IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 August 2012   (all times are UTC)

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00:09
<darthanubis>
I'm getting "failed toload session "ubuntu"" errors upon login on fresh ltps install.
00:10
Have not found much clues on the web as of yet
00:11
Anyone run into this?
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00:32
<darthanubis>
failed to load session "ubuntu"
00:32
is there something I need to do because first login from a thin client?
00:32
before/because
00:36
<vagrantc>
darthanubis: it sounds similar to problems people often have ...
00:36
should be some recent posts on ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net about it
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<darthanubis>
vagrantc,thx, I'll try to search that list
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06:14
<mealstrom>
good morning
06:14
<alkisg>
Καλημέρα
06:14
<knipwim>
mogge
06:15
<muppis>
Hyvää huomenta
06:21
<mealstrom>
someone dont want to work? :D
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<Hyperbyte>
Hey hey hey!
07:17
I like how the LTSP world map is slowly getting more pins. :-)
07:26
<muppis>
:D
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07:31
<Hyperbyte>
Who'd have thought LTSP is used at a clinic in Brazil. :-)
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07:32
<Hyperbyte>
http://www.ltsp.org/stories/stats-country/
07:33
<alkisg>
Are the stats measured by client numbers, or by installations?
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<jimjimovich2>
anyone know how to set the default language for the ldm login screen and for the user sessions in 12.04
07:38
?
07:40
LDM_LANGUAGE=ru_RU doesn't seem to do anything
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<alkisg>
jimjimovich2: when you installed Ubuntu, did you select russian in the installer?
07:40
<jimjimovich2>
no
07:40
I installed the English version, then added Russian
07:40
<alkisg>
If you would, you wouldn't need to do anything else at all
07:40
When installing, there's an option to select the language, and has all languages there
07:41
(with the english version)
07:41
<jimjimovich2>
yeah, now i'll probably have all kinds of paper size issues and stuff too ... :(
07:41
<alkisg>
Anyways, LANG= for ldm and LDM_LANGUAGE= for the session
07:42
<jimjimovich2>
in the ru_RU format?
07:42
<alkisg>
ru_RU.UTF-8
07:42
Some other things to do in general about languages (not related specifically to LTSP) dpkg-reconfigure console-setup, gnome-language-selector
07:43
If you configure console-setup correctly, then X automatically picks up the correct keyboard layout etc
07:44
<jimjimovich2>
thanks!
07:44
<alkisg>
Ah and dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration, cat /etc/default/locale
07:47
<jimjimovich2>
we upgraded to 12.04 this morning
07:47
so far, so good. lots of little bugs to work out
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08:29
<zrenjanin>
edubuntu 12.04 tftp read timeout anybody can help?
08:57
<Hyperbyte>
!tftp
08:57
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: tftp: Here's a page to help you troubleshoot TFTP problems in Ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Troubleshooting/TFTP
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08:58
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, those stats are measured by installations
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<silvergti>
hello! good morning
10:06
can anyone tell me if it's possible to have smartcards working in LTSP?
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10:41
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, can I get you to tak ea l
10:41
*take a look at something for me? :-)
10:42
Or point me in the right direction?
10:42
I have a USB harddisk, which works on the local machine, but doesn't get transferred to the server session (thin clients, 12.04)0
10:44
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: you're talking about localdevs, right?
10:45
No idea about ltspfs/ltspfsd, we don't use it... :)
10:45
<Hyperbyte>
Oh no. :P
10:45
<alkisg>
We actually don't use almost any of the ltsp-specific technologies here :D
10:46
No jetpipe, localapps, localdev, and even teachers usually mute sound (pulse) :D
10:47
<Hyperbyte>
:(
10:47
Seems like a USB stick works, but not the harddisk
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<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: btw, I asked one of my teammates about the map, and he said that if you can make it support #number of thins, #number of fats, and comment, per location, we'd be happy to switch our map to the new one
10:55
<Hyperbyte>
Wait, comment?
10:55
What exactly is that? :P
10:56
<alkisg>
Yeah, so that they can e.g. write the name of the person in charge or whatever else
11:00
Ah, and come to think of it... :P
11:00
!learn Hyperbyte as We all thank our super duper webadmin for his contributions... er, also, reminder: make the irclogs.ltsp.org banner scrollable to save screen estate for mobile phones :D
11:00
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
11:03
<knipwim>
alkisg, Hyperbyte in the future we could let ltsp-info send the state of a specific ltsp network
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and also keep the stats up-to-date
11:03
<alkisg>
Cool idea!
11:06
Maybe we should be noting down all the ideas as wishlist bugs...
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<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, which reminds me - irclogs.ltsp.org needs to be moved to ltsp.org, as well as the IRC bot
11:27
We need to get together for this sometime in the near future. :)
11:27
!alkisg
11:27
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: alkisg: The LTSP oracle. Our beacon of hope in the world of LTSP. With the guidance of this divine emperor, we shall prevail.
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12:41
<jimjimovich2>
anyone experienced a weird problem where a thin client boots with half the left half of the screen being a distorted login screen and the right half being the ubuntu bootup screen?
12:42
<muppis>
Sounds gpu hw failure.
12:42
<jimjimovich2>
it works fine with 10.04 and also as a fat client in 12.04
12:42
i've got that problem on 2 clients
12:43
<muppis>
So only in thins happens this?
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<jimjimovich2>
yeah, if i boot these 2 clients as thin clients it happens, if i boot as fat client, then it's fine
12:44
<muppis>
With no closed source modules?
12:45
<jimjimovich2>
i didn't install any
12:46
i think it these two have nvidia cards in them
12:46
<muppis>
Then might that thin, which should use very same modules as fat, does not initiliaze graphics correctly. Maybe missing some config?
12:46
<jimjimovich2>
yeah, i get that feeling
12:47
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm... I think something goes wrong with cdpinger and my disk
12:47
Anyone got any ideas what 'cdpinger' is supposed to do?
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12:48
<Hyperbyte>
No wait sorry, I'm misreading the source. :(
12:49* muppis stands in hold.
12:54
<Hyperbyte>
a-ha!
12:54
In ltspfs_entry the LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS also denies my USB harddisk I think
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<Hyperbyte>
Yep... added LOCALDEV_DENY_INTERNAL_DISKS=False
13:01
to lts.conf... now it works
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<Hyperbyte>
Looks like that didn't solve all my problems
13:23
Somehow a 500 GB partition is recongised as a 117 MB one
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<Hyperbyte>
Heh - thought I'd format it as vfat instead of ext4, see if that'd help... it's now 30.5 MB
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<Hyperbyte>
With ext3 at least it's 114 MB. :P
13:50
This part of my plan to hook up a USB disk to LTSP to back up some data isn't going so well
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13:57
<Hyperbyte>
[D[Dhttp://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=87likrejzx.fsf%40vostro.rath.org&forum_name=fuse-devel
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14:29
<darthanubis>
failed to load session "ubuntu"<<<<I get this at every attempt to login
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14:35
<darthanubis>
ubuntu 12.04 i386 server w/ ltsp
14:41
<Hyperbyte>
darthanubis, I think you need to specify LDM_XSESSION in lts.conf
14:41
!lts.conf
14:41
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: lts.conf: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
14:41
<Hyperbyte>
!classic-gnome
14:41
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: Error: "classic-gnome" is not a valid command.
14:41
<Hyperbyte>
!gnome-fallback
14:41
<ltsp>
Hyperbyte: gnome-fallback: Unity, compiz etc are sometimes slow or buggy. To select gnome-fallback as your default session, install the gnome-session-fallback package, and put this in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
14:42
<Hyperbyte>
Or something along those lines
14:42
Wait, for 12.04.... LDM_XSESSION="gnome-session --session=gnome-fallback"
14:42
That's what I have for 12.04
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<darthanubis>
Hyperbyte,sorry I was googling. So I have to chroot in and install gnome-session-fallback?
15:16
then edit lts.conf?
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<quiliro>
hi people
15:20
<darthanubis>
do I install the package in the chroot or directly to the server?
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15:20
<quiliro>
i was wondering if it would be a good option to install a basic OS on bios on the clients and just connect to the server for the apps
15:20
no need to load os through the network...what do you think?
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<Hyperbyte>
quiliro, explain how this "installing a basic OS on clients BIOS" would work?
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<quiliro>
Hyperbyte: enough to have an X server so that it could use apps on the server
15:28
and and all of the client's hardware of course
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15:51
<knipwim>
[GuS]: which xorg-server are you running on your clients?
15:51
1.12 or <1.12 ?
15:52
<[GuS]>
knipwim: let me check
15:52
knipwim: Installed versions: 1.12.2
15:53
knipwim: why?
15:53
<knipwim>
i can't get 1.12.2 to work
15:53
<[GuS]>
:S
15:53
<knipwim>
if i downgrade to 1.11.4, it does
15:53
<[GuS]>
weird. Heres works just fine
15:54
<darthanubis>
Hyperbyte, I install the package in the chroot or directly to the server?
15:54
<[GuS]>
knipwim: i don't remember if i had problems with that on the installation
15:54
I think i did, but i dont remember
15:54
<knipwim>
[GuS]: the said something about udev keymap USE flag
15:55
<[GuS]>
mmm
15:55
<knipwim>
you have udev compiled with or without the keymap USE flag?
15:55
<[GuS]>
I remember that on the first run, i had problems with X, but i don t remember how i've fixed it and which was the problem
15:56
i think that wsa a missing lib and revdep-rebuild did the job
15:56
I saw the error on the client log
15:58
<Hyperbyte> quiliro, explain how this "installing a basic OS on clients BIOS" would work? >> i remember in our work once we had a thin client that had in its firmware a basic linux which later allowed you to configure the server to conncet XDMCP
15:59
maybe he refers to it :D
15:59
<quiliro>
exactly [GuS]
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<[GuS]>
:)
16:02
which by the way, tha one we had, sucks...
16:02
Was a Encore
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<quiliro>
would it better to do it that way than ltsp?
16:03
why did it such?
16:03
<[GuS]>
quiliro: i am not sure. The main problem we had was the video driver and you cant do nothing about it, since is inside its firmware
16:03
But, if you can put another firmware, maybe.
16:04
<quiliro>
oh
16:04
<[GuS]>
So, in that case you dont use LTSP. You just connect to the XDMCP server.
16:04
<quiliro>
i nderstand....my question is: ¿advantages /disadvantages?
16:04
<[GuS]>
But well, maybe there are betters. Encore is not that great.
16:05
Advantage, you dont need to setup LTSP, that as an example.
16:05
<quiliro>
my idea is to use old machines and replace their bios
16:05
<[GuS]>
Disad.... things like drivers.
16:06
But old machines has a small flash on their BIOS i am sure.
16:06
<quiliro>
but that might be more work than setting up ltsp
16:06
<[GuS]>
I dont know how much you can do
16:06
<quiliro>
[GuS]: coreboot?
16:06
<[GuS]>
quiliro: could work.
16:11
quiliro: this is the one we had http://www.encore-usa.com/ro/product/ENTC-1000
16:11
So, look this "Embedded Linux kernel 2.4.21"
16:11
:P
16:11
very old firmware...
16:11
<quiliro>
:-|
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: thx for the tip, but no go
16:19
it wasn't the rebuild, not the udev keymap USE
16:19
<[GuS]>
weird then, diff. problem
16:19
<Hyperbyte>
quiliro, [GuS], the "firmware" and "bios" you're referring to, I assume you guys means the internal flash ROM with a small OS installed on it?
16:19
<[GuS]>
Hyperbyte: exactly.
16:20
<Hyperbyte>
Right
16:20
<[GuS]>
Has a minimal kernel/os.
16:20
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I've seen it. :)00000
16:20
*:)
16:21
I'd say doing a regular network boot is lots easier.
16:21
<[GuS]>
Hyperbyte: indeed.
16:21
and better for me... i have control over all :P
16:21
If something does not worl (i.e. ltsp) i can fix it
16:22
<Hyperbyte>
darthanubis, I'm not telling you to install gnome-fallback, I'm telling you to define a specific LDM_XSESSION. If you want to use gnome-fallback, then install that. Otherwise specify the the session that you do want.
16:22
[GuS], yep. :) Is your LTSP already on http://www.ltsp.org/stories/? ;-)
16:22
<knipwim>
yeah, good one
16:23
one more Gentoo story!
16:23
<[GuS]>
Hyperbyte: indeed. In the company where I work. When i came (2009) they were using ltsp4.2.
16:24
It was long and tedious to deal with LTSP5, but did it. The thing was that in every install i had diff. problems, but many cause Gentoo portage
16:24
and others cause LTSP
16:24
now thanks for the help of knipwim i've fixed many, and also i the way learned a lot
16:25
<Hyperbyte>
:)
16:25
<[GuS]>
ohhh i going to be the first in Argentina? :D
16:25
:P
16:26
<Hyperbyte>
Yes! :) Yay, you're gonna put Argentina on the map!
16:26
<quiliro>
Hyperbyte: what problems could not be solved if the basic os would not be installed on client section of the server?
16:26
<[GuS]>
Hyperbyte: :P i was going to mark it
16:26
mmm i must mark it in the map?
16:29
Done!
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: is it supposed to be in the atlantic ocean?
16:35
<[GuS]>
lol no. i will fix it
16:36
There!
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16:40
<knipwim>
nice
16:41
<[GuS]>
knipwim: how i do save the history? or is saved?
16:41
<knipwim>
the history?
16:41
<[GuS]>
Yep
16:41
i will check the link
16:42
ok, is there :P
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: victory!
17:16
apparantly, my xorg-drivers were compiled against the wrong kernel
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or something like that
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<[GuS]>
knipwim: nice! :D
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<jocarter>
vagrantc: howdy!
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<jammcq>
hey guys
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<ogzy>
i am trying to undaterstand how thinclients get the BIOS settings from a central server, any link or explanation about it? /dev/nvram is used for that?
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<darthanubis>
I'm using xfce for a thin client desktop, however it seems it is missing some icons ie thunar
17:44* vagrantc waves to jammcq
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<vagrantc>
darthanubis: if you're talking about local devices, those won't show up in xfce. they should be present in /media/USERNAME
17:46
<darthanubis>
icons, not devices
17:46
<vagrantc>
ah.
17:46
<ogra_>
isnt that the same ?
17:46
:P
17:47* ogra_ would guess you are missing an icon packae
17:47
<vagrantc>
darthanubis: works fine if not using LTSP on the same server?
17:47
<darthanubis>
I have no way of testing that
17:48
some icons show, most don't
17:48
<ogra_>
what OS is that ?
17:48
<darthanubis>
ubuntu-server 12.04
17:48
i386
17:49
<ogra_>
did you install the full xubuntu-desktop package ?
17:50
<darthanubis>
no, just the xfce4-session
17:50
<ogra_>
yeah, so you are likely missing an icon theme package
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<darthanubis>
ok, because I have just about all of the apps that come with xfce4
17:51
just missing a lot of icons
17:51
I'm so new to this.
17:51
<ogra_>
sudo apt-get install xubuntu-icon-theme
17:52
i gguess that shoudl be the package
17:52
<darthanubis>
I realise to install software on the server NOT in the chroot, which is what I was doing before
17:52
then I have to rebuild the image
17:54
do I have to rebuild the complete client again, o is there a way to refresh the client to only pick up new changes?
17:54
ltsp-updaete-ima
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<vagrantc>
there's no need to run ltsp-update-image if you just change stuff on the server.
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<vagrantc>
only if you modify the chroot.
17:57
<ogra_>
right, just log in to your terminal with the broken icons :)
17:57
and run the apt-get line i gave above
17:57
then re-login and the icons should be there
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<ogzy>
which is the best linux distro to try on thin clients as os? thinstation?
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<darthanubis>
ogra_,oh I see, so I could have just apt-get inside the thin client to get the icons? I thought that had to be done via the actual server, because I thought the thin clients are not able to install packages?
18:12
<ogra_>
your desktop session runs on the server :)
18:13
imagine the thin client as an extra set of input/output devices
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<darthanubis>
so if I install inside the thin client, it get installed on the server? But only in the chrooted environment right?
18:15
Thin clients are not actually installing software on to the server proper?
18:15
<vagrantc>
don't install anything in the client.
18:15
forget the chroot exists.
18:15
just install directly on the server.
18:15
<darthanubis>
that is what I thought
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<ogra_>
the chroot is only for runnin said input/output devices, nothing more :)
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<darthanubis>
you guys have been very helpful
18:34
<stgraber>
vagrantc: about to tag a new ltsp-trunk
18:34
<vagrantc>
stgraber: sweet
18:35
<stgraber>
vagrantc: done
18:36
<vagrantc>
stgraber: won't see it in debian till post wheezy (unless there's some major changes that i want in experimental)
18:36
<stgraber>
vagrantc: it's pretty much bugfix only with Ubuntu/Gentoo change
18:36
*changes
18:36
<vagrantc>
right
18:38
<Hyperbyte>
vagrantc, stgraber, ogra_ ... you guys on http://www.ltsp.org/stories/ yet? ;-)
18:38
</spam>
18:38
<stgraber>
Hyperbyte: I don't use ltsp
18:39
<Hyperbyte>
:o!
18:39
<stgraber>
you don't need to use it to develop it ;)
18:39
<Hyperbyte>
Well no, just surprising. :-)
18:40
Usually you deploy something and then start developing because it doesn't fully suit your needs. :)
18:40
Makes your work all the more admirable. :P
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<vagrantc>
Hyperbyte: are those success stories?
18:42
<Hyperbyte>
vagrantc, success stories, worldmap, global statistics - you name it! :)
18:42
<vagrantc>
Hyperbyte: cautionary tales? :)
18:43
<Hyperbyte>
Haha
18:43
Maybe! :)
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<knipwim>
stgraber: tagged already?
18:52
doh!
18:52
<stgraber>
knipwim: yep
18:53
<knipwim>
a little more heads up next time please
18:53
<stgraber>
knipwim: sorry, on a bit of a deadline for Ubuntu and in the middle of a big mess with 12.04.1 ;)
18:53
<knipwim>
kk
18:53
<stgraber>
knipwim: well, feel free to tag another one in 30min, I don't care :)
18:53
<knipwim>
hehe
18:53
it wasn't that serious
18:54
i was in the middle of releasing a ltsp-client, but all necessary stuff was included
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<[GuS]>
Time to go home, by guys/girls!
19:09
bye*
19:09
<knipwim>
bye
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<foobar08>
anybody having problems with PXE booting with a RHEL 5.8 server?
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<knipwim>
nice, ltsp-5.4.3 released for Gentoo!
20:38* vagrantc cheers
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<dead_inside>
yayayay thats awesome knipwim
21:48
EMERGE THE WORLD!!!!
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<Hyperbyte>
Yay!
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<jocarter>
vagrantc: around?
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<vagrantc>
jocarter: ish
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<jocarter>
vagrantc: I'm kind of wondering if it's too late to change the ldm theme.
23:18
vagrantc: the background really just doesn't look right at 16 bit, so either it should be converted to 16 bit with gimp that does nicer dithering or maybe it should just be a solid colour.
23:18
vagrantc: (but if you're busy now we can discuss this tomorrow or so)
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<alkisg>
jocarter: I'm wondering if a programming change is required there instead of a theme one
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<jocarter>
alkisg: so that ldm always displays the theme in 24bit?
23:27
<alkisg>
I.e. I think that if you open the background on 16bit with an image viewer, it'll appear fine
23:27
<jocarter>
ah right
23:28
<alkisg>
...while if you open a jpg with ldm, it'll suck (didn't try it, just a hunch)
23:28
<jocarter>
so the methods used for downscaling the colours should change
23:28
<alkisg>
So yeah it should use dithering or something
23:28
It might be as simple as a gtk option
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<jocarter>
yeah it seems to use the wrong calculating method because I get some yellowish bands between shades of blue
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<vagrantc>
jocarter: i don't think it's too late to update the theme, if it's not too radically different
23:40
and looks a lot better
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