IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 14 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<tech_dv>
i won't be able to use ltsp-loader if I embed the scripts, right?
00:19
happy valentine's day! always thanks for the help.
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<alkisg>
In case you read the backlogs, you can use ltsp-loader (now upstream in win32-loader). Just change pxe.lkrn with the gpxe.lkrn you downloaded from the site.
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<no_mind>
i have a ltsp server and suddenly clients cant load images. I get dots and nothing happens. though client is able to obtain ip from dhcp server
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<muppis>
no_mind, updated kernels?
00:46
<no_mind>
no
00:46
<muppis>
Try that.
00:46
ltsp-update-kernel
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<no_mind>
ok
00:46
update kernel then regenerate image ?
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<muppis>
Or vice versa. I think doesn't really matter which way.
00:47
<no_mind>
ok
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<no_mind>
muppis:
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muppis: tried and still get this "boot server 192.168.2.4 tftp......"
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pxe-e32: tftp open timeout
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<muppis>
no_mind, ah.. Check your if anyone listering correct port, should 2000 as defaulta.
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<no_mind>
you mean port 2000 is blocked ?
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<muppis>
no_mind, tfptd uses that.
01:12
tftpd..
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<no_mind>
ok
01:17
<muppis>
no_mind, so check from server is port 2000 reserved and for which process with this: netstat -tanp | grep 2000
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<no_mind>
yup did that
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<jimjimovich>
anyone have advice on good gigabit network cards with pxe?
01:45
<muppis>
Intel or Broadcom
01:46
<sep>
intel
01:46
<jimjimovich>
muppis: as in Intel or Broadcom chipsets or actual cards?
01:46
<muppis>
jimjimovich, Intel makes also cards, but Broadcom are just chipsets.
01:47
<jimjimovich>
having trouble finding any in our market ...
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<gnunux>
hi
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<Axachi>
Hello
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<Axachi>
Could sombody help me out on sound in rdesktop. ? I get sound in ldm after going into System|Preference|pulseAudio Pref.
03:26
<beginer>
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<Axachi>
but when I start a rdesktop from SCREEN_02 and use -r sound:local I get no sound. is there somthing I need to start to get the sound outputting to tty2
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<txor>
HI! I know that it's not the right chat, I'm using kiwi-ltsp 5, but maybe my problem is not kiwi-related. It seems that my LDM_DIRECTX flag work in the opposite way... The bandwidth consumed by a client with LDM_DIRECTX=false shouldn't be greater than LDM_DIRECTX=true?? Thanx for ur time!
03:42
<alkisg>
txor: no
03:42
LDM_DIRECTX=True means X traffic is uncompressed
03:42
So it's the largest traffic, but with the lowest CPU usage
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(uncompressed, unencrypted etc)
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<hahlo>
I compiled new alsa to my ubuntu ltsp fatclient in server chroot, and some reason fat client stopped booting, it starts but hangs afterwards, wonder can alsa cause this?
04:17
<alkisg>
Sure, any program can hang the computer
04:17
Why did you need to compile alsa yourself?
04:19
<hahlo>
I try to get sound out from hdmi audio and some ubuntu document advice to compile 1.024 version to 10.10
04:19
my monitor is tv, hdmi cable from fatclient to tv
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<alkisg>
Link to that ubuntu document?
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<hahlo>
moment
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure
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<alkisg>
In https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure#Step 17 I see there's a troubleshooting procedure which doesn't involve compiling...
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<hahlo>
sorry wrong link, still moment tried so many
04:23
http://duopetalflower.blogspot.com/2011/02/alsa-1024-in-ubuntu-1010.html
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I followed those steps
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<txor>
Hey! Thanks very much for your response!
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<alkisg>
hahlo: no mention about hdmi there
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<hahlo>
true but some another page pointed that
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<alkisg>
I mean, that you'd better troubleshoot your hdmi audio problems with the stock version before trying newer versions
04:25
<hahlo>
I have tried every document I have found
04:26
aplay -l shows four nvdia devices
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but none of them sounds
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<alkisg>
hahlo: here's an ubuntu ppa with alsa 1.0.24 packages: https://launchpad.net/~diwic/+archive/alsa1024
04:27
Maybe your client boots with them (instead of self-compiled alsa)
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<hahlo>
I try that next thanks
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<cyberorg>
txor, ah i see alkisg already replied here
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<Axachi>
Could sombody help me out on sound in rdesktop. ? I get sound in ldm after going into System|Preference|pulseAudio Pref.
08:05
I use singel line rdesktop kommand to screen_02
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command
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but there is no sound in the Remote Desktop connection to a windows 2008 R2 server.
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and does anybody have a screen script for using freeRDP?
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<markit>
hi, the 16 thin client classroom seems to work decently well, except some client (or is a matter of user?) sometime abruptly has a black screen and returns to login. Any clue of what could be the problem?
08:32
(thin clients based on old hardware)
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btw, I've enabled nbd swap for clients (512MB)
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<alkisg>
Does that client have a different graphics card? And, which one?
08:36
Also checking that user's ~/.xsession-errors is sometimes useful
08:43
<markit>
alkisg: the classroom is a mess of different hardware, I think I've hardly 2 video boards that are the same :)
08:43
alkisg: so you think is "only" a X-server issue
08:43
<alkisg>
It *might* be the reason
08:43
<markit>
sure :)
08:44
<alkisg>
!localxterm
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<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "localxterm" :: while sitting on a thin client, open a gnome terminal. In that, run: ltsp-localapps xterm. An xterm will open. That xterm runs locally, so any commands you enter there are executed directly on the client.
08:44
<markit>
btw, the only other problem I have so far is LibreOffice crashing leaving soffice process alive
08:44
<alkisg>
run `lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA` in a localxterm on this client
08:44
LibreOffice? Which distro/version do you have?!
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<markit>
it's kubuntu 10.10, so libo 3.3.0
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(waiting for 3.3.1 in a mont's time)
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I have to fire the process manager and kill it manually
08:45
otherwise if student run libreoffice again, it does not show
08:45
that's annoying
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<robehend1>
markit: i had mine doing that, with openoffice. going to fat clients fixed it, not sure why
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<alkisg>
markit: I don't see libreoffice in 10.10: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=libreoffice
08:46
Do you mean openoffice?
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<robehend1>
you can deb install it
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<markit>
alkisg: mmm maybe I've added a ppa
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<alkisg>
Sure, but when troubleshooting libreoffice problems, it's good to know that it's not the official version
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So e.g. if it's a ppa version, it just might be plain broken
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<markit>
deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu lucid main
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<alkisg>
Lucid? For 10.10?
08:48
Lucid is 10.04
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<markit>
ops, sorry, that is the line from the workstation I'm in now
08:48
the school has 10.10
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(I've installed libreoffice in every computer I have or use, lol)
08:49
robehend1: thanks for the tip, but I'm not going to switch to fat clients anytime soon, unfortunatly
08:49
well, the school has asked for money, so they will be able to buy some new pc in a relatively short time
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but I'm unsure about what suggest them
08:50
I would love thin, no power hungry and very silent system
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<alkisg>
Hardware for fat clients is a good investment :)
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<markit>
but they are atom based, so very low power
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alkisg: what do you use for "fat"? dual cores "normal" cpu with 4GB, or small atoms?
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<alkisg>
They perform a lot better than thin clients, escpecially for schools
08:51
markit: anything available, that has more than 512 RAM
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<markit>
don't you buy new hardare?
08:51
I do fear a lot hw compatibility problems
08:51
<alkisg>
Labs here usually buy hardware before installing Ubuntu/LTSP
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<markit>
also PXE boot could be a trouble (i.e. was unable some days ago to pxe boot from a virtual machine)
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<alkisg>
So we work with what's already there
08:52
A few teachers recently only started asking about server specs
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But we rarely have incompatibility problems
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<markit>
version 0.9 afair works well, with newer I had troubles AFAIR
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<robehend1>
only time i've ever had trouble with PXE was virtualbox and kvm acting up
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<alkisg>
version 0.9 of what? of gpxe?
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<markit>
alkisg: mmm ok, I tried some months ago a cheap fujitsu pc that is sold "OS free", but kubuntu (9.x?) was unable to boot
08:53
gpxe yes
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<alkisg>
gpxe 1.0 works fine here, in more than 1000 PCs
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1.0.1 had problems, we don't use it
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<markit>
robehend1: yes, I've a kvm virtual machine as a server for testing, and was tryint go run a kvm "client" with included netboot
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<robehend1>
ya, i had no luck with that, its a documented bug in the qemu, i think
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<markit>
alkisg: oh, could have been 1.0.1, I remember only that the latest did not worked (sorry, I'm at work and I don't have the notes I took for school installation)
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robehend1: oh, interesting, that explains a lot
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<alkisg>
gpxe was forked to ipxe.org, the latest versions are there now
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<markit>
let's hope kvm 0.14 will fix
08:55
alkisg: thanks for the info
08:57
mmm seems that ipxe.org is alive, so good
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<robehend1>
i get scared everytime i see a fork. mostly becuase the admin teams sees a fork as a 'failure of the software'
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<markit>
btw, do you have any experience with "smart boards" or something like that...
08:58
http://blog.svconline.com/briefingroom/2008/05/15/unifi-projector-combines-with-smart-boards-to-create-integrated-system/
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<robehend1>
markit: i have one in every classroom
08:58
<markit>
italian government, stupid as usual, is pushing them in schools
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<robehend1>
they are a *fantastic* tool, if used correctly
08:58
<markit>
robehend1: how do they work? I know are based upon proprietary software
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<robehend1>
what brand of smart board we talkign about. smart, mimio, promethian, etc
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<alkisg>
Any of them known to work OK with Ubuntu?
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<markit>
I've no idea, in italy are called "L.I.M." and I think come in 2 fashions, one with the proiector, the other with back-projection
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<alkisg>
The ministry of education here also pushes them to schools..
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<robehend1>
well, SMART released some drivers and software, but the last supported version was 9.10
09:00
Mimio releases drivers and software, but is usually one version behind. promethian is a crap-shoot for linux support
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<markit>
I've the feeling that are of high psycological impact
09:00
but a) you are chained with M$world
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<robehend1>
nope
09:00
it goes by MIME type
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<markit>
b) only one student can use it at a time
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<robehend1>
nope. numerous ones are going to multitouch
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<markit>
yes, if they stand up and go to the board
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while with LTSP each one has his own pc
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<robehend1>
or if they use a tablet, or a clicker response, or numerous other options built to get around that ;0
09:01
i've been deploying smartboards and such for years now. the tools are there.
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<markit>
iPad then :)
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<robehend1>
ipad? oh god no. i mean a writing tablet. like the Interwrite Mobi
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<markit>
never heard about it
09:02
robehend1: where do you live?
09:02
<robehend1>
usA
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er, usa. i also need a new keyboard. darn shift key.
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<markit>
and have you succesfully used them with GNU/Linux?
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<robehend1>
up to 9.10, yes
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<markit>
so no more
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<robehend1>
10.04 was workable, but buggy
09:03
haven't tried in a while, as i've gone a different direction with the mimio solution
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<markit>
btw, in italy there is the WiiLD project, to create a smartboard very cheap with a Wii control and GNU/Linux
09:03
"mimio solution"?
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<robehend1>
just checked the mimio solution, they are supporting up to 9.04 again
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mimio.com
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basically, an iR smartboard. best thing about it is its portable.
09:04
sticks with sunction cups to any surface, shoots ir out over it, use the stylus to manipulate. Teacher moves rooms, just pull it off the board and go with.
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heck, its even wireless back to the pc
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<markit>
urgh, again no for new kubuntu (> 9.04)
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<robehend1>
i spoke to a rep last week, said we're maybe a month out for full 10.04 support
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<markit>
foss adoption should RAISE, not decline in schools
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<robehend1>
give the schools the proffesional backing, lower cost, training, and pre-made curriculum, and it will
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<markit>
mmm you can't have that without adoption, and you can't have adoption without them...
09:08
<robehend1>
meh, you can have it without adoption. just requires alot of work on your part
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<markit>
so government or school association should start the raise
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<robehend1>
why would they? many members of such groups can barely turn on a computer, let alone care what runs it.
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<markit>
same situation here, as far as I've seen, very disappointing
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<robehend1>
its part of life. if your passionate about getting linux out there, create the stuff yourself. its what i've been doing for my district
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<markit>
robehend1: compete alone with M$ and all business that gets money from government is not a trivial task
09:10
<robehend1>
you have to start somewhere. not saying its easy bud.
09:10
<markit>
government spend a lot of money in proprietary products, instead of invest the same amount in Free software that can be developed by our university graduated or something like that
09:10
and make save a lot of money in the future
09:10
not very clever OMHO
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<robehend1>
in the future, yes
09:11
but how much money will it cost to retrain and, possibly, rehire critical staff during the transition time? re-sanitize databases, and deal with the inevitable differences and transfer issues?
09:11
<markit>
so you will have experienced programmers, innovation, and control of the technology involved
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<robehend1>
again. tell that to people who just want the email to open when they click on it, and it goes over there heads.
09:12
<markit>
robehend1: well, they started with that smartboards... why choose proprietary products at the first stance?
09:12
and if you say transition is a cost, that means that you have to realize you are in a trap
09:12
<robehend1>
is there an opensource alternative that is as mature, has enough pre-made curriculum, and a strong training background?
09:12
<markit>
so the sooner you escape, the better
09:12
<robehend1>
i dont consider it a trap so much as the cost of doing business. its a sad state of affairs in some ways, yes. but its the state we'er in
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<markit>
robehend1: you can easely (as government) found a Free Software alternative
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and create strong trainning, so you are investing money and not just spending (or wasting)
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<robehend1>
or you can take the work already done, have a quicker role out, and look better to PR when it comes to elections :D
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<markit>
there is the WiiLD project that was started by voluintaries after the government decision (probably it's only in italian, maybe on youtube you can find some video)
09:16
lol, there is not real democracy unfortunatly, or I should ask for founds from M$ for my campaign
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<robehend1>
it all works out in the end, one way or another. i think both foss and closed source have their place in education. while it may be nice if they would switch places on the totem pole, at least foss has a place tehre now
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<markit>
robehend1: closed source forbids education... you have EULA, you can't learn the code, is a "secret", not knowledge
09:20
so closed source has it's place in business, not in education or government
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is so a bad decision there
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in any case, I've seen how joung people have been brain washed
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they don't even realize that the PC is hardware, and the SO is something that you can choose and change
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is not something that is "inside that PC, and if you want another you don't have to buy a new pc"
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they even can't tell the name of the programs they use
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they are becoming more and more trained monkeys
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<muppis>
alkisg, doesn't work.
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<muppis>
XSERVER=nv nor XSERVER=nvidia
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<alkisg>
muppis: you mean you don't get nv as the server if you use XSERVER=nv?
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For XSERVER=nvidia I imaging you'd first need to install the nvidia-current package
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<muppis>
alkisg, got it installed. Getting Invalid card number -error.
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<alkisg>
muppis: let's get this from the start
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<muppis>
Started after installing driver.
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<alkisg>
Which card is this? Why don't you want nouveau? Do you want nv or nvidia?
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<muppis>
8400GT, I need support for VDPAU.
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<alkisg>
Thin client or fat?
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<muppis>
Thin.
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<alkisg>
And does that work with remote x ?
10:17
or you mean with localapps?
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<muppis>
With localapps. Still getting my HTPC to work, if you remember.. ;)
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<alkisg>
So nv won't work
10:18
You'd need nvidia
10:19
And, when you installed nvidia-current to the chroot, did it install correctly? (dkms etc)
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<muppis>
I think so, atleast it didn't complain.
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<alkisg>
Did it generate an /etc/X11/xorg.conf in your chroot?
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<muppis>
Running nvidia-xconfig does that.
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<alkisg>
So you don't have /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/xorg.conf right now?
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<muppis>
No.
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<alkisg>
If I remember correctly, installing nvidia-current gets you a minimal xorg.conf
10:23
So maybe it wasn't installed properly?
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(my nvidia 8600 got burned so I'm with intel now :))
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<muppis>
I can try that
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again.
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<alkisg>
And then try booting without "quiet splash" in pxelinux.cfg/default, and note all the error messages, and pastebin your xorg.log from the client
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brb
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<hahlo>
my ubuntu fatclient gives in chroot Errors were encountered while processing: linux-image-2.6.35-25-generic-pae
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<alkisg>
And before that? Errors configuring dbus?
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<hahlo>
yes
12:03
is it normal?
12:03
<alkisg>
No, it's a bug with dbus
12:03
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/552404
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<hahlo>
also fatclient didn't install linux-headers as a depency
12:04
got dkms problem with nvidia current
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<alkisg>
Try to have the same kernel in the chroot as the one in the server (-pae or not)
12:07
Otherwise mount the chroot with nfs on a client and update there
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<hahlo>
server has same number but without pae, is that a problem?
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<alkisg>
(all those are reasons why I think using a virtualbox image instead of a chroot would be easier for users :))
12:08
I think it is a problem with dkms
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<hahlo>
I see ok
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<Axachi>
Hey anyone good on audio in LTSP?
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<vagrantc>
!seen alkisg
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<ltspbot`>
vagrantc: alkisg was last seen in #ltsp 25 minutes and 50 seconds ago: <alkisg> I think it is a problem with dkms
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<vagrantc>
oh-ho
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<prpplague>
does jammcq ever show up on the channel anymore?
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<ogra>
prpplague, rarely but he does
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<prpplague>
ogra: hey bud, didn't see you in the channel
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<ogra>
heh
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#ltsp is one of my older homes :)
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<prpplague>
ogra: ahh right seems like i remember that now
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<prpplague>
ogra: i used to do alot of thin client stuff
14:21
<ogra>
me too :)
14:21
i was hoping to do some panda fat-client implementation this cycle, but i lack the time
14:21
<prpplague>
hehe
14:21
ogra: thats what i was going to hit jim up about
14:22
<pem725>
quick question about troubleshooting user logins via ltsp - my users can ssh into the system but cannot login. The auth.log says that the password was accepted but keeps dropping them back to the login screen. Yes, I ltsp-update-sshkeys. Any suggestions?
14:22
<ogra>
well, jim doesnt do much ltsp stuff anymore either
14:22
<prpplague>
ogra: oh?
14:22
ogra: moved on eh?
14:22
<alkisg>
!compiz
14:22
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "compiz" :: the default window manager in gnome is gnome-wm, which automatically chooses compiz if it thinks that the card supports it. Compiz is causing login problems to some clients (LP #673072). To disable it, see !disable_compiz. To restore it, see !restore_compiz
14:22
<alkisg>
pem725: ^^^
14:22
<ogra>
apart from attending the annual meeting i dont think he develops anything anymore in ltsp land
14:23
<pem725>
thanks alkisg
14:23
!disable_compiz
14:23
<ltspbot`>
pem725: "disable_compiz" :: To disable compiz, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
14:23
<prpplague>
ogra: ahh, he get burned out on it?
14:23
<ogra>
no, his busines grew in horrid speed ... and he didnt say no to the money :)
14:24
no spare time ... no ltsp development
14:24
<prpplague>
ahh
14:24
<ogra>
but a safe full of money like dagobert duck ;)
14:25
prpplague, _UsUrPeR_ is among the people that took over disklessworkstations.com
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<prpplague>
i think i still have a couple of my tcsx-1 's in the attic
14:25
<ogra>
in case you planned any arm thin clients for them or some such
14:26
<prpplague>
ogra: naw, just wanted to chat about it
14:26
<ogra>
ah, k
14:26
<prpplague>
ogra: i did some samsung S3C24xx based clients years ago
14:26
<ogra>
nice
14:26
<pem725>
thanks alkisg. seems to work now.
14:26
<prpplague>
ogra: and retofited some old cirrus logic web tv units as thin clients
14:26
<ogra>
i heard about some armarda based clients recently
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but with their own OS on board so not actually ltsp
14:28
<prpplague>
ogra: years ago i purchased a pallette of these - http://www.dfcd.net/projects/webpal/webpal.html
14:28
ogra: made ltsp clients out of them for a POS system
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<ogra>
nice !
14:29
what POS software did you run ?
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<prpplague>
ogra: i was a variation of that pizza store pos, don't know if it is still around
14:30* prpplague looks
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<ogra>
ah
14:30
bananapos ?
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<prpplague>
hmm, i can't remember
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<ogra>
ah, well, not important :)
14:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
prpplague, hello.
14:34
<prpplague>
ogra: was TinaPOS and is now called Openbravo POS
14:34
_UsUrPeR_: greetings
14:34
<ogra>
ah
14:35* _UsUrPeR_ reads above
14:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
Anything I can help out with?
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<prpplague>
_UsUrPeR_: negative, we were just chatting about the good ol' days of LTSP and some of possibility of doing some ARM based clients
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<highvoltage>
hmm, seems like I accidentally put 'pizza' on my higlight list
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18:07* vagrantc has been futzing with some arm-based thin clients
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<vagrantc>
largely the efikamx
18:07
well, pretty much exclusively
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<alkisg>
How do they perform?
18:10
<vagrantc>
well, i haven't really had a chance to test the video much
18:10
it's only got HDMI output
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<vagrantc>
and i can only infrequently borrow the rommates HDMI capable screen
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and... it's ethernet is tied to USB ... and it u-boot refuses to boot from usb ethernet ...
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so not exactly *great* thin-client material
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<shogunx>
howdy all. is there a port for the hp t5325?
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