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Channel log from 11 August 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<BlackDark>
Hi, is that a way (config file, or so) to display a bitmap while the terminal is booting ?
07:30
for instance, while the terminal starting from the nfs stage, there is only a cursor on the screen
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
Morning jammcq
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: what's shakin ?
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<sbalneav>
Seeing if ogra's around. I think I squashed a few bugs last night, I want him and vagrantc to check.
08:17
One of the long standing bugs we had was that the chroot was hardcoded in a lot of places to /opt/ltsp.
08:19
fgiraldeu's building chroots in /opt/ltsp/i386-dev, and this breaks several of the scripts
08:19
so I sat down for 2 hours last night and generalised all the ltsp-update-* scripts.
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<EXP2>
how you add a local scanner in ltsp5?
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<sbalneav>
EXP2: You should be able to chroot to /opt/ltsp/i386, and apt-get install saned, I beleive
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either sane or sane-utils
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<EXP2>
http://pastebin.com/d7d404a26
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i got this errors
08:59
it can't find sources for installation
09:06
it has something to do with dns...
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<sbalneav>
Something's whacky with your chroot.
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<ltsppbot>
"sbalneav" pasted "chroot sane" (21 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/269
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<sbalneav>
It's there in mine
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Going up for breakfast
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<ltsppbot>
"EXP2" pasted "root@SARA-LTSP:/# aptitude sea" (11 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/270
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<EXP2>
anyone can help with this?
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<EXP2>
ogra, are you here?
09:41
<DeathRaven>
I've a question pertaining to LTSP on Ubuntu Feisty. I've installed it, I can get the client to boot into it... but none of the logins work on the client. I've tried swapping to the console on Ctrl-Alt-F1, it gives me the login prompts, but none of the username password combos work. I know the usernames exist on the server. Any ideas?
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<EXP2>
what does your lts.conf look like?
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<DeathRaven>
A review of .xsession-errors indicates: x session started for
09:46
sorry bout that...
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um...I'm drawing a blank as to where it's located, now.
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<lmveloso>
Hi ogra, I just sent you a project status email, take a look when you can.
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<DeathRaven>
[default]
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SOUND=True
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LOCALDEV=True
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NBD_SWAP=True
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SYSLOG=server
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<EXP2>
how you can install local scanner in ltsp5?
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<BlackDark>
question regarding the terminal sold by disklessworkstation, I've 2 1220, how can I enter in the bios to adujst something ?
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<EXP3>
anyone used local scanner with ltsp5?
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<BlackDark>
with my term 1220, when I run glxinfo, Xorg crahes, any idea how I could solve that ?
10:47
my server runs ubuntu edgy
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and I followed that howto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OpenChrome
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however, I didn't recompile drm and stuff like that, the howto says the 3d should work out of the box with edgy
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any idea ?
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<BlackDark>
back
12:58
any ideas why glxinfo crashes xorg ?
13:06
ok I adjusted something, it's a bit better but
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I noticed the video card has 32 megs in shared ram, however I setted only 16 megs in lts.conf
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I can now launch glxinfo one time
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the second time it still crashing xorg
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direct rendering is not enabled
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so any idea what I could do to enable the 3d on the via unichrome chipset ?
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<Atzusac>
hi all
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i'm trying to configure a thin client using XDMCP, but after connecting X the login doesn't appear, and the console shows:
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Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1
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AUDIT: Sat Aug 11 20:20:25 2007: 15811 Xorg: client 1 rejected from 192.168.1.2
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Fatal server error:
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XDMCP fatal error: Session failed Session 509168002 failed for display
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192.168.1.130:0: cannot open display
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anybody can help ?
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<BlackDark>
did you enabled XDMCP on your server ?
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it's disable by default in gdm.conf
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s/disable/disabled/
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<Atzusac>
sure, btw i'm using kde :P
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<johnny>
hmm.. so why do people use kdm or gdm for ltsp?
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old ltsp versions? or any other reason?
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<frejolito>
hi people !
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exist this chennel in spanish ?
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channel
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<johnny>
i don't think so
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<Q-FUNK>
hm.
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<JonNoob>
Please help.. My ltsp clients won't login. The loginscreen disapers for a few seconds and goes to black and the returns. Auth.log shows the user being authorized, and a session is being started.
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<lns>
JonNoob, have you tried running 'ltsp-update-sshkeys' ?
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i know that can happen if you change IP information and the ssh keys don't match
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<JonNoob>
oh.. that is very possible... Just trying it now
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<lns>
not sure if you have to restart the client(s) or not..maybe do it just to be safe, but i think you can just try logging in after re-starting ldm
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<JonNoob>
I am rebooting the client now...
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<lns>
what distro are you using?
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<JonNoob>
edubuntu feisty
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it didn't help :-(
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<lns>
cool
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did you change ip information?
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<JonNoob>
yes. running 172.16.0.0/255.255.0.0 network
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<lns>
hmm
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has your client(s) ever worked?
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logging in that is
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<JonNoob>
yes.. they have..
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<lns>
so is changing your ip info the only thing that has changed between when they worked and now?
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<JonNoob>
I think so..
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<lns>
you sure you've changed it everywhere that is required?
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<JonNoob>
not completely sure :-)
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<lns>
lol
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ok
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<JonNoob>
Will you look at my conf files?
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<lns>
i'd recommend searching around for where it is you need to change all of the IP info.
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<JonNoob>
tried but couldn't find it... But I better try again :-)
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<lns>
is it acting as a dhcp server too?
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<JonNoob>
yep
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I wanted to make it use reservations for my clients, but it wouldn't boot with that conf.
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<lns>
was the previous ip in the same subnet as your dhcp scope?
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as in, have you changed your dhcpd.conf?
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in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf (or whatever it is)
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<JonNoob>
only changed dhcpd.conf to change ip. Do I need to change it somewhere else? Original ip was 192.168.0.X
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<lns>
how bout /etc/hosts
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or /etc/network/interfaces
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and possibly /etc/resolv.conf (if applicable)
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192.168.0.x is generally a /24 (255.255.255.0) subnet as to where 172.16.x.x is a /16 (255.255.0.0) - you need to make sure this is reflected everywhere as well
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<JonNoob>
did hosts, interfaces but not resolv.conf.
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i only have my windows DNS listed there (nameserver 172.16.3.1)
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<lns>
make sure your /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf reflects everything
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and re-run ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<JonNoob>
looks right to me...
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ran ltsp-update-sshkeys again and rebooting client
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<lns>
k...as far as i can tell ltsp-update-sshkeys is the only thing you have to do
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i've experienced ldm weirdnesses like that before too
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usually it's that or i'm just typing in something wrong ;)
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<JonNoob>
well could have been that, but i tried several accounts
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<lns>
if none of that works, try the desperate action of rebooting the server and rebuilding the chroot
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<JonNoob>
The strange thing is that the user can login from NX
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<lns>
though i'm sure it probably isn't the problem, it couldn't hurt
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<JonNoob>
Nomachine NX that is
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<lns>
k.. well its definitely related to ltsp then
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how fast is the server?
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<JonNoob>
it is very fast... 2xdualcore amd cpu, 4 gigs ram
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only one client for now :-)
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<lns>
hehe
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well rebuilding the chroot won't be a big issue then
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i'd try that if i were you just to try it
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rm -rf /opt/ltsp;ltsp-build-client
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probably ltsp-build-client --arch i386 if its a AMD64 install
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<JonNoob>
Trying it now... It is not an AM64 install though it is 64bit processors.. I was told flash and jav was buggy in AMD64 version
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<johnny>
what hostname should show up in the ldm
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down in the lower right hand corner
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<JonNoob>
hostname? only have ip there...
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<johnny>
oh.. i have a hostname, but it shows the server's hostname
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<JonNoob>
ok... Maybe i have the servers hostname too. Can't check right now...
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<johnny>
i'm using dnsmasq and assigning host names based on mac address
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<JonNoob>
I don't know anything about that... Sorry
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<johnny>
was trying to use the the patched ldm for autologin
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but that's not working atm sadly
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just trying to isolate why
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<JonNoob>
lns: didn't help a bit....
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<JonNoob>
I solved it :-) I have installed Sabayon(and forgot about it). It demands that every user have an profile...
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i have an fuse quistion. I have integrated my users from my AD with my new Edubuntu Feisty install. My problem is that the users are stored in my AD, so I don't have a local profile. Without an local profile I can't choose "Allow use of fuse filesystems like LTSP Thin Client blockdevices" in users and groups.
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<JonNoob>
OH NO.... I F..... up my hosts file, so now I can't use sudo anymore.... How will I be able to edit hosts without usingsudo????
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<johnny>
i'm unable to login via console
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when ldm login works, what could be some causes of that?
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brb
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<BlackDark>
I'd like to deny a module to be loaded in the xorg.conf config file, can I do that with lts.conf ?
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<johnny>
no idea
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<johnny>
is there any other chat rooms where ltsp folks hang out (other than #edubuntu)
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<johnny>
i can't tell where things are supposed to get logged to for ltsp clients
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on the client chroot, or on the server?
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<johnny>
dead....
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<sbalneav>
evening all
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Anyone need any help?
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<johnny>
howdy sbalneav :)
20:16
i do :)
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<sbalneav>
What's your issue?
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<johnny>
well first questions
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1. should i be able to login to console if i switch to vt1
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2. what hostname should show up in ldm
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<sbalneav>
1) no
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<johnny>
in relation to #1, login via ldm does work
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oh.. i was told yes before .. guess not :)
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like 2 weeks aqo
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<sbalneav>
2) Usually the server's name you created the chroot on
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<johnny>
ok.. cool
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i just wanted to make sure that was all well
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<sbalneav>
You can, if you set root's password in the chroot.
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But normal users, no.
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<johnny>
currently i'm using ubuntu
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not edubuntu
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<sbalneav>
Makes no diff
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<johnny>
i'm trying to make that ldm auto login patch of to work
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the one by gideon romm
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but it just keeps refreshing the screen
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<sbalneav>
What do you mean?
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<johnny>
i get a black screen with an X cursor, and then it blanks, then it comes back to the X cursor, and on and on
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<sbalneav>
ls -la /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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<johnny>
-rwxrwxr-x 1 root root 10130 2007-07-26 22:03 /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/sbin/ldm
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<sbalneav>
Please paste a copy of your lts.conf file
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To the pastebot
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"johnny" pasted "lts.conf" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/271
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<johnny>
well currently the autologin stuff is commented out
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cuz it was causing problems as i mentioned
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<sbalneav>
What happens if you put the original ldm back in place?
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<johnny>
well autologin wouldn't work then? :)
20:25
normal login works with this modified one
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so why would i put it back?
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<sbalneav>
So, normal login works on the modified one?
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<johnny>
maybe i wasn't clear enough on that. sorry
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yes
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<sbalneav>
Ah, yeah, you weren't clear.
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<johnny>
they are thinking i'm slacking off cuz i'm not getting this going (altho is volunteer)
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:(
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i had a python coder look at it, and it all looked fine to him
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<sbalneav>
You're using a pipe.
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<johnny>
that's what it says to do iirc?
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in the code
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<sbalneav>
What happens if you just use a fixed username and password?
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without the pipe?
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<johnny>
aha.. good idea..
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hmm.. guess i might have to kick somebody off a computer
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brb
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oh also.. the directx option doesn't work standalone
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i mean, if that is the only enabled option
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only mentioning it in case it is related
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<sbalneav>
What makes you think it doesnt?
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<johnny>
that it doesn't work? cuz i get the same effect i mentioned earlier
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if it is uncommented
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<sbalneav>
DIRECTX doesn't help with login
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it only makes the connection faster by avoiding encryption
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and "hostname|" isn't going to help you too much for autologin, since all your terminals will think they have the same hostname.
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<johnny>
sbalneav, it worked
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<sbalneav>
hostname| isn't going to work for you anyway
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<johnny>
but sbalneav, here's what said it would
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http://www.mail-archive.com/edubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com/msg01210.html
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from gadi himself
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the quoted message at least
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<sbalneav>
Yeah?
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Try running hostname from two of your terminals.
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2 different ones.
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<johnny>
they do say the server hostname, but they do get their hostname from dhcp
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so.. there must be a way to force it through
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<sbalneav>
How many terminals do you have?
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<johnny>
4 atm
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<sbalneav>
You'll have an easier time setting up this:
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[00:MA:CA:DD:RE:SS]
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LDM_USERNAME="term1"
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LDM_PASSWORD="term1pass"
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[11:MA:CA:DD:RE:SS]
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LDM_USERNAME="term2"
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etc
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<johnny>
yeah.. i suppose :(
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<sbalneav>
do you what gadi suggests, you need to assign static addresses and names in dhcpd.conf anyway.
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<johnny>
but it seemed like it should work by gadi himself :(
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what's what i have
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it says the proper hostname right before it loads the kernel
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err s/what's/thats/
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<sbalneav>
What does your dhcpd.conf file look like?
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<johnny>
i'm using dnsmasq
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not dhcpd
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<sbalneav>
Can't help you then.
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I don't know anything about dnsmasq
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<johnny>
dnsmasq is awesme
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awesome*
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<sbalneav>
Except when it's not working for you, as in passing the hostname down.
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Like what you need.
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Anyway, awesome or not, everyone involved with ltsp uses the stock dhcp3-server
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<johnny>
now i have something else to go on then
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<sbalneav>
so you're going to have to solve that one yourself.
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Another option is just to write your own mini command to generate a userid.
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Say, one based on the last octet of the ip address
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So if you hand out ip addresses in the range of 192.168.0.1 -> .253
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<johnny>
aha.. true
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<sbalneav>
you could write a few-lines long shell script that would grab the last number, and put the word "host" or "term" in front of it.
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<johnny>
well i think i can prolly fix this issue
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now that i have a better idea of what is wrong
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<sbalneav>
so: host1 ... host128... host253
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<johnny>
it clicked
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well they are all named after famous folks in the uhmm.. field
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<sbalneav>
brb
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<sbalneav>
back
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<spackle>
anybody have pointers for audio in flash player on edubuntu?
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Do the classic ltsp tricks work? like linking the library and creating the socket directory?
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(they don't seem to be working for me just now.. ;) )
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<sbalneav>
spackle: Have you installed libflashsupport?
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<spackle>
let me see...
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hi sbalneav !
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<ibt>
how do i install ltsp-gutsy in feisty?
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<sbalneav>
Not recommended :)
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<spackle>
sbalneav: I don't see it, is that an ubuntu package or in a package or do I need to go grap it?
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<sbalneav>
We're in heavy development right at the moment, some things aren't guarenteed to work.
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<ibt>
sbalneav: that's fine. i'd just like to know how to test it
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<sbalneav>
ibt: Install gutsy
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<mistik1>
sbalneav: have you seen it? http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/10/2148253
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<sbalneav>
Yeah, saw it.
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yawn.
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I mean, it's great news, but really, I stopped caring about that a year after SCO came forward with the lawsuit.
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<mistik1>
yea, but its good to see
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<sbalneav>
Sure, but it was a forgone conclusion for a long time.
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It's just been made "official"
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<ibt>
sbalneav: know where i can read about installing gutsy?
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or well, is this 'tribe1' stuff what i want?
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<sbalneav>
http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe4
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hot off the presses
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<ibt>
ahh, yeah, okay
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<sbalneav>
mistik1: Linux growth never really faltered due to SCO. What is nice about this decision is that it places the Unix copyrights with a GPL friendly company.
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Now, if Novell was SMART, what they'd do is put this to bed once and for all.
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<spackle>
sbalneav: do you have any concerns about their new MS relationship?
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<sbalneav>
spackle: For linux, no.
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<spackle>
how would they put it to bed?
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<sbalneav>
Let me ask you a question: any company that MS has entered into a partnership with, has that company ever existed 5 years later? :)
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GPL or BSD license Unix.
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<mistik1>
lol
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<spackle>
ah
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and any company that explicitly goes head to head with MS the same thing is nearly true.
22:05
Borland who?
22:06
Google is stepping very carefully.
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<sbalneav>
Now, they'd have a LOT of people to sign off on, since a lot of companies and people have had their fingers in the Unix source code. But I think it'd be doable. Novell's got lawyers, and it's just an excercise in tracking things down, and getting consent.
22:07
<monteslu>
eclipse really killed borland
22:08
<sbalneav>
However, what is more likely to happen is for things to continue on status quo.
22:08
<monteslu>
well, after microsoft severly wounded it
22:08
<spackle>
monteslu: more like eclipse buried the coffin.
22:08
<monteslu>
yeah probably
22:08
<sbalneav>
That Unix patents/procedure/methods continue to be used as a hammer to cow people/companies into line
22:09
<monteslu>
a win for novell is still a loss
22:09
<sbalneav>
Du mußt Amboß oder Hammer sein
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<monteslu>
da
22:10
nine ?
22:10
<sbalneav>
"You must be either anvil or hammer"
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Goethe
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<monteslu>
oh, then "da"
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<sbalneav>
Gah, Ollie's not here to see me quote German.
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<monteslu>
wine on centos sucks ass
22:15
didn't any check that all the fonts are missing?
22:16
anyone i mean
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<spackle>
they probably can't legally include some
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<sbalneav>
Well, you can always legally include anything, if you can get the party to agree to it :)
22:18
If the party can't, or won't, then no.
22:18
If that's the case, they should, IMHO release as much as they can.
22:19
Two of the biggest contributors to Unix would be IBM and Sun.
22:19
Both of who would benefit by a GPL'd Unix, as they'd then be able to snag good bits from Unix, and good bits from Linux.
22:20
In fact, what could potentially happen is a single "Unix" standard, of a merged Unix/Linux.
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<sbalneav>
Then you'd have "One True Alternative" (r)(tm) to Windows, and you'd really have some room to compete.
22:21
<rjune>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
rjune: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:21
<sbalneav>
Hey rjune
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<rjune>
one true alternative?
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<sbalneav>
release Unix, or as much of it as possible, as GPL
22:22
GPL Unix merged with GPL Linux, add GPL Java.
22:22
Like I say, it's a fantasy.
22:23
<spackle>
they probably can't legally include some fonts (sorry)
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<rjune>
we have GPL java, sort of
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<mistik1>
sbalneav: It is a nice fantasy though
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<rjune>
mistik1!
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http://home.bravegnuworld.com/~rjune/bmw/
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<spackle>
sbalneav: there would be good points for sure, but there would be bad points to another windows-like monoculture
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<rjune>
like it would stay a monoculture for long
22:37
<spackle>
;)
22:38
<rjune>
mistik1: whaddya think?
22:38
<mistik1>
rjune: need to steam clean that engine buddy
22:39
<rjune>
that's what jen said.
22:39
<mistik1>
I like that model though
22:39
<rjune>
that engine needs to come apart
22:39
<mistik1>
uh oh
22:40
<rjune>
I'm afraid I'm going to find a piston wedged into the cylinder wall
22:41
she no run at the moment
22:41
<mistik1>
Are you gonna re-pipe it
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oh
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<monteslu>
rjune!
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<rjune>
monteslu:
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<monteslu>
i switched the school over to edubuntu
22:44
ran out of time, maybe I'll be back to fedora next summer
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<mistik1>
rjune: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-3-Series-1979-BMW-E21-320i-rare-rust-free-blue-beauty_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6007QQihZ014QQitemZ330154583238QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
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<sbalneav>
monteslu: Ran out of time? When does school start?
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<rjune>
within a week most places around here
23:03
<sbalneav>
huh, School doesn't start until week after labour day here in Canada.
23:24
<monteslu>
school starts here on tuesday
23:25
I really wanted a fedora based muekow, but I bet it doesn't happen until fedora 9 or so :(
23:34
<sbalneav>
Did you find out if anyone in the Fedora camp is currently working on it
23:35
<monteslu>
Eric said something was in the works, but no one on the dev list has mentioned it in over a month
23:36
I gotta get on there and stir the pot some
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i think rjune had the last post on the subject
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