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Channel log from 8 October 2015   (all times are UTC)

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00:31
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: for what it's worth, i ended up uploading 0.5.8-1 as-is.
00:31
seems to be working fine...
00:47
appears to have been successfully built: https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=epoptes&arch=all&ver=0.5.8-1&stamp=1444265026
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17:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: after more testing, epoptes seemed to be working fine so i just uploaded to Debian
17:40
alkisg: updated my repository with newish versions of ltsp, ldm and ltspfs ... although already made some commits for ltsp since.
17:40
(ltspfs just has some minor packaging updates)
17:45
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I too sent epoptes to the epoptes stable ppa, and epoptes, ltsp, ldm and sch-scripts to the greek schools ppa
17:45
It was release day today :)
17:46
<vagrantc>
still haven't uploaded most stuff to debian
17:47
but i should just get ltspfs and maybe ldm out of the way.
17:47
<alkisg>
I think if you upload ldm soon, stgraber might be able to release it to wily, otherwise wily thin clients won't be able to login due to xorg defaulting to -nolisten anymore
17:47
Only fat clients will be able to login
17:47
<vagrantc>
alkisg: what were the version requirements on that?
17:48
<alkisg>
xorg >= 1.16 needs ldm r1581
17:48
<vagrantc>
um, jessie has 1.16.4, and works fine without it
17:49
<alkisg>
This is the xorg commit: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=cc59be38b7eff52a1d003b390f2994c73ee0b3e9
17:49
Maybe they have a local patch to undo it?
17:50
See also comments #2, 3 4 in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightdm/+bug/1449282
17:50
" That change in Xorg is in 1.16.0 which was first released into Ubuntu 14.10. "
17:52
It took me many hours of troubleshooting 15.10 to fix that, so I'm certain that it affects it
17:52
vagrantc: maybe you're using LDM_DIRECTX=false?
17:53
ssh xorg forwarding isn't affecteed
17:53
*affected
18:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i always test with both LDM_DIRECTX=true/false
18:04* alkisg shrugs
18:04
<vagrantc>
fires up a jessie VM to test
18:16
alkisg: ok, just tested, works fine on jessie with either setting.
18:16
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ...you tested without r1581, right?
18:16
I don't know... what about stretch?
18:17
<vagrantc>
i'm testing whatever was included in jessie when it released
18:17
alkisg: i also mostly use git, so i have no idea what the bzr revisions are :)
18:17
<alkisg>
I'll install a jessie VM when I have some free time
18:18
When you push an ltsp commit, you're using git?
18:18
<vagrantc>
yes
18:18
<alkisg>
Heh, fun
18:18
<vagrantc>
git-remote-bzr, FTW.
18:19
ok, checked my bzr branch, and definitely not using that with jessie, since i built the image long before it was committed
18:19
<alkisg>
We could `apt-get source xserver-xorg-core` and see if the git commit is included or not...
18:19
Or if it has a local patch to undo it
18:20
But anyway if it works, np
18:20
<vagrantc>
i'll also try to verify on stretch
18:20
with xserver-xorg-core 1.17
18:21
if it's only necessary on ubuntu for some reason... hrm.
18:21
<alkisg>
I don't see why an upstream commit would only make it to ubuntu
18:22* vagrantc digs into sources
18:24
<alkisg>
vagrantc: do you know of any quick way to e.g. `apt-get install --reinstall package` in order to get the upstream version of a conffile, e.g. /etc/default/package?
18:25
(that was modified locally but we no longer want the local changes)
18:25
<vagrantc>
meh. the git tag for the version in jessie doesn't appear to be in the repository...
18:26
alkisg: apt-get --purge remove package && apt-get install package
18:26
maybe: apt-get --purge --reinstall install package
18:26
<alkisg>
Eh, that's too intrusive, my package does some serious uninstalling in --purge :D
18:27
Thanks though :)
18:27
<vagrantc>
hrm. alioth's git web interface seems to have issues
18:27
--purge is the only way to reliably get the defaults, as on anyhting else it's supposed to respect local changes
18:32* alkisg checks rm conffile && dpkg --force-confmiss...
18:32
<vagrantc>
wow. haven't had this happen for a long time. can't figure out which git repository the debian package of xserver-xorg-core comes from...
18:34
<alkisg>
Got it, apt-get -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" install --reinstall sch-scripts
18:34
(with an rm to the files we want before that)
18:37
<vagrantc>
hah. the Vcs-Git URL for xserver-xorg points to the wrong repository
18:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: stretch also seems to work with ldm_directx=true for you?
18:39
I can check `apt-get source` in stretch...
18:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: haven't tested yet.
18:39
<alkisg>
ok
18:39* vagrantc got lost in the maze of git packaging for xorg
18:40
<alkisg>
A simple way to test is to run plain xorg, xinit, whatever, and check the 6000 port if it's open or not
18:40
No ltsp code necessary for that part
18:43
vagrantc: `xinit` in stretch tells me it's not listening to :6000
18:43
It should have the issue
18:44
vagrantc: while `xinit -- -listen tcp` does listen on that port
18:46
<lbssousa>
vagrantc: will you upload newer epoptes releases to jessie-backports?
18:50
<alkisg>
vagrantc: jessie live, restart Xorg with plain xinit, it's listening on 6000, verifying what you said
18:50
vagrantc: so obviously the upstream git commit got in debian after jessie
18:51
stretch => affected, jessie => no
18:51
Whoops, houston we have a problem
18:51
We need to update the ltsp code to not use -nolisten tcp in jessie
18:51
So that backports work ok
18:52
<lbssousa>
alkisg, vagrantc: about Xorg commit cc59be, it was first introduced in upstream release 1.17 afaik
18:52
<alkisg>
So Ancell's comment is wrong? He says 1.16, Ubuntu 14.10
18:52* alkisg will check with 14.10
18:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: but it actually works
18:54
<alkisg>
vagrantc: what?
18:54
<lbssousa>
Launchpad's bug mention Ubuntu 15.04, which ships with Xorg 1.17.1
18:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: are you saying LDM_DIRECTX is silently not working?
18:54
alkisg: the DISPLAY is set correctly
18:55
<alkisg>
My checks so far say: jessie works with stock ltsp, it listens in tcp by default. It will break with ldm backport because of wrong parameter -listen tcp
18:55
LDM_DIRECTX=true will only work in stretch with the latest ldm revision
18:55
So what we need now is to change the version check, from 1.16 to something newer
18:56
<vagrantc>
ah.
18:56
<alkisg>
It may be 1.17, or it may need 1.16.5... I'll check utopic
18:56
Well, utopic is already not supported anymore we can just put 1.17 there and call it a day... hehe but ok I'll check to correct ancell's comment in his bug report
18:57
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: if there's interest in a backported epoptes, sure
18:57
lbssousa: will have to wait till it migrates to stretch in ~5 days ... and i've got a few more things i'd like to tidy up elsewhere ... so probaly no sooner than a week or two
18:58
alkisg: i seem to recall when i uploaded ldm 2.2.16-1 to experimental that it worked fine, and that doesn't have the patches
18:58
<lbssousa>
vagrantc: I have :)
18:59
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I don't believe netstat lies... :)
18:59* vagrantc will test
19:00
<alkisg>
vagrantc: 14.10 listens in tcp, so ancell's comment is definately wrong
19:00
I'll update the version check to 1.17 like lbssousa said
19:00
(so that ldm backports to jessie won't have parameter syntax errors)
19:01
<vagrantc>
ok
19:01* lbssousa has commented about Xorg 1.17 on LP #1449282 bug
19:06
<alkisg>
Thank you lbssousa
19:07
<lbssousa>
Is it possible to replace ldm with lightdm for LTSP fat clients?
19:07
I wanna try LTSP here, but I need a multi-seat ready DM.
19:07
<vagrantc>
heh. gnome-classic in stretch fails to start on LTSP, while plain gnome3 works fine.
19:07
madness everywhere.
19:08
lbssousa: yes, it's possible, but you'll miss a few features
19:08
<alkisg>
vagrantc: with -trunk? or your latest releases?
19:08
I think -trunk is needed for that too
19:08
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: localapps/remoteapps, ltspfs device mounting, etc.
19:08
alkisg: needed for what?
19:09
<alkisg>
vagrantc: for some recent DEs to work
19:09
<vagrantc>
with jessie, gnome3 always failed, and gnome-classic always worked.
19:09
<alkisg>
Haha
19:09
<vagrantc>
with stretch it's the opposite for some reason
19:09
alkisg: it's definitely with the (nearly) latest ltsp/ldm
19:09
<alkisg>
I think my fix with DESKTOP_SESSION etc is what fixed gnome3
19:10
<vagrantc>
and something else broke gnome-classic?
19:11
ok, confirmed that ldm 2.2.16-1 fails with LDM_DIRECTX=true
19:11
<alkisg>
ltsp 5.5.4 was published at 2014-10-22, I guess you do have something more recent..
19:12
<vagrantc>
i haven't updated the LTSP stack in Debian since jessie release
19:13
<alkisg>
vagrantc: btw, I saw you changed the default to nbd?!!! :)
19:13
<vagrantc>
alkisg: it's the only way to resolve the issue
19:13
alkisg: in a reasonable timeframe
19:14
alkisg: my preference for NFS loopback images is only marginally higher, and the patches are still sitting in the bug tracking system rotting
19:14
<alkisg>
Cool, if that's permanent it will make the debian/ubuntu ltps instructions the same :)
19:14
Easier to maintain wikies etc
19:15
And I would love it if stretch and 16.04 defaulted to dnsmasq somehow..
19:15
ltsp-pnp package or not
19:16
<vagrantc>
alkisg: ok, i've confirmed that the -listen tcp patch is needed in stretch.
19:16
<lbssousa>
vagrantc: is it possible to integrate ldm tighter to systemd-logind, so that http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/writing-display-managers can be implemented? Its easier to implement steps 3 & 4 first (setting XDG_SEAT manually), and then steps 1 & 2. This is the pathway followed in LithgDM.
19:16
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: i think our efforts would be better spent getting rid of LDM entirely and just using standard display managers.
19:17
which has been on the TODO list for approximately 5 years now, i think... ?
19:17
<lbssousa>
vagrantc: are there plans for that? I didn't kow it...
19:17
I mean, get rid of ldm
19:17
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: yes, want to move to simply using LightDM/GDM/KDM/*DM and pam hooks.
19:18
<lbssousa>
Ah OK
19:18* alkisg also notes that he has been hearing about sssd being the default sooooon.... since 5 years as well :)
19:18
<alkisg>
It's not only about ltsp, it's user management in linux in general that progresses slowly
19:18
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Dev:LTSPPamNotes
19:19
<lbssousa>
Thank you vagrantc!
19:19
<vagrantc>
lbssousa: though we might reconsider libpam-sshauth entirely and just use whatever.
19:20
oh, i remember i need to implement a way to not set a default SCREEN_XX
19:22
<lbssousa>
I've just found this project: https://github.com/opinsys/ltsp-lightdm
19:23
But I'm not sure if it works for fat clients.
19:25
<alkisg>
That's vmlintu,he's frequently here
19:25
They're using a heavily customized version of ltsp, so much it's not really ltsp anymore
19:26
<vagrantc>
though it sounds like the puavo ltsp stuff has some features we should consider adopting
19:27
if we only supported fatclients, it shouldn't be hard to support standard display managers at all...
19:28
where was i in think whole process
19:28
alkisg: you never did get around to implementing that option to set a password hash from lts.conf did you?
19:29
for console login
19:29
instead of SCREEN_02=shell ... would be nice.
19:30* vagrantc has seen far too many SCREEN_02=shell left open for debugging sessions and never commented out
19:30
<vagrantc>
and then rootshells for everyone!
19:31
<elias_a>
:)
19:34
<alkisg>
!hash
19:34
<ltsp>
I do not know about 'hash', but I do know about these similar topics: 'ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH', 'LDM_PASSWORD_HASH'
19:34
<alkisg>
!ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH
19:34
<ltsp>
ROOT_PASSWORD_HASH: to be able to login as root in vt1, with password "qwer1234", put this in lts.conf: INIT_COMMAND_01="sed 's!^root:[^:]*:!root:$6$p2LdWE6j$PDd1TUzGvvIkj9SE8wbw1gA/MD66tHHlStqi1.qyv860oK47UnKcafSKqGp7cbgZUPlgyPv6giCVyCSCdJt1b0:!' -i /etc/shadow"
19:34
<alkisg>
vagrantc: ^ :P :D
19:34* alkisg waves, later...
19:34alkisg is now known as work_alkisg
19:37
<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: thanks!
19:37* vagrantc thinks we should implement that as a feature.
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21:09
<vagrantc>
ok, ldm uploaded to debian unstable...
21:12
meh. epoptes was uploaded with priority=low ... so it'll be 10 days before we can officially backport it
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