IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 March 2012   (all times are UTC)

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17:54
<Q-FUNK>
on ubuntu/precise, are we still supposed to use the 3 inetd.conf entries for anything?
17:59
log entries would suggest that NBD shares are used for everything and configured directly within NBD rather than via wrappers.
18:25
<alkisg>
Q-FUNK: only ldminfod in inetd.conf
18:25
Anything else is a bug that should be reported
18:26
<Q-FUNK>
alkisg: thanks. I guess that the two others need to be commented out by some postinst script then
18:26
<alkisg>
Yeah it's possible that the postinst doesn't do well with upgrades...
18:26
<Q-FUNK>
here, I've got those left:
18:26
9571 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/ldminfod
18:26
9572 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdswapd
18:26
2000 stream tcp nowait nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd /usr/sbin/nbdrootd /opt/ltsp/images/i386.img
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18:28
<alkisg>
We should also convert ldminfod to a standalone daemon and stop depending on inetd completely... but I don't think there's time for that for precise
18:31
<Q-FUNK>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/946537
18:32
it would be desirable, yes, and to have that daemon configured to only bind the LTSP interface.
18:32
<alkisg>
Many people do not have an "ltsp interface", but a single nic
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18:33
<alkisg>
But accepting connections only from localnet should be easy to do by default
18:34
<Q-FUNK>
that's what I meant.
18:34
relying upon inetd and tcp wrappers is never as reliable as binding precise interfaces, anyhow.
18:37
<alkisg>
Maybe creating 2 packages would be a way... one package for dual nic installations, and one for single-nic installations
18:37
Or a very clever postinst that covers all cases
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18:45
<alkisg>
komunista: we're going to release a new epoptes version very soon, there are 6 untraslated messages if you like to translate them:
18:45
https://translations.launchpad.net/epoptes/trunk/+pots/epoptes/sk/+translate?start=0&batch=10&show=untranslated&field.alternative_language=&field.alternative_language-empty-marker=1&old_show=all
18:46
<komunista>
alkisg: thanks, I take look to it :-)
18:47
alkisg: in slovak translation is my email address (in PO file header), be free post mail to me in future, if you want
18:50
<alkisg>
komunista: I tried to come up with a mailing scheme, but unfortunately launchpad strips the translator emails, so it's not possible
18:51
Maybe a mailing list or RSS feeds from the site would be viable options...
18:53
<komunista>
I know, but when I verified that, the last translator field is removed, I see that my email remains in PO header of the downloaded file ;-)
18:54
it is because I initially translated it offline and this line was added by gtranslator as comment, not as PO header filed
18:55
alkisg: slovak translation is done :-)
18:56
<alkisg>
komunista: nice, I'll wait for launchpad to commit the changes before releasing 0.4.4
18:56
<komunista>
alkisg: ML can be good solution for me
18:56
<alkisg>
(==lots of stability improvements, and an option to display real user names instead of unix usernames)
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19:08
<alkisg>
Hey vagrantc, epoptes is ready for release :)
19:09
<vagrantc>
oh fun!
19:09
maybe i'll have time to test today- freegeek is hosting the ubuntu global jam today, so my attention is somewhat distracted
19:10
<alkisg>
I'm only waiting for launchpad to commit an updated translation, and I'll commit the changelog
19:10
So no code changes to do, if you want you can start testing...
19:13
<vagrantc>
i'll try and get it out today or maybe tomorrow at the latest
19:13
<alkisg>
np, no hurries, whenever you have time
19:14
<vagrantc>
if i don't get it done then, we have to wait till friday...
19:17
<muppis>
Any one got good experience with Mobility Radeon 9200 ?
19:22
alkisg, now I got real reason to try boot to ltsp from hdd. Founded a workingn laptop from recycling centre, but got only 512 RAM.
19:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: did you want to edit debian/changelog with the updates since the previous version? or you want me to take that on?
19:23
<alkisg>
muppis: why is that a reason? I don't think I'd use ltsp for only a couple of clients...
19:23
<vagrantc>
i didn't really do any of the work, other than testing it
19:24
<muppis>
alkisg, even I use it only by myself, I've founded easier to maintain it than multiple standalones.
19:24
<alkisg>
vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/868757/ - I'm only waiting for launchpad to commit the slovak translation before tagging... :-/
19:25
muppis: and why is the client ram a reason to install locally? I would install ltsp-client over local OS installations only for fat clients with lame local network...
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19:28
<muppis>
alkisg, I think it's jsut curiosity to get it working.
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19:28
<vagrantc>
alkisg: bepotes, eh? :)
19:30
wonder what build-time testinng we can do with epoptes...
19:30
<alkisg>
Hehe, bad copy/paste, not in the actual file
19:31
I think it's too early for unit testing, build time testing etc
19:31
I think we first need to get most of the features we want ready (still at less than 50%), then rewrite some parts in a more "professional" way, and finally do all the fancy staff like unit testing
19:32
E.g. video multicasting will be hard but it's necessary for 100mbps networks
19:34
<vagrantc>
even some simple tests might catch regressions, even if we can't test everything
19:40
alkisg: should update debian/copyright with new years, and a new source-format url.
19:42
update debian/copyright: Format: http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/copyright-format/1.0/
19:42
and make sure we comply with it
19:42
<alkisg>
vagrantc: uhh... ok /me reads that, but if you wanna do it, don't let me stand in your way... :D
19:43
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'll check for compliance if you update the years :)
19:43
<alkisg>
Sure
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<alkisg>
What new source-format url?
19:43
Not that one, the whole file, right? Source: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~epoptes/epoptes/trunk/files
19:43
<vagrantc>
Format:
19:43
should point to the current copyright-format/1.0
19:44
mentioned above
19:44
<alkisg>
ty
19:45
<vagrantc>
i don't think any of my changes are really copyrightable, so my years shouldn't need an update
19:48
<alkisg>
Pushed
19:48
<vagrantc>
at a quick glace, i think we're compliant with the format 1.0
19:48
<alkisg>
From launchpad I see that sometimes the translations come the next day, so I don't think it's worth waiting for only 6 strings, they can be published in a later version
19:49
So I can commit debian/changelog whenever you want me to
19:50
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so you're expecting just a few string translations?
19:50
<alkisg>
Yes, 6 sloval translated strings
19:50
*slovak
19:51
So when you're done testing tell me to commit the changelog, no need to wait for them
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<alkisg>
Hmm I got two minor problems, committing fixes...
20:11
<vagrantc>
alkisg: stop the presses? :)
20:11
<alkisg>
Haha
20:12
<vagrantc>
i'm just getting my build environment updated
20:13
<alkisg>
The fun thing now is that we're sending the client shell functions from a file located on the server (via the openssl socket of course) so there's no need for frequent client updates anymore... :D
20:16
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so rev 217 should be available
20:16
<alkisg>
vagrantc: should I push the changelog?
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: i haven't tested yet, it'd be nice to tag a fully updated changelog
20:39
alkisg: you could push the changelog with UNRELEASED, and i can update it and tag and upload, alternately.
20:40
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I think it's easier if you commit it when you're ready... http://paste.debian.net/158554/
20:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: works for me.
20:40
<alkisg>
Thank you!
20:40
<vagrantc>
alkisg: then i can mangle it if i need to
20:40
<alkisg>
Yup
20:41
<vagrantc>
doh. gotta review for standards-version updates.
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: whoah. epoptes-client pulls in a lot of deps/recommends on sid.
21:19
alkisg: ah, zenity.
21:19
<alkisg>
vagrantc: any alternative that we could use in your setup?
21:19
Now that we split the shell functions in a separate file, it should be easy to support multiple different programs...
21:20
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'm just going to go with this for now, but it would be good to explore a less recommend-heavy app in the future.
21:21
<alkisg>
The first idea was to go with the gnome defaults, so that we don't almost anything additional,
21:22
but now that we also support kde, xfce, lxde etc yeah it makes sense to go with the lightest dependency and support alternative ones too
21:22
<vagrantc>
alkisg: sure :)
21:23
man. having lts.conf from the tftp dir keeps throwing me off.
21:23
so used to just editing /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
21:24
and weirded out when configurations are saved between installs.
21:24* alkisg can't wait for the day when lts.conf will be moved to /etc/ltsp/configuration-daemon.d :D
21:27
<vagrantc>
hah
21:27
alkisg: seems like something we could implement in addition to lts.conf and just hook into the appropriate places.
21:28
it could do what the tftp lts.conf hook does, but pulls it from the server.
21:28
so the server generates lts.conf as needed.
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<alkisg>
I was thinking of something similar to the ltsp-cluster boot phases
21:29
one call from the initramfs, one from init-ltsp.d, one from each screen script, on login, on logout, on shutdown...
21:29
And to offer some client info to the server too, for bookeeping
21:31
<vagrantc>
sounds reasonable.
21:35
hrm. couldn't find a suitable pixmap format with broadcast screen
21:35
i'll try with colordepth 16... think i've seen this before
21:40
<alkisg>
ouch, i thought that -24to32 solved that
21:40
It's late here though, thanks + good night
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<vagrantc>
doh. didn't use mkdst, so the version still reports as 0.4.3 ... meh.
22:30
pushing anyways
22:32
uploaded epoptes to debian :)
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