>
thanks for been patient...
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<servercbe>
I am back!!!! it says: *epoptes-client connecting to localhost:798......done
14:20
<alkisg>
OK, and you don't see that client in the epoptes window?
14:20
<servercbe>
no
14:20
I have 6 computers conected and I cant see anyone
14:21
<alkisg>
On the server, close epoptes, open gnome-terminal, and run `epoptes` from the terminal there
14:21
What's its output?
14:22
<servercbe>
Which output?... sorry... on epoptes screen?... Nothing...
14:22
<alkisg>
No, on the terminal
14:23
alkisg@alkis:~$ epoptes
14:23
Got clients: 127.0.0.1:35654
14:23
---
14:23
**addClient's been called for 127.0.0.1:35654
14:23
* Won't add this client to my lists
14:23
Stuff like that
14:24
<servercbe>
nothing... it is freez.... after "*epoptes-client connecting to localhost:798......done" the cursor is blinking...
14:25
should I update anything...???
14:25
<alkisg>
No
14:25
You did this part:
14:25
(1) go to a thin client, login as a student, open gnome-terminal, run epoptes-client
14:25
Now I want you to do this part:
14:25
(2) go to the server, login as the teacher, open gnome-terminal, run epoptes
14:25
And give me the output of "epoptes" as it appears on the terminal
14:26
But I have to go right now, kids waiting, so be back later...
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<servercbe>
* Epoptes-client connecting to server:789... 2012/09/05 08:27:07 socat[11129] E getaddrinfo("server", "(null)", {1,0,1,6}, {}): Name or service not known
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<servercbe>
hello
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<monteslu>
anyone have jetpipe working on the latest RHEL6/Centos6/SL6 ?
16:32
actually the client is running a fedora11 chroot. was missing python-daemon, fixed that but still can't print. And my python coding skills are lacking
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18:00
<dtrask>
hey...is anyone able to help me troubleshoot why I cannot get cups installed in localapps?
18:00
I need to be able to print from localapps
18:00
cups installs, but will not finish...will not --configure
18:10
<Hyperbyte>
dtrask, whoa
18:11
You are compiling cups from source in order to print from local applications?
18:11
Please provide:
18:11
- Which distro/version are you running?
18:11
- Which LTSP version are you running?
18:11
- Whatever gave you the idea of compiling cups from source in the chroot?
18:12
<dtrask>
sorry..Im back
18:12
I'm running Edubuntu
18:13
<highvoltage>
hey there dtrask
18:13
<dtrask>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LocalAppsLucidPrinting
18:13
i need to be able to print from web browsers that are running as localapps
18:13
I followed the instructions in the link, but cannot keep cups running
18:14
I'm probably missing something
18:14
or there is a newer better way
18:14
highvoltage: Hi!
18:14
running Edubuntu 12.04
18:14
anyone?
18:15
<highvoltage>
you can't keep cups running? what do you mean? does it die?
18:16
<dtrask>
i was getting errors when installing it....it wouldn't --configure
18:16
<highvoltage>
did you have proc and dev mounted?
18:16
(in the chroot?)
18:16
<dtrask>
i removed it...and tried again...finally it configured and was running
18:16
I had proc mounted....dev?
18:17
#mount -t proc proc /proc
18:17
what else?
18:18
anyway....it was running, but it still isn't seeing the shared printers from the server (after ltsp-update-image...and a reboot of the client)....so I ran "service cups stop" and now I cannot restart it...it fails
18:19
what is the command to mount /dev?
18:19
syntax
18:20
More background....I do not have any printers installed on the Edubuntu server. I have an Ubuntu print server for the whole building...in the Edubuntu server I just ticked the box to share printers shared by other systems
18:20
works fine for non-localapps applications....my issue is just localapps
18:21
<Hyperbyte>
dtrask, which Edubuntu version?
18:22
<dtrask>
12.04
18:22
precise
18:22
<Hyperbyte>
Did you see the notice on top of the howto you're following?
18:23
You are following a 10.04 howto
18:23
Another question: the printers you are trying to print to from local applications, where are those connected to? Are they network printers? Are they connected to the server? To local client?
18:23
<dtrask>
I know, but there is nothing else....hence why I'm here. I NEED to get printing working in localapps
18:24
a print server running on Ubuntu
18:24
<Hyperbyte>
dtrask, right - but by applying the wrong instructions to a working system, you -can- make things a lot worse you know.
18:25
dtrask, don't be vague please. "A print server running on Ubuntu" can mean anything. Do you mean the printers are configured in CUPS on your LTSP server?
18:25
<dtrask>
I am in a school....we have about 75 thin-clients....the print server is running on an Ubuntu server...and I'm publishing to all...On the edubuntu server I'm simply using those shared printers
18:25
<Hyperbyte>
Right.
18:25
<dtrask>
NO...they are running on another print server
18:25
<Hyperbyte>
So... your printers are all accessible through the network
18:26
And they are configured in the CUPS of your thin client server?
18:26
<dtrask>
I can see them and use them (print) from any app that is NOT a localapp
18:26
yes
18:26
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
18:26
By default, LTSP thin clients' localapps use the CUPS daemon running on the LTSP server.
18:26
<dtrask>
my problem is...firefox, google-chrome, and a few other programs are running as localapps and as a result cannot print
18:26
<Hyperbyte>
So printing from local-apps *should* work out of the box.
18:27
<dtrask>
aha
18:27
but it doesn't
18:27
<Hyperbyte>
Go into administrative CUPS interface running on the LTSP server, enable all printers as shared, see if that makes a difference.
18:27
It could just be a matter of the clients not having proper access to the printers.
18:27
<dtrask>
ok...hang on
18:27
<Hyperbyte>
Either way, that's where you should be debugging
18:28
lts.conf has a variable CUPS_SERVER:
18:28
!lts.conf
18:28
<ltsp>
lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
18:28
<Hyperbyte>
You could even point CUPS_SERVER directly to your Ubuntu print server, so you don't even have to go through the LTSP server
18:28
Presumably the Ubuntu print server is already set up properly for sharing
18:29
(and this my friend, is why you should never use old howto's on new systems, they are often wrong ;-))
18:29
Dinner, be back in ~15.
18:31
<thebwt>
dtrask: I like how he links to the lts.conf man page for documentation, when the command he is informing you of isn't documented there
18:32
dtrask: lts.conf can do amazing things, many of them not documented.
18:33
<dtrask>
would it be CUPS_SERVER = 10.0.6.200 for example?
18:33
<thebwt>
let me check mine
18:34
dtrask: yup
18:36
<dtrask>
Eureka! You rock!
18:37
<thebwt>
i was doing the exact same thing as you a month ago ;)
18:37
tip: don't google for help on ltsp, it's to new
18:37
come straight here
18:37
<dtrask>
ok...thx
18:38
<thebwt>
or risk messing things up/ doing things dumb
18:38
<dtrask>
yeah...the documentation is lacking for the newest versions
18:40
<thebwt>
so my own question : I'm running xubuntu thick clients, screen locking doesn't work. When a user tries to get back into the system authentication always fails.
18:40
my own problem:*
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18:46
<alkisg>
thebwt: password hashes aren't copied to fat clients due to security concerns
18:46
So they can't sudo, unlock, etc etc
18:47
Previous gnome versions understood that the password is empty and never locked the screen automatically
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<||cw>
couldn't a fat client's pam be made to auth back to the server somehow?
19:06
<alkisg>
That's what libpam_sshauth is trying to do. We hope that Scott will have it ready soon.
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<||cw>
I'd have thought that would already exist
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<alkisg>
Yeah it's called ldap :) but they say it's hard to setup and use, so it's not something people want in their default installation
20:30
<||cw>
i guess
20:35
<markit>
btw, since we are talking to authentication
20:35
for children is a bit annoying that when in LDM enter the wrong password (or username)
20:36
are not imediatly notified, but the system seems to start and instead slowly reloads
20:36
is something that can be fixed in the future, or is an intrinsic limitation?
20:36
<alkisg>
LDM will be removed completely, so yeah that'll be fixed too :D
20:37
<markit>
ehm, what will be used instead?
20:37
<alkisg>
lightdm, kdm, whateverdm...
20:37
<markit>
and will not behave the same?
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<markit>
I guess not, from your previous answer lol
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<alkisg>
LDM can be fixed so that it doesn' t restart after bad authentication attempt too
20:39
It's just that noone has bothered to do it yet
20:39
<markit>
I see
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's not really fixable, in the sense that it depends on what the ssh prompt is
20:53
<alkisg>
vagrantc: there's no need to restart X for failed login attempts
20:54
<vagrantc>
and different configurations of the ssh prompt can mess it up
20:54
alkisg: but there's no way to distinguish between bad password vs. some other random error
20:54
<alkisg>
The problem isn't the ssh prompt; is the X restarting
20:55
X should be restarted after the user session ends, to clean up stuff, OK, but there's no need to restart it just because of authentication errors, whatever those are
20:55
<vagrantc>
there's no way to determine authentication errors from other errors
20:56
<alkisg>
So?
20:56
"server not found at all", ok, so why restart X then?
20:56
<vagrantc>
unless ssh gives meaningful return codes
20:56
<alkisg>
All those are not related to X
20:56
<vagrantc>
correct.
20:57
<alkisg>
X should be restarted after a session because we don't cleanup things well enough
20:57
But for displaying ssh or other messages, there's no reason to restart X
20:57
<vagrantc>
i agree there's no reason, but there's also no way to tell when it's the right thing to do.
20:58
<alkisg>
After a successfull authentication, and when that is over
20:58
It's very clear
20:58
All errors => don't restart X
20:58
Success => ok, restart X when the session dies
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<elias_a>
Funny lunch times :P
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<guyver>
When I try to build the LTSP client image, it fails during the downloads with a hash sum mismatch. Apt-get clean has no effect
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Anyone please?
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