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Channel log from 27 September 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<jane1>
any one knows about sound support in ltsp 5.0 for debian ethc
06:46
etch
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<sep>
jane1, isnt it mentioned in the ltsp docs under /usr/share/doc/ltsp*
06:48
<ogra>
!debian
06:48
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
06:48
<ogra>
should be at the bottom of the wikipage
06:48
etch had no proper sournd support, either take the backported packages or ubuntu since edgy
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<jane1>
ogra, I want to use etch for LTSP, with sound support, but as you told there is no proper sound support, but what about backported packgagees
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<jane1>
ogra, I can't get it , could you please clarify it,
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<masus>
hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..
07:18
for ltsp clients
07:20
or lang_map
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<masus>
hi all, can anybody help to configure a keyboard layout..
07:57
<ogra>
masus, you set that in lts.conf
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<ogra>
masus, depending on the release you use thats in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (older releases) or /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (latest release)
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<masus>
ltsp5
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<ogra>
up to feisty the first one applies, since gutsy the latter one
08:02
not sure if its in debian already
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<masus>
hmm
08:02
:)
08:02
u remember me
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<ogra>
(likely not since they are stuck with nfs, which we dropped)
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<masus>
ok but what to add to the lts.conf
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XKBMODEL = tr ,
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does not work
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<ogra>
tr is not a model
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pc105 would be a model
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tr is a layout
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<masus>
ok howto add a layout
08:04
i have misstyped :D
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<ogra>
XKBLAYOUT="tr"
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<masus>
oh :)
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after change lts.conf, have i to update something
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<ogra>
reboot the client
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<masus>
:)
08:08
ok
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<jammcq>
g'morning
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<Blinny>
Morning!
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<cyberorg>
moin
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<ogra>
moin
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<masus>
moin :|
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<toresbe>
hey folks, I have a question. I'm not using LTSP, but I don't see any better place to ask...
08:24
I've got a problem when booting a debian etch stock kernel using nfs from a Ubuntu Gutsy system.
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<exodos>
toresbe: go on...
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<ogra>
toresbe, thats unlikely to work
08:26
the mounted root uses /lib/modules of the nfs ... which is out of sync with the running debian kernel
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<exodos>
but you can copy lib/modules/<debian-kernel-version> from debian to ubuntu nfsroot dir
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and run depmod -a
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<ogra>
well, netx thing is that udev will break
08:30
debian simply isnt ubuntu :)
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its not interchangeable
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especially not for single packages
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(after udev you wil get probs with upstart very likely)
08:31
just use the ubuntu ernel to boot the ubuntu chroot
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*kernel
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<prpplague>
jammcq: greetings
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<toresbe>
sorry, I got an IRQ here
08:36
I've debootstrapped a file tree from which I've taken the kernel, thus the kernel and /lib/modules are in sync
08:36
everything is OK up until the NFS mounting
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/srv/linroot slave01(rw,no_root_squash)
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<ogra>
how does your root-path directive look like ?
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<toresbe>
http://gunkies.org/stuff/nfs-problem.png
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option root-path "/srv/linroot";
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my problem is that I'm getting the RPC error 2 thing
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<ogra>
the server side is debian ?
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<ogra>
check if portmap is running and if its not configured to listen to localhost only
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(in /etc/default/
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)
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<toresbe>
hmm
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portmap certainly is running
08:46
ogra: no, that's ubuntu
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ubuntu listens on all if's by default
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<ogra>
yep, i know
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i patched that
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<toresbe>
:D
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<ogra>
debian doesnt though
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<toresbe>
nope
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<Guaraldo>
jammcq: Morning, Jim!!!
08:49
jammcq: I've got the first LTSP 4.2 with Xorg 7.1.1 working...
08:50
:-D
08:51* ogra wonders why
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<jammcq>
because he can
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: That's a long, long history...
08:52
<ogra>
heh
08:52
well, i'd just see that ltsp5 gets into your $FAV_DISTRO
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instead of scattering development over old versions
08:53
<jammcq>
he's got a specific need for a specific client
08:53
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: a surprising amount of people run thin clients over deprecated LTSP deployments or using deprecated distro releases.
08:53
<jammcq>
overall, it's better to do the $FAV_DISTRO thing, but obviously, that requires cooperation FROM the $FAV_DISTRO, which isn't always possible|easy
08:53
<ogra>
yeah
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<toresbe>
ogra: anyway, I've ascertained that portmap is listening, and that nfsd and mountd registers against it. Any other known issues?
08:54
<ogra>
Q-FUNK, indeed, i wasnt talking about usage but development
08:54
<jammcq>
$FAV_DISTRO isn't always the best choice, when looking at specific cases. it's just GENERALLY the best choice
08:54
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Sure... But ower LTSP4.2 in this client has many alterations... We made an LTSP server with dual boot on clients (GNU/Linux and Windows. The user can choose)...
08:54
<ogra>
but if its a special project ,...
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<Q-FUNK>
for instance, I've got two customers currently askign whether they can run a ThinCan over some old obscure RH release.
08:54
<ogra>
Guaraldo, yeah, understood
08:54
vagrant wanted to put such a menu into ltsp5 btw
08:55
not sure he ever started to code that (trivial task with ltsp5 though)
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: Well... maybe I can help him...
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<ogra>
yeah
08:55
it wont be more than 20 lines of code or so
08:56
doable in a day :)
08:56
<Guaraldo>
ogra: Yep... maybe some lines more than 20... but not so BIG...
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<ogra>
we have a wikipage assembling such a thing anywhere
08:57
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPMultiboot
08:57
there it is
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: Just need a menu that runs on client and writes a temp file with the option...
08:57
<ogra>
its immature, but should work
09:00
<Blinny>
It's non-trivial to do upgrades to most distros when things are scattered all over the filesystem and various partitions. That's why I'm using deprecated LTSP. Plus, it works.
09:00
<ogra>
??
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<Blinny>
Many companies (mine included) can't spring for separate machines to do separate tasks. Thus, a major LTSP/distro upgrade also affects databases, email, etc.
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<evarlast>
I just did the first MPI test run on my rebuilt using ltsp cluster. This computational cluster is now WAY more maintainable
09:00
thanks ltsp
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<Blinny>
I'm a little late getting into the convo. My apologies.
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<ogra>
Blinny, file locations havent changed for 2 years in ltsp5
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<Guaraldo>
ower solution is very simpler... After all conventional boot of LTSP 4.2, a menu is opened and user choose which sistem. So the client starts XDMCP system or RDesktop...
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<Blinny>
Didn't I just see a move from /opt/ltsp to /var/lib/ltsp ?
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<ogra>
Guaraldo, ah, thats a mater of a screen script then
09:01
i thought you have a menu for local boots
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<evarlast>
Blinny: only 1 machine? sounds like you need vmware, or at least vserver kernel
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: Yep...
09:02
<Blinny>
evarlast: Thank you, no. I'm not running multiple OSs, and need every MB of RAM I have.
09:02
<ogra>
Blinny, thats an additional part so users dont need to rebuild the image for every change in lts.conf, the old path didnt change its just more work to use it
09:02
<Guaraldo>
No, ogra... all clients are diskless system... More than 1000... All them boot this dual screen script system...
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
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<Guaraldo>
Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:03
<ogra>
Blinny, lts.conf from tftp will override the one in the chroot, but if you dont have it in the tftp dir the chroot one will be used
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<evarlast>
Blinny: total bummer. ram is cheap :(
09:03
<Blinny>
ogra: Ah.
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<ogra>
Guaraldo, i wonder how hard it would be to get your script into our ustream code
09:04
Blinny, we always kept beackwards compatoibility in lts.conf as much as we could
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<Blinny>
ogra: I see your point re: file locations. LTSP isn't the only package on the machine though. Sometimes packages change locations. (the Fedora change from /usr/local/ to just /usr)
09:04
ogra: Right-O.
09:04
ogra: Hopefully the LTSP part of my eventual upgrade will be easy, then.
09:04
<ogra>
Blinny, the only massive difference wrt files is that since two years we dont use the evil nonstandard /tftpboot
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<Guaraldo>
ogra: It means many alterations... I'm still trying to understand all the system... To much hacking...
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<Blinny>
Yeh I never liked that.
09:05
<ogra>
the old location ?
09:05
<Guaraldo>
ogra: But very, very simple...
09:05
<Blinny>
Yeah. The one I'm using :P
09:05
<toresbe>
ogra: ...anything? :)
09:06
<ogra>
toresbe, not atm, sorry
09:06* Guaraldo thinks that the simpliest solutions are the best!
09:06
<toresbe>
ok, thanks for the tip...
09:06
<ogra>
and actually i should prepare to leave now ... i'm flying to cyprus in 2h
09:06
<toresbe>
oh, nice!
09:06
<Blinny>
Fun
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<ogra>
not really
09:06
just work ... and i only stay for the one day i ave to hold my talk
09:07* ogra usually doesnt see anything of the many countries he travels to
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<toresbe>
this is steadfastly refusing to work. Very frustrating.
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<muh2000>
how can i install an i386 package on a x86_64 debian installation? it creates only /opt/ltsp-4.2/amd64/ ltsp-build-client --dist i386: E: No such script: /usr/lib/debootstrap/scripts/i386
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<lns>
Can anyone tell me where the default alsa configuration file is kept for all LTSP clients? I'm having a huge issue with 35 thin clients not defaulting to the headphone-jack sense being turned on. I can use alsamixer to turn it on, but it's temp. until you reboot. i need to make this the default.
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<Guaraldo>
lns: Hummm... Maybe thats my problem too... I'll test and issue it... :-D
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<lns>
Guaraldo, thanks...yeah, it's a pretty big thing when 35 students are all using their speakers at the same time and plugging in headphones doesn't do squat ;)
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<Guaraldo>
lns: I have more than 1000 thinclients using sound...
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<lns>
Guaraldo, woo! =)
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<galvarezt>
hi, i have some TC that came with an usb keyboard with a little touch panel (mouse), but i only get vertical motion in the mouse... can you help me please..
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<vagrantc>
lns: write a script and put it in lts.conf using RCFILE_00 ....
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lns: you can probably do it with amixer
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<lns>
vagrantc, can you elaborate/send a url on RCFILE_00?
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<vagrantc>
lns: it's just a pointer to a script that gets run when the client boots
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soooo....
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RCFILE_00=/etc/my-custom-script-thingy
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<lns>
vagrantc, thank you. =)
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<vagrantc>
and /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/my-custom-script-thingy is a script that sets the volume
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i suggest using amixer
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<lns>
i'm MANning amixer...i'll have to see a set of controls from the thin clients to find out which option will set headphone-jack sense on i guess
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<vagrantc>
i was actually experiencing the same problem with some thin clients here at freegeek
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but i didn't even think to look at how to fix it :)
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gotta go...
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<dmorar>
hi, i have one of this keyboards with mouse included, and the right-click button is set up as a key, i can get the keycode, but i dont know how to set it up to work as a mouse button, this is for my thin clients
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<dmorar>
hi, im trying to run xmodmap when a user logs in... how can i do this?.. i've tried inside xinitrc with no success
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im running kdm
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<jammcq>
hey homies
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