IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 6 January 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<noob21>
hi, does anyone know where i can get help w/ rdesktop?
08:25
is there an irc channel?
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<Gadi1>
they have a forum on sourceforge.net
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and mailing list
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<noob21>
that's it?
08:27
<Gadi1>
go to: www.rdesktop.org
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and follow the links
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<noob21>
thanks
08:27
<Gadi1>
'fraid so
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no irc channel that I am aware of
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<sbalneav>
Morning all!
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<sbalneav>
Morning Gadi1
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<Gadi>
ah, thats better
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<muzzio>
guys, there is some way to disable the grafical thin-client boot on fedora?
08:51
the thin-client is freezing, so I need this boot on the text line...
08:51
<Gadi>
http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=59537
08:52
as sbalneav says, GIYF
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<muzzio>
ok! thanks Gadi
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<garymc>
Hi guys anyone know how i can resett my my phpmyadmin user and password, i seem to have forgotten them
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<^Willie^>
this channel is also for freenx ?
09:31
if no where must i go to then :S
09:32
<sbalneav>
^Willie^: No, we don't support freenx here.
09:32
<^Willie^>
this http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg18862.html
09:32
did bring me here
09:32
<sbalneav>
Some of us know about it, but it's not a freenx support channel. I don't know if there is one
09:33
<^Willie^>
i wana know something about an insecure bug from the freenx developers
09:33
it destroyed 4 days of work at here today
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<sbalneav>
^Willie^: well, for something like that, you definitely won't find it here :)
09:34
<^Willie^>
ahh nice app lets test it .. login as new kde session fine... login shared desk.. freenx drops the connection says the client server says client disconnect and i stop the server and it did kill "all" running kde sessions
09:35
client and service point at each other and say he disconnect but who realy disconnect dunno i expect freenx daemon
09:35
http://pastebin.com/m2b80ffa9
09:35
also dunno why some kernel parameters are updated afther installing/starting freenx
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this behavour and the story about freenx give me a realy bad taste
09:36
sounds to wonderfull :S and it whas indeed
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anyway guess i can better forget freenx and upgrade my 100mbit lan to gbit and start using vnc then
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in other wordts no rdesk at this place
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<sbalneav>
Well, like I say, if you have concerns about a freenx bug, you'd be best to ask the freenx developers
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<^Willie^>
lol right if they where at some irc network yes
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i don't line burocratic systems like some mailing list when there are better tools for discussion
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like*
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<^Willie^>
sbalneav: the one's here who know about freenx do they know where i can goto ?
09:48
i'm asking my self why are these folks so hard to find if the wana do opensource projects :S
09:49
<alkisg>
^Willie^: so for kernel problems, you ask Linus?
09:49
<sbalneav>
Well, I *think* johnny's done some playing with freenx, but he's not here now.
09:49
<^Willie^>
alkisg added -> ignorelist : no reason
09:49
sbalneav: hmmzz ok
09:50
guess best option atm is wait for johnny then
09:50
happy this did happend at my devbox at home and not at work else there whas a real issue right now
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sbalneav: anyway thnx
09:51
<sbalneav>
Wait, what? you added alkisg to you're ignore list?
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<^Willie^>
i`m not in the mood for games sbalneav
09:52
i have a vps grid to manage so enough todo
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and mosth linux channels don't like those reply`s anyway more trolling then help or ask
09:53
people do the same to me so i do the same to freenode ;)
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<alkisg>
Right.... I didn't like this, either: (05:49:22 μμ) ^Willie^: i'm asking my self why are these folks so hard to find if the wana do opensource projects :S
09:54
<sbalneav>
^Willie^: alkisg's a ltsp devel
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<^Willie^>
if he want a reply on that NO, then i ask the code part writer that did write the code that fails and not linus him self
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<sbalneav>
you're in a channel that has nothing to do with freenx
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we've been nice and tried to help and you're being rude
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<^Willie^>
rude ?
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lol come over to holland and look around then you se what is rude
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<sbalneav>
You don't ignore an ltsp devel
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<^Willie^>
anyway havefun
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<sbalneav>
not while I have ops
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<sbalneav>
Good thing he left
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<alkisg>
OK... so all open source devs should be on IRC, otherwise they shouldn't be devs...
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<sbalneav>
I was just about to kickban him
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<alkisg>
It's an opinion :-/
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<sbalneav>
It's something I won't tolerate.
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NO ONE gets to be rude to ltsp devs
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<Ahmuck-Jr>
:p
09:56
<sbalneav>
we've earned the right to some respect in this channel.
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<alkisg>
Thanks sbalneav :) ...
09:56* alkisg goes to the cinema with his family, bye all :)
09:56
<sbalneav>
Have fun.
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: the libnss-sshauth part of the libpam-sshauth plan made me think: would it use the uids/gids from the server unchanged?
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<jcastro>
stgraber: it's your birthday today?
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<highvoltage>
jcastro: almost 2 weeks out there :)
10:10
jcastro: his birthday was on Christmas day
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<jcastro>
oh, one of my social media things lied to me
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<highvoltage>
bastards.
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<jcastro>
stgraber: happy belated birthday!
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<stgraber>
jcastro: nope, it was on the 25th of December :)
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jcastro: oh, highvoltage was faster
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<Ahmuck>
there were problems with the above conversation
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^Willie^ wouldn't have known alkisg was a ltsp dev
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alkisg comments were a little bit on the sarcastic side
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^Willie^ comments about finding open source devs is in part correct, depending upon the project
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<Ahmuck>
^Willie^ was willing to wait for somene that did know after finding out nobody currently here knew anything though he was in the wrong channel
10:37* Ahmuck summarization of the conversation
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<allinone>
Gadi: ping
10:45
<Gadi>
allinone: pong
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<allinone>
Gadi: can I pm u
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<Gadi>
sure
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: It should
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Ahmuck: Sorry, he was already told that he was Off Topic for the channel.
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And alkisg's comments were a hint to that fact.
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and he kept barrelling on.
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So, he got the treatment he deserved.
10:49
You don't walk into a channel looking for help, and start talking smack.
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period.
10:59
Ahmuck: If someone was being rude to YOU, I'd react the same way. We have a civil channel here, with lots of people who spend their precious time to give free help to people. NO REGULAR in #ltsp should be treated rudely.
10:59
And for the most part, it works out well.
11:00
In my mind, including this one, we've probably had less than 10 people who I can think of who've been outta-line in the 8+ years of this irc channel.
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bbiab
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<highvoltage>
sbalneav: heh, I should learn to be more careful :)
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<sbalneav>
highvoltage: Almost nobody in here causes a problem.
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almost :)
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: If libnss-sshauth doesn't change the uids, does it mean that running two ldms is limited to servers that have common uids/gids? Or did the requirement for being able to run multiple ldms get dropped? I'm just trying to figure out what kind of use cases are possible with that..
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Having common uid's gid's will be a requirement in that case, yes.
11:21
You have that requirement now with localapps
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vmlintu: Do you have a use case where you have multiple servers with the same userids but with NOT the same uids?
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sorry, usernames, uids?
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<vmlintu>
It also crossed my mind that would it make sense to use libnss-ldap on the client and create a simple fake-ldap-server on the ltsp-server to serve the users and groups? Like http://search.cpan.org/~aar/Net-LDAP-Server-0.42/lib/Net/LDAP/Server.pm
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<sbalneav>
we've tossed that around for ages.
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problem is, ldap's too high a learning curve
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Plus, it's a support nightmare for us.
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because we'll have to start walking through helping people set up ldap
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then you get into the whole "OK, so central IT runs AD, how do I tie that together" etc.
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by writing a pam module that deals exclusively with ssh...
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<vmlintu>
Right now I don't have any environments where the ltsp servers would have different uids but same usernames, but we have laptops that create their own uids when users log in, so some of the tools are designed with that in mind
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<allinone>
You know its about time ldap because a no brainer :)
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<Guest17454>
considered an xmpp server?
11:27
/me can't get his nick back (johnny)
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<sbalneav>
Howcome?
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<Guest17454>
bug in my irc transport, haven't reverted back to an earlier version yet
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<allinone>
s/because/becomes/
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<sbalneav>
allinone: I'd agree. But ldap *itself* is complex, the only way to tackle it becomes the skolelinux way.
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: If there was a simple perl based "ldap-server" that didn't have any configuration options available, but only served data from nss?
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<sbalneav>
i.e. "Use our default config or you're on your own"
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<Ahmuck>
why is ldap a high learning curve?
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<allinone>
sbalneav: I'd have to agree with you on both counts
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<sbalneav>
Oh, ldap's a HUGE learning curve.
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<allinone>
It is really too bad
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<Ahmuck>
what is it about ldap that creates the huge learning curve?
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: well, I can either write an ldap server, or I can write a pam module.
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<Guest17454>
because ldap is not simple
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<sbalneav>
either way, I gotta write something.
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<allinone>
hehe
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<sbalneav>
But we've been waiting for 15 years for ldap to get simple,
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I'm not holding my breath anymore :)
11:34
the -sshauth module avoids all of that.
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however you're doing auth on the server machine will work.
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<allinone>
I can write my own LDAP schema and I can setup anything I need over it, I however would NOT like to support it
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<sbalneav>
if you can ssh into the machine, then you can authenticate
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<allinone>
Just trying to get someone who knows nothing of ldap to understand the concept of operation is a nightmare
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<sbalneav>
and you can run ldap, radius, /etc/passwd, postgresauth, whatever, on the server.
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vmlintu: so does that reasoning make sense to you?
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<vmlintu>
I'm not a big fan of ldap either, but personally I'm not too eager to learn how to debug one more wire protocol
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Well, you wouldn't: it'd be speaking ssh :)
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<sbalneav>
All we're doing is extracting the ssh out of ldm, and moving it into a pam module.
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Or at least, that's the plan :)
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<vmlintu>
The pam part looks really good, it's just the nss part that made me think of all kinds of options..
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<sbalneav>
Thow up your comments on the wiki page, we're still in the "planning stages", it'd be good to keep track of things.
11:44* Gadi does not think the ldm-on-two-screens scenario to be very common or worth worrying about
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<vmlintu>
I'll do that. I've been dealing with oauth authentication lately instead of doing anything ltsp related.. I almost wrote pam_oauth the other day..
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<vmlintu>
But I don't know if it'd be good to let people login using their twitter credentials..
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<sbalneav>
heh
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ltspbot: Gadi++
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<vmlintu>
btw, have you ever tried pam_envfeed ?
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<sbalneav>
No, lemme look...
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<vmlintu>
It let's you write authentication logic in scripts and feed env parameters etc to the session
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<sbalneav>
Hoo
11:48
that's handy
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<vmlintu>
We've been using it for all kinds of tricks through the years
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<sbalneav>
pam_envfeed with getltscfg
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yeah, I can think of some uses for that.
11:49
Doesn't look like it's been packaged for ubuntu
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is it in debian?
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<Guest17454>
too bad getltscfg is transfered over the insecure protocol..
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<vmlintu>
We even used with an rfid pilot some years ago with ltsp 4.2. You could login to ltsp clients through gdm just by bringing the physical rfid tag close to the computer.
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<sbalneav>
looks "dead upstream"
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<sbalneav>
last update's in 2007
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: upstream is dead, I think, but we've done our own packaging for it
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<sbalneav>
How big is it? I could probably adopt it.
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<Guest17454>
it seems that it should be part of pam itself perhaps?
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rather than a seperate project?
11:53
that might help keep it updated
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: it's not big, but quite ugly
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: I'll mail the author, see if he wants me to take it on. I'd use this around Legal Aid.
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: one thing we have done with pam_envfeed is to let guest users login to ltsp servers with any password if remote hostname = username
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<sbalneav>
yeah, I could see all kinds of use for this.
11:56
thanks for the heads up!
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: we have done patching for it to support also message boxes (works at least with gdm) so that the scripts can inform the user
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<sbalneav>
email me the patches, I'd be intersted.
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<muzzio>
hi guys.. There is a very strange problem here. I am using LTSP 5 on fedora 11. But the thin-clients cant complete the boot process ( stop before X load). This just happen when a try to boot on NIC RTL8169SC
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If a try to boot on onboad NIC, everything works!
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there is any related problem with RT8169SC? I did some google search, but didnt found
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: we've used also pam_extern in some places, but it's not as featureful, e.g. if you want to login against an https server: https://launchpad.net/~opinsys/+archive/ppa/+packages
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<Gadi>
muzzio: do you have 2 NICs in the client?
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<muzzio>
Gadi: Yes..
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<Gadi>
disable the onboard one in the bios
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before using the second one
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<muzzio>
Gadi: But to works, I removed the external NIC
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: I'll dig through our svn to find the patches. It's been a while since I last touched the pam_envfeed sources.
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<Gadi>
right
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make it so there is only one nic from the machine's point of view
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<muzzio>
Gadi: OK. I will do this soon... I cant to this now, because the onboard NIC boot the PXE for the external NIC
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Gadi: Do you think the problem can be this?
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It is confusing LTSP
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<Gadi>
yeah - i think the iniramfs is trying to mount the filesystem from the wrong nic
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<muzzio>
Gadi: Ok.. But its freeze just before a long time... (the fedora's bar complete)
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Gadi: *just after a long time
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<sbalneav>
Guest17454: So, what happended to your nick?
12:09* Gadi knows not the ways of the fedora bar ;)
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<muzzio>
Gadi: Ok. I will try this.. Thank you a lot!
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<Guest17454>
sbalneav, bug in my irc transport, in that the nickserv identify doesn't get sent from the right nick, so it never succeeds, and the enforcer script changes my nickname to something else
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<sbalneav>
eurgh
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this a permanent thing? Or a fixable thing?
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<Guest17454>
fixable
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<sbalneav>
Hooray
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<Guest17454>
i could just revert back to an old version until it gets fixed.. i just haven't felt like it yet
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<sbalneav>
Whaddaya use for irc?
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<Guest17454>
this transport was created/ported as a gsoc project..
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then the author got code complete for his birthday or somethin
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<sbalneav>
LOL
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<Guest17454>
and has been cleaning the code since.. so some stuff has broken in between
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i use the irc transport and an xmpp only client (gajim)
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<sbalneav>
heh
12:16
I updated the packaging for the xmpp plugin for irssi
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so I come at it from the opposite direction
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<Guest17454>
well.. nice thing about this.. is it doesn't matter what client i use
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as long as it supports xmpp
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my settings fly with me.. wherever i go
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by only setting up one account
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xmpp does much more than irssi-xmpp can support
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<sbalneav>
I'm sure it does. But I don't use xmpp for much. :)
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<Guest17454>
that's sad
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<Appiah>
i gave up on irssi-xmpp and started using bitlbee
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<Guest17454>
did you get y Pm?
12:19
bitlbee is even worse..
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<sbalneav>
Meh, too confusing and colourful for an old greybeard like me :)
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<Guest17454>
confusing?
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<sbalneav>
GET OFF MY LAWN YOU KIDS!
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<Guest17454>
it's just a roster and tabs of what rooms i'm in
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saw a neat xmpp use lately
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for hailing cabbies
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you can request cabs directly.. and see which ones are near
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<sbalneav>
I know, but I'm an old fart. Only thing I use guis for is opening lots of terminals :)
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<Guest17454>
i would like to have a nicer console xmpp client than mcabber
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<sbalneav>
I've been forcing myself to use empathy.
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biggest gripe is:
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1) convos don't pop forward
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<Guest17454>
empathy doesn't do enough xmpp stuff
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that's why i use gajim
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<sbalneav>
2) I can't save a convo without doing a ctrl-a ctrl-c -> editor ctrl-v
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which is hokey
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<Guest17454>
empathy will never be the best client for a power user
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<sbalneav>
Prolly not
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but I'm not a power user like you
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<Guest17454>
lol
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<sbalneav>
Well, not for xmpp anyway
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To be honest, I'm not really a poweruser at all
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I don't "know" any end-user apps inside and out
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I'm a plumber.
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My formative years with Unix were all about writing small tools that did one thing well, and bolting them together.
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Heck I don't even use an IDE
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<sbalneav>
vi, autoconf tools, handwriting C and Python code.
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shell scripting, etc.
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I'm very knowledgeable within a *very* limited and well defined sphere
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outside of that... bleh
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I use mutt for email, irssi for irc, spent years writing papers/memos in LaTeX in vi, I *kinda* can do things in openoffice now
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and firefox.
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Oh, and freecell :)
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: pam_envfeed.c is in the mail
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: Thanks, man!
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<sbalneav>
vmlintu: I emailed egmont
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we'll see what he says.
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<vmlintu>
sbalneav: our packaging for it was done manually, so there was nothing reusable for that
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<cliebow_>
Freecelll!
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bubbleshooter!
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<alkisg>
teeworlds! :P :D
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<johnny>
test
14:04
hello again sbalneav :)
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<sbalneav>
johnny: \o/
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<Lns>
can anyone point me in the right direction for adjusting default volume on ltsp clients?
14:29
<Gadi>
VOLUME=90
14:29
change 90 to taste
14:29
<Lns>
for ubuntu 8.04? :)
14:29
<Gadi>
yup
14:29
<Lns>
cool!! =) thanks Gadi
14:29
<Gadi>
90 = a percentage
14:29
btw
14:29
<Lns>
figured as much =)
14:29
is that documented?
14:30
<Gadi>
should be
14:30
<Lns>
k..just checking
14:30
<Gadi>
the more advanced volume adjust stuff probably less so
14:30
:)
14:30
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
14:30
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
14:31
<sbalneav>
alkisg: Ooh, that's nice.
14:31
<alkisg>
:)
14:31
<sbalneav>
it getting that from the ltsp-docs package?
14:31
<Lns>
ooo nice. i needed headphone volume and that's different =) thanks!
14:31
<Gadi>
hmmm.. that section needs updating
14:31
to reflect: <channel_name>_VOLUME
14:32
<Lns>
ooo, FRONT_VOLUME is listed twice
14:32
<alkisg>
Gadi: and while you're at it, send some notes for rdesktop as well :P :D
14:32
<Lns>
haha
14:32
<Gadi>
oh yeah
14:32
<sbalneav>
Gadi: get on the stick there, you SLACKER
14:32
<Gadi>
you'll need to remind me about 5 or 6 more times
14:32
:)
14:32
<Lns>
anyone here use palm pilots?
14:32
<sbalneav>
That Gadi, he never does ANYTHING around here.
14:33
Honestly, don't know WHY we keep him around.
14:33
Oh yeah
14:33
"Your Mamma's Thin Client" jokes
14:33* sbalneav hopes for one
14:33
<Lns>
oh no
14:33* sbalneav looks at Gadi
14:33* alkisg gets some popcorn...
14:34* Lns dims the lights
14:34
<alkisg>
Ugh, looks like he's gone :P :D
14:34
<sbalneav>
What's this hand doing on my thigh?
14:34
<Lns>
LOL
14:34
THAT'S NOT POPCORN!
14:34
<sbalneav>
AUUUUGH
14:35
<alkisg>
Hey I thought that was not one of "those" films...
14:36
<Gadi>
sbalneav, yo mama's thin client's so fat, her thin client manager has to run on a cray to handle the load
14:36
<Lns>
hahaha
14:36
<dro>
gadi: lolol
14:38
<Lns>
yo mama's fat client apt-got something then apt-ate it
14:39
(sorry...not nearly as good)
14:40
<dro>
lol
14:40
<Gadi>
Lns: yo mama's thin client's so fat, when you plugged in a palm pilot it was the only action she felt in years
14:40
<sbalneav>
ok, I've decided
14:40
<Lns>
hehehe
14:41
<sbalneav>
I'm going to start collecting Gadi's thin client jokes
14:41
<johnny>
/me needs a mysql query expert..
14:41
:(
14:41
<sbalneav>
and I'm gonna make a fortune file out of 'em
14:41
<Lns>
yo mama's thin client so fat, she vesa-mounted it on the back of her monitor and it fell over
14:42
<sbalneav>
johnny: whatcha need?
14:42
<Gadi>
yo mama's thin client's so fat, that a vesa mount was the only action she felt in years
14:43
<sbalneav>
I'll have to go through the chat logs, see if I can find 'em all
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<johnny>
sbalneav, well.. i'm working with this ecommerce software called zencart, it stores every option in the same table
14:43
each module option that is
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<johnny>
i need update an older site with new data, but the numbers don't always match
14:44
<Gadi>
which numbers?
14:44
<johnny>
it's 2 tables, configuration_groups and configuration.. where the configuration options are differeniated by configuratiion_group_id
14:44
so.. i need to make sure i don't overwrite a db if my new data has different configuration_group_id numbers
14:45
i guess i shoudl grab the data
14:45
hold up
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<Gadi>
select * from configration as a left join configuration_groups as b on a.configuration_group_id=b.configuration_group_id;
14:46
<johnny>
i realize there's no way to avoid not creating a temporary table..
14:46
<Gadi>
something like that?
14:46
<johnny>
Gadi, but i also have to add new records to configuration group that may not have the same ids , since the target siet has more modules
14:46
and i'm just trying to add to the list
14:47
<Gadi>
update from....
14:47
will update if exists
14:47
<johnny>
i guess i'll need to create a temporary table..
14:47
<Gadi>
and insert if not
14:48
<Lns>
Gadi: I set the VOLUME and HEADPHONE_VOLUME to 45, but nothing changed in my volume mixer settings... any ideas?
14:48
and yes i rebooted the tc :)
14:48
<Gadi>
Lns: do you have a console on the thin client?
14:48
<Lns>
yea
14:49
<Gadi>
run alsamixer
14:49
<Lns>
k
14:49
<Gadi>
check the alsa levels
14:49
VOLUME sets default alsa levels
14:49
<Lns>
ok..i ran through all the 'devices' in the vol. prefs in gnome, none of them reflectd 45..but i'll check alsamixer
14:49
<sbalneav>
k, got about 20 of 'em from the logs.
14:49
<Gadi>
also, make sure the env variable is set with a getltscfg -a
14:49
<Lns>
sbalneav: =) =)
14:50
<sbalneav>
I'll create a package of 'em tonight.
14:50
<Lns>
you gonna upload them to your ppa?
14:50
<sbalneav>
yup
14:50
<Lns>
sweeeet
14:50* Lns searches for an X-fortune
14:50
<sbalneav>
then "fortune gadi" will produce a 'yo mama' joke
14:51
<Gadi>
lol
14:51
<sbalneav>
Then, finally, a patch for ltspbot, and we'll be set :)
14:51* alkisg does bzr branch ppa:yo-mamas-thin-client
14:52
<Lns>
Gadi: looks like the env. vars are in order, being exported...but still no go...
14:53
<Gadi>
is it 90%?
14:53
or thereabouts?
14:53
<Lns>
just about, yeah
14:53
<Gadi>
hmm...
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<Lns>
anyway no huge thing right now i'm otl
14:53* Gadi needs to recall hardy
14:54
<Lns>
thx for the tips though, i'll keep poking around
14:54* alkisg thinks it was added in 8.10...
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<Lns>
d'oh
14:54
<Gadi>
poor hardy
14:54
<alkisg>
...but I'm not at all sure, just a thought
14:54
<Gadi>
gets no love as lts
14:54
;)
14:54
<Lns>
well i guess kids' eardrums will have to suffer till the lucid upgrade ;)
14:54* Lns thinks karmic should become LTS when Lucid comes out
14:54
<Gadi>
Lns: you can just patch the code
14:55
the function simply changed
14:55
prolly in ltsp-client-setup
14:55
or ltsp-init-common
14:55
one of the two
14:55
<Lns>
Gadi: ok i'll check that out then =)
14:55
ty!
14:55
<Gadi>
look for configure_sound()
14:55
<Lns>
mmk
14:55
<Gadi>
and just replace it with the newer one
14:55
:)
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<Gadi>
alkisg: out of curiosity, have you ever used ltsp-build-client --dist?
14:57
<alkisg>
Gadi: I _think_ I used that once
14:57
But I'm mostly using i386 for the servers, so I don't usually need it
14:57* Gadi recommended someone build karmic chroot on hardy the other day, and wonders if it works as advertised
14:57
<Gadi>
:)
14:57
not --arch
14:57
--dist
14:58
<alkisg>
Ahhh sorry
14:58
<Gadi>
as in --dist karmic
14:58
<alkisg>
Nope, I think I tried it once to build a debian chroot, didn't work on first try, but I didn't really need it so I didn't try it more
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<Gadi>
and here i thought you've tried everything once
14:59
;)
14:59
<alkisg>
:P
14:59
Gadi: aren't we adviced to use the same ltsp version on the server as on the chroot?
14:59
I think hardy server with karmic chroot would be broken..
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<Gadi>
broken?
15:03
I hope not
15:03
we pride our chroots on not having server-side dependencies
15:03
:)
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<alkisg>
So ltsp-client 5.0.40 would work with ltsp-server 5.0.90? What about the ldminfod/ldm-server and all the other changes?
15:07
<Gadi>
well, ldminfod is nonblocking
15:08
you can connect to a server that doesnt run it at all
15:08
you just wont have choices on ldm screen
15:31
<sbalneav>
alkisg: I'm running a karmic chroot on a hardy box right now.
15:35
<alkisg>
Cool, I'll keep that in mind
15:38
<Gadi>
sbalneav: did you use --dist?
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<sbalneav>
Gadi: No, I just built it on a karmic box, manually copied across the ssh_key's and scp'd the .img file to the hardy box
15:48
Not sure if that's cheating or not.
15:54
<highvoltage>
heh
15:55
<alkisg>
Non-LTSP related, but allow me to ask it here as well: I want the teacher to be able to launch processes inside the student sessions (RPC). So I'll need a listener running on the users session, and a way to secure it so that only the teacher is able to use that feature.
15:55
I'm thinking of using a private ~/.sch-scripts/commands-to-execute file for each student, python-pyinotify for a listener, and an scp-based script for the teacher to authenticate/create that file.
15:55
Does that sound sane? Any better (and easy!) ideas?
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<Lns>
alkisg: TCM does that already, through user's session and no need for any "listeners" that you speak of...
17:28
<alkisg>
Lns: how?
17:28
Lns: ah, you mean with the command that I gave to modly? :D
17:28
That doesn't run within the user's session, though...
17:29
And it's specific to ltsp
17:29
<Lns>
ehm...i don't think so..? might wanna ask him, he knows more than me =)
17:29
<alkisg>
moldy: ^^ ?
17:29
<Lns>
might be specific to ltsp since all the sessions are on the server...
17:30
<alkisg>
Is that with pgrep, cat /proc/pid/environ, get display from there etc?
17:30
<Lns>
i can't claim to even guess whether that's the way or not
17:30
sounds familiar thou
17:31
hey alkisg, what you're talking about (rpc stuff) is something yanqui, moldy and I were going to try and tackle before Lucid (possibly). I dunno if you'd want to sit in on a meeting today or not (if it happens), you might be interested in helping out
17:33
<alkisg>
Lns: the best way to do it would be with the telepathy framework
17:33
<Lns>
maybe we can discuss that then
17:33
<alkisg>
OLPC already has done it, but it's too integrated with other stuff there to rip any code
17:33
<Lns>
i dunno just throwing it out there =)
17:33
heh...gotta love non-portable f/oss
17:34
<alkisg>
But it would take me days and days to learn telepathy good enough to be able to use it, so... :-/
17:34
<Lns>
hehe
17:39
Anyway if you wanna chat about it at all we'll be meeting up in #lns in about 20min
17:40
<alkisg>
Lns: it's 01:40 here... I'm not sure if I'll be able to stay up :)
17:40
<Lns>
haha, no worries
17:40
thought i'd extend the invitation
17:42* Lns wonders..is there seriously no X fortune app??
17:44
<Lns>
oh, there's Wanda the fish...forgot about that
17:50
ack...no ltsp logs for 2008/9 ?
18:04
sbalneav: do you remember when i told you about the whole communications library thing yanqui and i were talking about and you cited some reasons why that isn't as easy as people think?
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i can't find the log for it...
18:04
trying to show yanqui
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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