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Channel log from 8 November 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<sakhi__>
hi all
04:12
Anyone here tried Edubuntu 7.10 usb support for thin clients?
04:15
<stgraber>
it works fine
04:16
<sakhi__>
stgraber: on thin clients?
04:16
<stgraber>
yep
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<sakhi__>
regardless of the type of clients you might be using?
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<sakhi__>
I like the new distroof Edubuntu, but how would I know if all the clients can detect the usb?
04:22
distro I mean
04:26
stgraber: on the server I can detect the usb and see all its contents, but on the clients I cannot.
04:27
<stgraber>
here if I plug an USB stick in one of the client, it takes some secs then appear on the Desktop
04:27
are your users in the "fuse" group ?
04:28
<sakhi__>
nope
04:28
could that be the problem?
04:29
<stgraber>
yes
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<happywithed>
I just set up a new ed ltsp server with feisty 7.04 on a AMD64 arch
06:04
my test client is a i386 and it connects to the server
06:04
but it can't find the lts.conf file
06:05
I forgot what is it I need to do to build the clie
06:05
can anyone help?
06:05
In the server, I can see /opt/ltsp/AMD64 but there is no /opt/ltsp/i386/ directory
06:05
I remember seeing somewhere that when you have a AMD64 architecture, you can still run i386
06:05
clients, but I forgot what kind of settings I need to do
06:05
anyone???
06:06
Is anyone here?
06:07
<Guaraldo>
happywithed: ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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<happywithed>
great!
06:07
that is the one
06:07
<Guaraldo>
its on the manual...
06:07
<happywithed>
Thanks Guaraldo
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<Guaraldo>
Welcome.
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<sakhi__>
kbye thanks alot
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<jvanrooyen>
Hi I'm trying to boot a compaq p2 thin client and I'm getting this error: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
06:57
eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
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ERROR! dhcpcd failed!
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Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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Any help on this?
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<sadmin>
hi guys
07:50
any idea
07:50
do i need lts.conf dor ltsp 5 on gutsy
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<sadmin>
sbalneav
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<sadmin>
u have any idea abt gusty+ltsp5
07:59
any one did that
08:04
<sbalneav>
Yeah, I wrote a large chunk of it.
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<sbalneav>
sadmin: Yes, I'm involved in ltsp5
08:07
<cliebow__>
yes Scott id ionvolved in ltsp5 8~)
08:08
<sadmin>
hey
08:08
plz guide me
08:08
<cliebow__>
i dont type the language
08:08
<sadmin>
i have installed gusty ubuntu and ltsp5
08:08
with apt-get
08:08
<cliebow__>
k
08:09
<jvanrooyen>
andybody get my last msg here?
08:09
<cliebow__>
sbalneav, the understatement of the century "Yes I am involved in ltsp5
08:09
<jvanrooyen>
Hi I'm trying to boot a compaq p2 thin client and I'm getting this error: NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
08:09
eth0: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex, lpa 0x45E1
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ERROR! dhcpcd failed!
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Kernel panic - not syncing: Attempted to kill init!
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<sbalneav>
You're ethernet card isn't happy.
08:09
<cliebow__>
sounds like the network card is not recognized by the initramfs
08:09
<sadmin>
no my thin clients wont gets GUI
08:09
<jvanrooyen>
I have a realtech card on my client
08:10
<sadmin>
it gets ip but ubuntu start n Monitors blinks
08:10
any idea
08:10
wht to do
08:10
<cliebow__>
sadmin:what video card??
08:10
<sbalneav>
sbalneav: Sure, maybe it's not recognizing your video card.
08:10
<cliebow__>
is there an echo?? 8~)
08:10
<sbalneav>
What kind of video card is it.
08:10
<sadmin>
intel 815
08:10
on thinclient
08:10
<sbalneav>
jvanrooyen: Check hubs/switches ,etc.
08:10
<jvanrooyen>
Howcome the card not happy if it loads the kernel to 1 stange?
08:11
<sbalneav>
sadmin: Ah
08:11
I think you need:
08:11
<sadmin>
do i need nfsserver of ltsp-server standalone did that
08:11
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: can it be my swith I'm using?
08:11
<sadmin>
but it tagt vga works on ubuntu dapper
08:11
<sbalneav>
sadmin: Try: X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 or X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 in your lts.conf file.
08:12
jvanrooyen: Quite possibly.
08:12
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: I've tried another switch though, but its the same make,
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<sadmin>
ok
08:13
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: Also fyi: I'm using ubuntu 6.06(dapper) and ltsp ver 4
08:13
sbalneav: I aslo didnt have this issue before, so this is strange to me?
08:13
<cliebow__>
jvanrooyen, can you try a differnet card?
08:14
<sbalneav>
jvanrooyen: Don't know, Me, personally, I'm not really supporting ltsp4 anymore.
08:14
<jvanrooyen>
cliebow__: the RTL card is the only card with a boot rom, so maybe I sould try pxe boot with a dif card
08:15
Let me try quick....
08:15
<cliebow__>
k
08:15
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: :-?
08:15
<cliebow__>
there is a wide diversity in quality of cards withj realtek chips
08:16
jvan: the really cool stuff and development is in ltsp5
08:17
<jvanrooyen>
cliebow__: the reason I'm still using ver 4 is just because of a client
08:17
<sbalneav>
jvanrooyen: It's pretty clearly a hardware problem, I'd say. NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out indicates that the card isn't sending data.
08:18
<jvanrooyen>
cliebow__:will be moving soon
08:18
sbalneav: I'm quickly trying pxe boot
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<sadmin>
sbalneav no use
08:21
did thiss to
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SERVER = 192.168.2.254
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XSERVER = auto
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X_MOUSE_PROTOCOL = "PS/2"
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X_MOUSE_DEVICE = "/dev/psaux"
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X_MOUSE_RESOLUTION = 400
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X_MOUSE_BUTTONS = 3
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USE_XFS = N
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# X_MODE_0 = 1024x768
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X_MODE_0 =1024x768
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X_HORZSYNC =30-50
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X_VERTREFRESH =50-60
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SCREEN_01 = startx
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SCREEN_02 = shell
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# SOUND = Y
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LOCAL_STORAGE = Y
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SOUND_DAEMON = nasd # or esd
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LOCAL_APPS = Y
08:22
XINETD_SERVICES = "saned"
08:22
do i need to install nfsserver
08:23
<cliebow__>
OWWW.. my eyes
08:24
<sadmin>
sbalneav
08:24
whats up
08:25
<cliebow__>
sadmin: this lts.conf resides in /var/lib/tftpboot??
08:26
<^Migs^>
wtf, use pastebin or something
08:26
<sadmin>
no
08:26
<jvanrooyen>
ok no luck with pxe boot, no pxe server found
08:26
<sadmin>
its in opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<jvanrooyen>
I also tried another RTL tech card and I get the same errmsg
08:27
<sbalneav>
sadmin: You're using gutsy?
08:27
<sadmin>
ya
08:27
<sbalneav>
Did you rebuild the image?
08:27
And you haven't added it, according to what you flooded the channel with.
08:27
Next time, use the pastebot.
08:28
!pastebot
08:28
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:29
<cliebow__>
sadmin:no changes will take effect in ltsp5 gutsy til; you ltsp-update-image
08:29
<sadmin>
hey do i need entries /etc/exports
08:29
<jvanrooyen>
But the strange thing is... Before the NETDEV err it gives a msg which is: input: ImPS/2 Generic Wheel Mouse as /class/input/input1
08:29
What does that mean?
08:29
<sbalneav>
sadmin: LTSP5 on gutsy should use nbd-server
08:30
do an ltsp-update-image
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<sadmin>
ok
08:30
doing
08:30
<sbalneav>
jvanrooyen: It means it found your mouse
08:30
And you didn't add the X_COLOR_DEPTH= line
08:30
<sadmin>
hey do i need ect/expots
08:30
or not
08:30
<sbalneav>
no
08:30
not for nbd-server
08:30
<cliebow__>
sadmin, gutsy ltsp5 provides ability to have an lts.conf in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 which is tftp'd to client..right scottie?
08:30
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: Ok:-$
08:31
sbalneav: So i'm stuck to this NETDEV err
08:31
<sbalneav>
jvanrooyen: Have you tried a DIFFERENT brand of switch?
08:31
have you replaced the card?
08:31
<cliebow__>
he did
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<sbalneav>
have you replaced the network cable?
08:31
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: Not yet let me check what I have then I'll try quick
08:32
<sadmin>
well in tftfpd can read /var/lib/tftpboot
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dir
08:32
<jvanrooyen>
sbalneav: Yes I did
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<sadmin>
i wont say it do /var/lib/tftpd/ltsp/i386
08:32
<sbalneav>
sadmin: Install the edubuntu-docs package, and read up on ltsp5 in the Edubuntu Handbook.
08:32
It's all explained in there.
08:33
In your Ubuntu help centre
08:33
<sadmin>
ya using am seeing in logs nbd-server
08:34
<cliebow__>
it is nbd-server by default
08:34
<sadmin>
ya true
08:35
<jvanrooyen>
Cant find a dif switch or hub around this mess:(
08:35
<cliebow__>
My goodness..a help file that is Useful!!!!!!!!!
08:39
<sadmin>
sbalneav plz guide me
08:43
<ltsppbot>
"Nubae" pasted "local device debugging" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/340
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<cliebow__>
sadmin: you know..i think you should take your lts.conf out altogether and let the system autodetect all for starters..
08:44
you ARE on ltsp5 right?
08:45
<sadmin>
thanks man
08:45
its done
08:46
<cliebow__>
sbalneav, the docs are awesome..
08:46
prett sure an 815 will be autodetected'
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<sbalneav>
cliebow__: it is, but it doesn't like the 32 bit colour mode we default to .
08:51
so sadmin needs to get X_COLOR_DEPTH=24 in there.
08:51
<sadmin>
ya
08:51
did that
08:51
hey what ltsp-manager does
08:52
i install ltsp-manager
08:52
from where i open it
08:52
<sbalneav>
it doesn't work.
08:53
So, you've rebuilt the client, yes?
08:53
and rebooted?
08:53
Can you paste the lts.conf file now to the pastebot?
08:53
!pastebot
08:53
<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
08:55
<sadmin>
why ltsp-manager wont work
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<ltsppbot>
"sadmin" pasted "[default] X_COLOR_DEPTH=16 NBD" (3 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/341
08:56
<sadmin>
here http://pastebot.ltsp.org/341
08:59
<Gad1>
anyone know how to disable trackerd globally on ubuntu? seems it is NOT very LTSP friendly
08:59
:)
08:59* Gad1 guesses he can uninstall...
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<sbalneav>
Gad1: That's what I've been doing
09:01
<Gad1>
sbalneav: perhaps we should let ogra know that he may want to dump it in edubuntu terminal server :)
09:02
<sbalneav>
yeah
09:02
<sadmin>
hey
09:02
sbalneav
09:02
<sbalneav>
yes?
09:03
<sadmin>
how i enable usb n cdrom in gutsy
09:03
<sbalneav>
It should work by default
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<sadmin>
how i check
09:05
cdrom n gutsy
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<EXP2>
Is it possible to deny user log in from multiple terminals at the same time? i have 7.10 & ltsp 5
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<sbalneav>
EXP2: At this time, no.
09:07
We'll fix that for hardy.
09:08
<sadmin>
it wont seems to be
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<sadmin>
any thing to do
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<Gad1>
EXP2: if you install moquist's xterminator program, it will log the user off of the first log in
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<EXP2>
it seem that when user logs in several times, system gets slower and slower. after reboot it works OK
09:13
<cliebow__>
Gadi: did you explicitly install trackerd??
09:14
<Gad1>
cliebow__: no - its installed by default
09:14
apt-get remove --purge tracker
09:14
:)
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<sonjag>
Good morning :)
09:15
<Gad1>
GO ELLIS EAGLES!!!
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<sonjag>
This might be off topic, but hoping it's okay.
09:19
I'm having trouble with Document Viewer reading some pdf's. I was thinking of installing Adobe Reader to see if it fixes it (Adobe Reader on Windows shows the files fine.) When I apt-cache search adobe pdf, I see xpdf stuff. Is that Adobe's stuff? Does anyone else use Adobe? Any comments/suggestions?
09:19
Gadi: GO SYMBIONT!!
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<sadmin>
sbaleav
09:19
wht abt cdrom
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<sonjag>
I just went to Adobe's site... I can download Reader for Linux and install it. If I do that (and still wondering if it's a good idea in general) will the upgrades happen automatically?
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<sonjag>
It seems as if either no one's out there or this is too off topic... if it's the latter, is there a channel that does address questions like whether to install Adobe Reader?
09:31
<^Migs^>
you sure are impatient
09:31
if you want to view PDFs, go ahead and install Adobe Reader
09:31
there are other more lightweight PDF viewers, though
09:33
<Gadi>
sonjag: hey there
09:33
<sonjag>
^Migs^, oops, sorry to be impatient! Do you recommend another reader?
09:33
Gadi, Hi!
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<Gadi>
you wont get automatic updates, as acrobat wouldnt be in the repository
09:34
but, how often does acrobat update anway?
09:34
er, anyway
09:35
sonjag: the default pdf viewer in ubuntu is evince
09:35
does a pretty good job all in all
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only on rare occasion do you find pdfs that it wont open
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<sonjag>
Gadi, I don't know how often it gets updated. The windows version only seems like once a year or so... I can live with that. I am pondering ^Migs^ comment on the lightweight... I've probably overloaded my network/LTSP servers so I don't want add more if I can help it.
09:38
<Gadi>
sonjag: why not stick with the default for a little bit, and if someone complains about some pdfs not opening, install acrobat
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<sonjag>
Gadi, I am responding to a complaint ;) Here's the file... if you have a chance to look, I'd appreciate it. <http://quest.arc.nasa.gov/aero/wright/teachers/pdf/language/Newspaper_Article.pdf> When it opens, the text comes out white on white... if you highlight it, you can see the text is there. The dialog box says "Document Viewer" opens the file. Is that evince? If not, how can I try evince to see if it would work, then set it as default which apparently i
09:40
t isn't on my set up?
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<Gadi>
sonjag: looks fine here w/ doc viewer
09:45
<sonjag>
Gadi, you see black text on white? Any idea why the text comes out white here? It's quite a few users who had this issue.
09:45
<^Migs^>
why would you need Adobe's Reader to view PDFs? Would there be any special cases in which the PDF must be viewed with Adobe Reader?
09:45
perhaps forms that are to be filled out and connected to a server?
09:46
I'm not even sure if you'd still need Adobe Reader for that. Probably a good idea, though.
09:46
<Gadi>
sonjag: according to the doc properties, there are 2 fonts that are not embedded: GillSans-Bold and GillSans
09:46* Gadi is trying on my laptop not a thin client...
09:46
<Gadi>
perhaps its a fonts thing...
09:48
try opening it when logged in on the server
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<^Migs^>
am I crazy for asking this, or is there a way to use laptops as thin clients and wirelessly have them boot of an LTSP server?
09:48
<Gadi>
^Migs^: yes, because pdf is not as much of a standard as you may think ;)
09:49
<cliebow__>
Gadi: all isee on moine is libtrackerclient...
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<^Migs^>
I have a principal who is against having a computer lab in his school. He'd rather have a set of computers in each classroom then cart in laptops for the extra students
09:49
I think he's going to end up seeing the folly of his ways, but meh, he's not changing his mind
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<Gadi>
^Migs^: no such thing as wireless PXE boot, so you either need to use a wireless bridge connected to the ethernet port or to a switch
09:50
<sonjag>
Gadi, I don't have GillSans on here. I am actually on the server... same issue as clients. I need to rtfm on fonts... I'm having printer issues because of them also.
09:50
<^Migs^>
so from the user's perspective, it IS possible, then?
09:50
hmmm
09:51
<Gadi>
sonjag: evidently, I dont either
09:51
it must substitute with sans
09:52
^Migs^: consider having a switch for multiple desks and make wireless islands
09:52
hand out the lappiess and have them plug into the switch
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<^Migs^>
this is going to be a pain
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<Gadi>
alternatively, just install NXclient on them
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and NX in
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<^Migs^>
I"m not even sure if these laptops will have PXE boot. Guess since they have their own hard drives they don't really need to
09:53
nxclient?
09:53
hang on, I'll look that up
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<Gadi>
dpkg -l evince
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oops
09:54
sonjag: Im on 2.20.0 version of evince
09:54
on gutsy
09:54
you can try installing "xpdf"
09:55
and see if the fonts come up in that
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<sonjag>
^Migs^, If it helps, I can give you more info on how we've set up multiple "computer labs" around our school with thin clients.
09:55
^Migs^, We now have 5 classrooms with 1:1 computing using thin clients. Easier to maintain than laptops (IMHO) and the teachers and students love the constant access.
09:56
<^Migs^>
hmm, nxclient free edition only allows 2 users
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<Gadi>
^Migs^: that is nxserver free edition
09:56
you can either use freenx
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<^Migs^>
sonjag, I work for a school district. I'm familiar with how to set this all up. I'm helping a charter school get started on the side, though.
09:56
<Gadi>
othe OSS version of the server
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<^Migs^>
oh, oops
09:57
<Gadi>
or pay for licenses for the commercial one
09:57
the client works on both
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and is free
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<sonjag>
Gadi, I'm running evince 0.8.1 on ubuntu 7.04 (don't know all the animal names ;)
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<^Migs^>
I'd have probably up to 80 connections at once
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<Gadi>
sonjag: is there an update available?
09:59
<^Migs^>
there's a max of 450 students in the entire school. I can't see more than 80 using the LTSP server at once, though, laptops included
10:01
I think I like the wireless bridge idea. They won't be sitting in rows, but rather in groups all the time. That might make things easier.
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<^Migs^>
O
10:04
I'm not sure I understand what nxclient would do
10:04
I'm trying to figure it out from the web site. Would it basically be the equivalent of rdesktop for a Win Term Server?
10:04
you'd still need to boot up the OS and everything first?
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<Gadi>
^Migs^: right. you wouldnt have to monkey with the laptops too much (if they already work) you can just install the client (they have for multiple OSs) and connect to the server
10:07
might just be easier for you than formatting them and such
10:07
you wont get the same performance as with LTSP, but it may make it easier
10:08
if you can do the bridge, go for that
10:10
<Guaraldo>
^Migs^: NX client is not LTSP... But a client to conect NX Server, witch is a graphical interface server on Linux...
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<Guaraldo>
Or btter, ^Migs^, it shares the graphical Interface of the server...
10:14
<^Migs^>
doesn't Linux already have something like that built-in?
10:15
<Guaraldo>
^Migs^: Hummm... XDMCP, but NX has client to Windows and is possible and safe to conect over the internet...
10:16
^Migs^: LTSP uses XDMCP...
10:16
<Gadi>
actually, LTSP 5 does not
10:16
LTSP <=4 used XDMCP
10:16
<Guaraldo>
Gadi: Right... LTSP4.2 still uses XDMCP...
10:17
Gadi: But is possible to configure LTSP5 to use XDMCP...
10:17
<^Migs^>
what does LTSP 5 use?
10:17
<Gadi>
LTSP 5 uses ssh+X
10:17
<Guaraldo>
^Migs^: ssh tunelling...
10:18
:-D
10:18
<^Migs^>
cool
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<sbalneav>
Guaraldo: hey, see ltsp-br
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
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<jammcq>
you sitting in the airport at MSP ?
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<Guaraldo>
sbalneav: Done...
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<cliebow__>
Guaraldo, you "Can use" xdmcp" but gdm seems borked at the moment
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<scrapbunny>
hi i have a newbie question. I am getting ready to do a bulk add of users and need to know the gid and shell. have someone tell me where to find this info?
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<sutula>
scrapbunny: What distribution?
11:36
(if you still need this)
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<daya>
any one have tried sound in ltsp in debian etch,
11:39
<sutula>
daya: I have it working
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<daya>
sutula, oh, really
11:40
sutula, how, I have tried it but not working,
11:40
sutula, how is that working, do you have done sth extra,
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<sutula>
daya: vagrantc has done a lot of work in the past few months. Let me try to summarize what it took, and you can decide if you want to try.
11:41
<daya>
sutula, ok
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<sutula>
First, you need a newer version of the ltsp-server package. See the bottom section of http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
11:42
You don't need ltsp-server-standalone
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(unless you're running that already)
11:43
...can substitute ltsp-server
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There may be a sound package or two you have to install manually
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<daya>
sutula, I have done it already
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<sutula>
Start with /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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<daya>
but same results
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<daya>
sutula, but new version,
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sutula, isn't it 5.0
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?
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<sutula>
daya: Yes
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5.0.31debian2~0.etch.1
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<sutula>
daya: You rebuilt the client chroot?
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<daya>
sutula, acutally I have done it earlier , before more than 1 month,
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sutula, But I can't get,
11:50
sutula, have you got the sounds get played in debian etch in ltsp by configuring thru this part,
11:51
sutula, I am completly amazed what is goning to my system,
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sutula, any idea ok , I wll repeat the step again,
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sutula, but due to slow Internet connectivity Its takes a long time,
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<sutula>
daya: I can't understand what you're trying to say, but if you don't have 5.0.31debian2~0.etch.1 version of ltsp-server and a new client chroot, you probably want to start from there.
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<daya>
sutula, Do I need extra 5.0.31debian2~0.etch.1 version of ltsp server or I can get it by following the lower step of the wiki,
11:58
sutula, I mean can I follow the lower step of the wiki, in the fresh installed syste, (etch)
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<sutula>
daya: Steps 2, 3, and 4 get you the new package; the bottom stuff is only for X configuration
11:59* sutula clarifies that he is talking only about the section starting with "If you want to use newer LTSP related packages (with ltspfs and pulseaudio sound):"
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<daya>
sutula, ye I got it, sorry for verbose explanation and query
12:03
sutula, If you have successfully tested the sound, It must work on mine isn't it, I will test it again, and let you know
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<sutula>
daya: I'm not always around here (often /away) but I'll help if I can
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<outofrange>
I'm running ltsp5 (Gutsy) I'm now able to boot a G4 iBook, but when I boot a G4 Power Mac I don't end up with the graphical login (like with the iBook). I'm seeing some errors in boot (maybe related to PluseAudio, but it might be a red herring).
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<^Migs^>
cool
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<sam_>
hi we have a i810 graphics card in our debian etch server and would like to enable DRI can anyone help?
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<sam_>
where do we edit the XF86.Config. config file for the clients please?
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<sbalneav>
sam_: I'm unclear. Is the graphics card in the server?
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<sam_>
yes
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<sbalneav>
So, you want the ltsp clients to have dri?
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<sam_>
yes
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<sbalneav>
What kind of video cards are in the client?
13:18
Because they won't use the server's card.
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<sam_>
we have put these settings in http://marc.info/?l=ltsp-discuss&m=112125687909655&w=2
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<sbalneav>
Only the server uses the server's card.
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<sam_>
sorry i have that wrong the i810 cards are in the clients
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<sbalneav>
The clients do not use the server's video card.
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<sam_>
sure - being daft
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<sbalneav>
Well, you'd probably want to create a custom xorg.conf file, then use lts.conf to point to it.
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<Gadi>
sam_: unless you run an app locally on the thin client, dri won't do you any good
13:20
dri is not network transparent
13:20
afaik
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<prpplague>
jammcq: greetings
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<sbalneav>
So, create the custom xorg.conf file, put it in, say, /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.custom
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<sbalneav>
then have a line in your lts.conf that says XF86CONFIG_FILE = /etc/X11/xorg.custom
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<cliebow__>
eek!
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<sam_>
Gadi, is glx meant to be network transparent?
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<Gadi>
yes
13:25
glx is
13:25
dri is not
13:25
they are different beasts
13:25
dri = direct rendering
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<sam_>
so direct rendering is impossible with LTSP?
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<Gadi>
right -but dont confuse that with glx
13:27
glx is the stuff that makes rotating a desktop cube fun
13:27
dri is what makes super-accelerated 3d gaming fun
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so, no 3d gaming on ur thin client :)
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<sam_>
has anyone got compiz working on ltsp?
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<Gadi>
yes
13:29
that uses glx not dri
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<sam_>
any info on how to do it anywhere? we are using etch
13:30* vagrantc notes that, while not yet well supported, running applications locally with LTSP will allow you to support whatever your distro supports
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13:30* Gadi knows not debian etch
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<Gadi>
but, if you can get it working on a laptop running etch
13:31
then, follow similar steps in the chroot
13:31
wrt Xorg configs
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<Gadi>
as scotty says, you can use a custom xorg conf file in the chroot for the thin clients
13:31
that you copy from a working laptop or PC
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with same hardware
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: Is the local apps code uploaded somewhere (the part sending the command over the X protocol) ?
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<Q-FUNK>
re
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<Q-FUNK>
did anybody get a chance to try Jordan's patch for -amd?
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<outofrange>
I'm trying to set a root password for a powerpc thin client env on a i386 server. I booted a powerpc livecd and mounted /opt/ltsp, and then sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/powerpc. The mount is rw. Changing password results in Authentication token lock busy. Any ideas?
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<warren>
wow... apparently F9 will be able to resize ext3, vfat and ntfs partitions in the installer
15:54* warren never thought he would live to see features that Mandrake had years ago.
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<sutula>
outofrange: I've always done it on the server
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outofrange: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
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passwd root
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<outofrange>
Doesn't seem like I could chroot to powerpc chroot on an i386 machine.
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<sutula>
outofrange: Ahhh...good point
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outofrange: Is the passwd actually kept in /etc/passwd or shadow?
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<outofrange>
I assume in shadow.
15:57
Maybe I could create it in i386 and just copy shadow.
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<sutula>
outofrange: Can you set it on the server and then copy it to the chroot's shadow?
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<outofrange>
;)
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<sutula>
outofrange: You'd probably onlyt have to copy the passwd text, not the whole file
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<outofrange>
Yes -- I can just copy my existing password for that matter.
15:58
I'll give that a try.
15:58
Man this stuff eats time.
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<outofrange>
Just editing the shadow file worked perfectly.
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Now I need to try and debug why X isn't starting. Once I log in how would I run ldm like the startup scripts do?
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra: what exactly has changed since Gutsy to flat out prevent LTSP from reaching X?
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I see something about nbd failing
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<warren>
Does ldm rely on gdm (or xdm or kdm) at all?
18:47
Or it works independently?
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<johnny_>
hi
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<johnny_>
is there a list of packages that should be in an ltsp chroot?
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<johnny_>
aha.. i just recreated it
22:49
now.. how to get the autologin workin
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