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Channel log from 5 January 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<jgbillings>
anyone have experience getting old 2mb s3virge cards working?
00:21
<muh2000_>
my login problem: "kdm: pc5:0[4692]: pam_unix(kdm:auth): authentication failure; logname= uid=0 euid=0 tty=pc5:0 ruser= rhost=pc5 user=user" <-- auth.log :(
00:21
i have this problem for a few weeks now, and i would like to use my terminal again... :/
00:21
it is not kdm, gdm will produce the same error
00:26
<vagrantc>
login from the console?
00:26
does that produce the error?
00:27
<muh2000_>
vagrantc: everything works, shell, locally at the server, ftp, egroupware, jabber, etc, only LTSP does not work. i dont know why, i havent changend anything related to the auth system... :(
00:28
<vagrantc>
any software upgrades?
00:30
<muh2000_>
vagrantc: upgrade routinely every once in a while. me wonders why login at the server works, but not at the termina
00:33
ltsp 4.1 or 2
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
00:38
<muh2000_>
i am using ldap for auth, but i think that is not rly important since the other stuff works :/
00:39
(and it worked before with ldap...)
00:45
<vagrantc>
haven't used xdmcp for so long, no idea what it could be
00:46
<jgbillings>
hmm vesa driver sorta works on these old cards
00:46
hi vagrant, it's john from chicago
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<vagrantc>
jgbillings: 2mb ought to be enough for 1024x768@16
00:47
jgbillings: but i used to have very mixed luck with s3virge cards
00:47
usually used the s3virge driver
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<jgbillings>
yeah, i've got 8 depth now, the s3virge xorg driver is all distorted
00:49
do you usually use the xf86_s3v driver?
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<vagrantc>
no, the "s3virge" driver
00:55
XFree86 4.x or X.org
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<jgbillings>
hmm had problems with that in both edubuntu and using k12 now
00:57
even knoppix
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<vagrantc>
well, good luck.
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<yanu>
Jan 5 11:36:08 192.168.88.5 ypbind[958]: broadcast: RPC: Timed out.
04:37
anyone an id what this means?
04:37
192.168.88.5 is the client, kdm connecting to server ltsp-4.2
04:39
ach, i did an update yesterday, this must be causing my problem: /var/cache/ltsp/ltsp-ypbind-1.14-0-i386.tgz
04:43
hmm
04:44
i think this is the problem:
04:44
Jan 5 11:33:50 kloon kdm[7287]: Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process
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<pachola>
bom dia ?
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<jr_junior>
hello !!!
06:36
As for the module of a network card to rise in the kernel The ltsp ??
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<jr_junior>
06:37
I have a rtl8110 that works with the r8169 module, but when I give the boot ltsp the "kernel panic" saying that the missing module
06:38
As poer this module to climb in the boot of the ltsp
06:38
?
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<jr_junior>
tem algum brasileiro aqui que pode me ajudar no ltsp ?
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<meduxa>
jr_junior better if you wrute in english
07:10
write
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<mighty-d>
Hi
07:41
would you help me?, im trying to integrate ltsp 5.0 on slackware 12 ... so far i downloaded the files in bzr and installed a copy of my distribution inside a file...
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<cliebow>
mighty-d:perhapsyou should unpack the initramfs and see how that is done..
08:52
<mighty-d>
cliebow, where is thie initramfs?
08:53
cliebow, i have these files: COPYING ChangeLog TODO client/ debian/ other/ po/ server/
08:53
iniste other i have: ldm-trunk/ ltsp-trunk/ ltspfs-trunk/ mkdst-trunk/
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<cliebow>
ummm..you dont have an ubuntu to go by?
08:56
there is an awful lot to it..and my notes are at school such as they are..
08:59
<mighty-d>
cliebow, ubuntu to go by?, no , one of the main reasons im trying to make this work is to avoid ubuntu...
08:59
cliebow, i can wait for your notes if you are willing to share it with me ...
09:04
<cliebow>
i know just enough to be really dangerous..but if i were to do it..id start with scripts to install essential serices like dhcp and tftp thru inetd..
09:05
get a kernel to download..and an "initrd"
09:06
shich sets up anenvironment to initialize the network card and do second dhcp request
09:06
with some sort of switchroot to mount the true filesystem
09:07
which initializes soundcards and video
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<mighty-d>
cliebow, i have set dhcp and tftp thru inetd, which kernel should i use?, im only speaking of ltsp 4.2 situation, i dont remember i used initrd in the past, i used ehterboot to get my nic to ask for a kernel image, then it booted, i never really take a look if it gets an initrd image and then asks a second time to dhcp
09:10
cliebow, would you suggest me to build a new kernel?, use a prebuilt of some sort for ltsp?, use my current kernel?
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<cliebow>
mighty-d:are you trying to build a distro-specific ltsp5?
09:28
or using 4.2
09:29
dhcp generally runs standalone rather than via inetd...
09:32
<mighty-d>
dhcp is running standalon, tftp will run via inetd... im trying to build distro-specific ltsp5
09:33
<cliebow>
i believe ogra used the stock kernel..and build an initrd to do the magic...
09:33
im going to my other machine...
09:33
<mighty-d>
ok
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<mighty-d>
cliebow, the initrd should be use for both pxe and etherboot?, or as in 4.2 i should use one of them?
09:50
<cliebow>
if using etherboot the kernel is tagged with the initramfs..you'd have to read the ubuntu script prob to learn to do this..
09:50
<mighty-d>
k
09:51
so, the first thing i should do is to set dhcp and tftp to hand a kernel to a client??
09:51
asking for it...
09:52
<cliebow>
this is a massive job./...
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<mighty-d>
:P
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<MasterOne>
ogra, ping
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10:23
<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
10:23
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', (1 more message)
10:23
<vagrantc>
!more
10:23
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'sbnet', 'paavum', 'bbq', 'guaraldo', 'nx', 'ubuntu', 'docs', 'TWOTF', 'TWOTF', 'Teutonic', 'handbook', 'question', 'ldm', 'suse', 'g', and 'firewall'
10:23
<vagrantc>
yay.
10:23
!more
10:23
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: That's all, there is no more.
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<vagrantc>
!TWOTF
10:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "TWOTF" is (#1) Certainly not., or (#2) a.k.a. The Way Of The Future
10:41
<vagrantc>
!ldm
10:41
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ldm" is For feisty users, a newer LDM will allow you to use the LDM_DIRECTX parameter. Either update to gutsy, or get a backported feisty LDM at http://alburg.net/ldm
10:42
<vagrantc>
!suse
10:42
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "suse" is You can find out about openSUSE's LTSP5 implementation at: http://en.opensuse.org/LTSP
10:43
<vagrantc>
!debian
10:43
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
10:44
<vagrantc>
!localdev
10:44
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "localdev" is (#1) Information regarding using pluggable devices and cdroms with LTSP can be found at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev, or (#2) for ubuntu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices, or (#3) for debian-edu: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEdu/HowTo/LocalDeviceLtspfs, or (#4) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev
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<jammcq>
hey all
11:03* vagrantc waves to jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
11:07
<cliebow_>
cliebow genuflects to jammcq
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<jammcq>
hey cliebow_
11:09
cliebow_: how's the weather out there?
11:09
<cliebow_>
lovely....beautiful beautiful day
11:09
snow melting everywhere
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got the ce off the porch
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got the ice off the porch
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<jammcq>
hmm
11:10
I seem to be having a furnace problem today
11:10
<MasterOne>
BLOODY HELL, I just got compiz working on my thin client with 1920x1200 resolution :)
11:10
<jammcq>
MasterOne: awesome
11:11
<cliebow_>
jammcq:warmed up there?
11:11
<MasterOne>
this is pretty crazy, because I really thought this is not going to work due to missing DRI
11:11
<cliebow_>
MasterOne, id be happy with 800x600
11:11
<jammcq>
cliebow_: it's 36F here today
11:11
<MasterOne>
shouldn't there be an applet to configure compiz?
11:11
<cliebow_>
all of that here as well
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<MasterOne>
If Gadi would be here, I think he would fall off his chair
11:15
<cliebow_>
wait til tonigh..maybe he will fall out of bed 8~)
11:16
<MasterOne>
never used compiz before, how to configure it?
11:25
<cliebow_>
meneither
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<Drakeweb>
hey guys, I'm trying to get sound on my thin client and currently any sound played on the client comes out of the server speaker! Can anyone help?
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<mighty-d>
gotta go now, see ya later guys
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<youngun>
howdy howdy
11:55
I am trying to decide on a distro that works very well with ltsp I am currently using ubuntu ultimate 1.6.
11:56
I have tried mandriva 2008 but could not get kiwi to work
12:08
<cliebow_>
youngun, try cat /etc/issue what does that say??
12:09
<youngun>
uh i am not it now
12:09
<cliebow_>
ubuntu is the flagship for ltsp5..it should work beautifully
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<youngun>
it does but some of the conf are hard to find and i am not good at conf any way google and i are best friends
12:14
my kid are wanting a new distro something more eye friendly I think
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<cliebow>
youngun:you can always try edubunt..xubuntu..from ubuntu by apt-get install xubuntu-desktop or edubuntu-destop..
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<klausade>
vagrantc: is it still "deb http://llama.freegeek.org/~vagrant/debian etch-backports/" that I should use for testing?
13:50* vagrantc looks
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<vagrantc>
klausade: it's no more current than the backports mentioned on: http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP/Howto
13:51
klausade: and a little more official
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i'm hoping to get a new ltspfs uploaded this week, and then i'll work on a new etch backport for ltsp/ldm/ltspfs
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<klausade>
vagrantc: I think I have a patch for ltspfsmounter that creates icons on the kde desktop. need that?
13:54
<vagrantc>
klausade: sure!
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<klausade>
vagrantc: shall i just attach it to a bugreport in debian?
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<vagrantc>
klausade: sounds good
13:55
otherwise, i might forget it
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but i always review the bugs for packages before doing a new upload
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also gives others on the pkg-ltsp team a chance to review it
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<dp>
I'm following the directions listed on the debian wiki about setting up and using LTSP, but when I boot the machine that's supposed to be netbooting, it still fails with disk boot failure. the only boot option in the bios is Legacy LAN. any suggestions?
14:07
<johnny>
uhmm.. sounds like a bug with your PC :)
14:07
you could also try a rom-o-matic floppy/cd
14:07
<vagrantc>
!bootfloppy
14:07
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bootfloppy" is http://etherboot.anadex.de or ftp://k12linux.mesd.k12.or.us/pub/K12LTSP/Universal_boot_floppy
14:07
<johnny>
before that tho
14:07
you could try using the boot menu option some bios have
14:07
<vagrantc>
i recommend the floppy at anadex.de
14:08
<johnny>
iv'e noticed some bios not display errors/showing info unless they hit F12/or some key and choose network boot manually
14:08
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's a good start
14:08
<dp>
johnny: I'll give that a shot
14:08
<vagrantc>
dp: you sure it supports PXE ?
14:09
what generation of computer is it?
14:09
<dp>
vagrantc: not completely. it's an ASUS A8N
14:09
fairly new
14:09
dual core opteron
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<vagrantc>
ok.
14:09
<johnny>
onboard nic dp?
14:09
<dp>
johnny: yes
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<vagrantc>
network booting a dual-core opteron? :P
14:09
<johnny>
ok good
14:09
<dp>
tried going to boot menu, same result
14:10
vagrantc: I'm limited on HDs ;)
14:10
<johnny>
then the floppy is your best bet
14:10
or cd
14:10
maybe check bios updates?
14:10
other folks have similiar problems?
14:10
<dp>
not sure, honestly
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<johnny>
prolly should look that up
14:16
<dp>
looks like people have successfully done it with edubuntu, on that board
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<johnny>
this isn't related to *linux
14:16
or shouldn't be
14:16
try net booting another machin
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<dp>
I agree
14:16
one sec
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<dp>
one of the other machines (also an a8n) has a yukon pxe in the boot menu
14:27
when I try it, it fails stating 'no boot filename received'
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<vagrantc>
well, that's a start
14:28
<johnny>
gotta check your server side config ..
14:28
<vagrantc>
dp: dpkg -l 'ltsp*'
14:28
paste your dhcpd.conf to the pastebot:
14:28
!pastebot
14:28
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
14:28
<vagrantc>
dp: dpkg -l 'ltsp*' | egrep ^ii
14:28
<dp>
only ltsp-server is installed
14:29
<vagrantc>
what version?
14:29
<dp>
5.0.39debian1
14:29
<vagrantc>
thanks.
14:29
dp: is this running lenny or sid ?
14:29
<dp>
do I need dhcpd on that box, if I have a primary dhcp server?
14:29
this is lenny
14:30
<johnny>
no
14:30
<dp>
ok
14:30
<vagrantc>
dp: ah, no. but you'd need to configure the dhcp server to pass the appropriate options
14:30
<johnny>
but you do have to adjust your other server to point to this for tftp
14:30
<vagrantc>
dp: see /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd.conf
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<johnny>
boot file name
14:30
i'm still using dnsmasq
14:30
so i'm not familiar with dhcpd config
14:30
<vagrantc>
that's why there's an example file for both :)
14:30
<johnny>
ltsp + dnsmasq == awesome
14:30
<dp>
*should* be able to do that with openwrt
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<johnny>
i had probelms with the one on openwrt
14:31
but maybe i was n00bish at the time
14:31
<dp>
ok, walk me through dnsmasq then?
14:31
<vagrantc>
ah, this is dnsmasq ...
14:31
<dp>
I'm fine with either solution, honeslty
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<vagrantc>
then /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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haven't tried it for a long time, but it worked about a year ago
14:32
i used to use dnsmasq for LTSP dhcp, but since it wasn't the default, i started using dhcp3-server like all the others
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once in a while i encountered bugs dhcp3-server that i didn't with dnsmasq
14:33
though maybe i should just push LTSP users towards dnsmasq :)
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<johnny>
that would be awesome :)
14:34
i'm using it to serve host names too
14:34
works greatly
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<vagrantc>
dnsmasq is much simpler to set up than dhcp3-server or bind9 or whatever...
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<Q-FUNK>
yup
14:38
I, for one, welcome our new dnsmasq masters
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<dp>
ooh... modified dnsmasq.conf on openwrt based on http://wiki.robotz.com/index.php/PXE_Boot_Server_Configuration_Using_Linux, so far it's working
14:40
getting a tftp timeout :(
14:40
do I need any of the other packages?
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<vagrantc>
dp: you'll need to pass the equivalent dhcp-option for "next-server"
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<dp>
which is option 66... what do I need to pass it, just the ip?
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<dp>
but still getting the tftp open timeout
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<vagrantc>
grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
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<cliebow_>
dp:some bioses wont show for example a prommed etherboot card til you put one in (obviously)
14:59
<muh2000_>
hmmm my login issue at terminals seems to be related to XDMCP... :/
15:00
<dp>
vagrantc: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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<cliebow_>
muh2000: i hac a prob with gdm fr a while...
15:01
muh2000: i hac a prob with gdm for a while...
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<vagrantc>
dp: do you see /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/*/pxelinux.0 ?
15:01
<dp>
vagrantc: I do
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<vagrantc>
dp: what's your dhcp-boot line in dnsmasq.conf ?
15:03
<ltsppbot>
"dp" pasted "dhcp-boot line" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/406
15:03
<vagrantc>
heck, if you're pasting, paste the whole thing :)
15:03
<muh2000_>
cliebow_ were you able to solve the problem? whether kdm or gdm... both dont want me to login anymore :(
15:03
<dp>
well, it's for openwrt, so it doesn't match directly, but...
15:03
<ltsppbot>
"dp" pasted "dnsmasq.conf" (53 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/407
15:04
<vagrantc>
dp: does it tell you which file it's trying to download before it times out?
15:04
<cliebow_>
heh..i ended up using kdm..i di try gdm_2.20.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
15:04
<dp>
no, it doesn't
15:04
<vagrantc>
moronic PXE implementation
15:04
<dp>
I can try the 'legacy lan' boot option
15:04
but I don't know that it'll do any better
15:04
<vagrantc>
that's probably RPL
15:05
<muh2000_>
cliebow_ damn ^^ i am using normal debian lenny :/
15:05
<vagrantc>
dp: so .1.145 is your LTSP server?
15:05
<cliebow_>
you get nologin screen???
15:05
<dp>
yes
15:05* cliebow_ vagrantc is our debian guru
15:06
<muh2000_>
cliebow_ i get a login screen. but user pw -> enter -> back to the login screen.
15:06* vagrantc has barely touched XDMCP for 3-5 years
15:06
<cliebow_>
ohh you updated keys?
15:06
<vagrantc>
i still login to a console and use startx to start X
15:06
<cliebow_>
oops
15:06
Gadi would tell me to be sure there is a homedir for user
15:07
<muh2000_>
vagrantc: hmm that would be worth a try, what do i have to replace for startx in lts.conf?
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<vagrantc>
heh, two days ago, i sat down at a computer, logged in, and started working for 40 minutes before realizing there wasn't a mouse
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muh2000_: no, not that startx
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<cliebow_>
hah!
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muh2000_, anything in server logfiles?
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<muh2000_>
vagrantc: hmmmmm o_O did you mean at a normal workstation(not a terminal) ?
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kdm[16421]: Unknown session exit code 0 (sig 11) from manager process cliebow_
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<vagrantc>
muh2000_: yes
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<muh2000_>
i see ^^
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kernel: kdm[17755]: segfault at 0000000000000000 rip 00002aebf734dfc0 rsp 00007fffb4863b38 error 4
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<vagrantc>
segfault ... that's bad news.
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<muh2000_>
the login at the server works though
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<cliebow_>
gdm do the same thing??
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<muh2000_>
cliebow_ yes
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<Q-FUNK>
warren: have you guys tried -amd 2.7.7.4 on your hardware collection yet?
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<klausade>
vagrantc: have a look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=459369
16:52* vagrantc looks
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<vagrantc>
klausade: looks promising... but i'm curious why you had to use a different case for all the different device names ... ?
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ah, it's to display the appropriate icon
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<vagrantc>
klausade: would that end up showing a file on gnome Desktops ?
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!seen ogra
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: ogra was last seen in #ltsp 2 days, 8 hours, 7 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <ogra> cliebow_, in his cottage i bet
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<klausade>
vagrantc: I have no gnome desktop around. about all the different cases for different device names; I can't quit remember why myself. we wrote it last summer, more as a test-case. feel free to improve it, and code it proper :-)
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<vagrantc>
klausade: thanks
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<dp>
anybody have suggestions on fixing my 'tftp open timeout' error?
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nm, I fixed the problem :)
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<cliebow_>
dp:what did ya do?
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heh
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<ryudo>
!ldm
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: "ldm" is For feisty users, a newer LDM will allow you to use the LDM_DIRECTX parameter. Either update to gutsy, or get a backported feisty LDM at http://alburg.net/ldm
19:50
<PerfDave>
DirectX? LTSP includes WineX now?
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<ryudo>
no
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direcx allow the clients no use encriptation
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sorry poor english hehehe
19:53
anyone have the ldm hack for pixmaps problemans (firefox) ?
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<ryudo>
!nbd
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<ltspbot>
ryudo: Error: "nbd" is not a valid command.
19:56
<allobjects>
Hi all. Can someome tell me if it is reasonable to have a standard Ubuntu desktop act as a ltsp server for one other client and continue to be used as a normal desktop for someone else ?
20:03
<jammcq>
allobjects: yes, definately
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<ryudo>
jaamcq :)
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<allobjects>
jammcq: so it does not have to be a dedicated server but a workstation in its own right ?
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<jammcq>
allobjects: sure, that could work just fine
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<ryudo>
you have ldm hack for fix firefox issues (pixmaps)
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?
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<jammcq>
ryudo: me? no
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<ryudo>
:(
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jammcq other question
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i'm testing ubuntu 7.10 + ltsp5 on my terminals (celeron 333+64mb), and doesnt work, but 7.04 work fine
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<jammcq>
what doesn't work about it?
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<allobjects>
jammcq: and would you recommend that the user on the ltsp server is a standalone standard user or somehow have him be just another ltsp session even though running on the same box .... not sure if I'm making myself clear
20:06
<jammcq>
allobjects: there's no difference between a user who logs in at the console, or a user who logs in on an ltsp workstation
20:06
<ryudo>
on boot (floppy wich etherboot) the terminals stop on ................................done message
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<jammcq>
hmm, dunno
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<ryudo>
And take approximately 5 minutes on this part
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<allobjects>
jammcq: so that user could anytime hop onto another machine and have all their home etc ?
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<ryudo>
but lan cards wich PXE work fine
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<allobjects>
sorry if these are newbie questions
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<jammcq>
ryudo: did you try making a new etherboot floppy? etherboot can do PXE now
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<ryudo>
i try the 5.4.3 on the rom o matic site
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<allobjects>
jammcq: a further complication.. the client machine only has wireless network access @ 54Mpbs would that negate any benefit of running off a faster and more capable ltsp machine ? the client machine is currently a 800mhz box
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<jammcq>
allobjects: how would you boot a wireless client?
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ltsp doesn't support wireless clients.
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<allobjects>
jammcq: I thought it did but only vague references found so far googling
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<PerfDave>
Can you not netboot over wifi just like over normal ethernet?
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<jammcq>
PerfDave: no, you can't
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<PerfDave>
Why not?
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<jammcq>
bootroms don't contain enough code to setup the wireless network
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<PerfDave>
Hmm, even if you had LinuxBIOS on your client?
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<jammcq>
that's just a bios
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<allobjects>
the client machine currently has HDD and is connected to the network wirelessly, so woul dit not be possible to have some minimal local boot on the client ?
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<jammcq>
you still haven't told the wireless card what the essid is or what the WEP or WPA keys are
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plus, most wireless cards are on a pcmcia or usb bus
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there's not enough code in the bootrom to initialize those busses
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<PerfDave>
jammcq: I'm pretty sure you can do that in LinuxBIOS.
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<ryudo>
jammcq
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<jammcq>
pxe and etherboot only support ISA and PCI bus
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PerfDave: if you can do it, people would love you
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<allobjects>
PerfDave: 1 vote from me
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<PerfDave>
jammcq: I was looking at using an XO as a wifi-netbooting thin client, initialising the wifi in the BIOS.
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<ryudo>
the etherboot floppy use /ltsp/i386/nbi.img to boot ?
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<jammcq>
ryudo: ummm, with Ubuntu, I don't remember what the image file is called
20:18
I've been out of ltsp development for quite a while
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<allobjects>
but seriously in my case, is it not possible to have some minimal boot on the clients local hdd which sets up the wireless first ?
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<jammcq>
allobjects: well sure, but that's not ltsp
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<ryudo>
hum my dhcp have two lines of boot
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filename "/ltsp/i386/nbi.img";
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ilename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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<jammcq>
ilename?
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<ryudo>
ops
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filename "/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0";
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so i need erase nbi.img
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?
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<jammcq>
ryudo: maybe
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give it a try
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<ryudo>
i try it :D , other question ldm2 its crashing on my terminals (segmentation error)
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<jammcq>
hmm
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how much memory in the client?
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<ryudo>
64 mb :(
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<jammcq>
that should be enough
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<ryudo>
and 32 mb nbd swap ( how i'm icrease that?)
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<allobjects>
So should I be looking at another solution ? I have 1 x 700mhz CPU box and 1 x 3000mhz cpu box and for some applications e.g. Gimp or Inkskape the 700mhz box struggles so would like to leverage session on the faster box
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<jammcq>
allobjects: does the 700mhz box have a hard disk?
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<allobjects>
jammcq: sure does and currently running Ubuntu
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<jammcq>
allobjects: no problem. just use 'ssh -X remote_machine'
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to log into the other machine
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then, you can run your apps on the remote machine
20:24* allobjects concerned he is wondering off topic
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<jammcq>
they'll display back to your 700mhz machine
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<allobjects>
jammcq: I assume that could be set up seemlessly e.g. a shortcut/link/launcher on users desktop
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<jammcq>
sure
20:25
create a public/private key pair for the client
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copy the public key to the remote machine, so that you can use SSH without it asking for a password
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then, setup a menu entry to call a shell script that does the 'ssh -X remote_machine app_name'
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<allobjects>
jammcq: sounds like it may do the trick...although the user would end up with files spread ac ross two machines,
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<jammcq>
yeah, true
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<allobjects>
ut I guess I could also mount remote home on the client
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jammcq: I also wonder if I will create an admin nightmare for me every time th euser discovers yet another app which is a bit slow
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<jammcq>
I can't answer that one
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<allobjects>
jammcq: although not ltsp, is it possible for the user to boot their local Ubuntu with wireless as now, but then the remainder of their session is on teh remote box ? e.g. they get a full remote desktop ?
20:32
<jammcq>
sure
20:32
for that, you'd start your X server on the client and have it do a '-query remote_host'
20:32
that would give it a session on the other host
20:33
<allobjects>
jammcq: that would be better then VNC ?
20:33
<jammcq>
I think so
20:33
vnc is good for remote administration type stuff, but it's not very good for running real apps on a daily basis
20:34
<allobjects>
jammcq: appreciate your time and help. Could you step me through how to set that up ? (sorry still a bit of linux newbie)
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<jammcq>
hmm
20:34
i'm pretty rusty with that stuff
20:34
<allobjects>
jammcq: if I'm off topic or you don't have time I understand
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<jammcq>
you'd need to configure your display manager (gdm) to accept remote connections
20:35
that's on the server
20:35
'login manager' I think it's called in the ubuntu System->Admin menu
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<allobjects>
jammcq: Gutsy seems to have something called 'Login Window' under Admin which has local & remote tabs etc
20:38
<jammcq>
there ya go
20:38
<allobjects>
jammcq: currently has 'Remote login disabled''
20:41
options are 'same as local' and 'plain with face browser' .. either I guess but sounds like I might nead to read up on what is possible with all this remote login... if you have a link handy I'll stop wasting your time
20:42
<jammcq>
I don't
20:43
<allobjects>
jammcq: np, thanks for your help I'll investigate this avenue and I may find I don't need to go down ltsp route
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<jammcq>
chupa: hey
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