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Channel log from 13 June 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<JorgeAlvarez>
Hello Everyone, I;m tryiing to donate a computer lab to a poor school in a third world country, I just want to know what would be the best hardware configuration for this (http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=63) server to work with 30-40 clients
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These (http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200029.html?id=6zRxx2mf) will server as clients
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anyone knows a site that sells thin clients other than Diskless Workstations
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<johnny>
this is a poor time to ask
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most of the folks who would be able to give good advice are now asleep
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<JorgeAlvarez>
ahh, I guess i'll come back tomorrow
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thanks johnny
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<generic>
hi all any one works on ltsp on ubuntu 8.0.4
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<generic>
hey how i enable sound in ltsp 5 on ubuntu
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i thought its by default there but i can not hera any sound
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though its playing track
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?
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<generic>
hey guys
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any one mount local disk on thin client
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?
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<JorgeAlvarez>
mm generic, I came here to et help as well, but they are all asleep right now, you should try tomorrow
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<generic>
its ok
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sound is working
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i need to mount local disk with my thin client
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<alkisg>
Hi, a question about network switches: has anyone managed to have 1 Gbps NIC on the LTSP server, 100 Mbps NICs on the clients, and for the server to send more than 100Mbps to the clients (overall)?
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<alkisg>
I bought this switch (http://www.zyxel.com/web/product_family_detail.php?PC1indexflag=20040520161143&CategoryGroupNo=5DFC967F-36C2-4C0F-8129-A5FAD4A4B91E), but still the LTSP server sends data with less than 100Mbps...
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<alkisg>
I'm asking because I've heard many times that "you should definately have 1 GBps speed, at least from server to switch" in here, but now that I have it, I don't see any difference from a 100Mbps connection...
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<Briareos_00>
I have the Citrix ISA Client installed on a Ubuntu 8.04 LTSP machine. Now I've got the problem at the client, that sometimes the window seemingly doesn't refresh itself, so there still are the borders of the previously closed window in the Citrix connection. Does anyone know how to solve this probem?
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<jammcq>
alkisg: did you have a performance problem before switching to 1GBps ?
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<alkisg>
jammcq, a little. 8 clients could use openoffice, but they couldn't see flash sites or video with more than 2 fps...
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<jammcq>
1GBps should help, but there's lots of other factors too. such as, what kind of network card is in your server?
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<alkisg>
jammcq, I measured the bandwidth in each case, with 100Mbps switch I had ~80 Mbps, and with 1Gbit switch I also had ~80 Mbps on the server NIC.
07:58
It has 3 cards, 2 Intel Gbit (don't remember the model) and 1 onboard (still don't remember the model). Tried them all, no performance boost.
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<jammcq>
when you were measuring speed, how many clients were trying to play flash?
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<alkisg>
I didn't use flash to measured the bandwidth to avoid CPU related performance problems on the clients
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<jammcq>
so what kind of traffic were you measuring?
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<alkisg>
I used video playback, with vlc
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<jammcq>
on more than 1 client?
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<alkisg>
All 8 clients played video
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(of course with much lagging)
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<Blinny>
ogra: Even after uninstalling fast-user-switch-applet the 'Switch User' still shows after clicking 'Quit' -- I haven't rebooted the server, but i did log out and log back in to make sure. Just letting you know. Gotta fly!
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<jammcq>
Id on't know anything about the zyxel, but I do know that a decent switch is worth the money
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<alkisg>
jammcq, when I tried to put my laptop as a 9th client (also with Gbit card), the bandwidth on the server NIC showed > 200Mbps. But I couldn't make the server send more than 100Mbps with the 100Mbps NIC clients.
08:01
<jammcq>
many cheap switches advertise gigabit, but don't deliver
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<alkisg>
I guess for switches to do that, they would have to have a lot of Mb buffers. Mine only has 2.8MBit, which is a lot compared to other switches, but still "nothing" compared to what it should have to distribute the server data to 8 clients.
08:03
So, if anyone has *tried* any switch that actually shows performance boost with 100Mbps clients, I'd like to hear which switch he tried...
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<jammcq>
how well does just a single client run?
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<alkisg>
80 Mbps, which if fine
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1 client can even see flash video.
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<jammcq>
ooh, have you turned off the tunnelling through SSH ?
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<alkisg>
Oh, yes! :) LDM_DIRECTX=True, always!
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<jammcq>
k
08:05
that'll increase traffic, but greatly decrease CPU load on the server
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<alkisg>
It
08:05
It's also a problem for the clients, I have extra thin clients! :)
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<jammcq>
what's the CPU in the clients?
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<alkisg>
E.g. AMD @300MHz.
08:06
This is the slowest, I also have Celerons @600MHz
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128 RAM, S3 Virge cards etc... It's not a client problem, it's the switch, but I don't know if another switch would behave better...
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<jammcq>
I know there's lots of people who have benefited greatly by going Gigabit between the server and the switch
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<Q-FUNK>
yup
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<alkisg>
I've heard that many times, but I couldn't find anyone in person to verify this! :)
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<Q-FUNK>
we did
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<alkisg>
Q-FUNK, your clients are 100Mbps?
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<Q-FUNK>
that's also how we got into upgrading our thin client design to Gigabit
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our DBE62 has Gigabit
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<alkisg>
OK, a full gigabit connection is much better, what I'm asking for is gigabit ONLY between server <=> switch
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<jammcq>
yes, that's what most people do
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there's not many thin clients with gigabit
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<alkisg>
I'm trying to find someone that actually sees >= 100Mbps bandwidth on the server NIC, so he can tell me what switch he uses, so that I can buy it! :)
08:13
I've heard about that many times, bought 1Gbit switch, and no improvement, so I'd like to know what to buy next...
08:14
Now I used trunking for a little improvement, i.e. 3 NICs on the server with load balancing.
08:14
I get ~250 Mbps with that.
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<Briareos_00>
We are using Citrix ICA Client from our LTSP clients to connect to a WinNT server. Problem is: we get glitches (distortion) when working on that. I guess that the LTSP doesn't recognize that the windows in the citrix terminal client need to be redrawn. could that be? any idea how to fix that?
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<baba_melone>
Hi, I wanna partition my laptop so I decided to boot it into our ltsp system, but after chrooting into /opt/ltsp/i386, there is no sda or hda or whatever in /dev
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any idea?
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lspci and lsusb arent installed, too, which I find quite strange
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<baba_melone>
noone can help me?
08:37
i remember once chrooting into the ltsp system, but then i could use lspci, and it printed the pci devices of the client
08:37
dunno why this wont work on my laptop, noone an idea? does it depend on the ltsp version, i have set up a new system a year ago
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<jammcq>
the /dev directory is populated by udev
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you need to mount /dev inside the chroot I think
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<baba_melone>
bad idea
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<jammcq>
been a LOOOONG time since i've played with that tho
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<baba_melone>
i want the hardware of my client in /dev, not of the server
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<jammcq>
you'll never get that
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<jammcq>
baba_melone: you network booted your laptop?
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i'm confused
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<alkis1>
Q-FUNK, can I see pricing for DBE62 somewhere?
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<Q-FUNK>
alkis1: yes, if you request a quotation
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<alkis1>
OK, thanks
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<baba_melone>
yeah, i network booted my laptop
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<jammcq>
baba_melone: then mounting /dev from udev IS what you want
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you'll never mount the servers /dev on your client
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but.... you should already have a /dev
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and it should already be populated
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<baba_melone>
well i have a dev
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but ther is no hard disc
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<jammcq>
you maybe need to modprobe the correct modules
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<baba_melone>
not hda, nor sda nor whatever
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<jammcq>
what version of ltsp ?
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<baba_melone>
dunno, we installed it a year ago
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<jammcq>
what distro?
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<baba_melone>
debian etch
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<jammcq>
yeah, you'll need to modprobe the modules for your disk controller and disk
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I don't remember the names of the modules tho
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<baba_melone>
well, thx for that information
08:48
and do you know, why lspci wont work
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<jammcq>
what is lspci showing, anything at all?
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<baba_melone>
on a client i can remember it working
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there is no lspci
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the prog is not install
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ed
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<jammcq>
well, that depends on whether you are talking LTSP-4.2 or LTSP-5.0
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4.2 included it, 5.0, you'll need to go to your server, chroot and apt-get install it
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<baba_melone>
k
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then i have 5.0
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<jammcq>
if you CAN apt-get anything, they you are definately talking 5.0
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<baba_melone>
it could not find the packet
08:50
how is that package called
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<jammcq>
hmm, maybe one of the debian/ubuntu guys will need to step up and help
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<ogra>
it is in the pciutils package
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<jammcq>
lspci is part of the pciutils package
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<ogra>
but it wont help you if you dont see a disk yet
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<baba_melone>
i know
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<ogra>
it should be there, else i suspect there is breakage in debians udev
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<jammcq>
ogra: shouldn't the proper modules already be loaded in ltsp-5 ?
08:51* ogra hasnt seen such a behavior on ubuntu ever
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<ogra>
jammcq, right, and udev should have created the device
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<jammcq>
right
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*should*
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<baba_melone>
do you know the s-ata module's name
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<ogra>
but i know debian does some non standard things upstream doesnt like and which is a constant root of arguing between the ubuntu and debian udev maintainers
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so that might bite you there
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<baba_melone>
k, now its really strange
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lspci shows the pci devices of the server, and not the ones of the client
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although i chrooted into /opt/ltsp/i386
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<ogra>
that cant be
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you cant do anything on the client in the chroot
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<baba_melone>
oh yes, it can
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<ogra>
you need to do it *on the running client*
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<jammcq>
well, maybe you are actually logged into the server
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<ogra>
/dev /proc of the client are set up *at boot time of the client*
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<jammcq>
after booting the laptop via network, you need to Ctrl-Alt-F1 and get a login on the client
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<baba_melone>
ah
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<ogra>
you need to do it from client console in a running hin client
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<baba_melone>
I understand
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k
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<ogra>
everything else will just give you server HW
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<jammcq>
good thing he didn't run fdisk :)
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<baba_melone>
thats logical then, im still in my X session and chrooted with yakuake
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<ogra>
yeah :)
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<baba_melone>
fdisk wouldnt have worked
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not if the partitions of the server are mounted
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<jammcq>
I don't think fdisk cares about that
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<baba_melone>
and btw, i believe I'd have noticed if is the server's hd or my notebook's
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<ogra>
as long as you have /dev/sdX there it wont
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<baba_melone>
how do i login on session 1
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<ogra>
you need to set a root pw in the chroot
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by default root is locked
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<baba_melone>
k
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<ogra>
or boot with SCREEN_02=shell
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in lts.conf
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hich is the recommended way (so you dont forget to lock root afterwards and leave a secutity hole)
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<baba_melone>
it works, thx a lot
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<GiantPickle>
I'm having some performance issues with edubuntu server 8.04 and LTSP Term 1000 thin clients... I've tried some things alreay
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I've turned off encryption
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I'm using Gigabit between server and switch
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I've put the color_bit at 8
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not sure what else to try?
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<GiantPickle>
my performance issues are slow screen refreshes
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anyone have any suggestions as to what else to try to help?
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<alkis1>
GiantPickle, that's what I was asking half an hour ago... If the clients are 100mbps, then the switch <=> server gbps connection is not much of an improvement.
09:07
But you can use trunking, i.e. put 3-4 NICs on the server and connect them all to the same switch. Then distribute the clients to connect to different cards (from lts.conf) and you can speed up things.
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<GiantPickle>
yeah, but I've got 4 clients connected... this shouldn't really be an issue yet should it?
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<ogra>
alkis1, the problem isnt the network in GiantPickle's setup, its crappy HW
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<alkis1>
ogra, oh, ok! :) :) :)
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<ogra>
there is no tlsp5 implementation you can use these things with properly
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they are finr as kiosk setups
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but in the end you get for $99 whats worth $99 ... not really a desktop system
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<GiantPickle>
ogra: you mean with the LTSP term 1000
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?
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<ogra>
the ebox 1000, yes
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these little black silver squares
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<warren>
they are not really usable as desktops at all
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<ogra>
i guess they run quite ok if you run firefox standalone in kiosk mode on them
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or openoffice impress to drive a presentation screen
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in case of firefox the missing sound driver would bite you though ... and i doubt flash would run at a reasonable speed
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<dean_za>
hi , are all thin clients on 8.04 supposed to have the following file ? /var/run/ltspfs_fstab
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<GiantPickle>
well, they worked fine in my previous setup (which was 4.x)
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<ogra>
dean_za, if you dont set LOCALDEV=False in lts.conf, yes
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<GiantPickle>
I never thought there would be a problem with 5
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ogra: so what you are tellin' me is I need a few more horses for my thin clients with version 5?
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<dean_za>
i see usb stick identified , but never mounted. I do not have LOCALDEV = false , but I dont see the file on any thin client
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ogra - should we update the chroot after initial install ? ie new kernel , xorg etc ? should we use same apt/sources.list as server including all security updates ?
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<ogra>
GiantPickle, no, but some that dont put GPU,CPU and NIC in the same chip
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dean_za, it should just work and mount the device in /media/$USER/<devicename>
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on the server, accessible from the user session
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GiantPickle, other 266MHz clients wih 64 or 128M run just fine, its the design of the HW thas the prob
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<ogra>
and not much we can do about that on ltsp side
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dean_za, on the client it will only be mounted if it needs to (read o write operations) what counts more is the server side, look there wit the mouont command
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*mount
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<GiantPickle>
ogra: gotcha, thanks for the info
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<dean_za>
ogra - should we update the chroot after initial install ? ie new kernel , xorg etc ? should we use same apt/sources.list as server including all security updates ?
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<dean_za>
ogra - been reading this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebugLocalDev , how should i check from server ?
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<wima>
does anyone know if there is a workable solution for skype on ltp setups?
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most pulse/skype solutions seem to boil down do suspending pulse and use alsa diretly
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which is of course not really an option for thinclients
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padsp makes skype crash
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<lejo>
hmm could I easily configure LDM to enable Numlock ?
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<Gadi>
lejo - you can add a startup script on the server to turn it on
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<Q-FUNK>
wima: there isn't any solution. skype simply isn't interested in fixing their code to use native PA or to correctly access the ALSA device offered by PA.
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<Gadi>
upon login
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<wima>
Q-FUNK: yes, i had that impression
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<Q-FUNK>
wima: it's not an impression. it's a fact.
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<wima>
but it sucks big time
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<lejo>
Gadi: on the server ?
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<Q-FUNK>
I worked with them on this issue. in the end, it transpired that they coudln't give a damn.
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<Gadi>
lejo: yeah
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enabling numlock can be an X client function
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<wima>
as far as i know, there aren't any alternatives that can make calls to normal phones
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<Gadi>
you needn't do it on the client itself
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<Q-FUNK>
wima: there's plenty of SIP gateways out there and Ekiga can use them. in practice, though, skype has become the de-facto stadard for a nuber of reasons.
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<wima>
ah
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Q-FUNK: interesting. i'll look into it.
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we're not tied to skype the ngo i work for just wans to make ceap calls abroad
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does ekiga play nice with pulse?
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<Q-FUNK>
look for a good SIP gateway, then. that's all you need.
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<Q-FUNK>
last time I tried, it did.
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<dean_za>
what is the general consensus regarding updating the ltsp chroot ?
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<warren>
argh!
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RHEL5 has no i586 kernel.
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i686 is the minimum
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11:55* Lns likes not having a phone tied to a computer with Vonage
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<Guaraldo>
Hey people... witch are the parameters for LDM do an autologin?
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<Lns>
Guaraldo, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/edubuntu/handbook/C/customizing-thin-client.html - find "Auto login features"
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<juanpaul>
Hello, I've just installed LTSP 5 on Gentoo, but it's starting X server "locally" against to connect on my remote X server. Can someone help me?
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<DonSilver>
juanpaul: ltsp is the server programm for clients without a installed system on disk
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<supreme_>
Hi all
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i havent sound in terminals
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they are ebox2
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i use ltsp 4.2
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somebody can help me?
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<juanpaul>
DonSilver, Yes, sure
14:44
DonSilver, I've used LTSP 4 on Gentoo and it worked ok (this was a year or two)
14:44
<DonSilver>
juanpaul: so the server starts a local X and the client gets all the / (root) and kernel stuff from the server and starts a local X and connect with the xdm/gdm/kdm to the ltsp server ..
14:45
<dberkholz>
johnny: hey, got someone trying ltsp 5 on gentoo ^^^
14:45
<DonSilver>
dberkholz: :-D ...
14:45
<sutula>
supreme_: It's hard to get anyone interested in 4.2 questions since 5 has been out for more than a year...I certainly don't know
14:46
<DonSilver>
dberkholz: if i get enough time i will test the ltsp5 on gentoo too maybe i try to write a ebuild :-) (would be my first ebuild i write)
14:47
<juanpaul>
on the screen of my remote client (that booted from pxe, without local disks) appears LTSP.org Linux Terminal Server Project
14:47
<DonSilver>
dberkholz: maybe in holidays
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<johnny>
how did you install ltsp5 ?
14:53
juanpaul, yes.. it does startup a local x server
14:53
<JorgeAlvarez>
Hello Everyone, I;m tryiing to donate a computer lab to a poor school in a third world country, I just want to know what would be the best hardware configuration for this (http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=63) server to work with 30-40 clients
14:54
these will serve as clients Hello Everyone, I;m tryiing to donate a computer lab to a poor school in a third world country, I just want to know what would be the best hardware configuration for this (http://system76.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&products_id=63) server to work with 30-40 clients
14:54
<johnny>
juanpaul, that's standard ltsp5 practice, startup local x with ldm, so you can auth to ltsp over ssh
14:55
<JorgeAlvarez>
these will serve as clients Hello Everyone, http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200029.html?id=8PR6JDxshttp://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200029.html?id=8PR6JDxs
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<johnny>
jammcq, you about?
14:56
<JorgeAlvarez>
anyone recomend another sevrer from another vendor?????
14:56
<johnny>
JorgeAlvarez, as far as a spec baseline goes, the edubuntu manual is useful
14:56
for both servers and clients
14:57
jammcq is one of the guys involved with diskless workstations iirc?
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<JorgeAlvarez>
k, I'll see if I can find that manual :P
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<juanpaul>
johnny, thanks for the information, I'll do more tests.
15:04
<johnny>
juanpaul, had did you install it?
15:05
nobody but me has ever used it
15:05
so i want to know how you managed
15:05
err how did you install it*
15:05
<juanpaul>
johnny, You say about the LTSP 5 under Gentoo?
15:05
<johnny>
yes
15:05
i wrote the ebuilds
15:05
or rather.. wrote some ebuilds
15:06
<juanpaul>
johnny, cool, it's nice to talk with you
15:06
<johnny>
did you get them from ltsp overlay?
15:06
<juanpaul>
i've noted a lack of documentation of LTSP5 for the Gentoo
15:06
yes, ltsp overlay
15:06
<johnny>
yes.. cuz it's not even finished :)
15:06
trying to remove the manual steps
15:07
dberkholz, that means it works better than i expected :)
15:08
<juanpaul>
johnny, there's a place that i can access the work in progress documentation (and, if, contribute with docs)
15:08
<johnny>
there isn't any yet :)
15:09
still removing manual steps.. like making so you don't have to run etc-update after installing chroot
15:09
i don't know if i committed that yet
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<dberkholz>
johnny: yeah, i was surprised...
15:11
<johnny>
dberkholz, i did try to automate as much as i could at the time
15:11
still need the custom genkernel config
15:11
<juanpaul>
johnny, i've had trouble with the genkernel, that haven't loaded the modules of NIC on initramfs (but, i don't have experience with iniramfs and genkernel), so i've compiled the nics modules on the kernel and changed the processor to i586 (genkernel has built for i686 on the first time)
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<johnny>
yes.. that is the major problem left juanpaul
15:12
is a custom genkernel config, one where we can include aufs
15:12
as well as load nbd if wanted
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turns out the sysreccd (system recovery cd) uses aufs too.. so i'll be looking at their genkernel config
15:12
i just discovered that last week
15:15
<juanpaul>
yes johnny, the LTSP 5 on Gentoo is lacking support for write on the live filesystem
15:17
<johnny>
that's not lacking
15:17
that's on purpose
15:17
all the writing happens on the server, in the /home
15:18
only thing it writes are specific files/directories in /var and /etc
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<johnny>
those are tmpfs bind mounted atm, since we don't have aufs yet
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<juanpaul>
johnny, i'm talking about the /etc. My DHCP server sends the hostname to the diskless-client, but, the client uses the default hostname "ltsp"
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<supreme_>
sutula, i finally can make sound works, but only locally with cat /proc/kcore >/dev/dsp but in X i cannot do it
15:23
i think should be only config problem or so..
15:25* sutula shrugs
15:25
<johnny>
juanpaul, yeah.. known bug .. havent taken care of it yet
15:26
<supreme_>
somebody else can help me?
15:26
i finally can make sound works, but only locally with cat /proc/kcore >/dev/dsp but in X i cannot do it
15:27
<juanpaul>
johnny, anyway, thanks for you contribution. I know that theses questions will be solved. ;)
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<yanu>
!pastebot
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<ltsppbot>
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<supreme_>
help pls
15:40
my sound only works locally with cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp but in x doesnt work
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<supreme_>
nobody?
15:44* sutula wonders whether supreme_ needs someone other than sutula to tell him/her what sutula said :(
15:45
<Gadi>
supreme_: iirc, the ebox uses the proprietary sis7019 audio driver which only has an OSS flavor and was never ported to ALSA
15:46
if you are using standard LTSP 4.2, make sure you have this module
15:46
SMODULE_01 = sis7019
15:47
if you are using LTSP 5 or the LTSP_esd-alsa patch for LTSP 4.2, then you are out of luck
15:47
as no ALSA module exists AFAIK
15:47
and, come to think of it, Im not even sure if an OSS module exists for the 2.6 kernel
15:47
you would need to check into that
15:48
<warren>
Gadi: there is an ALSA driver, but it sucks and isn't upstream
15:48
Gadi: alsa-project was discussing it last year, I don't know what happened
15:49
Gadi: anyhow that box is too slow to be usable for a thin client anyway
15:50
<Gadi>
heh - tell that to most of brazil
15:50
;)
15:50
<warren>
seriously
15:50
how is that box usable at all?
15:50
<Gadi>
LTSP 4, baby!
15:50
:)
15:51
We were a lot less chunky back then
15:51
<warren>
old X, old kernel or something is just faster?
15:51
would be interested to know exactly what changed
15:51
<Gadi>
less extra crap on boot
15:51
<warren>
It isn't just boot speed that's slow.
15:51
boot speed actually isn't bad for me on that box
15:51
<Gadi>
lots of simple scripts rather than large automagic infrastructures
15:51
<warren>
the desktop itself is way too slow
15:52
<Gadi>
ah
15:52
well, that's SIS for you
15:52
as in "SIS is a piece of ****!"
15:53
<laga>
heh, are we playing the recursive acronyms game? ;)
15:53
<supreme_>
Gadi, yes, i actually use SMODULE_01 = sis7019 and as i told, it works but locally
15:54
<warren>
is Brazil using GNOME or something less heavy?
15:54
<supreme_>
im using SOUND_DAEMON = esd
15:54
<warren>
I did not try XFCE on that box
15:54
<Gadi>
supreme_: on the server, can you esdplay <some wav file> ?
15:54
or open gstreamer-properties and do a test sound?
15:54
<supreme_>
the server havent sound card
15:55
<Gadi>
doesnt matter
15:55
<supreme_>
ok, ill see
15:55
<Gadi>
you dont want to play sound from the server, right?
15:55
:)
15:55
of course, I mean, esdplay when logged into the server from the ebox
15:57
<supreme_>
unable to connect to UNIX socket /tmp/.esd/socket
15:57
i did it sitting in front of server
15:57
now ill do in a desktop client
15:58
nothing happen
15:59
its like doing something but no messages
16:00
<Gadi>
from gstreamer-properties?
16:00
or with esdplay?
16:01
<supreme_>
in gstreamer-properties i choose out: esd and in: esd , then i clicked in Test and window freezes
16:01
<Gadi>
just make out esd
16:01
in should be alsa
16:01
or whatever
16:01
or auto
16:01
<supreme_>
ok, ill see
16:01
<Gadi>
then, click the Test button next to out
16:01
<supreme_>
ill put alsa and then click test button
16:02
<Gadi>
make out esd and click test next to out
16:04
<supreme_>
in: alsa, out: esd , click test in out and windows freezes
16:05
when i test IN, some alsa error appears (i think it doesnt matter, but just in case)
16:05
<Gadi>
reboot the thin client, log in again, and repeat
16:05
<supreme_>
ok, ill reboot
16:06
done
16:06
<Gadi>
still freezes?
16:07
<supreme_>
no, it says "testing"
16:07
but no sound
16:07
<Gadi>
do you have the speakers plugged in to the correct port?
16:09
<supreme_>
yes, in fact it sounds in SCREEN_01=shell when i do cat /proc/kcore > /dev/dsp
16:10
<Gadi>
try setting: VOLUME=100
16:10
in lts.conf
16:10
reboot the client
16:10
and log in
16:10
and test
16:10
<supreme_>
rebooting..
16:14
now ill do gstreamer properties and test OUT sound
16:15
after i try esdplay some.wav and use gstreamer properties the freakin window freezes
16:16
i rebooted again client, when it finishes ill do nothing but gstreamer-properties out test
16:18
ok nothing sounds
16:18
just says "testing..."
16:19
ill already do the """/bin/esd -nobeeps -tcp -port 16001 -public &""" trick
16:19
*I already did
16:22
<Gadi>
export ESPEAKER=<your ws IP>:16001
16:22
from a terminal window
16:22
and then, esdplay
16:23
<supreme_>
ok, ill do
16:24
terminal means a xterm?
16:24
or screen_01 = shell ?
16:26
done
16:27
i did it in xterm
16:27
<Gadi>
xterm
16:27
<x86>
gentlemen
16:27
<supreme_>
now ill try gstreamer-properties out test
16:27
<x86>
take a break for a second and savor this
16:27
http://blog.wired.com/gadgets/2008/06/snake-oil-alert.html
16:27
<Gadi>
supreme_:
16:27
esdplay didnt work?
16:28
<supreme_>
the freakin gstreamer-properties window freezes
16:28
ill try esdplay some.wav
16:29
esdplay some.wav freezes too, then i rebooted client
16:29
when it restarted ill do export ESPEAKER thing again and finally ill try esdplay some.wav again
16:31
i did export thing, i tried esdplay some.wav and noting sounds
16:33
i was reading around the web and i found that kde doesnt like esd, thats real? just in case ill login into gnome which acording to that web has native esd support
16:34
<x86>
yeah kde uses something else
16:34
kded or something
16:35
(which is also network-aware)
16:35
esd is not kde friendly
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16:38
<supreme_>
IT WORKS!!!
16:38
i so hate kde man
16:38
so!
16:39
<x86>
did you not listen to what I just said? :)
16:39
err, read
16:39
16:34 < x86> esd is not kde friendly
16:39
16:34 < x86> yeah kde uses something else
16:39
16:34 < x86> (which is also network-aware)
16:39
<supreme_>
x86, i didnt know
16:39
when you said i was in a far client
16:41
so.. thanks a lot Gadi , i mean a lot!
16:41
now i have crappy ebox2 with local dev and sound :D
16:42
<Gadi>
ah, excellent
16:42
I stepped away and came back to lots of smiley faces
16:42
congrats
16:48* sutula takes back what he said to supreme_ ...apparently there were people interested in helping on 4.2, in spite of the #topic :) kudos for your persistence
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<Gadi>
aint nuttin wrong with 4.2
16:56
in several ways, it can still outrun ltsp5
16:57
and we oldtimers who had a hand in it still hold it near and dear
16:57
:)
17:01
<supreme_>
ltsp 4.2 boots my ebox2 in 40secs
17:01
ltsp5 in 3 minutes and more
17:01
thats why i still use 4.2
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<supreme_>
bye guys
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<warren>
my LTSP term 1000 boots in about 47 seconds in Fedora 9
19:31
the desktop is what is unusably slow
19:31
<rjune>
warren: a little late to the party, eh?
19:31
<warren>
rjune: not just this party, all parties.
19:31
<rjune>
that was a while ago. ;-)
19:32
heh
19:32
why is your desktop slow?
19:32
<warren>
I don't know
19:32
it is fine on pretty much all other hardware
19:32
<rjune>
just the 1k?
19:32
<warren>
I even tried an old 133MHz Pentium MMX, it was way faster than that thing.
19:33
<rjune>
wtf?
19:33
<warren>
a little slower in booting, but the desktop was much snappier.
19:33
<rjune>
wonder why
19:34
cpu load on the 1k high?
19:35
<warren>
I haven't profiled to figure out exactly what makes the desktop slower
19:35
but reading the spec sheet of the processor...
19:35
uh...
19:35
a slower processor made by a real company sounds better
19:36
<rjune>
that may not be politic in here.
19:36
most folks don't seem to have problems with the ltsp terms
19:37
<warren>
I suspect something in kernel or X changed that made it really slow
19:37
LTSP 4.2 has very ancient stuff now
19:37
<rjune>
it does at that
19:40
<indradg>
ok... i have a question... has any one here tested the LTSP 5 (as packaged with EduUbuntu 7.10) on AMD Geode LX800 based thin clients?
19:43
i'm having serious problems on the Geode one... that same setup works like a charm on standard x86 boxes (PIII 733 MHz 128 MB SDRAM)
19:44
<warren>
they work pretty good on Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 LTSP
19:44
Fedora 9 LTSP has a slight graphical glitch due to a driver bug
19:51
<indradg>
warren, whats the latest status on LTSP 5 on Fedora 9 ?
19:51
EduBuntu 7.10 was otherwise a pretty pleasing experience
19:52
<warren>
well, what language do you use?
19:52
there is a big problem for non-US keyboard layout, I'm soon fixing this.
19:53
there are a number of smaller corner-case issues but in whole it is pretty good
19:53
<indradg>
warren BN_IN / HI_IN (that's bengali and Hindi India)
19:54
but i had the problems in en_US locales itself
19:55
<warren>
how's Ubuntu's bengali and hindi support?
19:55
What layout keyboard does BN and HI use?
19:55
<indradg>
warren, very nice indeed
19:55
i primarily use the probhat layout for BN
19:56
i'm not so bothered about hindi atm
19:56
warren, ^^^
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<indradg>
jammcq, on Edubuntu 7.10 LTSP 5 setup works nicely on x86 thin-clients (refurbished PIII 733 MHz, 128 MB RAM)... but no display (blinking cursor) on AMD Geode LX800 based thin-clients
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<indradg>
jammcq, any tips?
20:05
<jammcq>
hmm, the Geode's are horrible chipsets for video
20:05
<rjune>
yojimbo!
20:05
<jammcq>
my guess is the 7.10 doesn't contain the proper driver for the LX800
20:05
<rjune>
howdy jammcq. what's new?
20:05
<jammcq>
hey rjune
20:06
<rjune>
is it just me? or are the *bsd guys kinda prats?
20:06
<jammcq>
umm, bsd guys?
20:07
<rjune>
yeah
20:07
you know the *other* free unix like OS
20:07
<jammcq>
yeah
20:08
dunno about prats-ness
20:09
<warren>
I have no idea what prat means
20:09
<jammcq>
hey warren
20:10
did you get your flight all squared away for portland?
20:11
<rjune>
warren: in context I thought along the lines of twit. looking it up, it apparently means foolish
20:13
<warren>
jammcq: I vaguely recall buying a ticket, but flying a lot lately so checking...
20:13
<rjune>
LOL
20:13
<warren>
jammcq: arrive PDX Jul 23rd 7:35pm depart Jul 28th 7:05am
20:14
<jammcq>
excellent
20:23
<rjune>
warren: do you know if alan cox hangs out anywhere in IRC?
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<RiXtEr>
anyone around still?
21:25
<rjune>
sup
21:25
RiXtEr: how goes it?
21:26
<RiXtEr>
It goes.
21:26
yourself?
21:26
<rjune>
not too bad
21:26
working atm
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<RiXtEr>
rjune: here was my low water bridge this morning. http://www.weaubleau.k12.mo.us/~ricky.nance/Bridge.jpg and our rain gauge http://www.weaubleau.k12.mo.us/~ricky.nance/Rain-gauge-collins.jpg
21:30
rjune: have you seen all the wiimote applications ?
21:34
<rjune>
yeah
21:34
well, some anyway
21:35
<RiXtEr>
$60 whiteboards :)
21:35
<rjune>
neat
21:36
<RiXtEr>
err... $60 INTERACTIVE whiteboards that is ;)
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<rjune>
yeah
21:53
I saw that bit
21:53
that's cool
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