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Channel log from 11 August 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<Jenna>
!hi
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<ltspbot>
Jenna: Error: "hi" is not a valid command.
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<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
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<bieb>
hey there _UsUrPeR_
08:02
<_UsUrPeR_>
I'm trying to get the Karmic alpha, but the Ubuntu downloads on the ubuntu.com are 404'ing
08:02
anyone have an alternative?
08:02
morning bieb
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<ogra>
_UsUrPeR_, exact url ?
08:03
<_UsUrPeR_>
http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/karmic/alpha-1/
08:03
the URLs can be viewed from here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/karmic/alpha1
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<ogra>
alpha 1 is a few months old, ise alpha-3
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*use
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<_UsUrPeR_>
ogra: oh. :)
08:04
there we go
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<jkenney_>
i was on here yesterday and asked if there was a way to adjust the ldm login screen to shift everything left or two one monitor
08:34
we have a dual display setup
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and the login box sits in the middle
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of the two and is hard for you to see it
08:37
is there a way to adjust it without having to recomplie it i was told yesterday i would have to download the source code
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<maginot>
good morning ... how to I make the clients stop the beep signal (0x07) ?
08:45
I notice that changing on alsa mixer in the server doesnt alters the clients
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<Gadi>
maginot: try blacklisting the pcspkr module
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<maginot>
thanks Gadi
08:54
<bieb>
Gadi: Hows it going?
08:55
<Gadi>
ok - trying to figure out why ADAM won't talk to my smb/ldap controller correctly
08:55
frustrating
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<bieb>
as frustrating as print.. :D
08:57
I talked to tech support, then had to send an email for the software engineers yesterday
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<bieb>
got a new error this morning.. "Too many failed attempts"
09:01
Gadi: but on a good note.. the rsync.sh worked
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<Gadi>
ah - good to hear
09:02
I am surprised they couldn't help you with print
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<bieb>
the tech support guy I spoke to yesterday said the way I have it should work, so when it didn't he told me he would forward my email to the software engineers, they should know why the error is happening. I was the first person he had hear of with the "Can't prompt for authorization" error
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<cliebow>
Gadi ROCKS!!!
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<jkenney_>
Gadi Thanks for all the help I know have LTSP thin client solution working for the exception of moving the logon screen to the Left side of the screen. Can't I specify for LDM to use only one screen for login then when it switches to X use Both?
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know=now
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sorry
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<Touched>
hello all, i seem to be having an issue where the gdm chooser won't resolve host names
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<bieb>
Gadi: you still around?
11:24
or anyone else that can help me tweak a script that gadi helped me cobble together yesterday. I need to be able to exclude certain users from the script..
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
hi #ltsp
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12:17* vagrantc waves from madrid
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<ogra>
airport ?
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<vagrantc>
a hostel
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<ogra>
ah
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<vagrantc>
catching a flight home tomorrow morning
12:19
ogra: spent a few hours at the torre triana in sevilla today ... you had spent some days there, no?
12:19
<ogra>
yeah
12:20* vagrantc is quite the tourist ... the only place vagrantc visited in sevilla were government offices
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<ogra>
haha
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<panthera>
why am i not surpise by that.. :)
12:20
<NeonLicht>
Hey, vagrantc, have you had any trouble on your way from Sevilla to Madrid? The AVE railway was cut yesterday for the rain!
12:21
<maginot>
is there someway to update my ltsp clients without screewing up my configuration ? (I supposed that ltsp-build-client receive updates)
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<vagrantc>
NeonLicht: i think mine was the first train to ride over the tracks where they had got washed out
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NeonLicht: it looked a little questionable, at best
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<NeonLicht>
I see, vagrantc, so you haven't had any delay or anything?
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<Lns>
maginot, copy your chroot if you're paranoid about updates affecting your customizations
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<vagrantc>
NeonLicht: it was a couple hours late, but it got me here :)
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<NeonLicht>
:-)
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<maginot>
Lns, in fact I have a lot of things installed and tunned for the clients to work, and aren't just 10 or 20 clients so remake the client and all configuration dont worty but if I cant just update the client and some things get changed is less time consuming to fix
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<Lns>
maginot, that was a very confusing run-on statement
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<maginot>
Lns, well ... nevermind, wasn't so big deal anyway
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<Lns>
maginot, you know how to make sure your chroot is up to date, right?
12:27
<maginot>
Lns, no ......
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O.o
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<Lns>
maginot, what's your distribution/release?
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<maginot>
ubuntu 8.10
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<Lns>
hold on
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maginot, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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that should get ya going
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<maginot>
okay, I will take a look... thks
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<Lns>
just replace the instances of 'hardy' with 'intrepid'
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<Ahmuck_>
i'm baaaack:)
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<bieb>
anyone that can help me tweak a script that gadi helped me cobble together yesterday. I need to be able to exclude certain users from the script..
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<Ahmuck_>
a switch is normally faster than a router? no?
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<ltsppbot>
"bieb" pasted "script to tweak..." (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/469
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<vagrantc>
Ahmuck_: sure.
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<Ahmuck_>
hrm, i must have a bad switch. the inet router, if i plug directly into it, works great
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<vagrantc>
might be
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or just a good router :)
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<Ahmuck_>
but if i plug into the switch, the thin clients don't do inet well
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router is linksys wrt54gl with tomato, and the switch is linksys/cisco slm2008
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it's a gigabyte switch
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gigabyte cables
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<Ahmuck_>
think i found my problem. mtu on my nvidia should be 1500 hard set
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<ltsppbot>
"Gadi" pasted "For bieb" (12 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/470
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<bieb>
Gadi: thanks...
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<Ahmuck__>
hrm
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<bieb>
Gadi: what is PGROUP?
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<Gadi>
a variable I made up
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<bieb>
ummm
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ok
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<Ahmuck__>
k, i've got a problem with my ethernet, nothing related to ltsp, but somebody pointed me in the right direction the other day. my ethernet shows eth144
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<coordinador>
CAN-o-SPAM, are you available?
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i have good news
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<Lns>
Gadi: you need to stop tricking people with your made up variables... lol
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LTSP_DONT_HANDLE_WAFFLES = False
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<vagrantc>
especially negation booleans
13:48
<_UsUrPeR_>
Lns: I could have SWORN the 1520 handled waffles
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<Lns>
it does...that's why you have the var - for all other clients ;)
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<vagrantc>
wouldn't that be LTSP_DONT_HANDLE_WAFFLES = True ?
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<Lns>
err..yeah. sorry about the misinformation
13:51* vagrantc wonders when WAFFLE support will be ported to arm
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns, Vagrantc: LTSP By The Sea?
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<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: which sea? :)
13:54
<Lns>
atlantic this year right? =)
13:54
<vagrantc>
i think BTS has always been atlantic, no?
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<Lns>
I should book my flight/room now that i have a bit of extra cash
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
correctomundo
13:54
wiki.ltsp.org
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<epsas_>
is there a conference?
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for ltsp?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
epsas_: it's a small developers conference, yes. October 22nd - 25th in Maine
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<Lns>
epsas_: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/ByTheSea2009 :)
13:55
aww, developers only? :(
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<epsas_>
when i get some breathing room, i'd like to start developing
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: testers, hackers, and clowns alike
13:56* Lns wants to go but doesn't want to have to put on a cheerleader's uniform
13:56* CAN-o-SPAM certainly is not a software based Developer
13:56* CAN-o-SPAM wears a male cheerleader's outfit proudly for LTSP
13:56
<Ahmuck_>
i'm a clown. i'll be there :)
13:57* Lns would like to think of himself as a developer of visionary ideas ;)
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<epsas_>
i would have to cover the expenses myself... as I work for a non-profit
13:57
but I think I would like to go
13:57
most of you all probably work for non-profits as well
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<Lns>
If anyone wants to share expenses on a car/room from the airport to the motel, i'm game
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<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: alas, i think it'll be too soon to take time off work so soon after my current travels
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
If you are interested, sign up on the Wiki. The schedule or plan is not in concrete yet
13:57* CAN-o-SPAM sighs at vagrantc
13:59* Ahmuck_ converting the lab to not for profit soon
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM: schedule not concrete? the days will be the same though right, for those who want to book flights/rooms..?
13:59* Ahmuck_ found my nic problem
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: should not have said schedule
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<Lns>
ah
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: the dates are set
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<Lns>
coolio
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CAN-o-SPAM: i see you're looking for a rideshare!
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
vagrantc: i just added you to the BTS attendees list ... so your all set! Ok? :)
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<Lns>
hahaha
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<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: heh. you'll have to send a clone to freegeek
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<Lns>
vagrantc: i'm sure you could create a small shell script to replace you for a day, no?
14:01* CAN-o-SPAM was sadly informed that FreeGeek in Detroit has fallen apart
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<epsas_>
vagrantc - there will be TREES to climb over there
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<vagrantc>
epsas_: i can't fathom them being larger than the trees i've climbed in the northwest
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<epsas_>
probably not
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<vagrantc>
CAN-o-SPAM: yeah, getting them started is often rocky once people realize how much work it really is
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<Ahmuck_>
CAN-o-SPAM: what was FreeGeek?
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Ahmuck_ : PC Donations & Recycling
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<Ahmuck_>
ah. well i can understand this
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i do refurbs for the community, donations, etc. and unless people are bringing them to me i don't pick them up anymore
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<epsas_>
aka: Hard Work
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<Ahmuck_>
it doesn't pay
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
right
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<Lns>
hmmm, my gdmvncinetdssh doesn't work anymore...
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<epsas_>
MODEM Friendly
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hehe... from seawallmotel.com
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<Lns>
wonder if there are any local BBSes.. ;)
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<ltsppbot>
"bieb" pasted "gadi" (10 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/471
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<Gadi>
you have a syntax error
14:35
a space between the $ and (
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<bieb>
on first line?
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<Gadi>
line 3
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the PGROUP line
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<bieb>
stoopid syntaxes.. they should know what I want.. :D
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<Lns>
anyone using my handy gdm/vnc/inetd/ssh howto to connect to remote servers?
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<johnny>
no...
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i only use ssh :)
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<Lns>
minimalist :)
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<johnny>
well.. that's the only way i know how to do things
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sorry
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none of my servers run a gui
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<Lns>
=p
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<johnny>
only one of them is an ltsp server tho
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the rest are web :)
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or email
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no need for gui for that stuff
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<Lns>
this is too weird..half of my servers give me the wretched gray fuzz screen w/X cursor, the others are giving me gdm...some of them are using the same updated packages...
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<johnny>
and if i did need a gui..it'd be web based
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<Lns>
I need a gui because that's what the students use :) wish i could take over the classes and teach the shell though
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<rjune>
Lns, GUi is a requirement for most modern computers
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<johnny>
it's not a requirement for computers.. it's a requirement for people
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<rjune>
yes, because computers do things for themselves.
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<johnny>
my computer is modern :)
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<rjune>
They do things at the request of people, for people.
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<johnny>
it doesn't have a gui :)
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<rjune>
Your desktop doesn't have a GUI?
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<johnny>
my desktop does..
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but not my server
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<Lns>
i have a gui on my desktop, i spilled a beer on it last week =p
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<atomic007za>
if windows ran in DOS/Shell it would not crash ;-P
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<johnny>
sure it would..
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it used to.. and take the whole thing down :)
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not just one program
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there was no "golden age" of dos
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dos has always sucked
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<rjune>
LOL
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<Lns>
DR-DOS was awesome
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<johnny>
if you say so
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<atomic007za>
Dirty Operting System lol
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<Lns>
what was that multitasker...qdesk?
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<johnny>
atomic007za, close.. the original was QDOS
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quick and dirty operating system
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<atomic007za>
lol
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<johnny>
then it became disk operating system
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see.. they based it off of cpm instead of unix
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and that's where things went awry
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<Lns>
C:\> DOS... C:\> DOS RUN... RUN DOS RUN
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<johnny>
we'd be living in a completely different paradigm in operating systems now
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<atomic007za>
well maybe if they did bill gates would "own" a large part of linux
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<johnny>
if only they would have used unix
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<atomic007za>
and we would have to buy it
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<Lns>
i wish i was a little bit taller, i wish i was a baller..i wish i had a rabbit in a hat with a bat, and a 6-4 impala
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<johnny>
well.. bell owned a large part of unix..
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and yet we still have unix
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atomic007za, we'd all be using bsd instead of linux probably
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<atomic007za>
hmmm
14:50
true
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<johnny>
and bell was a worse monopolizer than ms ever has been
14:50
if you put things in perspective
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<atomic007za>
I was not around then....
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<johnny>
neither was i
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<atomic007za>
I rocked up with win 95 c version
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<johnny>
or at least too young to understand any such things
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i started computers with win95
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i got my first in 97
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<Lns>
johnny: how old are you?
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<johnny>
29
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<Lns>
i thought i was the youngin' here at 29
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heh
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<johnny>
i didn't get my first until i was like 17
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<Lns>
I <3 my old C=64
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<atomic007za>
psst, dont want to get onto the age thing...some ppl were aroung then, we will make them feel older
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jonny: 32 in 5 days
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<Lns>
atomic007za: happy b-day in 5 days!
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<atomic007za>
I was born the day and year Elvis died
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thank you lns
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<Lns>
wow
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that must be why youtube is doing an elvis thing on their music tuesday thing
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<atomic007za>
my daughter will oneday come to an IRC room and say I got my 1st 1.7 gig cel when I was 5....and ppl will probably wonder what a celeron was
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<Lns>
celery
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<atomic007za>
lady Di was born on the 15 August
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FYI
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<johnny>
my laptop is a 1.5ghz pentium m..
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<alkisg>
kids, it's time to go to bed :D
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<johnny>
hardly better than your daughter computer :)
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<atomic007za>
lol
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<johnny>
it's still runnin
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it's about years old now
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<atomic007za>
I am sure all the keys work on yours thow
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<johnny>
i had to replace the keyboard a month ago
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cuz i spilled stuff on it
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<atomic007za>
I stuck a usb mouse and k/board in the she can play Gcompris
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<johnny>
while trying to navigate through a door that was locked.. but shouldn't have been
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first night in the new apartment
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<atomic007za>
beer?
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<johnny>
turns out the door had no jamb.. so if you closed it against the wall.. it would lock
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so i had a drink, and my laptop. trying to open the door
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and oops..
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<atomic007za>
ouch
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<johnny>
luckily the stupid tax was cheap on that one
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$14 on ebay
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with shipping
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got a used keyboard.. and all is well now
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<atomic007za>
the keyboard for mine would be about 150 USD
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<johnny>
well.. new.. i'm not sure how much.. but definitely more than that
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i'm sure this one was ripped out of a machine with a bad display or somethin
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or dead cpu
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<atomic007za>
You were lucky
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<johnny>
yep
15:00
this laptop still runs fedora nicely
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<johnny>
altho i have to use the nvidia drivers :(
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so i can use the tvout..
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nouveau doesn't have tv out yet
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<atomic007za>
ic
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<johnny>
but the nvidia drivers are at least reliable and easy to install.. so that's ok until the nouveau stuff is worked out
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<Lns>
how the heck am i supposed to troubleshoot vnc not working when other servers are configured exactly the same?!
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<alkisg>
Lns, maybe you have italc installed on that one?
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<Lns>
nope
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don't have italc on any of them
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<alkisg>
Btw, did you try freenx? I tried it last week and I forgot all about vnc :)
15:06
<Lns>
alkisg: i'm waiting to hear what the word is on neatX to make the switch :)
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<alkisg>
I don't think it's actively developed
15:07
<Lns>
and actually just dropped a q in #nx asking if NX does screen sharing
15:07
<alkisg>
So if you like neatx as it is, fine, but if not I don't think it's gonna be better any time soon
15:07
<Lns>
weird since they just announced it
15:08
<alkisg>
Yeah, and they said that it was an internal project and only 1 developer is working on it on his free time, not paid for that
15:08
<Ahmuck_>
k, got my nic's to stay in one place, eth0 and eth1, however now none of my thin clients will boot
15:09
<atomic007za>
Ahmuck: did you start dhcp server?
15:09
<Lns>
Ahmuck: make sure /etc/default/dhcp3-server is set to the right interface
15:09
if the two got swapped at any point
15:10
<alkisg>
ogra will cut the hand of anyone touching /etc/default/dhcp3-server, it's supposed to be left as it is for autodetection
15:11
<atomic007za>
it will have to be change if not using that IP range
15:11
<Ahmuck_>
let me post pastebin's of what's going on
15:11
<Lns>
alkisg: ?? what autodetects it?
15:12
<alkisg>
Lns, dhcp3-server autodetects which nic to use by looking at the ranges in dhcpd.conf, and looking at the ethX IPs
15:12
<Lns>
alkisg: well it surely didn't autodetect my bond0 interface when i bonded eth0 and eth1 together...
15:12
<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20289
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<alkisg>
Lns: ok, and that also won't work if eth0 and eth1 use the same subnet - ogra's advice is for the default installation (2 nics, no bonding etc)
15:13
<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20290
15:13
<Lns>
alkisg: eth0 and eth1 don't have IPs as they are slaves to the bond0 virtual interface
15:14
The fact is that both topologies are totally legit and should be dealt with accordingly
15:14
<alkisg>
Yeah I know, I've used bonding with 4 nics. dhcp3-server could be more clever and autodetect even that, though... anyway not the case here.
15:15
pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 ==> Ahmuck_ what does that do?
15:15
<Lns>
sets an invalid mac? :)
15:15
<Ahmuck_>
keeps it from incrementing eth1 eth2 eth3 ... eth144
15:16
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619483
15:16
ya, the 000000:00:00:00 is not correct
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck_: anyway. Is dhcp3-server running? sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server status
15:18
<Ahmuck_>
ur right, not running
15:19
why wouldn't it be running? it was running ealier before the power problem
15:20
<alkisg>
Btw, "pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00 " ==> you have both times eth0, you don't have eth1 in the second time, I don't know what you're supposed to be doing there, just noticing...
15:20
Ahmuck_: upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf and /etc/default/dhcp3-server to pastebin
15:21
<Ahmuck_>
i think i might know. i fixed it so that eth144 was again eth0
15:21
<Lns>
TOO weird..my vnc issue was dns related (downed primary dns, commented it out in /etc/resolv.conf and it works fine now)
15:22
vnc4server must time out when doing a lookup or something...
15:22
<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20291
15:23
alkisg: rebooting
15:23
i think you might have caught it
15:23* Ahmuck_ hopes
15:23
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_ no need for reboot
15:23
<atomic007za>
how do you a an action?
15:23
<alkisg>
networking stop, edit interfaces, networking start...
15:23
<johnny>
this is linux :)
15:24
not windows :)
15:24
<Ahmuck_>
i'm not as smart as you all
15:24
<johnny>
/etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
15:24
<Ahmuck_>
well, older maybe
15:24
<atomic007za>
=>
15:24
<alkisg>
Familiarity with a specific OS has nothing to do with inteligence :)
15:25
<Lns>
alkisg: timeless words!
15:25
<Ahmuck_>
i'm windows familiar
15:25
<johnny>
he probably meant.. not as smart about linux
15:25
<Lns>
too many people falsely believe they are "geniuses" when people constantly tell them they are because they know where to click
15:25
<alkisg>
(i'd have an IQ of -100 if that wasn't true, because I'm *too* familiar with windows :D)
15:25
<johnny>
Lns, i only know enough to know i don't know enough :)
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<Lns>
johnny: =)
15:26
<johnny>
everybody around me does call me a genius though
15:26* atomic007za jump
15:26
<atomic007za>
i did it
15:26
<Lns>
What got me was when i was first learning about *nix and got the book "Learn Unix in 24 hours" - a ~300-400 page book... and the introduction read, "I am NOT an expert in Unix".. and I laughed
15:27
<johnny>
nobody is an expert at unix
15:27
if anybody say they are.. that is the indication that they aren't :)
15:27
<Lns>
well back then i was like, 'how do you create a 400 page book about an OS and not be an "expert" in it??'
15:27
but now i know better :)
15:27
<johnny>
i'd just say.. i'm pretty decent :)
15:28
so.. i'm wondering if i can build a career on triage and being helpful..
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<atomic007za>
i did it again
15:28
<johnny>
i don't like starting projects from scratch
15:28
in fact.. i never really have..
15:28
i always take somebody elses scaffolding
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<alkisg>
johnny: you won't know the feeling unless you try, though
15:29
<johnny>
general programmer disease.. is NIH
15:29
i'm the oppsite
15:29
opposite*
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<alkisg>
The first 5000 "thank you" letters for a project I'd done were very warming
15:30
<johnny>
so.. i wonder if there is a career for someone like me who knows all the lingo.. and knows how the pieces fit together.. and loves to move code from local to upstream :)
15:30
<Ahmuck_>
NIH ?
15:30
<johnny>
not invented here
15:30
<Ahmuck_>
blah, still no cookie
15:30
<johnny>
aka reinventing the wheel
15:30
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_ take it slow. First, upload /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf to pastebin.
15:31
<johnny>
alkisg, i get enough thank yous for solving long standing bugs
15:31
or cleaning up a crazy bugtracker..
15:31
<atomic007za>
Ok ppl, I am out of here, need to reload my gui desktop aka XP
15:31
<alkisg>
Mmmm right that's similar...
15:31
<johnny>
there were over 500 tickets.. i'm down to 300 something
15:31
<atomic007za>
cheers
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<alkisg>
Ciao
15:31
<johnny>
after removing dupes, and stuff that was already fixed
15:32
and then marking some as needinfo.. got about 40 of those now
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<johnny>
after 4 weeks they become closed
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<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20292
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<johnny>
alkisg, because of stuff like that.. it becomes easier for the project developer to get a handle on what is actually left to do
15:33
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_: ok, now upload the result of: ifconfig -a
15:33
<johnny>
i think the pileup had gotten so big.. he kinda gave up on it for awhile
15:33
except to trawl for additions to milestons
15:33
<alkisg>
johnny: sure, it would be nice if there were paid jobs to do such things.... are there?
15:34
<johnny>
well.. sorta
15:34
<Lns>
johnny: you should contact canonical
15:34
i know i'd love to see more action in launchpad
15:34
<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20293
15:34
<johnny>
there aren't any active jobs for that kinda thing atm..
15:34
there were tho
15:34
Lns, i'd prefer to see canonical and other companies donate to linux fund
15:35
and work for them instead
15:35
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_: your problem is that eth1 doesn't have an ip
15:35
<Lns>
well they're all helping linux in their own way
15:35
<alkisg>
Run: sudo invoke-rc.d networking stop
15:35
<johnny>
sure.. but stuff doesn't get back upstream as often as it should
15:35
<alkisg>
Then: gksu gedit /etc/network/interfaces
15:35
<Lns>
johnny: which is why you should help out :)
15:35
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_: Then, *uncomment* this: # iface eth1 inet static
15:35
(=remove the #)
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Save, and do: sudo invoke-rc.d networking start
15:36
Then: sudo invoke-rc.d dhcp3-server restart
15:36
<johnny>
Lns, that's what i'm doing for gajim
15:36
i think i only use 4 apps day to day really
15:36
evolution, gajim, a terminal, and firefox
15:36
<Lns>
you use evolution?!
15:36* Lns drops his jaw
15:36
<johnny>
yes
15:37
got the rss feed
15:37
<Ahmuck_>
will the pre-up work?
15:37
<johnny>
Lns, i use it for the promise of DE integration
15:37
via evolution-data-server and whatnot
15:37
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_ I don't know, but it surely won't work if you don't have an ip
15:37
<johnny>
we haven't quite reached that promise.. so i might switch to mutt at some point
15:37
if we don't soon
15:37
altho gnome-shell, zeitgest and whatnot might keep me there
15:37* alkisg thinks evolution is a *great* app (that badly needs webkit :))
15:38
<johnny>
evolution doesn't support managesieve which is sad
15:38
nor imap idle
15:38
<Lns>
I hate how gnome only integrates parts with evolution and doesn't give choice (like calendar appointments only work w/evolution and not sunbird)
15:38
<Ahmuck_>
http://pastebin.be/20294
15:38
<johnny>
that isn't true
15:38
you can use tasks for that
15:38
which is a minimal app just for tasks
15:38
that talks to eds
15:38
<Lns>
?
15:38
tell me more johnny
15:39
<johnny>
Lns, ther'es a whole set of apps that are basically minimal versions of what evo supports
15:39
<Lns>
reeeally
15:39
<johnny>
Lns, that's the point of evolution-data-server!
15:39
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_ put a # before the pre-up to comment it out
15:39
<Lns>
heh..i always thought it was like an IE style integration of evolution < - > gnome
15:39* Lns starts googling
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<alkisg>
Ahmuck_ I don't think those pre-ups do anything useful there. Not sure, but I don't think so.
15:40
<johnny>
Lns, there's even some tomboy integration, but not sure how good it us
15:40
it is*
15:40
<Lns>
meh..i lost faith in tomboy
15:40
<Ahmuck_>
nope
15:40
<johnny>
Lns, eventually you'll see a merging of what evolution can do.with what empathy can do
15:40
into a shared pim solution
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<johnny>
Lns, i'm interested to see how zeitgest and the new tracker will play together in the long term
15:41
with evo that is
15:41
because that's what i'm looking for
15:41
<Lns>
eww, tracker is still around?
15:41
<johnny>
yes.. and much better
15:41
<Lns>
sorry..haven't used it in ages
15:41
<johnny>
.7 should kick ass
15:42
.6.. not so good
15:42
.7 uses the same thing as what kde's social stuff will do
15:42
<Lns>
i'll have to give it a go on my jaunty box
15:42
<johnny>
the rdf nepomuk ontology
15:42
.7 isn't done yet
15:42
should be for karmic though hopefully
15:42
<Lns>
cool :)
15:42
johnny: you have restored my faith in the direction of evolution and gnome :)
15:43
<coordinador>
somebody from Disless Workstations?
15:43
*Diskless
15:43
<johnny>
Lns, i subscribe to planet.gnome.org and planet.freedesktop.org
15:43
i recommend you do so too
15:43
and also linux.ars
15:44
phoronix is a good place as well
15:44
that keeps me up to date for the most part
15:44
<Lns>
i guess i need to get into RSS feeds now.. :)
15:44* Lns is so old sk00l
15:44
<johnny>
i use the evolution-rss plugin.. it's kinda slow..but does the job
15:44
but you could just go with google reader, or the standalone liferea
15:44
<Lns>
any recommended panel applets?
15:45
<johnny>
well.. i use the mail notification applet
15:45
and since evolution-rss uses evo mailboxes
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<johnny>
i can get watches for them
15:45
but i think liferea has a panel applet too
15:45
<Lns>
installing liferea..
15:46
<johnny>
i use evolution-rss + mail notification applet to watch woot additions during a wootoff
15:46* alkisg uses google calendar auto-synced with evolution, and gets free SMS notifications for everything :D
15:46
<johnny>
Lns, all decent rss readers support opml files, so you can import/export feed lists at will between programs
15:46
<Ahmuck_>
ATTRS{address}=="af:52:de:7d:1d:00", NAME="eth0"
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ID=="0000:00:06.0", NAME="eth0"
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<johnny>
so if a program stops being updated.. you'll still be able to move to another
15:47
<Ahmuck_>
does it matter if it's speced out by mac address or by pci id ?
15:47
<Lns>
johnny: liferea does this?
15:47
<johnny>
yes
15:47
my gf uses it
15:47
<Lns>
cool. man...lots of feeds by default there. great...another app to waste my time hahahhaa
15:47
<johnny>
i also use that to subscribe to change feeds
15:47
<Ahmuck_>
taking the pre-up out kills eth1
15:48
<johnny>
for ltsp and gajim
15:48* Lns jumps into the RSS world
15:49
<johnny>
Lns, imo it saves time.. i hate going to every page to read all new things
15:49
<alkisg>
Ahmuck_: so now it's renamed to eth2?
15:49
Try again: ifconfig -a
15:49
<Ahmuck_>
nope, it's not there
15:49
<Lns>
johnny: yeah, now i don't have to visit slashdot :)
15:49
holy crap this is cool =)
15:49
<Ahmuck_>
ifconfig -a shows eth1
15:51
<johnny>
Lns, gnomefiles is also a good place
15:51
i have osnews, gnomefiles, phoronix, planet fedora, planet freedesktop, planet gentoo, planet gnome
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<Ahmuck_>
*sigh*
15:53
<johnny>
boing boing, linode, digg (sadly),planet jabber, woot, foreign policy, various one travel light sites, et
15:53
etc*
15:53
<Lns>
johnny: thanks!
15:54
<johnny>
Lns, and the ltsp changelog stuff is useful too.. so you can see what is actually being committed
15:54
i can give you the url for that
15:54
<Lns>
johnny: yeah can you?
15:54
<Ahmuck_>
alkisg_bbl: give up?
15:54
<johnny>
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/atom
15:55
<Lns>
=)
15:55
<johnny>
i'm not sure of the path to ldm and ltspfs tho
15:55
<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ no but I don't even know why you had to put the pre-up there in the first place.
15:55
<johnny>
you can find them when you go to the code browsing and pick changes link
15:55
<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ I don't know if eth1 has an IP now (it didn't before)...
15:55
<Ahmuck_>
to keep it from going eth1 eth2 eth3 eth4, etc
15:55
<johnny>
Lns, if you see the rss icon in firefox, just click on it, and copy the url into liferea
15:55
<Ahmuck_>
however on that interface, i've not had that problem
15:55
<johnny>
Lns, also.. sage rss is an in browser rss reader..
15:55
i forgot about that
15:55
<Ahmuck_>
however if i don't have it in there, i don't get an eth1
15:55
<johnny>
so it's a firefox extension
15:56
<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ It didn't say anything like this in the link you sent me, it only said about net-rules
15:56
<Lns>
i guess that'd be logical to use too
15:56
<Ahmuck_>
it doesn't now, now there is no eth1
15:56
<johnny>
i'd love to do all mine web based. but i don't need google to know all the feeds i read
15:56
<Ahmuck_>
hrm, were misunderstanding each other somewhere
15:56
<johnny>
and i don't have a good open source app for that on the web side.. yet
15:56
Lns, of course. there is always rss -> email
15:56
many options for that
15:56
<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ but you do have eth1, you say that ifconfig -a shows it
15:57
<Ahmuck_>
alkisg_bbl: ah, yes, it was further down
15:57
<johnny>
but it's cleaner to use something meant for the task
15:57
<Lns>
rather not do the e-mail..i have trouble keeping my inbox down as it is
15:57
<Ahmuck_>
in the article
15:57
<johnny>
Lns, liferea supports podcasts too btw
15:57
<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ anyway I'll be back in 20', if you want to wait... bbl :)
15:57
<Ahmuck_>
alkisg_bbl: yes, ifconfig -a shows eth1, however ifconfig shows only eth0
15:57
<johnny>
as does the evo reader
15:57
<Lns>
and filters won't help much because i'll just not read them in there either =p
15:57
<Ahmuck_>
ok
15:57
i'll wait
15:58
<johnny>
Lns, you can also "bookmark" entries to read later.. and set it to delete all older entries
15:58
ok.. see this is what i want to be good at.. and get paid for.. introducing people to new things :)
15:58
<Ahmuck_>
* Deconfiguring network interfaces... /etc/network/interfaces:11: misplaced option
15:58
ifdown: couldn't read interfaces file "/etc/network/interfaces"
15:58
[fail]
15:59
any idea what 11: misplaced option is ?
15:59
<johnny>
[fail]
15:59
lol
15:59
<Ahmuck_>
:p
15:59
<johnny>
line 11
15:59
my guess anyways
15:59
<Ahmuck_>
pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:6c:6a:19:35
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<johnny>
i don't know the syntax
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<Ahmuck_>
odd, that is the nic that is working
16:00
is it not able to read the interfaces file because it's saying it doesn't understand this line and therefore won't push the network down?
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<Lns>
Ahmuck: probably...do you have the pre-up command in the right place? dunno if it's required before/after any other options
16:01
<johnny>
Ahmuck, i think so..
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<Ahmuck_>
is there a way to disable a particular onboard nic?
16:05
it might be easier for me to just get some different nics and put them in the puter
16:05
<Lns>
Ahmuck: the bios?
16:06
<Ahmuck_>
Lns: yes! /me forgot that option
16:06
so throwing two 3com nics in the machine, ubuntu ltsp will auto configure?
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<coordinador>
somebody from Diskless Workstations?
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<Lns>
_UsUrPeR_: ^^ ? (i forgot, are you?)
16:14
<coordinador>
humm i think usurper is not available
16:15
somebody else from diskless workstations?
16:17
<Lns>
coordinador: you could always call them ;)
16:18
<coordinador>
im in chile
16:18
haha
16:20
<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "/etc/network/interfaces for Ahmuck" (34 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/472
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<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_ try with this file for interfaces ^^^
16:21
At least the error is in the last line, so eth1 should work.
16:21
(if you insist on putting pre-ups, that is...)
16:23
(btw, in the forum, the person there puts the nic mac address, not zeroes...)
16:23
(i.e. pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af)
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<Ahmuck_>
k, the pre-up is the problem
16:28
well, the pre-up is there because i found a how to to fix the nvidia problem with the nics
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<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_: where's that how to? You only gave the forum link here.
16:33
<Ahmuck_>
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=619483 - towards the bottom
16:34
someone mentioned that it might be network manager that might be overwriting what i'm doing in /etc/network/interfaces and i should "sudo aptitude remove network-manager"
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<alkisg_bbl>
Ahmuck_: where, in that topic, does it say to put zeros for mac addresss?
16:34
I don't see it anywhere, and I've searched for 00:00:00...
16:35
Copy/paste the sentence here, so that I can search for it.
16:35
<Ahmuck_>
pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af
16:36
<alkisg_bbl>
(12:21:36 πμ) alkisg: (btw, in the forum, the person there puts the nic mac address, not zeroes...)
16:36
(12:21:53 πμ) alkisg: (i.e. pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:1d:7d:de:52:af)
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<Ahmuck_>
alkisg_bbl: i guess this is really about networking and i should take it somewhere else
16:37
<alkisg_bbl>
That's what I've been saying all along, that it's wrong to put zeroes in /etc/network/interfaces
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<Ahmuck_>
i don't have zero's there
16:38
it's there to keep my mac address private which i just blew
16:38
<alkisg>
http://pastebin.be/20290 ==> pre-up ifconfig eth0 hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:00
16:38
Bah....
16:38
OK you just killed us all :)
16:38
<Ahmuck_>
yes, that pastebin was for the world. the 00 designate where the mac address should go
16:40
i need to look around the web some more and see if there is a more graceful way to do this. that line is causing problems
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<bieb>
ok.. I have an issue with samba printing and my clients. ubuntu9.04, I also am authenticating users against Active Directory. The 2 print queues that the students need are on a windows box, when I set up the printer and leave it to "Prompt" for authentication and a user tries to print they get an error message stating "unable to prompt for authorization"
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<Ahmuck_>
how does ltsp work on windows boxes ?
16:44
<johnny>
hmm?
16:44
it works fine with active directory in some ways
16:45
and with printers on windows
16:45
just fine..
16:45
usually
16:45
but he's doing some billing stuff
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<bieb>
johnny: yeah your right.. we have a print management/charge system
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<bieb>
johnny: any ideas?? :D
16:48
<Ahmuck_>
ping
16:48
<bieb>
pong
16:49
<Ahmuck_>
k, i reset it back to the old way, i guess i'll have to deal with ever increasing eth for now
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does ubuntu have some type of appendix, or here is a list of devices and fixes for them?
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Ahmuck_: to set the hw ethernet address, you don't have to run "ifconfig" on pre-up, you may put this line after auto eth0: hwaddress ether 00:1b:24:89:65:d3
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