IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 15 November 2013   (all times are UTC)

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16:54
<urly>
Hi ! I still have my sound problem with some clients. I tested lubuntu in LiveUB on my clients, and sound was OK (at startup and then when changing global volume, which I can't do with LTSP).
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18:58
<ioria>
hi, any help in order to boot an old sis900 etherner card ? i have tried anything :(
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19:05
<vagrantc>
Phantomas: i forgot that an updated epoptes was on my todo list!
19:05
Phantomas: looks like you've been making some updates lately
19:07
<Phantomas>
vagrantc: Hey, yep, when will you be available to make a release?
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<vagrantc>
Phantomas: maybe in a week?
19:08
hope to get ltsp, ldm and ltspfs updated in debian this coming week, may as well add epoptes to the list
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<Phantomas>
That's fine with me.
19:11
Thanks!
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<bennabiy>
vagrantc: when is my deadline to get fatclient support updated in ltsp?
19:30
Also, I keep trying to build a fatclient wheezy on my mint box, but it is failing right after initial chroot build when it tries to get the desktop
19:30
what is the desktop I need to tell it for a stock debian desktop?
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: deadline for what?
19:38
bennabiy: you tell it whatever desktop you want.
19:38
<bennabiy>
I tried to, but it was failing with an unknown desktop
19:38
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: it obviously needs to be in debian for it to work
19:39
<bennabiy>
can you tell me a desktop package in debian?
19:39* bennabiy does not use debian with a gui
19:39
<bennabiy>
well, I have one, but it runs mate
19:39
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: just pick a package, any package
19:39
<bennabiy>
what is the default?
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<vagrantc>
define default?
19:40
bennabiy: debian is, for better or worse, about choice, so there isn't a "default desktop"
19:41
bennabiy: if you install from CD or DVD you'll get gnome, but that's only because of how the alphabet works.
19:42
bennabiy: what updates are you looking for a deadline?
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<bennabiy>
to be able to get the changes in for mint, before debian grabs it and then ubuntu... etc
19:43
I saw you say you wanted to get the ltsp ldm etc updated in debian
19:44
also, do you have the ability to put the ldm-mint-theme in debian?
19:44
It is basically modified from the debian joy theme
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<vagrantc>
bennabiy: there's no technical reason the theme couldn't go in debian, but i don't think it's common to include themes of other distros
19:46
bennabiy: i was hoping to get ltsp uploaded sometime this weekend, or maybe next weekend
19:47
<bennabiy>
ok.
19:47
<vagrantc>
bennabiy: more likely next weekend
19:47
<bennabiy>
That is encouraging. I will try to get my changes updated and then will let you know
19:49
<vagrantc>
what are you needing for fatclient support?
19:49
bennabiy: pretty much should just be autodetection of the correct packages to install in the fatclient plugin, no?
19:52
<bennabiy>
yes
19:53
It pulls an ubuntu graphical interface as is right now
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which installs a lot of unneeded stuff
19:55
<vagrantc>
sure
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bennabiy: didn't you say the mint devs included ldm-mint-theme already?
19:56
<bennabiy>
yes, that is true
19:57* vagrantc never liked the ubuntu approach for fat-client-desktops
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<vagrantc>
it should just add the appropriate packages to LATE_PACKAGES
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rather than running another apt-get install
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it seems to also unconditionally install ubuntu-desktop, even if you haven't asked for a fat client...
19:59
that seems broken
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<vagrantc>
and the entry in 030-fat-client for before-install is absolutely pointless
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<vagrantc>
oh, i see, there was a sneaky "return 0" in there
20:15* vagrantc finds that sort of code to be harder to read.
20:15
<vagrantc>
anyways, fixed the one pointless bug in there
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<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
20:40
I've got a question for you smart guys
20:41
does udevd still being used?
20:42
s/does/is/
20:42
i've got a customer setting up a new ubuntu 13.10 server and he needs a process to run to manage a signature pad
20:42
this works great on 12.04
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<ogra_>
jammcq, udev is still used
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the source lives inside the systemd package nowadays and greedy lennart grabbed the name ... but beyond that its still the good old udev
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(called systemd-udev now)
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<||cw>
there'd be a hell of an uproar if there were not a syntax compatible equivalent
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<jammcq>
ogra_: thanks for the info. the manpage changed between 12.04 and 13.10, the newer version advices against starting a daemon from the udev 'RUN' parameter
21:04
which is exactly what we do for a signature pad
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<||cw>
jammcq: still allows it though right? can you file a bug/request for the pad's driver/software?
21:13
<jammcq>
it's my software
21:13
<||cw>
the "right" way is to have the daemon, or a small helper, always run and watch for the device, then do whatever
21:15
but I'd hope RUN will still work, at least for now
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<jammcq>
well... it's really hard for me to debug it, cuz I'm 300 miles away
21:16
so i'm working remotely with the customer and he's having some trouble. he can't get sshd working properly on the thin client, so I can't log in and look at what's going on
21:17
i'll prolly have to setup a 13.10 environment here and play with it
21:17
according to the manpage, it sounds like a change was made to actually go kill any children that were spawned
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<||cw>
yey for virtualization
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<jammcq>
This can only be used for very short-running foreground tasks. Running an event process for a long period of time may block all further events for this or
21:18
a dependent device.
21:18
Starting daemons or other long running processes is not appropriate for udev; the forked processes, detached or not, will be unconditionally killed after
21:18
the event handling has finished.
21:18
my process that i'm starting immediately goes into the background
21:18
it's that "unconditionally killed" thing that worries me
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<||cw>
ok, so how about a daemon that always runs, and a short-run helper from udev that sends a message the daemon to tell it a new device is attached
21:19
this way the daemon doens't even have to run as root
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<jammcq>
yeah, I can do that, but it was perfect before. no daemon runnning, wasting valuable ram, if there wasn't a sigpad plugged in
21:19
<||cw>
proabbly don't even need a daemon, just have it tell the application, and the app can attach
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directly
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<jammcq>
plus, the process would get restarted if they unplugged and then replugged in the sigpad
21:20
the daemon is just some plumbing, reading and writing entries to a database that another web-app on a different server then picks up
21:21
anyway, he's gonna add it to rc.local for now so it's always running
21:21
<||cw>
so it's only a few K ram then?
21:21
<jammcq>
yeah, it's not huge
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