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Channel log from 6 May 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<alkisg>
sbalneav: heh, in sch-scripts we had some code that pinged the clients to get a thumbnail of their screens every 3 seconds. I changed it to `get_thumbnail || exit` and now the processes that were hanging are closed by this simple change!!!
03:32
So I won't be using xexit after all. Great tool though, we should document it in the ubuntu wiki as a (better) alternative to gnome-watchdog.
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<t0mmii>
is there any documentation about ltsp and windows application server? saw a cool youtube vid
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07:37
<Mava>
abeehc: http://xkcd.com/619/
07:37
and why not rest of the people also =)
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<reynolds_>
anyone know whats up with firefox as a local app in ubuntu 10.4
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<thunsucker>
good morning
07:51
<alkisg>
Hell
07:51
o
07:51
:)
07:52
<thunsucker>
lol
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: is there a specific procedure for updating lucid's chroot
07:53
or does the method that was used previously work ok?
07:53
<alkisg>
It's the same
07:53
<thunsucker>
alkisg: ty
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:43
Gadi: Looked at things last night. Should have something workable by monday.
08:44
<Gadi>
sbalneav: thx so much!
08:50
<thunsucker>
sbalneav: good m orning
08:52
<sbalneav>
thunsucker: Morning
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<thunsucker>
wow I love the boot speed of lucid ltsp clients :)
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<thunsucker>
hmmm booted an ltsp client with the rdesktop screen script
10:28
used same settings from a 9.10 setup for audio redirection
10:28
but no sound
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<vbundi>
yeah someone else was having problems with that
10:40
using Optiplex 270s
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<thunsucker>
vbundi: me
10:41
lol
10:41
<vbundi>
oh that was you ;)
10:41
<thunsucker>
but i think i'm having a more generic TS issue
10:42
sounds not even working from xp machines with ts right now
10:42
so i'm checking it out
10:42
<vbundi>
audio service is running?
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<vbundi>
when doing ltsp-update-sshkeys I get WARNING: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh not found.. skipping
10:49
I think theres a typo in the manual entry for ltsp-update-image, at the bottom it says to 'see also ltsp-build-kernels'
10:50
<thunsucker>
well nothing wrong with the TS
10:50
one server was locked up or acting weird
10:50
switched to another
10:50
audio works from xp
10:50
not from linux
10:50
using rdesktop -r sound:local ip-of-server
10:50
<vbundi>
do the terminals get sound when booting a gnome session?
10:51
<thunsucker>
vbundi: yup
10:51
<vbundi>
just not with the screen script
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<thunsucker>
vbundi: right now i'm in a gnome session
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<thunsucker>
just manually running rdesktop
10:52
<vbundi>
oh and that doesn't work either
10:52
weird
10:52
<AsG_>
hey does anybody know where to find a list of packages required for building kde4 image using kiwi-ltsp ?
10:53
<thunsucker>
vbundi: and when i go to system-->preferences-->sound
10:53
the applications tab shows no use of audio
11:01
interesting it looks like y ou should do no call to -r sound:local for the rdesktop script
11:01
it's got that by default
11:01
interesting
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<vbundi>
any idea why my fresh install is giving me an error when I run ltsp-update-sshkeys?
11:06
WARNING: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ssh not found. skipping...
11:06
<thunsucker>
vbundi: of 10.04?
11:06
<vbundi>
yes
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<thunsucker>
vbundi: just a wild shot, you have ssh server installed?
11:07
<vbundi>
on the system yes, I have never had to install it in the chroot for it to work before though
11:07
<ogra>
you dont
11:08
is that a 64bit machine ?
11:08
<vbundi>
yep
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<ogra>
ls /opt/ltsp/ ??
11:08
<vbundi>
i386 is there
11:08
err was there
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<ogra>
aha
11:08
<thunsucker>
Gadi: whats up with the rdesktop screen script using -r sound:local:oss ?
11:09
<vbundi>
I removed it and ran build-image because Im wondering if I ran build-image without sudo before or something
11:09
err build-client
11:10
<thunsucker>
vbundi: why not just sudo ltsp-build-client --with sudo --cause i-forgot
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<vbundi>
thunsucker: darn too late I already re-did it ;P
11:11
<thunsucker>
lol
11:11
<vbundi>
I dunno if that was the problem anyway but I'm waiting on it to rebuild all the same
11:15
<Gadi>
thunsucker: it doesn't by default
11:17
<thunsucker>
Gadi: I think i have it figured out now
11:18
gadi: believe I needed to add RDP_SOUND = nopulse to lts.conf
11:18
instead of SOUND = False
11:20
<Gadi>
interesting - yeah - I had added two RDP_SOUND options in case pulseaudio gave people problems or they wanted to work around the use of pulseaudio - in general, just using regular -r sound:local has worked for me ok
11:21
<thunsucker>
Gadi: okay i can do that, just do my normal -r sound:local
11:21
<Gadi>
but with people giving varying reports about sound issues with rdp, I figured it safe to add the options
11:22
<thunsucker>
Gadi: sounds good. So far the only sound i get is when i load a gnome desktop
11:23
even rdesktop after logging into the gnome desktop isn't working for me
11:23
well rdesktop works but not sound
11:23
<Gadi>
do you have ldm on one screen and rdesktop on a second?
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: most of the time i just have a rdesktop screen and a shell screen. but i removed lts.conf to boot to a generic gnome session
11:25
then once on the gnome desktop, ran rdesktop -r sound:local 172.16.0.123
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<Gadi>
try: padsp rdesktop -r sound:local:oss 172.16.0.123
11:26
<thunsucker>
Gadi: ok
11:29
Gadi: no such luck
11:29
<Gadi>
hmm... nvidia commercial drivers still override opengl libs....
11:29
thunsucker: are you sure the terminal server is set up properly?
11:30
(ie can you get sound from other rdp clients)
11:30
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes it's working my xp laptop
11:31
<Gadi>
and other audio works in ldm session?
11:32
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes nice and loud at login
11:32
<Gadi>
hehe
11:32
<thunsucker>
let me test something else after that
11:38
gadi: sorry for the delay, uploading a test.mp3 to my ftp server
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: works like a champ
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<thunsucker>
so local sound on the gnome session works
11:44
<Gadi>
just not if you open a terminal window and run rdesktop?
11:44
<thunsucker>
Gadi: correct
11:44
<Gadi>
weird
11:44
<thunsucker>
Gadi: i did have to turn the volume up to play the mp3
11:45
Gadi: let me try rdesktop again
11:46
Gadi: no sound
11:46
Gadi: still no sound when running rdeskto
11:49
Gadi: just to double checked, rdesktoped into another server at a different site where audio also works normally
11:49
Gadi: still no audio
11:50
Gadi: these are 2008 and 2008 r2 terminal servers though
11:50
<Gadi>
shouldnt matter
11:50
weird
11:51
does the server have a sound card?
11:51
<thunsucker>
Gadi: no it's inside vmware
11:52
<Gadi>
hmm
11:52
<thunsucker>
Gadi: i will also remind you that this same setup worked with 9.04, upgraded to 9.10 and it worked (occasionally random clients would loose sound til reboot)
11:52
upgraded to 10.04 and no sound at all
11:52
<Gadi>
well, no sound from rdesktop
11:52
<thunsucker>
Gadi: correct
11:53
<Gadi>
you said you have sound from other things
11:53
on 9.10 you had general sound issues, right?
11:54
<thunsucker>
Gadi: yes
11:54
<Gadi>
right
11:54
so, these seem like unrelated problems
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<thunsucker>
Gadi: found a similiar post, the guy said: it's a case of rdesktop not being a PulseAudio compliant app. (VMware has similar issues.)
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<coordinador>
hi
11:58
when i turn on a lts1200 box, it sounds long beeps , what does it mean?
11:59
<thunsucker>
coordinador: you get anything on the screen?
11:59
<coordinador>
nothing
11:59
<thunsucker>
coordinador: 3 long beeps?
12:00
<Gadi>
coordinador: your memory chip is not seated properly
12:00
<coordinador>
oh, ill check that
12:00
<Gadi>
pull the power cable first ;)
12:00
<coordinador>
thank you, i will check now
12:00
<alkisg>
...and press the button once it's off the power, so that the capasitors are emptied :)
12:00
<coordinador>
haha of course , ok, ill see now...
12:00
:o
12:01* alkisg has seen motherboards burned because of that :)
12:01
<Gadi>
and don't lick anything
12:01
<alkisg>
Gadi, tell us a fat* joke... it's been so long since you said one :)
12:02
<Gadi>
heh
12:04
<coordinador>
it seems the chip is well seated, i take off and i put again and lets see what happens
12:05
omg the same :S!!!
12:05
oh god is more than 3 long beeps
12:06
5 beeps...
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6
12:06
:S ill turn it off :S
12:06
<alkisg>
Oh no leave before it reaches 10...
12:06
it might blow!
12:06
:P
12:06
<thunsucker>
BOOM
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<coordinador>
oh god , what does this beeps means?
12:06
<alkisg>
Also check the processor
12:07
The beeps mean that something is really wrong. It could be a burned chip or something not seated well
12:07
<coordinador>
:S
12:07
<alkisg>
The number of beeps depend on the bios, so you can't really know what it is unless you look at its manual.
12:08
Try to push things so that they are seated well; if it continues to beep, try replacing some parts if you have another thin client of the same type
12:08
If you replace cpu/ram etc and it still beeps, it might be the motherboard
12:08
<coordinador>
my box is lts1220 , the processor can be not seated well or it comes stuck to the motherboard?
12:09
ok, ill check it
12:09* alkisg has no clue about specific tc models...
12:12
<Gadi>
coordinador: remove the memory chip entirely and turn it on
12:12
if it makes the same beeps, chances are you need to replace the memory
12:12
<coordinador>
oh my god it was the RAM :S how could that happen? how could mem get bad?
12:13
<Gadi>
RAM goes bad all the time
12:13
that's why servers use really expensive RAM
12:13
:)
12:13
<reynolds>
for ubuntu 10.4 do I need to install firefox in the chroot?
12:14
<Gadi>
reynolds: only if you want to run it as a local app
12:14
<reynolds>
I do? Do I just apt-get install from chroot, and update lts.conf?
12:16
<Gadi>
what is the "?"
12:16
are you asking me if you do?
12:16
<reynolds>
yes
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<coordinador>
the "?" is a question mark
12:16
:)
12:16
<Gadi>
how do I know whether you want to run firefox as a local app?
12:16
you may choose to, you may not
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<reynolds>
sorry, I do want to run firefox as a local app. The second part was a question.
12:17
<Gadi>
ah
12:17
ok
12:17
<alkisg>
Do I want to make another kid?
12:17
<Gadi>
hehe
12:17
<alkisg>
:P
12:18
<Gadi>
reynolds: so, yes, apt-get install <any package> inside the chroot
12:18
then outside the chroot run
12:18
ltsp-update-image
12:18
local_apps is enabled by default in lts.conf, but if you want firefox in the menu to point locally, add LOCAL_APPS_MENU=True
12:18
<reynolds>
got it, I was just wondering if there was anything that changed in 10.4 that changed that. Thanks
12:19
<thunsucker>
Gadi: what do you think about installing the vmware tools in the ltsp server and in the chroot
12:20
<Gadi>
thunsucker: prolly doesn't help in the chroot - unless you plan to use virtual thin clients
12:20
and even then - it prolly doesnt help
12:20
:)
12:20
<thunsucker>
Gadi: :P
12:21
i'm loading it on the server
12:21
sudo apt-get open-vm-tools ftw!
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<vbundi>
!lts.conf
12:22
<ltspbot>
vbundi: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
12:22
<coordinador>
what news brings ltsp of 10.04 ?
12:23
<alkisg>
http://www.stgraber.org/2010/02/21/ltsp-52-out
12:23
<coordinador>
thanks
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<komunista>
hi
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<thunsucker>
gadi: i am reinstalling on a vmware esx 3.x server, instead of on a vmware esxi 4.0 server, that was the only difference from before
12:53
maybe vmware esxi hates ltsp lol
12:53
or vice versa
12:54
<alkisg>
Nah ltsp is fine on esx
12:54
<thunsucker>
alkisg: esx and esxi ?
12:54
<alkisg>
Not sure, I'm working on a remote ltsp server on esx, but I don't know the details
12:54* alkisg has abandoned vmware some years ago
12:54
<thunsucker>
alkisg: esx 3.x and esxi 4 are totally different
12:55
alkisg: I wish i could
12:55
alkisg: what do you use for virtualization now?
12:55
<alkisg>
Ah, ok, I didn't know that. I'm not even sure if that server is esx or esxi...
12:55
I'm using virtualbox in my laptop
12:55
<thunsucker>
alkisg: are you ssh'ed into it?
12:55
<alkisg>
It emulates fine whatever I throw at it, except for win9x
12:56
On the ltsp server, yes. On the esx server no, I don't have an account there.
12:56
<thunsucker>
alkisg: i've tried vbox for ltsp and doesn't seem to work well with 100+ users
12:56
<alkisg>
Why? Where's the bottleneck?
12:57* alkisg has tried up to 12 users...
12:57
<komunista>
alkisg: for me is win98 emulated too :-) only one more driver is needed...
12:57
<thunsucker>
alkisg: don't know, seemed like it maxed memory or cpu out, just ran very very slow
12:57
<alkisg>
komunista: nah, it sucks. Vesa driver, rain20 for cpu usage etc..
12:57
<thunsucker>
alkisg: of course, i was also running vbox on ubuntu, maybe I didn't have something configured right
12:57
<alkisg>
vmware bests vbox at win9x with a vast difference
12:58
thunsucker: maybe you had LDM_DIRECTX=false?
12:58
Or a 100 nic on vbox?
12:58
<thunsucker>
alkisg: I don't use LDM, only rdesktop sceen script
12:58
<alkisg>
? then how could vbox be slow? On boot?
12:58
CPU isn't used for booting terminals...
12:59
<thunsucker>
alkisg: when accessing the vm on vbox, it was very slow
12:59
<alkisg>
thunsucker: ah, you mean the windows vm?
12:59
I thought you were talking about ltsp...
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: for example ltsp booted quickly enough, 30-60 seconds
12:59
then when running rdesktop to a totally different server, it was very very slow
12:59
<alkisg>
But at that point, vbox & ltsp are not used at all
13:00
It's a direct connection from your clients to your other server
13:00
The traffic doesn't go through the ltsp server...
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<alkisg>
(unless you were running rdesktop in a gnome session)
13:00
<thunsucker>
alkisg: i agree but for some reason it was still slow
13:00
<alkisg>
OK, that wasn't vbox nor ltsp then
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: converted the ltsp server to vmware, problem went away
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<alkisg>
That was your local network or your other server or something else
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: who knows i've slept a few times since then
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<munson>
is there going to be any support to have duel, triple, quadriple boot options in near future such as booting thin clients to different hd which has xp, and another hd for vista, and so forth
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<komunista>
alkisg: you are true, but it works and network settings can be tested :-)
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<munson>
i have bout 5 OSś i need to have thin clients bootin into, one at a time ofcourse lol
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<johnny>
if they are going to have hard rives..
13:03
why would thye be thin clients?
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: on the ltsp server you're working on, try: sudo dmesg | grep eth
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<johnny>
munson, what you just said.. makes no sense for thin clients
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<munson>
because they are actual thin clients...no hdś in them
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: does it return: eth0: registered as PCnet/PCI II 79C970A
13:03
<johnny>
well your problem is on the sever side then
13:03
<alkisg>
thunsucker: which one? the vbox or the esx one?
13:04
<johnny>
munson, you will have to write your own menu for that
13:04
there's no support for that in ltsp
13:04
<munson>
ok i installed xp on seperate hd on ltsp server
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: esx
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<johnny>
you can't do that
13:04
you will need a machine that boots xp
13:04
you could run a virtual machine from that hard drive
13:04
and then just log into the virtual machine
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<munson>
kk so seperate server, but on that seperate server can i have multiple osś
13:04
<johnny>
no
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<alkisg>
thunsucker: I need to vpn to it and it breaks my current irc connection, so I'll do it later on if you don't mind..
13:04
<johnny>
not without virutal machines
13:04
<munson>
hmm
13:05
hyper-V?
13:05
<johnny>
tha'ts for virtual machines
13:05
it's meant to improve virtualization (virtual machines)
13:05
<munson>
damn looks like this project is not for me then
13:05
<alkisg>
munson: to connect multiple clients to a windows os, it needs to be a server os. I.e. windows 2008 server etc.
13:05
<thunsucker>
alkisg: no worries i was just curious
13:05
<johnny>
munson, which projects?
13:05
there is no project for you
13:05
<munson>
ya i have 2008 server on my network i have control over
13:05
<alkisg>
munson: for that case, ltsp + rdesktop script are fine
13:05
<johnny>
you will have to build that
13:06
alkisg, but to boot into multiple windows OS
13:06
<alkisg>
johnny: rdesktop to different servers
13:06
No problem there
13:06
<johnny>
sure, but how do you choose on boot?
13:06
<alkisg>
You can even have 3-4 different screens on them
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<munson>
ya i want this thin client boot into windows xp and well give them all an option to boot whatever OS they want
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<thunsucker>
munson: you need to build a virtualized server, running multiple virtual machines
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<alkisg>
No need to choose, you can have all of them
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<johnny>
alkisg, how so?
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i thought rdesktop would need one pointing to each seperate server
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<alkisg>
alt+ctrl+f6 = 2008, alt+ctrl+f7 = 2010 etc
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<johnny>
Xp, vista, etc
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<thunsucker>
munson: or if you want this client to be able to login to different xp machine or servers, you can setup a screen script with rdesktop for each
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<munson>
thunsucker, ya i have hyper-v setup already on 64bit system win2k8
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<johnny>
yes.. screen scripts
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<munson>
hmm
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<johnny>
but the machiens will have to be virtual munson
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and otherwise actually booted
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<thunsucker>
munson: what exactly are you trying to accomplish? you said boot up whatever OS you choose. please be more specific
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<munson>
ok hereś scenario
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<alkisg>
Here's the pxe menu that I have for my clients: http://imagebin.org/94072
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<munson>
i student in technical school and we tried hyper-v which is ok but seen this ltsp so we loaded it up on a box and testing it out, we also have multiple thin client boxes which teacher wants the students to actual have a choice at the boot up menu which OS to get into like when he is teaching win2k8 server then all thin clients load up that
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<alkisg>
The menu part is easy. The windows part is hard, but it isn't an ltsp problem.
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: nice
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<munson>
ya i see that its local for your xp, are u using the vesamenu.m32
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<alkisg>
Yes
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<thunsucker>
munson: Okay i see what you mean. you want the thin clients to boot and actually load server 2008 onto the thin client. Then for his next class boot and load xp, correct?
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<johnny>
make sure you pay for all the licensing..
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<munson>
ya have a choice what to load up whenever they want
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yup yup got it all takin care of
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<thunsucker>
munson: johnny was right, not an ltsp feature
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<munson>
pretty much give a choice to the students what OS they want to mess around with
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<thunsucker>
munson: ltsp is designed to boot a linux desktop
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<johnny>
or rdesktop to a windows machien..
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that's definitely an ltsp feature
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<thunsucker>
munson: the problem you will face is getting windows to boot over the network....it's not just pheasable
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<johnny>
you can log into the windows machine..
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<munson>
hmm
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<johnny>
but actually booting a completely seperate instance.. not that easy with windows
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<thunsucker>
munson: seems like the best option for you is to load the os's he wants to teach on the local pc, then make an image of it and push it out to all the classroom pc's
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<munson>
images? i have windows images but i think these clients can only look at smaller images not a complete 700mg image i tried that and it shows it wants to load but too much info just has nuttin but ..............
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<thunsucker>
munson: another option is setup fat clients, load vbox on the fat clients, and have them grab a fresh copy of a vm disk of 2008 or whichever he wants to run
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<munson>
fat client? never tried that
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<johnny>
or you could log into linux
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<alkisg>
What are the thin client specs? CPU/RAM?
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<johnny>
and then boot the vboses to windows
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full screen
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<thunsucker>
munson: when i said images, i meant to use a program to create an image of the pc like with norton ghost
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<johnny>
i think booting the images inside vbox is probably the way to go
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<munson>
ya i can have these thin clients load up this servers rdesktop and show them how to load up virtualbox and then they can choose what they want but security issue there, they ¨accidently¨ delete crap then they screwed
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<johnny>
munson, uhm.. back it up?
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<munson>
ya we have images xp, vista, win2k, 2k3, 2k8, win87
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win 7
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<johnny>
that's the way you should do it
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just come up with a better backup/restore procedure
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<thunsucker>
munson: even automate it where you type 1 command and it restores
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<munson>
ya thought of that already, but for each user have their own environment?
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<johnny>
sure
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<thunsucker>
munson: yup with fat clients
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<johnny>
that's why they each run their own vbox
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no need for fat clients
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<alkisg>
Do they have enough ram for all that?
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<johnny>
you can do it that way.. but not really feasible with less than 1GB ram in the thin clients
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<alkisg>
Or they only have e.g. 256?
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<johnny>
imo
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<munson>
ya each have account on this server which creates their own environment
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i guess i can create another linux image for them to mess up but ya iĺl write a script to automate the restore features if they remove the windows images from virtualbox
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any good site for fat client or i can just google it
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<thunsucker>
munson: you don't listen or answer questions
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<johnny>
munson, don't bother if your clients don't have at least 512mb ram
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<munson>
didnt read that one
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ya think these old thin clients are only 256
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<johnny>
and i would sugggest at least a gig to loald it all locally
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<thunsucker>
munson: how much memory does your ltsp server have? or will it have
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<munson>
6g
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got a blade server if all works out on this box
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this just a test box with 2g 8.04 ltsp ubuntu version
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i got lots of hardware to use but just gotta figure out if its possible on what teach wants done
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also got that hyper-V for the virtual windows OSś if needed
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<thunsucker>
munson: as far as I know, there is absolutely no way to run windows over the network. the only option for windows is to install over the network
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munson: so i think the best solution for you is to run vbox and have vm's for each OS he wants to teach that you can full screen
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<munson>
ya
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<thunsucker>
munson: then if someone screws up their vm or deletes it
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<munson>
got these thin clients working with hyperv-v and multi os on that one but hell i told him lets go opensource
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<thunsucker>
munson: you run the script to resotre the generic one back to them
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<munson>
ya
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should we purchase vmware-server or stick to virtualbox
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<abeehc>
i'd go with vbox given the choice
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or kvm?
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i'm using esx3 and it's not a lot of fun when you have to get your hands dirty with perf issues
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<munson>
ya tried to create a vm with kvm lol failure
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<abeehc>
hehe
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it took me a while to get a handle on it
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i'm using libvirsh+kvm
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<munson>
ya i think iĺl just go the simple route and use damn vbox
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and if these students remove their vbox image then well they lose everything and iĺl just resend them the basic image they first started with
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<abeehc>
simple is better
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<munson>
ya was hopin for some badass shit ;) like how i wanted but ya me and lab partner just gonna do that vbox crap
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<thunsucker>
whats the format for ltsp-build-client --dist
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if I want to build a jaunty client, --dist jaunty?
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sudo lts-build-client --dist lenny
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<vagrantc>
thunsucker: you got it
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though building debian on ubuntu or vice-versa isn't likely to work very well.
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<thunsucker>
vagrantc: ty, i switched it to lenny
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i mean jaunty
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vagrantc: so there shouldn't be any issues if I run a jaunty client on a lucid server?
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<vagrantc>
don't know
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technically shouldn't be any issues, but it's not a well tested use case, so it might reveal some issues.
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<thunsucker>
vagrantc: I guess I will find out :P
14:08
i would like to run jaunty and lucid
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depending on the client, which works better I'll push them one way or the other
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<johnny>
thunsucker, why bother?
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there's no good reason to run it
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unless fat clients
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i can't think of a good reason to run non fat client chroot of a different version
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minus kernel issues
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<thunsucker>
johnny: I'm having issues with sound, with 9.10 and 10.04
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johnny: this would allow me to run just 1 ltsp server, have most people using 9.10 but still have a few using 10.04
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until I resolve the sound issues with either 9.10 or 10.04
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which at that time i'll only be running one chroot
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johnny: i'm having to knock out 50 people at a time to switch from one production server to the test server
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johnny: also hopefully if all goes well, I'll be converting to fat clients this summer
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johnny: if I convert this setup to fat clients, where every client only needs a rdesktop connection, how much memory would you suggest for them to have
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<alkisg>
thunsucker: you can have multiple kernels for the same image, if it's a kernel problem.
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: not sure whats causing the issue at this point
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<thunsucker>
well my jaunty chroot failed to build so I will just continue to work with a production server and test server
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<alkisg>
You can build a chroot somewhere and transfer it to a different server
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: can i build a jaunty chroot on a jaunty ltsp server, then transfer it to a lucid ltsp server?
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<thunsucker>
alkisg: interesting
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<rmainard>
I am having a very strange issue. The first part is if I have a clean client image I can boot one of user profile but none of the others. The second is that if I change to a vesa driver I can boot and login with all of my users but the system hangs when it logs out. I am using the intel 845g chipset on my thin clients. does anyone have any ideas?
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I can boot and log in/out with only one user if I leave the settings on default. if I change to the vesa I can boot and login with all of my users but I cannot log out without the system hanging up.
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does anyone have any ideas?
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<alkisg>
rmainard: distro/version?
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<johnny>
why are you usin vesa tho?
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is there a good reason to do so?
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perhaps best is to fix the issue that won't let you login with re best drivers possible
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<rmainard>
edubuntu 9.10 because the video seemed to be what was crashing
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<johnny>
or figure out what it is anyways
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might wanna upgrade to 10.04
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<alkisg>
I'd try the following two things: (1) disable compiz and see if it helps with the other users, and (2) put nomodeset and i915.modeset=0 in pxelinux.cfg/default
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!compiz
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<johnny>
that might fix your problem right away
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<alkisg>
rmainard: also, don't upgrade to 10.04, the 845 driver is pretty broken nowadays
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<johnny>
oh :(
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<alkisg>
It either doesn't boot at all or if it does with previous kernels, it crashes when you use xv
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<rmainard>
thanks alkisg I'll try what you suggested
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<alkisg>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/511001
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<rmainard>
does it matter where I insert the i915.modeset=0 in the pxelinux.cfg/default?
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<alkisg>
Right next to "quiet splash"
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...but do those as 2 separate tries
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Don't do them both at once
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(I mean compiz vs modeset)
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<rmainard>
ok thanks
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<davemir>
alkisg: Hello!
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vagrantc: Hello!
16:28* vagrantc waves
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<davemir>
alkisg: How are you?
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alkisg: how are you?
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<alkisg>
Hi
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OK - developing a classroom management app...
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<davemir>
alkisg: I'm at it
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alkisg: know the program iTALC?
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<alkisg>
yup, that's what i'm trying to replace because it hangs too much for my taste
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<davemir>
alkisg: I also want to implement this program but I have doubts in the installation
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<alkisg>
It's easy in ltsp, just an `apt-get install italc-master` on the ltsp server
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<davemir>
alkisg: and client?
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<alkisg>
Nothing for the client
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Just a logoff/logon everyone for the service to start.
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<rmainard>
ltspbot: I tried your command to set metacity as the default manager but that didn't work, the only way I could get it to work was to go into system>preferences>appearances and then turn on visual effects and then turn it back off. Do you know of a way to change this to the default system wide?
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<ltspbot>
rmainard: Error: "I" is not a valid command.
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<rmainard>
huh?
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how do I set metacity to be the default window manager that is used when a new user logs in for the first time?
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<lfaraone>
If my LTSP server has two NICs, can I balance the client connections between them?
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<sbalneav>
lfaraone: Sure, just set dhcp up on both interfaces
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<lfaraone>
sbalneav: well, we're using next-server so the client is being pointed to a certain IP for the TFTP image.
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<sebas891>
hi folks, I don't get why there is no config file in the /etc/nbd-server/ directory.
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dpkg-reconfigure nbd-server has fixed it, but I wonder why I've to do that step.
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<lfaraone>
sbalneav: there doens't need to be.
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<sbalneav>
lfaraone: Ok, so, if you knew the answer, why ask? :)
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Night all, headin' to bed.
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<asymptote>
How would you save the LTSP client's status so when a user shuts down the thin client at night and then come back in the morning they can boot back into the image they were using?
23:42
or is that already implemented?
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<cyberorg>
asymptote, no
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<asymptote>
cyberorg: ok ty for replying
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cyberorg: does my question make sense
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<cyberorg>
asymptote, yes, if you install nxclient in the ltsp client image and use that to authenticate instead of LDM you may be able to do what you want
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<asymptote>
cyberorg: ok cool I'll read up on it
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<cyberorg>
you will of course need nx server
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<asymptote>
I was looking for functionality similar to sun-rays
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w/o the use of the access card
23:55
I wanted to try out these LTSP clients in my company but I was thinking it would be nuts to keep the thin client powered on all night and if the user shuts them down then they'd have to re-dl the image each day which would suck