IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 29 February 2012   (all times are UTC)

00:51* hughessd waves at vagrantc
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01:24
<hughessd>
hey, vagrant, in one of our previous conversation you'd mentioned the thinClient's logs as a resource for troubleshooting video problems. Do you know know which logs would be most relevant? I've already found an error about "[drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id" .... does that error message mean anything to you?
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01:52
<vagrantc>
hughessd: not off the top of my head
01:52
hughessd: you're on ubuntu?
01:57
<hughessd>
hey vagrant, sorry bout that, had to take a call.
01:58
yes ubuntu 10.04
01:58
bc its LTS
02:08
found this though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/800140
02:13
<vagrantc>
hughessd: gotta run, but hopefully some of the ubuntu ltsp folks can help ya further
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02:20
<hughessd>
sure, thanks vagrant. me too...
02:35
hm, seems to be an ubuntu error, not ltsp. grr
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12:48* [GuS] Morning!
12:49
<andygraybeal_>
mornining :)))
12:50
<elias_a>
Afternoon! :)
12:52
<[GuS]>
lol
12:54
<andygraybeal_>
[GuS], ah your in #bacula too :) very nice
12:54
<[GuS]>
andygraybeal_: yeah :P
12:54
I've implemented that in my work.
12:54
<andygraybeal_>
yea, me too
12:54
i <3 it
12:55
<[GuS]>
Haha yeah... i just hated at the beginning, now is great.
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12:56
<[GuS]>
knipwim: morning, now i have new problems... lol... LTSP will get me an older man :P
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13:06
<andygraybeal_>
[GuS], yea, i had the same probs.. it was very hard for me to learn
13:06
[GuS], bacula that is.
13:06
<[GuS]>
andygraybeal_: yeah. I've become almost expert on it later :P
13:06
<andygraybeal_>
[GuS], now i'm trying to learn how to ldap auth with alfresco.. omg omg omg omg.. i'm gonna go friggen bald
13:06
<[GuS]>
haha
13:06
;)
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<andygraybeal_>
all in good time :)
13:09
even though it's very frustrating and the people in my workplace might think i am wasting tons of time.
13:09
generally they are understanding though
13:10
i feel bad a lot though
13:16
<[GuS]>
:S
13:17
At the beginning is kind hard Bacula, but the you realize how powerfull is.
13:17
brb
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13:23
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
13:25
<highvoltage>
good morning
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13:32
<knipwim>
[GuS]: still at work here
13:32
but tell me, what are the problems?
13:33
<[GuS]>
And error, but in stage installation part. let me log i...
13:33
in*
13:36
And i think yesterday i've found abug report of this, something about that an app was not finding pythond installation or so.
13:48
<Hyperbyte>
mhm... when I watch a YouTube video fullscreen, the video starts lagging greatly... maybe 2fps per second
13:48
I've found the bottleneck is the Xorg on the client, which is eating processor mhz's like candy
13:49
Is there any way to remedy this? Bring the CPU usage down?
13:49
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: thin client, with directx=true?
13:49
<Hyperbyte>
LDM_DIRECTX="True"
13:49
<alkisg>
Which graphics card and driver? on localxterm, lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
13:50
<Hyperbyte>
1920x1080 resolution though
13:50
<alkisg>
Eeeeh full screen HD video without xv on thin client?!
13:50
Do you know how much bandwidth that takes?
13:50
<Hyperbyte>
Bandwith isn't bottleneck
13:50
But yeah, around 120mbit/sec
13:50
<alkisg>
Nope
13:50
Count again
13:50
<Hyperbyte>
I measured.
13:50
<alkisg>
That's limited by your fps
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Oh
13:51
<alkisg>
Measure the unlimited one
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, that makes sense.
13:51
<alkisg>
brb
13:51
<Hyperbyte>
Still, iptraf shows it's using around 120 mbit/sec
13:51
'top' shows Xorg is eating > 85% CPU
13:51
Pulseaudio is eating the rest
13:52
SmallR2002_:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
13:52
Subsystem: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae]
13:52
Kernel driver in use: i915
13:53
For now I'm running out of CPU on the client due to Xorg... I'll probably hit a bandwith limit later on as well, but for now I'm just curious if Xorg really needs that much CPU, and if it doesn't, how I can bring it down.
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14:12
<[GuS]>
knipwim: i think cause was using a binary package. So i've added EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--buildpkg" to the quickstart profile in pre_install_portage.
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14:33
<knipwim>
[GuS]: buildpkg: "Tells emerge to build binary packages for all ebuilds processed..."
14:33
in ltsp-server-5.3 these settings are set in /var/lib/layman/ltsp/profiles/ltsp/make.defaults
14:34
<[GuS]>
knipwim: Ah ok, i just used that in 5.2 to not use binary packages.
14:35
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: 1920x1080x32(bits per pixel)x25(frames per second) = 1.658.880.000, i.e. 1.6 Gbps. I.e. switch to using a localapps firefox for HD video.
14:35
<[GuS]>
knipwim: where is documented all the changes in ltsp gentoo?
14:35
Cause is like impossible to know in any other case...
14:36
Now i saw this, before was in the profile, in 5.2...
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177580#c176
14:40
<[GuS]>
ok, i didnt saw that post
14:40
<knipwim>
you can still use the quickstart profile to add settings
14:40
the quickstart settings will take precedence
14:40
<[GuS]>
Yes, i saw that with the recent chance.
14:41
<knipwim>
i never mess with the settings, and just throw away the binary packages once in a while
14:43
<[GuS]>
This is the second time i have problems when using binary packages :S
14:43
Now is building the packages..
14:44
<knipwim>
yeah, i've not found a good way to deal with those
14:44
<[GuS]>
Also, something that never works for me is ldm, even if i update the ssh keys...
14:44
i always use XDMCP...
14:45
Since most at all since in my work, not all users logins in the same server.
14:45
<stgraber>
alkisg: ping
14:45
<alkisg>
stgraber: pong
14:45
<stgraber>
alkisg: we just discovered a pretty bad bug in 12.04 beta1 with LTSP's dmrc parsing
14:46
<alkisg>
Ouch, what?
14:46
<stgraber>
alkisg: for some reason, we're using TryExec instead of Exec when using the dmrc
14:46
alkisg: so we use /etc/X11/Xsession "unity" instead of /etc/X11/Xsession "gnome-session --session=ubuntu"
14:46
the first forces unity in 3D mode which doesn't quite work on a thin client
14:47
<alkisg>
stgraber: wait, I had noticed that when I rewrote dmrc processing and I used Exec instead
14:47
<stgraber>
the second goes through gnome-session and does the 3D check
14:47
<alkisg>
I don't see tryexec at all at the current trunk
14:47
<stgraber>
alkisg: ah right, current trunk is fine, Ubuntu isn't ;)
14:47
<alkisg>
That's why I rewrote dmrc, it wasn't working at all :)
14:48
(it also had bigger problems than the tryexec part)
14:48
E.g. it didn't convert between "LDM_SESSION" and ".dmrc" format
14:48
where the first is a complete line, and the second is a .desktop file name
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14:50
<alkisg>
!ubuntu-2d
14:50
<ltsp>
alkisg: ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
14:50
<alkisg>
stgraber: note that vagrantc argued that LDM_SESSION should be the complete line, not just "ubuntu-2d"
14:51
Because that was its original implementation, so I sticked to that
14:52
<stgraber>
alkisg: right and all my code already uses the complete line, so that's fine
14:52
<alkisg>
Nice, so we only need a syncing in Ubuntu beta, no big problem
14:52
<stgraber>
sending the sync request now, probably won't make it for beta 1 unless we have another reason to rebuild the world
14:53
<alkisg>
stgraber: I'm planning on releasing a new (bugfixing) epoptes version today or tomorrow, if vagrantc uploads it to debian soon, when can I sync it with Ubuntu without causing any schedule problems?
14:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: very late on Thursday or otherwise on Friday
14:54
<alkisg>
Thank you :)
14:54
<stgraber>
alkisg: you can look at the topic of #ubuntu-devel, it usually says if the archive is frozen
14:54
<alkisg>
Gotcha
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<naptastic>
unfortunately, I can't stick around long. But how does LTSP deal with udev rules binding ethernet interfaces to new names for every client?
15:08
I've got several hundred clients with 3 nics each, and want them to always be eth0 - 2, but /etc/udev/rules.d/70persistent-net is shared between the boxes so I'm not sure how to make that happen.
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<alkisg>
naptastic: eth0 to 2 is what you'll get by default
15:17
If you don't use persistence
15:17
<naptastic>
alkisg, do you happen to know how to disable persistence? :-) Because right now they are persisting.
15:17
<alkisg>
naptastic: so what names do you get?
15:18
Also, which distro/version?
15:19
<naptastic>
alkisg, Debian Squeeze, and as more clients turn on, the names just get bigger, eth12, eth42, etc
15:19
<alkisg>
Errr that's surely not by default, you probably did something there
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<alkisg>
You don't have a RW nfs export, do you?
15:21
<naptastic>
I'm pretty sure it is rw
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<naptastic>
Is it supposed to be, like, ro except for /home or something?
15:23
I'm gonna lurk here, but I gotta go to work. Thanks for the help!
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<naptastic>
awww
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<alkisg>
naptastic: I'm pretty sure it needs to be RO instead of RW
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<alkisg>
And it's possible that you'll get more problems other than the persistent names, now that you've booted a client with it RW
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<[GuS]>
Ufff.. ltsp clients finally created.
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<[GuS]>
knipwim: i have a interesting tftp bug :P
16:46
Gentoo does not love at all :( http://pastebin.com/ApKVNAp4
16:50
i will try with atftp..
17:04
Ok, atftp works
17:13
ufff, LTSP clients boots :D
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<xsl>
if i have a CDRW on the LTSP server - is possible for the clients to burn CDS right?
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<LuizAngioletti>
howdy!
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17:28
<LuizAngioletti>
guys... here is the deal. I have a virtual environment with VBox: 1 server, 1 client. The server is Ubuntu 10.04 and has Vbox guest additions installed (so I can comfortably resize my screen). The client isn't that lucky, but when I try to install the vbox-guest-additions, I get the message it's already installed. How to make it recognize the guest-additions?
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<LuizAngioletti>
Google wasn't much of a help. =/
17:36
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: i think should be installed in the chroot.
17:36
<LuizAngioletti>
[GuS]: Ok. That's something I don't understand exactly. What is and where is located the chroot?
17:37
[GuS]: Because... The server has it installed, and it works.
17:37
<[GuS]>
chroot contains the image of LTSP client that loads when the workstation boot.
17:37
In Ubuntu, i dont know where it is. I just have experience with LTSP in gentoo
17:37
But should be inside /opt for sure
17:38
<LuizAngioletti>
either way... how would you do it?
17:38
<[GuS]>
Just dig in the LTSP wiki, iirc it explain about the chroot
17:38
<LuizAngioletti>
ok. =)
17:38
<[GuS]>
LTSP wiki of ubuntu i mean
17:39
<knipwim>
[GuS]: yeah, that was the bug i mailed you about a while ago
17:39
<[GuS]>
knipwim: well, atfp works so is ok. LTSP client is done :)
17:40
Always a long road :P
17:40
<knipwim>
cool
17:40
<LuizAngioletti>
[GuS]: If anyone asks again, I think this will be a good reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
17:40
<knipwim>
i'll file a bug for the tftp issue
17:40
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: yes, i was looking into that.
17:41
LuizAngioletti: i knew was there around :)
17:41
<LuizAngioletti>
Thx again. =)
17:41
<[GuS]>
No problem.
17:42
LuizAngioletti: the most important is to mount proc and sys, and later you can chroot
17:42
Inside there, just install what you need like a normal machine.
17:42
<LuizAngioletti>
Like I do when installing Gentoo?
17:43
My client has proc and sys mounted already.
17:43
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: you have there another ubuntu environment, so
17:43
<LuizAngioletti>
I'm talking to you through it.
17:43
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: you dont have to install it under your started client
17:44
Since if the server itself what you see there.
17:44
Is why its tells you that already exist
17:44
<LuizAngioletti>
Ok. That's where I mix things up.
17:44
<[GuS]>
from there server, where LTSP server is, you must chroot into the LTSP env. and install it there.
17:44
Yep
17:45
<LuizAngioletti>
So.. LTSP client actually runs on server software, right? It is as if the /usr is network mounted.
17:45
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: yes. Only runs local apps (LTSP chroot) if you specified it in the lts.conf
17:45
<LuizAngioletti>
But I have to load an image with software of it's own?
17:46
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: I don't understand your question...
17:46
<LuizAngioletti>
[GuS]: Please, try to make it simpler. I've read the LTSP documentation, and now I'm trying to get my hands dirty.
17:46
<knipwim>
[GuS]: btw. you know the ltsp-chroot command?
17:46
<LuizAngioletti>
The thing I make mess about...
17:46
Is:
17:47
I've a server running. Ok. It is a LTSP server. I get it. Then, I start the diskless client, which in turn asks the server for a kernel image to boot.
17:47
after it's booted, isn't it running server software? Like.. If I install something on the server, isn't it available to the client?
17:48
[GuS]: ?
17:49
<knipwim>
LuizAngioletti: yes
17:49
software installed on the server is available on the client
17:49
because you log in to the server from the client
17:49
<LuizAngioletti>
but then, why isn't the guest-additions available at the client?
17:50
<knipwim>
the client only runs the system to allow a login screen and logging in on the server
17:50
<[GuS]>
Sorry, i was off my notebook
17:50
<knipwim>
guest-additions?
17:50
<[GuS]>
knipwim: is a driver from virtualbox
17:51
LuizAngioletti: drivers and suck must be installed in the chroot from ltsp
17:52
<LuizAngioletti>
[GuS]: I think I understood it. Seeing the directory tree under /opt/ltsp... I got what you meant.
17:52
I chrooted to the ltsp tree and am now performing updates.
17:53
<knipwim>
[GuS]: btw. you know the ltsp-chroot command? it chroots into the specified ltsp-chroot, also mounting package dirs, proc and dev
17:53
also recently added to the gentoo package
17:54
<[GuS]>
knipwim: i didnt know, i just did a script for thart
17:54
that*
17:54
<knipwim>
same here
17:54
but no longer!
17:54
<[GuS]>
haha nice
17:54
<LuizAngioletti>
Folks, thx a lot.
17:54
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: yes
17:54
<LuizAngioletti>
I'll reboot and check if it worked. =)
17:54
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: ok
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17:55* [GuS] thanks to LTSP in gentoo i am becoming an expert :P
17:55
<knipwim>
hehe
17:56
if you any suggestions for improvement, let me know
17:56
<[GuS]>
knipwim: Ok!
18:01
<knipwim>
[GuS]: and as for information needs, i'll try to update the gentoo bug page when something major changes
18:01
also you could register to wiki.gentoo.org and add the LTSP page to your watchlist
18:02
<[GuS]>
Perfect, i will for sure
18:02
Also i have a own wiki in the Trac of my work, maybe i could put everything i see into that gentoo wiki
18:03
<knipwim>
cool, probably a lot of tips, tricks and troubleshooting
18:04
<[GuS]>
=)
18:06
"What is the name of the Gentoo mascot" lol
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<LuizAngioletti>
There and back again. =)
18:08
It worked, but not quite.
18:08
I have a much larger screen resolution on the client, but I don't have the "Auto resize" option enabled.
18:09
<[GuS]>
Mmm
18:09
Well, is a start :P
18:10
<LuizAngioletti>
yep
18:10
I'll settle for now. =)
18:11
It's not my priority at the moment.
18:11
<[GuS]>
knipwim: ok, created my account in Gentoo wiki :D
18:12
<knipwim>
and? added the LTSP page to your watchlist?
18:14
<[GuS]>
I am looking for my what list :P
18:14
Ahh there, was in spanish :P
18:15
knipwim: i just add http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LTSP ?
18:18
Ok, added
18:24
<LuizAngioletti>
Is flash (like youtube) lagged in your experience?
18:24
or is it my setup which is faulty?
18:25
[GuS]: ?
18:25
knipwim: ?
18:25
<knipwim>
!directx
18:25
<ltsp>
knipwim: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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<LuizAngioletti>
knipwim: I've disabled it... oh no. Wait. I'm testing with it. =P
18:26
Is it that dramatic the difference?
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<knipwim>
don't know about "dramatic" but the difference is noticable
18:30
<highvoltage>
it makes a big difference and even a bigger difference if you have older thin clients or many users
18:31
but you do trade off a lot of security for it (user keystrokes / displays travel over the network unencrypted)
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18:32
<LuizAngioletti>
highvoltage: yeah...
18:32
I don't think it will be an issue in my situation...
18:33
<asmok>
highvoltage, hi, any news ;-)
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<[GuS]>
knipwim: btw, thanks to me in my company we use LTSP5... before i've start to work here, they where using LTSP4 :S
18:38
knipwim: nobody wanted to put hands on the new ltsp :P
18:40
<knipwim>
nice job then
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<knipwim>
you're certainly the expert in your company
18:42
<xsl>
if i have a CDRW on the LTSP server - is possible for the clients to burn CDS right?
18:42
<knipwim>
xsl yes
18:43
<xsl>
tyvm
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<LuizAngioletti>
Does the thinclient network interface need to be in promiscuous mode?
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19:06
<LuizAngioletti>
\me wonders how is it that he can contribute to the project...
19:06
Oops.
19:06
=P
19:07
\me
19:07
how can I do that?
19:07
=P
19:09
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: the \ is for using to much Window$ :P
19:10
<LuizAngioletti>
I wouldn't say that... =P How can I post a message like those: * [GuS] says... =P
19:11* [GuS] by using the right slash :P
19:12
<LuizAngioletti>
Há!
19:12* LuizAngioletti says hello to [GuS] the right way
19:12* LuizAngioletti thanks you very much.
19:12
<[GuS]>
:D
19:13* LuizAngioletti has no more ego, there for speaks only on third person.
19:13
<[GuS]>
lol
19:14
<LuizAngioletti>
I've mentioned here a few weeks ago that I'd write a cientific paper on LTSP lod.
19:14
*load
19:14
<[GuS]>
knipwim: off-topic: what can be that the service net.lo and any related to netcard (like net.eth0) does not start? and non error in logs?
19:14
Is a old server i have here..
19:14
<LuizAngioletti>
I'm starting the load tests today. =) Yey!
19:15
<[GuS]>
LuizAngioletti: /
19:15
?
19:15
<LuizAngioletti>
[GuS]: What?
19:15
<[GuS]>
"load tests"
19:15
<LuizAngioletti>
how much workload can the server take.
19:16
<[GuS]>
ahh... ok
19:16
<LuizAngioletti>
what type, where are the bottlenecks
19:16
things like that.
19:16
Want to give any advice?
19:17
<alkisg>
Bottlenecks = server cpu, network bandwidth, client cpu, client graphics card performance, server RAM...
19:18
LDM_DIRECTX helps a lot, especially with older or many clients
19:18
And fat clients completely change the loads
19:18
The server CPU and RAM aren't really relevant anymore
19:19
<LuizAngioletti>
alkisg: Do you have any papers on that?
19:19
<alkisg>
many, in greek :)
19:19
<LuizAngioletti>
alkisg: I'm looking for things like those to read.
19:19
alkisg: none in english/german/french/portuguese?
19:19
<alkisg>
We've evaluated ltsp some years ago before switching to it
19:19
I've seen some in english and spanish, but I don't have any links handy
19:20
<LuizAngioletti>
I couldn't find anything...
19:29
alkisg: do you remember their titles?
19:29
(or any part of it?)
19:29
<alkisg>
No, not at all. I only remember a cost of ownership paper by fraunhofer
19:30
<LuizAngioletti>
alkisg: that's something. =)
19:30
<alkisg>
Ah and I think that the spanish one was for extramadura...
19:30
<LuizAngioletti>
thx.
19:32
<alkisg>
LuizAngioletti: I think that's the TCO one by fraunhofer, it speaks in general about thin clients, not ltsp-specific: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcc-asp.fraunhofer.de%2Fdocs%2FPCvsTC-en.pdf&ei=9HxOT5a-IaS80QWPwOmeBQ&usg=AFQjCNHpNNpNliBJquL_nxMxL5haD58KeQ
19:33
<LuizAngioletti>
sweet.
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<LuizAngioletti>
Maybe stupid question: some problems are inherent to all the thinclients setups, other just specific to LTSP implementation, right?
19:39
Who knows which are which?
19:40
<alkisg>
You need to make a long list of the problems first, before asking which are which :)
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<LuizAngioletti>
Ok.. but before that I need an alternative to LTSP. =)
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<knipwim>
[GuS]: missing kernel driver?
19:50
<[GuS]>
knipwim: dont know, i will install it from 0... besides is very outdated.. and i dont want to deal with this situations in gentoo :P
19:50
knipwim: and no, the driver was loading fine, since with ifconfig i can set the net
19:51
weird.
19:51
But i guess something with the RC, since the baselayout was updated cause a problem with the devpts
19:52
which was an existing bug in 1.12.x
19:55
time to go home. Cya!
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19:56
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, any idea about my earlier messages? :)
19:56
<alkisg>
Hey, did you see my calculations about hd video?
19:57
Hyperbyte: 1920x1080x32(bits per pixel)x25(frames per second) = 1.658.880.000, i.e. 1.6 Gbps. I.e. switch to using a localapps firefox for HD video.
19:57
<Hyperbyte>
Hi, yeah, I did
19:57
I'm just curious why Xorg CPU usage is the limit, and not the bandwith
19:57
<alkisg>
That's due to how flash draw the screen
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
Ah. So with a 'real' video player, it'd perform better?
19:58
<alkisg>
It doesn't use xvputimage or other appropriate methods for video
19:58
Yes, from 100% cpu down to 5%
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
I mean, I'm not actually trying to watch HD video via LTSP
19:58
It's just that whenever I watch YouTube fullscreen it starts lagging incredibly, and I was curious why.
19:58
<alkisg>
!flash
19:58
<ltsp>
alkisg: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
19:58
<Hyperbyte>
I figured it'd be bandwith, but ruled that out pretty quick.
19:59
<alkisg>
E.g. that would drop your cpu usage a lot, and even the bandwidth too
19:59
As xv needs much less bandwidth than other video
19:59
<Hyperbyte>
Yeah, I was thinking of getting a dedicated YouTube player.
19:59
But it's not that important really.
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<jhutchins_>
Any known issues upgrading lenny to squeeze?
21:23
<vagrantc>
for ltsp specifically?
21:24* vagrantc still needs to finish some lenny -> squeeze ltsp upgrades
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<vagrantc>
jhutchins_: there were major changes in X.org, namely the switch to kernel mode setting
21:25
jhutchins_: that could likely affect ltsp...
21:26
probably other similar issues...
21:28
<jhutchins_>
Hrmn. Got a pretty busy weekend, perhaps best avoided.
21:28
Never did get local USB working properly.
21:28
User can read/write but can't unmount.
21:32
<vagrantc>
unmounting happens after 2 seconds of inactivity
21:32
that's a user-interface issue with the design
21:34
i've been running lenny with ltsp backports for quite some time, and really need to switch over to squeeze asap
21:35
and then work on squeeze backports of ltsp 5.3... whee
21:35
5.3 is the biggest change in probably 5-6 years for debian's ltsp...
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<knipwim>
thx
22:04
wrong window
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22:13
<Hyperbyte>
knipwim, you're welcome
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23:05
<highvoltage>
stgraber: I thought that there was a wiki page for migrating grom pycentral to python-support (that is the right one, right?) but I can't find it, do you happen to know what I'm looking for and where to find it?
23:06
<stgraber>
highvoltage: to dh_python2
23:06
highvoltage: both pycentral and pysupport are deprecated
23:06
<highvoltage>
ok
23:07
<stgraber>
highvoltage: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2
23:07
<highvoltage>
I guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python is a bit outdated then (it still gives instructions for python-support)
23:08
ah yes, that's the one I was thinking of (I've been searching the ubuntu wiki)
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