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Channel log from 2 July 2007   (all times are UTC)

00:07
<vagrantc>
sahil: souded like ogra just got it working earlier
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<cyberorg>
hi vagrantc, you guys aught to check this out, may be you would like to integrate it in ltsp http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/remote-x-with-local-compositing
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<sahil>
ping: ogra
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02:48
<sahil>
anyone home?
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04:01
<sahil>
has anyone used italc with ltsp?
04:03
<klausade>
sahil: I know that the German debian-edu/skolelinux community uses it a lot.
04:04
<sahil>
thanks klausade i was wonder specifically it in comparison to the fl_teacher tool
04:05
<klausade>
sahil: I just briefly know both, but can't make any comparison.
04:05
<sahil>
ok thank you
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04:29
<gvy>
*yaaawn*
04:29
mornin'!
04:31
<sahil>
mornin!
04:31
and a beautiful one it is
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04:43
<sahil>
has anyone run a local apache server in conjunction with ltsp? specifically can i define the /etc/hosts for all my clients
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05:18
<sahil>
is there a way to do what sabayon does without the gui?
05:35
or rather is there a sabayon alternative
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05:56
<ogra>
sahil, i have a working oss driver for the current ubuntu gutsy kernel but thats still a bit shaky, give me some days and i'll package it up
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06:01
<magnus123>
hi there, i've got a problem with my nvidia-card... it says: nvidia: module not found... and then the client hangs without X
06:06
<gvy>
nvidia is a proprietary module
06:06
"nv" is free
06:06
either fix something to use nv or provide nvidia
06:07
<magnus123>
okay... i want the nvidia-module because of 3d-acceleration...
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06:11
<magnus123>
i read this document: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/VideoCards then i downloaded the nvidia-package and changed my lts.conf but that didn't work...
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07:24
<CyberScript32>
hi =)
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07:25
<cdealer>
Anyone knows how to make skype works on ltsp 5 clients ?
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07:34
<cdealer>
no one? =/
07:35
<siji>
I dnt have any idea friend
07:38
<cdealer>
yeah.. its being a very hard task to do
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07:56
<ogra>
cdealer, http://developer.novell.com/wiki/index.php/Edgy/HOWTO:_PulseAudio note that ubuntu defaults to pulseaudio since feisty (but capturing isnt set up automatically)
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08:21
<cdealer>
[ogra]: I will give a look... thanks
08:23
[ogra]: I have tryed this guide... but when running the pulseaudio command it outputs an error
08:24
main.c: daemon startup failed.
08:26
<ogra>
well, pulse is already started by default in newer ltsp5's you dont need to fiddle with that, also dont install any of the packages listed there, have a look at the ltsp-client (or in gutsy ltsp-client-core) initscript, it has the pulse commands ... if oyu installed and alienated rpm packages i'd suggest to rebuild the chroot first
08:27* ogra didnt finish the integration of hal and dbus on thin clients yet, i hope to have that done in time for gutsy, then it will be very easy to use capturing etc
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09:02
<str4nd_>
awaymsgs :(
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09:04
<cdealer>
[ogra]: now its too late... I have followed the guide many time now... better redo the ubuntu instalation (its still a testing box anyway) =)
09:04
<Lumiere>
cdealer: can we avoid the colors please
09:04ChanServ sets mode: +o Lumiere
09:04
<cdealer>
ok, sorry
09:04Lumiere sets mode: +c
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09:04
<Lumiere>
that should do
09:04
:)
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09:08
<exp__>
is there a way to change default printer by cliet location?
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09:30
<ogra>
jammcq, !
09:30* vagrantc waves
09:30
<jammcq>
g'morning kids
09:31
<ogra>
jammcq, i got a working driver for the sis7019 ...
09:31
<jammcq>
oh?
09:31
alsa ?
09:31
<ogra>
nope, i fixed the oss driver
09:31
its still buggy though ...
09:31
<jammcq>
hmmmm
09:31
<ogra>
pulse works fine if i start it manualy on the console ... but hangs the system if it is autostarted
09:32
(with the exact same commandline)
09:32
<vagrantc>
awesome
09:33
<ogra>
sadly i have to ship half of the oss stack in the source ... upstream dropped all oss stuff from
09:38
<cyberorg>
hi guys, did you see x-attachinator demo?
09:41
<ogra>
cyberorg, whats that ?
09:42
<cyberorg>
ogra: remote X, local compositor
09:43
http://idea.opensuse.org/content/ideas/remote-x-with-local-compositing
09:43
<ogra>
thats empty
09:44
but if you mean AIXGL support, we have that in ubuntu since feisty :) its pretty cool ... from gutsy on ubuntu also defaults to compiz as window manager
09:44
oh, a reload fixed it
09:45* ogra wouldnt run compiz on the client though ... that puts more load on the client side ... just forwarding the GL stuff is really enough ;)
09:46
<cyberorg>
ogra: empty?
09:46
<ogra>
it was, yes, a reload fixed it
09:46
<cyberorg>
there is a google video embedded in there
09:46
<ogra>
yep
09:46
i see it now ...
09:47
we played a lot with composite stuff in sevilla ... try out ubuntu ltsp on an intel based client, it rocks and is faster than running it locally from disk ...
09:47
its also less network hungry ...
09:48
<cyberorg>
this one you can attach and reconnect to the remote x any time
09:48
<ogra>
and i'm just running a test here to prove that it also saves battery to use compiz (if you dont use the plugins but the GL implementation)
09:48
<cyberorg>
wow, cool
09:48
<ogra>
well, why would i need to detach ?
09:49
<cyberorg>
if you switch off client and reconnect?
09:49
<ogra>
in ubuntu we check if the X display is composite capable if you log in ... in cases where its there we just use composite by default ... in cases where it isnt it falls back to metacity automatically
09:50
i dont really see a need to switch it on and off for the X server
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09:51
<cyberorg>
may be we will see some use cases once the idea is practically implemented
09:51
<ogra>
right
09:52
code is always a convincing factor ;)
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<hatter>
hello, I have just tried a debian etch ltsp server with an epia-ml via mobo, it is getting an ip address from dhcp but then stopping at - trying to load:pxelinux.cfg/01-00-40... etc
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<vagrantc>
hatter: strange ...
10:39
<klausade>
hatter: what happens after load:pxelinux.cfg/default ?
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11:12
<fil_>
hi all
11:12
I just installed the server in a Debian based system
11:13
by apt
11:13
my question is..
11:15
..I just follewed the debian wiki ltsp page , but I use an external dhcp server
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so what can do to configure the dhcpd.conf in this server?
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11:38
<ogra>
fil_, make sure root-path and next-server are set properly in that server
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11:47
<fil_>
thanks ogra
11:48* vagrantc wades through UK buerocracy
11:48
<ogra>
hooray, buerocracy
11:52
<fil_>
for example:option next server 192.168.0.254
11:52
<vagrantc>
fil_: look in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples
11:55
<fil_>
I already looked there vagrantc!
11:55
I can see only an example dhcpd.conf without...
11:56
special option for separated dhcp server
11:57
<ogra>
cyberorg, do you know what he's using for proxying the X server ?
11:57
<cyberorg>
ogra: no clue, he said in the demo that it is the first time he is actually using all that he developed during hackweek
11:58
<ogra>
ah
11:58
well, we did experiment with Xmove in the past ... but thats utterly broken, i was hoping for something new :)
11:59
but he doesnt talk about the proxy stuff much ...
12:02
<vagrantc>
fil_: well, there's nothing special you need to do ...
12:02
<ogra>
vagrantc, well, you need next-server for tftp with an external dhcp....
12:02
<vagrantc>
fil_: those are the options your dhcp server needs to have configured and pointing to the right places ... mainly, like ogra said, root-path and next-server
12:03
ogra: yes, but that's in the example file on debian
12:03
<ogra>
right
12:03
<vagrantc>
or maybe the next-server wasn't included in etch ...
12:05
<ogra>
hmm, in my edgy branch i dont even see a dhcpd.conf example in the doc dir
12:05
only your dnsmasq example
12:05
<fil_>
ok I'm going to try to append: next-server 192.168.xx.xx
12:05
<vagrantc>
next-server 192.168.0.1;
12:06
of course, using the ip of your server
12:06
<fil_>
yes
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12:08
<masus>
hi all, i have a xubuntu with ltsp installed. But if i want to boot a client i can see loading linux and ready.
12:08
after this it's waiting
12:08
can anybody help
12:09
this is my ltps configuration --> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/28242/
12:09
<ogra>
you can drop "quiet splash" in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default then you get more output
12:10
masus, oh, you run ltsp 4.2 ?
12:10
not much i can help then ...
12:11
<masus>
i thin the latest version
12:11
<ogra>
nope
12:11
<masus>
i have installed it with sudo apt-get
12:11
on a xubuntu 7.04
12:11
<ogra>
where di you get that output from ?
12:11
the one you dropped to the pastebot
12:11
<masus>
sudo lstpcfg -P
12:11
<ogra>
thats a 4.2 command
12:12
ltsp5 doesnt use ltspcfg or ltspadmin
12:12
<masus>
but this one i have installed later with tar.gz
12:12
because that was not installed
12:12
<ogra>
its incompatible, remove it, it will likely break something
12:12
(if it didnt already)
12:12
<masus>
but how to configure ?
12:13
without it
12:13
<ogra>
through lts.conf ... or through normal package maintenance chrooted in /opt/ltsp/i386
12:13
<fil_>
excuseme , how can I watch the version number?
12:13
<ogra>
ltsp5 confoigures everything automatically, you dont need to setup anything beyond whats listed on the ubuntu wiki
12:13
!ubuntu
12:13
<ltspbot>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
12:14
<masus>
he do it all ?? dhcp tftp and so on ?
12:14
<ogra>
fil_, for ubuntu or debian with ltsp5 you can use: dpkg -l ltsp-server
12:14
<vagrantc>
ogra: i've had a hard time finding a wiki page for configuring local devices ... i know it exists ... but it isn't in the UbuntuLTSP namespace
12:15
<masus>
ltsp-server 5.0.7 Basic LTSP server environment
12:15
<ogra>
for the former versions that were not integrated in the distro there is a /etc/version or so in the chroot dir
12:15
vagrantc, yeah, its a slight mess
12:15
<vagrantc>
i mean, it's usually, instal ltspfs and add your users to the fuse group ...
12:16
<ogra>
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
12:16
<vagrantc>
oh, next-server wasn't added until the version post-etch
12:16
<ogra>
hmm, its not even on the edubuntu FAQ ....
12:16* ogra makes a note to add it to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ
12:17
<fil_>
ogra , I found this output: " 0.99debian12 Basic LTSP server environment"
12:17
<masus>
ogra but i have 2 interfaces eth0 and eth1 ltspcfg do it i can select from tehre the default interface
12:17
<ogra>
masus, yes, it does configure dhcp tftp etc for a standalone ltsp server if you run ltspadmin it will break that configuration
12:17
fil_, yeah, thats etch ...
12:17
<masus>
ogra thanks i'll try again
12:18
<fil_>
version 5 LTSP ?
12:18
<ogra>
fil_, we switched to the 5.x versioning scheme in ubuntu edgy when debian etch was already frozem so you have a slightly older version number
12:19
<fil_>
aah
12:19
<vagrantc>
fil_: are you running lenny or etch ?
12:19
<ogra>
(edgy had 0.124, feisty has 5.0.7)
12:20
<fil_>
I'm running it in my test machine: Linux Dreamlinux 2.6.18.1-kanotix-1 #1 SMP PREEMPT
12:20
<vagrantc>
hrm.
12:20
<ogra>
(apparently we switched after edgy :P ...9
12:20
<masus>
ogra: last question , how to configure after i remove the package ltsp-utils
12:20
<vagrantc>
fil_: what linux distro are you running ?
12:20
<masus>
sudo ltsp-build-client ?
12:20
<ogra>
masus, where did you even get that package, we deliberately removed it from ubuntu two releases ago
12:21
masus, just follow the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall doc
12:21
<masus>
http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/utils/ltsp-utils-0.25-0.tgz
12:21
<fil_>
DreamLinux is a Debian based Distro using Debian repository
12:21
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ has some other docs
12:21
<vagrantc>
oh fun.
12:22
<masus>
ok :) i'm a newbie ... sorry
12:22
<ogra>
masus, we all were once ;)
12:22
<masus>
and thanks
12:22
;)
12:22
<ogra>
dont hesitate to ask :)
12:22* vagrantc can't wait to be a newbie again
12:22
<masus>
thanks
12:22
<ogra>
vagrantc, become a violinist :)
12:23
<vagrantc>
that reminds me, i have my clarinet here.
12:23
<ogra>
or NBA football player
12:23
*g*
12:23
<vagrantc>
and soon, i'll be re-united with my saxaphone
12:23
<ogra>
cool, you never told me you play saxophone
12:24
<fil_>
thanks guys I'm going to work a lot tonight...my configuration seems a bit complex.
12:25
<vagrantc>
fil_: it's not *that* complex :P
12:27
<fil_>
;)
12:27* ogra just noticed dberkholz speaks at OSCON
12:28
<ogra>
<-- will likely be there as well ... as time at ubuntulive permits :)
12:28
<dberkholz>
ogra: cool
12:29
ogra: there's also supposedly an ltsp hack session at some point, i hear
12:29
<ogra>
heh, i wasnt even aware they are merged events :) OSCON==ubuntulive heh
12:29
dberkholz, hmm, not that i'm aware of ... i hold a talk about ltsp there ... and i know maddog will hold anoter one
12:30
<dberkholz>
ogra: well, that's what jammcq has been saying
12:30
<ogra>
(mine will rather be development centric and about the ucoming features, maddog talks about using ltsp )
12:30
<vagrantc>
whenever sufficient LTSP folks converge on one place, we may as well have an LTSP shindig
12:30
<ogra>
dberkholz, it wasnt clear yet
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: you going there too?
12:30
<ogra>
we will all be there (or many of us at least)
12:30
<vagrantc>
dberkholz: i'm heading back to portland soon, yes :)
12:31
<dberkholz>
looks like i'll be busy thursday night but wed night could work, or maybe during the day thurs
12:31
<ogra>
so we wont be able to keep away from our addiction i guess and sit in a corner coding our asses off :)
12:33
vagrantc, oh thanks for adding the localdev stuff to UbuntuLTSP :)
12:33
<vagrantc>
ogra: yeah. it ain't purty, but it needs to be there.
12:33
<ogra>
yeah
12:33
<dberkholz>
would at least be fun to get lunch or dinner if people are doing other stuff the rest of the time
12:34
<ogra>
needs cleanup later ... i'd like to have all stuff in the UbuntuLTSP namespace
12:34* ogra just found out he talks on monday 12:10 pm
12:34
<ogra>
http://www.ubuntulive.com/cs/ubuntu/view/e_sess/14463
12:35
no, i wont talk about fat clients :P i didnt make u the title
12:35
<jammcq>
dberkholz: whatchya talking about at OSCON ?
12:36
<ogra>
yeah
12:36
<dberkholz>
jammcq: just a quick update on gentoo
12:36
how we're getting work done despite the flamefest overhead
12:36
<jammcq>
hmm, gentoo's still around?
12:36
<ogra>
*giggle*
12:36
<jammcq>
bwahahahaha, sorry, couldn't resist
12:36
<dberkholz>
probably going to talk about the trio of package managers
12:37
<ogra>
package managers ?
12:37
gentoo ?
12:37
<dberkholz>
yeah. two groups of people wrote their own after getting frustrated with the default one.
12:37
<ogra>
there is something beyond emerge ?
12:37
<dberkholz>
i have an article that should show up in lwn this week if you're interested
12:37
<ogra>
i'll read it :)
12:38* vagrantc is so happy ubuntu didn't switch to smart
12:38
<dberkholz>
smart is a high-level PM on top of rpm, though, right?
12:38
<ogra>
it was planned ... we even hired smart upstream :)
12:39
dberkholz, smart is a multi package manager ...
12:39
<dberkholz>
i'm talking about 3 that go all the way from "bare metal" to high level
12:39
<ogra>
its toplevel and can use rpm as well as .deb
12:39
<dberkholz>
reading the files directly, not just running rpm and deb underneath
12:40
<ogra>
well the package management tools are just helpers ...
12:40
you can get any info you want out of a deb to touch files directly
12:41
vagrantc, there might still be a plan to swithc to smart at some point if LP is ready fo rthat
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<vagrantc>
eeyk
12:42
<dberkholz>
i've used smart on suse, it was pretty alright.
12:42
better than all the broken ones shipped with 10.1
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<masus>
ogra: Boss are u there :)
13:30
i have install a fresh copy of xubuntu 7.04 and configure my ethernet card ( static 192.168.0.1 /255.255.255.0 ) and after sudo apt-get install ltsp-server-standalone openssh-server, sudo ltsp-build-client
13:30
and now i'll test it ;)
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<masus>
ogra: can u help me at step 2, i have do all what u say and -
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now ihave boot a thinclient
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i see a black screen with
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loading vmlinuz
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loading initrd.img .........
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and Ready .
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but after nothing
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<masus>
!ubuntu
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<ltspbot>
masus: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<masus>
!xubuntu
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<ltspbot>
masus: Error: "xubuntu" is not a valid command.
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<rhombus>
Where can I found out about how to change X resolution on terminals?
15:29
<rcy>
rhombus: //opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf.readme i think
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<rhombus>
rcy: thanks, I'll check it out
15:32
rcy: hmn -- doesn't seem to exist -- I'm using version 5
15:32
<rcy>
not sure then.
15:32
<rhombus>
rcy: how did you set your screen resolution?
15:32
<rcy>
I set it in that file for certain mac addresses
15:33
<rhombus>
rcy: did you have to change xorg.conf?
15:33
<rcy>
nope.
15:33
ltsp generates xorg.confs at boot time
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at least my version does
15:33
<rhombus>
brilliant
15:33
which version are you using?
15:33
<vagrantc>
set X_MODE_0 = 1024x768 in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<Gadi>
rhombus: in UbuntuLTSP, you can only adjust default resolution with X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH (horizontal and vertical sync frequencies of the monitor)
15:33
<rcy>
you know what, im not even sure. i did an apt-get install ltsp-admin or something on debian edgy
15:33
<vagrantc>
or whatever resolution you want
15:34
<rcy>
im not sure how to find out the ltsp version :(
15:34
<vagrantc>
oh right. ubuntu's broken.
15:34
rcy: there is debian etch, and ubuntu edgy ... which are you running?
15:34
<rcy>
debian etch
15:34
<rhombus>
Ubuntu's broken?
15:34* rcy is a bsd guy
15:34
<vagrantc>
ubuntu doesn't support X_MODE_0
15:35
<rhombus>
vagrantc: man, that's annoying
15:35
<vagrantc>
rcy: if you're using ltsp-utils, you're using ltsp 4.x
15:35
rcy: which is incompatible with the currently ltsp 5 implementation in debian etch
15:35
<rhombus>
Gadi: so how do I translate X_HORZSYNC and X_VERTREFRESH into a resolution?
15:36
Gadi: is this documented anywhere?
15:36
<vagrantc>
rhombus: another approach is to use a static xorg.conf
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15:37
<Gadi>
rhombus: just use the correct ones for your monitor
15:37
then, adjust resolution in your session if you do not want the highest
15:37
<rhombus>
Gadi: I can get the correct ones by probing the monitor, correct?
15:38
(why doesn't Ubuntu work with X_MODE_0?)
15:38
<vagrantc>
rhombus: bad design decision, i think.
15:38
<Gadi>
rhombus: because it wasnt implemented
15:38
you can get the correct values from your monitor
15:39
or from its specs
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<rhombus>
no specs available -- this is an old monitor... I'm trying to remember how I probe the monitor :\
15:39
<vagrantc>
it was intentionally not implemented in ubuntu's xorg ...
15:39
from what i hear
15:39
<rhombus>
I see
15:40
<Gadi>
it should be probed automatically
15:40
if not, just try a range
15:40
<rcy>
vagrantc: what do i install to use 5 on etch? theres no version numbers i can find anywhere in etch
15:40
<Gadi>
X_HORZSYNC=30-80
15:40
<vagrantc>
!debian
15:40
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
15:40
<Gadi>
X_VERTREFRESH=60-75
15:40
<rhombus>
Gadi: and it will just give me all the resolutions within that range?
15:40
<Gadi>
yeah
15:40
<rhombus>
okay, I'll give that a whirl
15:41
<vagrantc>
rcy: try that. be sure to get rid of all the ltsp 4.x stuff you currently have installed
15:41
<Gadi>
if its a really old CRT, dont make the horizontal too high
15:41
<rcy>
vagrantc: thanks.
15:41
<rhombus>
Well, from within KDE I did a probe and got some values
15:41
<Gadi>
gotta run
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<vagrantc>
rcy: i.e. /opt/ltsp/* and you might need to re-do your DHCP configuration
15:42
rcy: feel free to improve the sparse documentation on the wiki page :)
15:43
<rhombus>
Do I have to put the screen resolution in a host-specific section, or can I put it in default?
15:43
<vagrantc>
if all your machines can use the same settings, then default
15:43
<sahil>
jammcq, you around?
15:43
<vagrantc>
if some are different, then you need to do it on a host-by-host basis
15:44
or if most of your machines use the same settings, you can put it in default, and only make entries for specific hosts that are different
15:44
<rhombus>
vagrantc: thank you
15:50
blast, it didn't work
15:51
now the resolution appears to be... 640 x 480? I can't tell -- seems the same as before, although KDE says it was 800 x 600 before
15:52
and the screen refresh is still at 60 Hz, which is really painful (it's a standard CRT)
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<rhombus>
I wish the documentation were better.
16:00
vagrantc: What's the best platform to run LTSP on? I want to have a KDE desktop.
16:00
<vagrantc>
!bestdistro
16:00
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "bestdistro" is not a valid command.
16:00
<vagrantc>
hrm.
16:00
ltspbot: factoids search --values
16:00
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', 'download', 'monkeys', 'ogra', 'nfs', 'nfsnotresp', 'js', 's', 'troubleshooting', 'sbnet', (1 more message)
16:00
<vagrantc>
ah!
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!bestltspdistro
16:00
<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "bestltspdistro" is whatever you prefer
16:03
<rhombus>
vagrantc: i'm just looking for one that will work :)
16:03
yesterday I was running Ubuntu 6.06 server, and I couldn't log in
16:03
today I installed Kubuntu 7.04, and now I can at least log in
16:04
but now I find out that Ubuntu doesn't actually support all the LTSP features
16:04
what I really want is to take whatever distribution will support LTSP the best so that it "just works"
16:04
<vagrantc>
ubuntu has the most complete implementation out there for LTSP 5.
16:05
edubuntu in particular
16:05
<rhombus>
can I use KDE with edubuntu?
16:05
<vagrantc>
you can try, but it isn't installed by default
16:05
<rhombus>
hmn
16:05
sounds painful
16:05
i'd happily read instructions, if there were any
16:05
<vagrantc>
you must have a low pain threshold
16:06
<rhombus>
vagrantc: well, not exactly
16:06
I don't like groping in the dark, unless it's with my girlfriend
16:07
<vagrantc>
well, your issue is more you don't know the specs of your old monitor. no distro is going to know that for you.
16:08
if you're using hardware that doesn't support autodetection, you're going to have to do some manual configuration. you just have to accept that.
16:08
<rhombus>
vagrantc: I did a Plug and Play probe and got the required sync and refresh thresholds, but they don't seem to work
16:08
vagrantc: it does support autodetection
16:08
the autodetection doesn't appear to be working
16:09
<vagrantc>
yes, well ....
16:09
<rhombus>
the server is running X also -- maybe that's the problem?
16:09
<vagrantc>
you're going to have to do some manual configuration.
16:09
no
16:09
<rhombus>
vagrantc: by manual configuration, you mean messing about in xorg.conf?
16:09
<vagrantc>
that's probably the easiest way at this point
16:10
<rhombus>
okay, I have two xorg.conf files -- one is in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, and the other is in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:11
but the one that seems to change when I change settings in KDE is /etc/X11/xorg.conf
16:11
<vagrantc>
well, you'll have to mess with the one that is autogenerated on boot
16:11
<rhombus>
vagrantc: so make it read-only and modify it?
16:11* vagrantc doesn't understand how someone could modify a read-only file
16:12* rhombus doesn't understand how he is supposed to modify an autogenerated file
16:12
<vagrantc>
so, when your client boots, it generates an xorg.conf ...
16:12
<rhombus>
uh huh
16:12
<vagrantc>
the /etc/X11/xorg.conf on your server has absolutely nothing to do with the xorg.conf that your client will use.
16:12
<rhombus>
okay, fine -- which one does?
16:13
<vagrantc>
the /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf is what gets overwritten at boot, so it essentially ignored.
16:13
<rhombus>
or better - how is the xorg.conf generated?
16:13
<vagrantc>
what i recommend doing ...
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16:14* rhombus is listening to vagrantc.
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<vagrantc>
booting a thin client and logging in at the console and modifying xorg.conf till you get what you want... and then copy that file to the server ... and specify XF86CONFIG_FILE=/path/to/that/file/relative/to/opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/xorg.conf.HOSTNAME
16:15
so ... if the file on the server is /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/ltsp/xorg.conf.HOSTNAME
16:15
XF86CONFIG_FILE=/etc/ltsp/xorg.conf.HOSTNAME
16:15
<rhombus>
vagrantc: I see -- so, on the thin client, get a console, log in, and find /etc/X11/xorg.conf on the client itself
16:15
<vagrantc>
let me check on that variable name to get it exact
16:16
rhombus: correct.
16:16
<rhombus>
okay. thank you.
16:16
<vagrantc>
yes, it is XF86CONFIG_FILE
16:16* vagrantc thinks about changing it to X_CONFIG_FILE
16:17
<vagrantc>
we'll put backwards compatibility hooks in
16:17
<rhombus>
this XF86CONFIG_FILE parameter goes in lts.conf, correct?
16:18
<vagrantc>
yes
16:19
<rhombus>
great.
16:19
I can see where some of my confusion is coming from. It's easy to forget that an X session is really running on the server, and not the thin client
16:20
<vagrantc>
X terminology is confusing. as the X server is what's running on the client, displaying client applications running on your server.
16:20
if that hurts, just ignore it.
16:21
<rhombus>
vagrantc: no, I do get it. It's just easy to lose track.
16:21
so, I'm trying to log into this thin client, but none of my passwords work.
16:21
I get the console with CTRL-F1
16:22
err, CTRL-ALT-F1
16:29
<vagrantc>
right.
16:29
<rhombus>
I have that
16:29
<vagrantc>
you'll need to set root password on the thin client environment
16:29
<rhombus>
okay
16:29
<vagrantc>
chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 passwd
16:29
<rhombus>
chroot
16:29
right
16:29
okay, great
16:29
thanks
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<vagrantc>
don't use a password you use anywhere else, as it's totally insecure
16:30
<rhombus>
right
16:33
<sahil>
ogra, vagrantrc mentioned you had had some luck getting the sis7019 drivers to work?
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<rhombus>
Is there any way I can make /root writable on the client, so that I get an xorg.conf from "X - configure"?
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<cottima>
hello
19:43
<rhombus>
hi
19:43
Netier XL1000 = junk
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<cottima>
the config for pxe clients says it is based on ip. could it be done by mac address?
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19:50
<jammcq>
yo
19:51
<vagrantc>
cottima: yes, you can use mac addresses
19:51
<cottima>
sweet, thank you vagrantc
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<rhombus>
can anyone suggest a hard thin client for LTSP that is not a Netier XL1000? :)
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21:27* vagrantc generally prefers easy thin clients to hard ones
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<sahil>
jammcq, there?
22:08
ive been trying to figure out the audio for this sis7019
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<rhombus>
vagrantc: I too prefer easy, but also pre-built :)
22:09
vagrantc: and also working
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:P
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