IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 8 November 2013   (all times are UTC)

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00:16
<Hyperbyte>
SeRi, Enslaver is the one who maintains these packages.
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00:20
<SeRi>
Hyperbyte: o ok.
00:20
There is something really wrong up-stream :P
00:21
<Enslaver>
que?
00:21
i'm working on 5.4.5-24 as we speak
00:21
<SeRi>
Enslaver: hello! :) I am doing a yum install ltsp-server and the version coming down has an issue
00:22
PB: http://pastebin.com/Cyf5XkVk
00:22
<Enslaver>
yup =) had an issue with -24, had to do an emergency roll back to 22
00:22
<SeRi>
That one is broken as well :(
00:23
Enslaver: is there a work around for this issue on 22? or should I wait for 24?
00:24
<Enslaver>
whats the issue?
00:24
<SeRi>
Enslaver: http://pastebin.com/Cyf5XkVk
00:24
It's stop right at 78% when building the client
00:25
<Enslaver>
SeRi: ah, try "echo RUN_FIRSTBOOT >/etc/sysconfig/firstboot"
00:25
err
00:25
"echo RUN_FIRSTBOOT=no > /etc/sysconfig/firstboot"
00:26
<SeRi>
Enslaver: Thanks ill try that now.
00:30
Enslaver: where do I put this variable?
00:31
<Enslaver>
you can run the full command on the ltsp server
00:32
<SeRi>
Enslaver: Thanks
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00:36
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: wished we could've crossed paths at BTS
00:37
<Enslaver>
vagrantc, yeah unfortunately i got my vacation canceled because i'm the new guy at my company and the guy who's been there longer had a trip to disney world planns
00:38
<vagrantc>
Enslaver: we'll just have to arrange events more often :)
00:38
<Enslaver>
LTSP by the Houston Downtown bum
00:39
<vagrantc>
oh, i think i have those dates booked already
00:39
<Enslaver>
lmao
00:41
<vagrantc>
the bum i could handle, dunno about houston
00:42
<Enslaver>
I know how you feel, i want out of here
00:42
Get me a job where you work
00:43
<vagrantc>
heh
00:43
be careful what you wish for
00:43
<Enslaver>
anything could be better then what I'm doing now
00:43
i'm close to going and offering myself to strangers on the corner
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<vagrantc>
auto-enslaver
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01:34
<SeRi>
Enslaver: You must hate your job :)
01:34
<Enslaver>
can't complain too much, better than my last one
01:36
<SeRi>
ah. I see. new job ehh?
01:37
Any job it's better than what I do... IT at a church... ughhhhh
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14:11
<bennabiy>
vagrantc: any chance I could fit in a patch to 025-artwork before your upload?
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14:56
<sbalneav>
Morninf all
14:59
<ogra_>
morninf to you too
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15:37
<bennabiy>
morning
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16:50
<bennabiy>
hmm, I wonder why those ltsp-pnp scripts are not included.
16:51
I am still getting Script //usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-cleanup does not exist, cannot cleanup the chroot. when trying to build my client image
16:51
alkisg: are those scripts part of your greek schools packaging, and not actually in upstream source?
16:55
hmm. those scripts are in the client... but I am trying to run on server. do I need to copy that file to my server?
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16:58
<bennabiy>
does ltsp-cleanup actually modify what is on the server, or just affect what makes it into the image?
16:58
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: the hooks should definitely be present in any remotely recent package
16:59
<bennabiy>
yes, I found them.. .although it seems to be a flaw that it is defaulting to looking in the chroot, but there is no chroot for ltsp-pnp
16:59
<vagrantc>
it cleans out the things it inherrits from the server but shouldn't be on the client in the union mount
17:00
bennabiy: it sort of creates a virtual chroot using aufs/overlays and the server's filesystems
17:02
<bennabiy>
I just looked at its code, and it looks like it removes users and changes keys... but I do not want to lose my users on my server ...
17:03
<vagrantc>
it doesn't modify the server's files, just the files in the virtual chroot
17:04
so it uses the server's files as a base, and then layers and removes files on top of it to create the client image
17:05
but the server's files are untouched
17:05
barring disasterous bugs
17:06
<bennabiy>
hmm...
17:06
do I...
17:08
<vagrantc>
can't say not knowing
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17:15
<bennabiy>
It looks like it does it for the chroot, but when the chroot is your actual system...
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17:22
<vagrantc>
but it is not your actual system any more than the thin clients modifying files locally change files on your server
17:22
<bennabiy>
So am I safe to copy the file to the directory it is looking for?
17:23
The only copy I have of that file is in the source code, and in an existing chroot
17:23
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: it actually creates a separate filesystem, with all the server files readonly, and a layer n top where writes are allowed
17:23
bennabiy: do you have the ltsp-client packages installed on the server? that's needed for ltsp-pnp
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17:24
<bennabiy>
nope. that might be why
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17:24
<vagrantc>
yup
17:24
<bennabiy>
alkisg told me not to follow the directions since I already have a working install
17:25
<vagrantc>
well, if you don't want to break your working install, that's good advice
17:25
but only half-following the instructions sounds more dangerous :p
17:26
<bennabiy>
I thought he said just needed to run the ltsp-update-image -c / but it complains
17:27
it is willing, and will keep building, but not cleanup
17:28
ok, so now it should be fine
17:28
<vagrantc>
because you don't have the packages that ship those files...
17:30
<bennabiy>
yes
17:30
now I do
17:30
<vagrantc>
if you don't have the ltsp-client packages, even if it generates and image, it will fail to boot
17:30
<bennabiy>
Basically, I am trying to move myself off the server, and onto a fat client
17:31
because it doesnt have ltspfs and such right?
17:31
and nbd-client
17:31
and tftp-hpa...
17:31
<vagrantc>
even more fundamental than that
17:32
it doesn't have any of the ltsp client code...
17:32
including the init wrapper
17:32
<bennabiy>
Just Because™
17:32
yes
17:32
<vagrantc>
it's like trying to ride a bicycle without the bike
17:33
<bennabiy>
my daughter does that very well
17:33
she lays on her back, and peddles
17:33
granted, she gets no where, but she has a great time at it
17:33
<vagrantc>
:)
17:34
<bennabiy>
ok, well, off to lunch then
17:34
Do we have time to squeeze in an artwork update this afternoon?
17:35
I am going to be out from about noon on, your time, so I need to do it before then
17:36
Is it normal for the update of initramfs to hang?
17:56
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so you got the ldm theme into mint?
17:57
bennabiy: simplest thing would just be to add it to late_packages
17:58
bennabiy: in set-mint-dist
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18:11
<bennabiy>
Ok
18:12
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: only reason ubuntu needs the artwork detection is because of several *buntu variants
18:13
<bennabiy>
ok
18:13
update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-32-generic
18:13
been stuck at this since I left
18:13
after installing ltsp-client
18:14
<vagrantc>
installing it on the server?
18:14
<bennabiy>
yes
18:15
<vagrantc>
do you have lots of mounts from rnning ltsp-update-image?
18:16
<bennabiy>
I typically have lots of mounts anyways...
18:16
what mounts am I looking for?
18:16
cgroup?
18:17
<vagrantc>
stuff you don't normally see...
18:17
it's just a hunch
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18:25
<bennabiy>
hmm.. This is puzzling
18:29
vagrantc: Merge request there
18:30
only change is to add to late mirror
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18:36
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: so there's a package on the mint repos now?
18:39
bennabiy: ldm-mint-theme?
18:40
1
18:42
<bennabiy>
yes
18:42
<vagrantc>
nice
18:42
<bennabiy>
the mint developers are really nice
18:43
very helpful
18:43
you might drop in some time and say hi.
18:43
;)
18:43
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: you might ask them to include updated ltsp/ldm/ltspfs packages before it gets into debian/ubuntu
18:43
then you wouldn't need your ppa
18:44
<bennabiy>
what is the best format to usE?
18:44
<vagrantc>
?
18:44
format for what?
18:44
<bennabiy>
as far as the packaging etc
18:45
I am just using the packaging from the greek schools
18:46
vagrantc: if you could email me the information on doing that, I will gladly talk to them
18:47
are you thinking of me just building the packages on my machine, and giving them debs to host until it makes it downstream?
18:49
<vagrantc>
i am thinking you need to talk to mint devs about it
18:50
i don't know their proceses
19:11
<bennabiy>
hmmm /dev/nbd0 does not exist... do I need to restart nbd to update for the fat client?
19:12
<vagrantc>
does not exist where?
19:13
<bennabiy>
Gave up waiting for root device busybox
19:16
when trying to boot fat client
19:18
have you done anything with ltsp-pnp?
19:19
<vagrantc>
fixed it on debian
19:20
had to get a bunch of patches in for the verion in wheezy, but they're all in debian now
19:20
bennabiy: is you nbd-server configred?
19:20
er, they're all in ltsp-trunk now.
19:21
<bennabiy>
yes
19:21
It is what I have been using.
19:21
and my thin clients work fine
19:22
do I need to increase my rootdelay?
19:22
<vagrantc>
shouldn't
19:22
you using custom boot menus, or the default?
19:22
<bennabiy>
custom
19:23
<vagrantc>
maybe your customizations aren't quite right?
19:23
<bennabiy>
but copied the generated info from the generated default. then added ltsp/amd64 in front of it
19:26
ok, so neither are working...
19:26
bah!
19:26
It pulls the plymouth, but not any further
19:28
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: for a one-line patch, no need for a merge request if someone's around to review it
19:28
<bennabiy>
Thanks for telling me.. :)
19:30
<vagrantc>
but feel free to make a request if you'd rather... less likely to get lost
19:32
<bennabiy>
is it possible for you to merge it?
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19:40
<alkisg>
Hi guys
19:42
<bennabiy>
alkisg: I need you!
19:43* bennabiy waves
19:43* alkisg won't stay long, but shoot, what's the issue?
19:43
<bennabiy>
I am trying to get my fat client / ltsp-pnp image to boot, but I am getting busybox
19:44
I tried to get that custom menu working as well ( and it came up, but had issues booting the clients past plymouth)
19:45
Also, ever since my system installed ltsp-client , I cannot get update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-33-generic
19:45
to go past that
19:46
<alkisg>
So update-initramfs never completed? That would explain the busybox...
19:46
<bennabiy>
nope
19:47
<alkisg>
If it stucks at "generating /boot/initrd.img-3.8.0-33-generic" then it needs some serious debugging, more than I can offer right now... :)
19:48
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: aleady merged your request
19:48
<bennabiy>
thank you :)
19:48* vagrantc made the foolish assumption bennabiy ad gotten past the initramfs stalling out
19:53
<bennabiy>
I think I just need to reboot, but I have people using the system right now
19:54* vagrantc wouldn't have tried any of that on a production system
19:55
<bennabiy>
alksig assured me... ;)
19:55
<alkisg>
You didn't install anything, just ran ltsp-update-image -c /, right?
19:56
<bennabiy>
as per vagrantc I needed to install ltsp-client, so I did
19:56
and it was during that that initramfs stalled out
19:56
the -c scripts were only existing within the chroot I had made
19:57
so it was erroring that they were not available
19:58
<vagrantc>
it was also failing to run the ltsp-cleanup steps...
19:58
before installing ltsp-client
19:58
<bennabiy>
ltsp-cleanup script is in the chroot, but the server was not a chroot
19:59
so it was not in the server
19:59
<vagrantc>
alkisg: was wondering if ltsp-pnp mode could install ltsp-client as part of the image building process
19:59* alkisg was reading the logs, yeah bennabiy I didn't look at the wiki page instructions so I forgot to mention ltsp-client
20:00
<bennabiy>
so I had started the build process and cancelled it a couple times. wonder if that would have bombed the initramfs
20:00
what would the mounts look like that might be in place locking it?
20:00
<vagrantc>
that's why i was wondering if there were leftover mounts or something
20:01
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I don't have any handy example, but I guess there can be cases where ltsp-client isn't needed at all in the "chroot"...
20:01
<vagrantc>
alkisg: suppose so...
20:01
alkisg: but it's not really needed on the server either
20:02
<alkisg>
True :)
20:02
<bennabiy>
The initramfs is still stalled... is there a good way to see what is locking up?
20:04* vagrantc wonders if mint has some hooks to initramfs-tools...
20:07
<bennabiy>
cryptroot x 3
20:08
<vagrantc>
mint-specific hooks?
20:08
or scripts, or anything that might do strangeness
20:09
<bennabiy>
I probably need to just do a reboot. I do some strangeness on my system... that might account for it, although it usually does not have issues.
20:09* vagrantc wonders if it's due to bugs in the running kernel and overlayfs/aufs patches
20:09
<bennabiy>
mint does not use the stock ubuntu kernel
20:10
<vagrantc>
all the more reaso to suspect it wouldn't work
20:10
<alkisg>
ltsp-update-image -c also isn't bulletproof, killing it while running shouldn't be a habbit...
20:10
<bennabiy>
I asked...
20:11
<vagrantc>
rebooting will at least set you to a hopefully clean slate
20:11
or a less dirty slate
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20:15
<bennabiy>
yes
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20:17
<Jason_Huck_>
Hi, looking for someone to help us install LTSP on OpenSUSE and provide guidance at an hourly rate. We tried reaching out to DisklessWorkstations and got no response.
20:19
<alkisg>
(10:10:18 μμ) bennabiy: I asked... ==> but noone answered :)
20:20* bennabiy cries...
20:20
<bennabiy>
I got scared!
20:20
I didnt know what to do!
20:20
;)
20:20* bennabiy looks to the sky...
20:20
<bennabiy>
Where? Oh where were you in my time of need?!?
20:27
hmm. once again.. no answer
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20:45
<bennabiy>
well, I guess I need to reboot after the weekend...
20:45* bennabiy waves
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