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Channel log from 4 October 2013   (all times are UTC)

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06:39
<urly>
hi! I have a sound issue, no local sound on clients. More exactly, sound seems to break when I start running any kind of sound client app. Some idea ?
06:40
<work_alkisg>
Which distro/version? Are you using localapps?
06:41
<urly>
ubuntu 12.04 64 for the server, image 32 non-pae, localapps true
06:43
<work_alkisg>
Does sound work when you don't use any localapps?
06:46
<urly>
localapps is set to true but I don't use anyone. So no. Do you have sound at greeter or login ? I don't
06:48
On 10.04 I have sound at greeter with the same thin clients
06:52
<vagrantc>
might be related to https://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk/revision/2483
06:52
fairly easy to patch manually
06:52
it's a one-line patch
06:54
<urly>
I know yet this trick but it doesn't work for me
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07:19
<urly>
vagrantc I'm doing a fresh install right now 12.04.3 64 desktop with a ltsp-server-standalone to retry the module-suspend-on-idle setting
07:24
<vagrantc>
good luck! :)
07:31
<work_alkisg>
vagrantc: hi! do you think I should disable launchpad translation commits for ltsp-trunk, and to only enable them temporarily when we want to tag a new version? like we currently do for ldm-trunk?
07:33
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: seems like it...
07:33
work_alkisg: or switch back to a translation branch that we manually merge?
07:34
or rather than switching back, switching to?
07:34
then we can merge commits into batches, so they only show up as merge commits
07:34
<work_alkisg>
That will also do - although I'm not quite sure how to do it, so if you could, it'd be nice :)
07:35* vagrantc wonders if launchpad has a way to auto-merge branches
07:35
<vagrantc>
kind of like mirror, but if it diverges, merge instead.
07:35
that would be perfect.
07:36
<work_alkisg>
Hmm yeah there will be need to sync the translations branch with the main branch once in a while...
07:36
...so it might be easier to just disable translation commits, and only enable them a bit before tagging
07:37
<vagrantc>
can people still translated it, but it just doesn't auto-commit?
07:37
<work_alkisg>
Yes
07:37
<vagrantc>
oh, that'd be perfect
07:37
<work_alkisg>
I'll try temporarily reenabling ldm-trunk translation commits for 2 days (the weekend), to see the effect in action
07:37
Hopefully it will do a couple of commits with all the translations done in the last months when it was disabled
07:38
<vagrantc>
rather than thousands of commits
07:40
what if w just branched off a separate branch, called ltsp-translations, let it collect translations, and merge between the two as we felt like it?
07:57
<work_alkisg>
I think that has more burden for us, because we'll need to merge both ways instead of one way
07:57
<vagrantc>
true
07:57
although the merge into the translation branch could be automated...
07:57
work_alkisg: but i like your first proposal good enough... hopefully it won't flood the branch with lots of little commits
07:58
<work_alkisg>
Let's see what ldm-trunk does this weekend when I'll reenable translation commits
07:58* work_alkisg was to go AFK for a while, bbl! :)
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08:45
<Hyperbyte>
nnn
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12:12
<cosimo_>
ciau
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13:10
<markit>
!seen alkisg
13:10
<ltsp>
alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 15 hours, 57 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <alkisg> ...why not let everything get automounted to <client>/media like usual, and then forward all the /media directory to the server?
13:11
<markit>
!seen phantomas
13:11
<ltsp>
phantomas was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 12 hours, 17 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <Phantomas> (ubuntu)
13:12
<markit>
hi, anyone fighting with the printer (cups) problem that makes printer disappear if you keep a LiBo document open more than 20 minutes? ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048 )
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13:53
<edwin_>
good morning everyone
13:54
does anyone here has a ubuntu 12.10 ltsp enviroment working with thin clients?
13:54
my problem is get flash to work with local firefox or chrome
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13:58
<edwin_>
anyone?/
13:58
<alkisg>
Sure, it's working out of the box here with ltsp-pnp
13:58
!ltsp-pnp
13:58
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
14:01
<edwin_>
yeah but that means everything is running in the server
14:01
my problem is with local firefox
14:01
if I open it normally it works like charm
14:01
<alkisg>
No, it runs on local firefox
14:04
<edwin_>
what do you mean it runs local ?
14:07
<alkisg>
It runs like an ltsp localapps on the ltsp client
14:07
I mean the same thing that you mean. The only difference is that we're using fat clients and you're using localapps, but that's essentially the same method.
14:07
LOCALAPPS=True + firefox is the same as LTSP_FATCLIENT=True + firefox.
14:08
And flash is working fine this way.
14:08
<edwin_>
oook
14:11
lets say I have a ubuntu 12.10 installation already
14:11
isn't there a way to solve this
14:11
just make youtube work!!!!!!!
14:11
<alkisg>
You probably didn't install flash correctly in the chroot
14:12
<edwin_>
apt-get install adobe-flashplugin
14:13
after ltsp-chroot
14:13
<alkisg>
No, flashplugin-installer
14:15
<edwin_>
let me try that
14:17
anything else that needs to be isntall?
14:19
<alkisg>
No idea, ubuntu chroots have --no-install-recomments and cause a lot of problems, that's why we're not using them
14:19
(one of the many reasons)
14:19
<edwin_>
which distro you use?
14:21
<alkisg>
Ubuntu but with the debian version of LTSP, see the link above
14:22
<edwin_>
what about fedora?
14:26
<alkisg>
They don't actively maintain ltsp there
14:28
<edwin_>
got it
14:29
I foloowing the link you gave right now
14:29
be back with more question hehehee
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14:52
<markit>
hi alkisg :)
14:52
<alkisg>
hi markit
14:52
<markit>
I've a problem (for ltsp) and a request (for epoptes)
14:52
the problem first :)
14:52
I've not faced it yet, but did a friend of mine
14:53
"anyone fighting with the printer (cups) problem that makes printer disappear if you keep a LiBo document open more than 20 minutes? ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libreoffice/+bug/1020048 )"
14:53
did you faced it too and maybe solved?
14:53
<alkisg>
There's a workaround proposed there
14:53
<markit>
yep, increase the timeout
14:53
but is also stated that creates other problem (i.e. with adobe acrobat reader if I recall correctly, that I don't use but my friend probably does)
14:54
<alkisg>
What problem with reader?
14:54
<markit>
wondering if you are going to backport the cups fix in your greek repo by chance
14:54
let me re-read the post
14:54
<alkisg>
I didn't experience the problem myself, and the one that does is very far away, so I can't test easily
14:56
<markit>
"Any news of when this might be fixed? Increasing the CUPS timeout apparently caused problems with Acrobat Reader so that's not an option for us."
14:56
ok, I will tell my friend to increase timeout and cross his fingers :)
14:57
alkisg: I've been asked if epoptes could be used in a "linguistic laboratory", the main features necessary are
14:57
(let me translate from italian)
14:58
"one or more users can talk to the mic and the other can listen but not speak themselves"
14:58
and
14:58
"the teacher can speak, play and audio or video file and everyone can hear in the headphones with mic muted"
14:58
<alkisg>
Nah, you'd need bigbluebutton for that
14:59
<markit>
videoconference?
14:59
<alkisg>
Yeah
14:59
<markit>
mmm interesting
14:59
<alkisg>
There's computer management, and there's lesson management
14:59
<markit>
did not thought about it
14:59
<alkisg>
...I think we'll stick to the computer management for epoptes
15:00
No "sending activities, receiving them, grading them, conferences..." etc
15:00
<markit>
I see
15:00
<alkisg>
For opensource, that's the best one: http://www.bigbluebutton.org/
15:00
For closed source... google hangouts :)
15:00
They even allow for live streaming over youtube to thousands of users
15:00
<markit>
can't read your second sentence ;P
15:01
<alkisg>
:D
15:01
<markit>
you should update epoptes roadmap
15:01
<alkisg>
Not me, phantomas :)
15:01
<markit>
btw, be able to distribute files is not planned then?
15:01
(I think "activities" you mentioned is that)
15:02
<alkisg>
Some of the closed source "alternatives" to epoptes support sending activities,
15:02
this isn't the same as sending files,
15:02
because activities are per student, not per pc, they support grades etc
15:03
With sch-scripts' "shared-folders" feature, sending and receiving files is not very important anymore, that's why we're not in a hurry to implement it
15:04
And with x11vnc -threads, multicasting isn't very important either
15:04
etc etc :)
15:05
<markit>
but we (the world) don't use sch-scripts, so something is needed by us... hope phanthomas has some time (and you agree in) doing some improvements
15:06
btw, better bigbluebutton than openmeetings?
15:06* alkisg also hopes Phantomas does some improvements, no disagreement here
15:06
<markit>
(bigblue is going to use html5 and be flesh free, that is great from my Freedom POV)
15:07
<alkisg>
I haven't actually tried openmeetings, so I can't comment there
15:08
I don't like java much though, except maybe for the android stack
15:08* markit agrees a lot
15:11
<markit>
have you ever configured bigbluebutton with ltsp thin (probably does not work fine) and fat?
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15:13
<alkisg>
Why wouldn't it work on thins?
15:13
It's flash so it's heavy, but other than that...
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15:14
<alkisg>
I tested it a bit and I saw I could only support up to 8-10 users with my core 2 duo server,
15:14
so I switched to google hangouts instead :)
15:15
<edwin_>
after ltsp-config dnsmasq no more internet
15:15
I manually enter a dns in resolv.conf
15:15
<alkisg>
markit: my first requirement is "have something that works", it being open source comes later in the requirements... :)
15:15
<edwin_>
where should i make this permanent
15:18
<markit>
alkisg: seems also that needs ubuntu 10.04 64 bit, so is not installable in the ltsp server itself
15:18
alkisg: google hangout needs internet fast connection I guess, and we have not
15:19
but if you tell that bluebutton is so powerhungry, I think is also a limit for many situations (needs dedicated server + has to be powerfull)
15:20
edwin_: 12.04?
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15:20
<edwin_>
12.10
15:20
<markit>
if so, you shuld never touch /etc/resolv.conf since is a symlink
15:20
and you should edit /etc/network/interfaces instead
15:20
<edwin_>
I know but I didn;t know what else to do
15:20
<markit>
dns-servers parameter
15:21
I don't know if ltsp-config (never used it) breaks something
15:21
I know dnsmasq now during installation should put the correct hooks to resolver stuff
15:21
or do you use network manager?
15:22
in that case, I've no idea
15:23
<edwin_>
ok
15:23
<alkisg>
markit: google hangouts needs a bandwidth similar to youtube
15:24
So, no, not a log, but ADSL is needed
15:24
s/log/lot
15:25
<edwin_>
question
15:25
<markit>
alkisg: let me recap... the teacher uses hangouts so his video is sent to google, and the students see it, so for 10 students you have (1 + 10) * (video+audio) bandwidth neede?
15:25
<edwin_>
why do I need dnsmasq for the debian ltsp to work in ubuntu?
15:25
<markit>
with 20 pc sounds a huge requirements
15:25
<alkisg>
markit: can your students all go to youtube and watch something?
15:26
<markit>
no
15:26
if they try, they hang
15:26
I've at the best 4mb/sec for all the school, and 24 pc
15:27
maybe they could, but at lowest resolution, not full screen
15:27
<alkisg>
So yeah you need a local solution
15:27
<markit>
alkisg: sure, but I wonder how YOU can make it work
15:27
<alkisg>
I don't think google hangouts is smart enough to detect local links
15:27
I'm using it for remote situations :)
15:27
<markit>
ah, sorry :)
15:27
<alkisg>
Me at my work, and teachers at their homes
15:28
But we also have some schools with 50 mbps internet links
15:28
So if I need to, I go and use one of those
15:29
<markit>
best italian (average) situation is in regions with 5.6mb/s, you figure... and my region has one of the lowest.. I've a school in a town with 640Kb/s max
15:30
<alkisg>
2mbit is the average here
15:30
We only have a few with fiber, getting 50mbit
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15:33
<markit>
ehm, bigblue seems not possible too then, due to previous cited constrains... so no way to add audio sharing capabilities like does with video? :P
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15:44
<edwin_>
question
15:44
I am following this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
15:44
installation was ok
15:44
but having two issues
15:45
after ltsp-config dnsmasq I have no internet, i use wireless managed by network manager
15:45
2- it seems that eth0 is no the one serving ltsp
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16:02
<markit>
edwin_: ah, sorry, never used the -pnp
16:03
you mean that you have no "cable" internet?
16:03
<edwin_>
I am working in a laptop
16:03
test enviroment
16:04
wlan0 internet , eth0 dhcp ltsp stuff
16:04
<markit>
so your laptop has cable ethernet card to the switch, and you are reaching internet through wifi?
16:04
ok
16:04
so "I've no internet" means...? from the clients?
16:05
<edwin_>
in the server
16:05
I am thinking in installing fresh edubuntu
16:05
<markit>
that is your laptop
16:05
<edwin_>
and start from scratch
16:05
<markit>
you could do some basic troubleshooting
16:06
become root with sudo -s
16:06
and do
16:06
route -s
16:06
route -n
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(sorry, -n)
16:07
destination 0.0.0.0 should list the router host, like 192.168.1.1, your access point ip
16:07
try to ping it
16:07
<edwin_>
good
16:08
<markit>
does it reply?
16:08
<edwin_>
yeap
16:08
<markit>
now ping 8.8.8.8
16:09
<edwin_>
I manually entered 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf
16:09
but I know thats temporary
16:10
have you tried fedora?
16:10
k12
16:11
<markit>
edwin_: I've limited time, just do what I told you
16:11
does ping 8.8.8.8 get a reply?
16:12
<edwin_>
yes I said I manually entered nameserver 8.8.8.8 in resolv.conf
16:12
thats why Is working again
16:12
<markit>
does not matter at all now
16:12
ah, I see
16:12
so was just a dns issue
16:12
<edwin_>
if I restart no internet again
16:12
<markit>
I told you to ping 8.8.8.8 just because is easy to type
16:13
I could have entered a different public ip
16:13
are you using the network manager?
16:14
since 12.04 ubuntu uses a customized instance of dnsmasq for network manager, don't know how it behaves with normal dnsmasq also installed
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16:20
<edwin_>
I will try a fresh fedora install
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<edwin_>
anyone here has a fedora enviroment ?
18:33
<work_alkisg>
Meh, stupid lightdm preventing teachers from shutting down the server when other users are logged in... (even if it's just a crashed xorg session on a thin client that was powered off 2 hours ago...)
18:33
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-greeter/+bug/861171
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<edwin_>
anyone fedora?
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