IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 November 2013   (all times are UTC)

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04:26
<vagrantc>
sbalneav: rough around the edges, but bzr pull http://cascadia.debian.net/~vagrant/ltsp-pam-examples
04:27
sbalneav: we've got sshfs homedirs, and localapps support mostly working.
04:29* vagrantc will get it merge into launchpad later
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11:18
<highvoltage>
what's news at bts? ltsp 6 going fat-client by default yet?
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17:57
<Enslaver>
Hey fellas, hows BTS
17:59
If its not too much to ask could someone bring me down some lobster since i didn't get to come
18:05
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
18:14
<Enslaver>
all i got last year was crabs :(
18:16
Well i'll hopefully have my fedora-19 release out by the end of this weekend
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20:26
<linuxltsp00>
I'm not having much luck getting ltsp working. I'm using ubuntu 13 with the repo version of ltsp. I've tried following different pages advice with not much luck
20:27
I can get into the gui finally but I can't get firefox working
20:27
Its giving me a error about unable to find a profile
20:31
<alkisg>
Thin client?
20:31
Or fat?
20:31
<linuxltsp00>
thin
20:31
<alkisg>
Can you open a gnome-terminal inside the thin client session?
20:32
(or an xterm...)
20:32
<linuxltsp00>
yes but I cannot access the home directory. and I believe thats why firefox cannot access the profiles
20:32
<alkisg>
Is that a server-side user, or a user that you created in the chroot?
20:33
<linuxltsp00>
both
20:33
<alkisg>
It needs to be in the server only
20:33
Not in both
20:33
<linuxltsp00>
well I created a root user inside chroot and created a different user through the server
20:34
<alkisg>
Log in with the server-side user to the thin client
20:34
Open an xterm, run ps aux and mount, and pastebin the results
20:34
!pastebin
20:34
<ltsp`>
pastebin: the LTSP pastebin is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebin, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
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22:56
<sd34>
hello
23:00
<Hyperbyte>
Oh hi!
23:02
<sd34>
still ther?
23:02
there*
23:02
is this the right place to ask for support with ltsp-live?
23:03
<Hyperbyte>
!ask
23:03
<ltsp`>
ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least a full hour after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
23:03
<sd34>
ok
23:03
<Hyperbyte>
:)
23:04
<sd34>
so, I'm having issues with ltsp-live on Edubuntu 13.10
23:04
it just takes very long and actually never finished configuring
23:04
<Hyperbyte>
First question.
23:04
ltsp-live?
23:04
<sd34>
I tried it out on two different machines (one fast laptop and one cutting-edge desktop)
23:04
yes
23:05
<Hyperbyte>
This is Edubuntu live CD?
23:05
<sd34>
yes
23:05
<Hyperbyte>
And you're installing it, or actually booting into live OS from the CD/DVD?
23:05
<sd34>
live OS from DVD or USB
23:06
the wizard searches for network interfaces then finds and shows eth0 on both the computers onto which I tested the live OS
23:06
<Hyperbyte>
I have actually never tried that.
23:07
Not entirely sure how it works, so I can't help you much I'm afraid. I can try a little.
23:07
At what point does it get stuck?
23:07
<sd34>
prompts that the interface is already used and asks for confirmation as for continuing the configuration, which I confirm
23:08
after a while it starts configuring, after installing and unpacking
23:08
that's when it always gets stuck
23:08
the application doesn't freeze or whatever it just seems to take forever as though it was in a loop
23:09
if you could try it out it would be extremely helpful
23:10
<Hyperbyte>
I couldn't.
23:10
My advice, just actually install the OS instead of doing it live.
23:10
You should have some spare harddisk somewhere which you can use
23:11
<sd34>
I have to tell a school if they can use Edubuntu on their old IT laboratory machines but LTSP would be necessary because of some computers lacking DVD trays
23:12
I would do that, but that's a school with a windows setup they wouldn't erase
23:12
so it must be a live OS :S
23:12
<Hyperbyte>
You don't have to erase client computers.
23:12
Clients just have to network boot.
23:12
<sd34>
Only the server yeah, but that's already a Windows server
23:12
<Hyperbyte>
You only install software on the server, that's the beauty of LTSP.
23:12
Doesn't matter.
23:13
You can configure the Windows server to provide netboot details, and just point it to your Linux server (any server, can even be your laptop if you want)
23:14
<sd34>
But they payed for software like Epoptes for Windows and had their network going for years, so either they find a new server computer (but they run on very low budget) or they partition and install double booting
23:14
<Hyperbyte>
Otherwise, wait for someone with experience with LTSP live media.
23:15
<sd34>
your help was good, I just have some very strict requirements for this project :\
23:15
<Hyperbyte>
So unstrict them.
23:15
<sd34>
:D
23:15
<Hyperbyte>
How many clients are you talking about?
23:16
<sd34>
it should be 7 late 90s / early 00s desktops
23:16
+ 1 server
23:17
btw I'm new to network booting as well but I can learn
23:19
<Hyperbyte>
Okay
23:19
So you're planning to run these as fat clients or thin clients?
23:20
<sd34>
I don't know actually, I thought one dvd on the server and all the others lan-booting or dvd-booting in case they had a DVD tray
23:20
but they quite certainly don't
23:21
<Hyperbyte>
You know the difference between thin and fat clients?
23:22
<sd34>
256 + (192 * 7 users) MB = 1600 MB of RAM :O
23:22
unfortunately not
23:22
<Hyperbyte>
Both thin and fat clients netboot.
23:22
<sd34>
thin = no device needed apart from MB, graphics and Ram
23:22
?
23:23
<Hyperbyte>
But fat clients get an entire operating system delivered via network and run all their software on the local hardware.
23:23
Thin clients only get a minimal OS that can log in to the server and then the entire desktop session and all programs are executed on the server.
23:23
<sd34>
the more fat clients the less efforts for the server I suppose
23:24
<Hyperbyte>
So if you have older PC's, which cannot run modern operating systems (which I'm assuming is the case here), you would want want thin clients.
23:24
But if your clients can handle it and you don't have budget for a powerful server with enough ram, you would want fat.
23:24
<sd34>
can fat and thing clients be present in the same network?
23:25
both fat and thin*
23:25
it might be on or two computers have got a DVD reader installed, might..
23:25
<Hyperbyte>
Yes. This is actually easier with ltsp-pnp, that detects automatically if clients have enough ram for local OS. If they do they're fat, otherwise they're thin.
23:26
sd34, why are you obsessed with dvd readers?
23:27
<sd34>
because I have very little knowledge about these technologies and believe that if a computer has a DVD reader I can burn an Edubuntu DVD for that computer
23:28
ltsp-pnp is a completely different software?
23:28
<Hyperbyte>
No, ltsp-pnp is a fork (or extension) of regular LTSP software.
23:28
<sd34>
and possibly of LTSP-live too :)
23:28
<Hyperbyte>
Do you know what network booting is? PXE?
23:29
<sd34>
I'm afraid all I know is that I can choose to boot from Lan at PC's boot time
23:29
and I haven't been able to try it out because of this problem I'm discussing
23:30
(configuration never ending)
23:31
<Hyperbyte>
Let's make deal
23:32
Read some more about the concepts of LTSP, about how it should work... read about PXE booting, thin vs fat clients.... http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Concepts
23:33
Understand first how it -should- work, before you pop in some live DVD
23:33
Tomorrow we can talk some more... or you could look for alkisg, he's the LTSP oracle - knows everything.
23:33
But he's on European time too (Greece), so sleeping now.
23:33
<sd34>
I'm on European time so it would be perfect
23:34
I was looking for some good guide to study
23:34
I haven't found much that was easy to understand though, let's see yours
23:36
but still, I may lack some knowledge and that's for sure although the ltsp-live wizard is quite straightforward and didn't it get stuck I would be able to get some hands-on understanding first
23:36
that is what I need prior to studying theory :\
23:37
In fact I'm downloading the most stable Edubuntu iso now and will se if that gets stuck too
23:39
I guess grasping the hands-on basis is necessary... sometimes a youtube video is enough but everything I watched didn't come up with my strange issue
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23:40
<sd34>
by the way, do you think once it works I can teach a teacher of the school to boot up and start a ltsp network ? Is that something userfriendly with the newest LTSP releases?
23:42
in Italy schools have no money at all and they need to do all on a budget (very thin one) and on their own because they can't afford technicians help
23:42
<Hyperbyte>
You should definitely talk to alkisg.
23:42
<sd34>
if they liked Edubuntu and decided to use that for their classes on a regular basis it would be necessary that they can run it on their own
23:43
<Hyperbyte>
He's got literally hundreds of schools in Greece running LTSP, he's actually made it so teachers can maintain the installations themselves.
23:43
<sd34>
thanks, I will
23:43
I will connect tomorrow again
23:43
<Hyperbyte>
Sure...
23:43
Get an IRC client and just hang out in here...
23:44
Just keep in mind most people here are often very busy
23:44
<sd34>
if that school manages to run Edubuntu.. well it will make a nice success story :)
23:44
oh sure, I have no idea if this is a free chan or a place for developers, I just found it on LTPS.org
23:45
I will keep this window open, I don't mind
23:47
<Hyperbyte>
It's basically anything LTSP related... developer or otherwise. But channel doesn't get that much traffic either way.
23:47
<sd34>
I'll do my best to explain in English
23:48
and hopefully we'll work this out and help that school
23:48
they just couldn't believe all that great software came for free :D
23:48
I won't let them down, I won't
23:49
thanks for your help
23:51
good night Hyperbyte, my time zone got me beat ;)
23:52
bye