IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.libera.chat (webchat)
Channel log from 29 February 2012 (all times are UTC)
| 00:51 | * hughessd waves at vagrantc | |
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| 01:24 | <hughessd> hey, vagrant, in one of our previous conversation you'd mentioned the thinClient's logs as a resource for troubleshooting video problems. Do you know know which logs would be most relevant? I've already found an error about "[drm:drm_mode_getfb] *ERROR* invalid framebuffer id" .... does that error message mean anything to you?
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| 01:52 | <vagrantc> hughessd: not off the top of my head
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| 01:52 | hughessd: you're on ubuntu?
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| 01:57 | <hughessd> hey vagrant, sorry bout that, had to take a call.
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| 01:58 | yes ubuntu 10.04
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| 01:58 | bc its LTS
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| 02:08 | found this though: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/800140
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| 02:13 | <vagrantc> hughessd: gotta run, but hopefully some of the ubuntu ltsp folks can help ya further
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| 02:20 | <hughessd> sure, thanks vagrant. me too...
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| 02:35 | hm, seems to be an ubuntu error, not ltsp. grr
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| 12:48 | * [GuS] Morning! | |
| 12:49 | <andygraybeal_> mornining :)))
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| 12:50 | <elias_a> Afternoon! :)
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| 12:52 | <[GuS]> lol
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| 12:54 | <andygraybeal_> [GuS], ah your in #bacula too :) very nice
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| 12:54 | <[GuS]> andygraybeal_: yeah :P
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| 12:54 | I've implemented that in my work.
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| 12:54 | <andygraybeal_> yea, me too
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| 12:54 | i <3 it
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| 12:55 | <[GuS]> Haha yeah... i just hated at the beginning, now is great.
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| 12:56 | <[GuS]> knipwim: morning, now i have new problems... lol... LTSP will get me an older man :P
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| 13:06 | <andygraybeal_> [GuS], yea, i had the same probs.. it was very hard for me to learn
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| 13:06 | [GuS], bacula that is.
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| 13:06 | <[GuS]> andygraybeal_: yeah. I've become almost expert on it later :P
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| 13:06 | <andygraybeal_> [GuS], now i'm trying to learn how to ldap auth with alfresco.. omg omg omg omg.. i'm gonna go friggen bald
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| 13:06 | <[GuS]> haha
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| 13:06 | ;)
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| 13:09 | <andygraybeal_> all in good time :)
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| 13:09 | even though it's very frustrating and the people in my workplace might think i am wasting tons of time.
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| 13:09 | generally they are understanding though
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| 13:10 | i feel bad a lot though
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| 13:16 | <[GuS]> :S
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| 13:17 | At the beginning is kind hard Bacula, but the you realize how powerfull is.
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| 13:17 | brb
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| 13:23 | <mgariepy> good morning everyone
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| 13:25 | <highvoltage> good morning
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| 13:32 | <knipwim> [GuS]: still at work here
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| 13:32 | but tell me, what are the problems?
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| 13:33 | <[GuS]> And error, but in stage installation part. let me log i...
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| 13:33 | in*
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| 13:36 | And i think yesterday i've found abug report of this, something about that an app was not finding pythond installation or so.
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| 13:48 | <Hyperbyte> mhm... when I watch a YouTube video fullscreen, the video starts lagging greatly... maybe 2fps per second
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| 13:48 | I've found the bottleneck is the Xorg on the client, which is eating processor mhz's like candy
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| 13:49 | Is there any way to remedy this? Bring the CPU usage down?
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: thin client, with directx=true?
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| 13:49 | <Hyperbyte> LDM_DIRECTX="True"
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| 13:49 | <alkisg> Which graphics card and driver? on localxterm, lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
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| 13:50 | <Hyperbyte> 1920x1080 resolution though
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Eeeeh full screen HD video without xv on thin client?!
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| 13:50 | Do you know how much bandwidth that takes?
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| 13:50 | <Hyperbyte> Bandwith isn't bottleneck
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| 13:50 | But yeah, around 120mbit/sec
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> Nope
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| 13:50 | Count again
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| 13:50 | <Hyperbyte> I measured.
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| 13:50 | <alkisg> That's limited by your fps
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> Oh
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> Measure the unlimited one
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, that makes sense.
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| 13:51 | <alkisg> brb
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| 13:51 | <Hyperbyte> Still, iptraf shows it's using around 120 mbit/sec
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| 13:51 | 'top' shows Xorg is eating > 85% CPU
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| 13:51 | Pulseaudio is eating the rest
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| 13:52 | SmallR2002_:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae] (rev 03)
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| 13:52 | Subsystem: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:27ae]
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| 13:52 | Kernel driver in use: i915
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| 13:53 | For now I'm running out of CPU on the client due to Xorg... I'll probably hit a bandwith limit later on as well, but for now I'm just curious if Xorg really needs that much CPU, and if it doesn't, how I can bring it down.
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| 14:12 | <[GuS]> knipwim: i think cause was using a binary package. So i've added EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--buildpkg" to the quickstart profile in pre_install_portage.
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| 14:33 | <knipwim> [GuS]: buildpkg: "Tells emerge to build binary packages for all ebuilds processed..."
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| 14:33 | in ltsp-server-5.3 these settings are set in /var/lib/layman/ltsp/profiles/ltsp/make.defaults
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| 14:34 | <[GuS]> knipwim: Ah ok, i just used that in 5.2 to not use binary packages.
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| 14:35 | <alkisg> Hyperbyte: 1920x1080x32(bits per pixel)x25(frames per second) = 1.658.880.000, i.e. 1.6 Gbps. I.e. switch to using a localapps firefox for HD video.
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| 14:35 | <[GuS]> knipwim: where is documented all the changes in ltsp gentoo?
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| 14:35 | Cause is like impossible to know in any other case...
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| 14:36 | Now i saw this, before was in the profile, in 5.2...
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| 14:39 | <knipwim> [GuS]: https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=177580#c176
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| 14:40 | <[GuS]> ok, i didnt saw that post
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| 14:40 | <knipwim> you can still use the quickstart profile to add settings
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| 14:40 | the quickstart settings will take precedence
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| 14:40 | <[GuS]> Yes, i saw that with the recent chance.
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| 14:41 | <knipwim> i never mess with the settings, and just throw away the binary packages once in a while
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| 14:43 | <[GuS]> This is the second time i have problems when using binary packages :S
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| 14:43 | Now is building the packages..
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| 14:44 | <knipwim> yeah, i've not found a good way to deal with those
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| 14:44 | <[GuS]> Also, something that never works for me is ldm, even if i update the ssh keys...
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| 14:44 | i always use XDMCP...
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| 14:45 | Since most at all since in my work, not all users logins in the same server.
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| 14:45 | <stgraber> alkisg: ping
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| 14:45 | <alkisg> stgraber: pong
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| 14:45 | <stgraber> alkisg: we just discovered a pretty bad bug in 12.04 beta1 with LTSP's dmrc parsing
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| 14:46 | <alkisg> Ouch, what?
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| 14:46 | <stgraber> alkisg: for some reason, we're using TryExec instead of Exec when using the dmrc
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| 14:46 | alkisg: so we use /etc/X11/Xsession "unity" instead of /etc/X11/Xsession "gnome-session --session=ubuntu"
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| 14:46 | the first forces unity in 3D mode which doesn't quite work on a thin client
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> stgraber: wait, I had noticed that when I rewrote dmrc processing and I used Exec instead
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| 14:47 | <stgraber> the second goes through gnome-session and does the 3D check
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> I don't see tryexec at all at the current trunk
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| 14:47 | <stgraber> alkisg: ah right, current trunk is fine, Ubuntu isn't ;)
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| 14:47 | <alkisg> That's why I rewrote dmrc, it wasn't working at all :)
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| 14:48 | (it also had bigger problems than the tryexec part)
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| 14:48 | E.g. it didn't convert between "LDM_SESSION" and ".dmrc" format
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| 14:48 | where the first is a complete line, and the second is a .desktop file name
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> !ubuntu-2d
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| 14:50 | <ltsp> alkisg: ubuntu-2d: To select ubuntu-2d as your default session, put this line in your lts.conf: LDM_SESSION="gnome-session --session=ubuntu-2d"
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| 14:50 | <alkisg> stgraber: note that vagrantc argued that LDM_SESSION should be the complete line, not just "ubuntu-2d"
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| 14:51 | Because that was its original implementation, so I sticked to that
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| 14:52 | <stgraber> alkisg: right and all my code already uses the complete line, so that's fine
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| 14:52 | <alkisg> Nice, so we only need a syncing in Ubuntu beta, no big problem
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| 14:52 | <stgraber> sending the sync request now, probably won't make it for beta 1 unless we have another reason to rebuild the world
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| 14:53 | <alkisg> stgraber: I'm planning on releasing a new (bugfixing) epoptes version today or tomorrow, if vagrantc uploads it to debian soon, when can I sync it with Ubuntu without causing any schedule problems?
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> alkisg: very late on Thursday or otherwise on Friday
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Thank you :)
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| 14:54 | <stgraber> alkisg: you can look at the topic of #ubuntu-devel, it usually says if the archive is frozen
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| 14:54 | <alkisg> Gotcha
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| 15:07 | <naptastic> unfortunately, I can't stick around long. But how does LTSP deal with udev rules binding ethernet interfaces to new names for every client?
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| 15:08 | I've got several hundred clients with 3 nics each, and want them to always be eth0 - 2, but /etc/udev/rules.d/70persistent-net is shared between the boxes so I'm not sure how to make that happen.
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> naptastic: eth0 to 2 is what you'll get by default
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| 15:17 | If you don't use persistence
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| 15:17 | <naptastic> alkisg, do you happen to know how to disable persistence? :-) Because right now they are persisting.
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| 15:17 | <alkisg> naptastic: so what names do you get?
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| 15:18 | Also, which distro/version?
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| 15:19 | <naptastic> alkisg, Debian Squeeze, and as more clients turn on, the names just get bigger, eth12, eth42, etc
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| 15:19 | <alkisg> Errr that's surely not by default, you probably did something there
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| 15:20 | <alkisg> You don't have a RW nfs export, do you?
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| 15:21 | <naptastic> I'm pretty sure it is rw
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| 15:22 | <naptastic> Is it supposed to be, like, ro except for /home or something?
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| 15:23 | I'm gonna lurk here, but I gotta go to work. Thanks for the help!
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| 15:23 | <naptastic> awww
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| 15:24 | <alkisg> naptastic: I'm pretty sure it needs to be RO instead of RW
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| 15:25 | <alkisg> And it's possible that you'll get more problems other than the persistent names, now that you've booted a client with it RW
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| 16:20 | <[GuS]> Ufff.. ltsp clients finally created.
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| 16:45 | <[GuS]> knipwim: i have a interesting tftp bug :P
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| 16:46 | Gentoo does not love at all :( http://pastebin.com/ApKVNAp4
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| 16:50 | i will try with atftp..
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| 17:04 | Ok, atftp works
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| 17:13 | ufff, LTSP clients boots :D
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| 17:14 | <xsl> if i have a CDRW on the LTSP server - is possible for the clients to burn CDS right?
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| 17:26 | <LuizAngioletti> howdy!
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| 17:28 | <LuizAngioletti> guys... here is the deal. I have a virtual environment with VBox: 1 server, 1 client. The server is Ubuntu 10.04 and has Vbox guest additions installed (so I can comfortably resize my screen). The client isn't that lucky, but when I try to install the vbox-guest-additions, I get the message it's already installed. How to make it recognize the guest-additions?
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| 17:34 | <LuizAngioletti> Google wasn't much of a help. =/
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| 17:36 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: i think should be installed in the chroot.
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| 17:36 | <LuizAngioletti> [GuS]: Ok. That's something I don't understand exactly. What is and where is located the chroot?
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| 17:37 | [GuS]: Because... The server has it installed, and it works.
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| 17:37 | <[GuS]> chroot contains the image of LTSP client that loads when the workstation boot.
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| 17:37 | In Ubuntu, i dont know where it is. I just have experience with LTSP in gentoo
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| 17:37 | But should be inside /opt for sure
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| 17:38 | <LuizAngioletti> either way... how would you do it?
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| 17:38 | <[GuS]> Just dig in the LTSP wiki, iirc it explain about the chroot
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| 17:38 | <LuizAngioletti> ok. =)
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| 17:38 | <[GuS]> LTSP wiki of ubuntu i mean
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| 17:39 | <knipwim> [GuS]: yeah, that was the bug i mailed you about a while ago
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| 17:39 | <[GuS]> knipwim: well, atfp works so is ok. LTSP client is done :)
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| 17:40 | Always a long road :P
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| 17:40 | <knipwim> cool
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| 17:40 | <LuizAngioletti> [GuS]: If anyone asks again, I think this will be a good reference: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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| 17:40 | <knipwim> i'll file a bug for the tftp issue
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| 17:40 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: yes, i was looking into that.
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| 17:41 | LuizAngioletti: i knew was there around :)
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| 17:41 | <LuizAngioletti> Thx again. =)
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| 17:41 | <[GuS]> No problem.
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| 17:42 | LuizAngioletti: the most important is to mount proc and sys, and later you can chroot
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| 17:42 | Inside there, just install what you need like a normal machine.
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| 17:42 | <LuizAngioletti> Like I do when installing Gentoo?
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| 17:43 | My client has proc and sys mounted already.
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| 17:43 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: you have there another ubuntu environment, so
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| 17:43 | <LuizAngioletti> I'm talking to you through it.
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| 17:43 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: you dont have to install it under your started client
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| 17:44 | Since if the server itself what you see there.
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| 17:44 | Is why its tells you that already exist
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| 17:44 | <LuizAngioletti> Ok. That's where I mix things up.
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| 17:44 | <[GuS]> from there server, where LTSP server is, you must chroot into the LTSP env. and install it there.
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| 17:44 | Yep
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| 17:45 | <LuizAngioletti> So.. LTSP client actually runs on server software, right? It is as if the /usr is network mounted.
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| 17:45 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: yes. Only runs local apps (LTSP chroot) if you specified it in the lts.conf
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| 17:45 | <LuizAngioletti> But I have to load an image with software of it's own?
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| 17:46 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: I don't understand your question...
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| 17:46 | <LuizAngioletti> [GuS]: Please, try to make it simpler. I've read the LTSP documentation, and now I'm trying to get my hands dirty.
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| 17:46 | <knipwim> [GuS]: btw. you know the ltsp-chroot command?
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| 17:46 | <LuizAngioletti> The thing I make mess about...
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| 17:46 | Is:
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| 17:47 | I've a server running. Ok. It is a LTSP server. I get it. Then, I start the diskless client, which in turn asks the server for a kernel image to boot.
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| 17:47 | after it's booted, isn't it running server software? Like.. If I install something on the server, isn't it available to the client?
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| 17:48 | [GuS]: ?
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| 17:49 | <knipwim> LuizAngioletti: yes
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| 17:49 | software installed on the server is available on the client
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| 17:49 | because you log in to the server from the client
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| 17:49 | <LuizAngioletti> but then, why isn't the guest-additions available at the client?
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| 17:50 | <knipwim> the client only runs the system to allow a login screen and logging in on the server
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| 17:50 | <[GuS]> Sorry, i was off my notebook
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| 17:50 | <knipwim> guest-additions?
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| 17:50 | <[GuS]> knipwim: is a driver from virtualbox
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| 17:51 | LuizAngioletti: drivers and suck must be installed in the chroot from ltsp
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| 17:52 | <LuizAngioletti> [GuS]: I think I understood it. Seeing the directory tree under /opt/ltsp... I got what you meant.
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| 17:52 | I chrooted to the ltsp tree and am now performing updates.
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| 17:53 | <knipwim> [GuS]: btw. you know the ltsp-chroot command? it chroots into the specified ltsp-chroot, also mounting package dirs, proc and dev
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| 17:53 | also recently added to the gentoo package
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| 17:54 | <[GuS]> knipwim: i didnt know, i just did a script for thart
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| 17:54 | that*
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| 17:54 | <knipwim> same here
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| 17:54 | but no longer!
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| 17:54 | <[GuS]> haha nice
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| 17:54 | <LuizAngioletti> Folks, thx a lot.
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| 17:54 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: yes
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| 17:54 | <LuizAngioletti> I'll reboot and check if it worked. =)
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| 17:54 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: ok
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| 17:55 | * [GuS] thanks to LTSP in gentoo i am becoming an expert :P | |
| 17:55 | <knipwim> hehe
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| 17:56 | if you any suggestions for improvement, let me know
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| 17:56 | <[GuS]> knipwim: Ok!
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| 18:01 | <knipwim> [GuS]: and as for information needs, i'll try to update the gentoo bug page when something major changes
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| 18:01 | also you could register to wiki.gentoo.org and add the LTSP page to your watchlist
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| 18:02 | <[GuS]> Perfect, i will for sure
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| 18:02 | Also i have a own wiki in the Trac of my work, maybe i could put everything i see into that gentoo wiki
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| 18:03 | <knipwim> cool, probably a lot of tips, tricks and troubleshooting
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| 18:04 | <[GuS]> =)
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| 18:06 | "What is the name of the Gentoo mascot" lol
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| 18:07 | <LuizAngioletti> There and back again. =)
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| 18:08 | It worked, but not quite.
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| 18:08 | I have a much larger screen resolution on the client, but I don't have the "Auto resize" option enabled.
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| 18:09 | <[GuS]> Mmm
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| 18:09 | Well, is a start :P
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| 18:10 | <LuizAngioletti> yep
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| 18:10 | I'll settle for now. =)
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| 18:11 | It's not my priority at the moment.
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| 18:11 | <[GuS]> knipwim: ok, created my account in Gentoo wiki :D
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| 18:12 | <knipwim> and? added the LTSP page to your watchlist?
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| 18:14 | <[GuS]> I am looking for my what list :P
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| 18:14 | Ahh there, was in spanish :P
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| 18:15 | knipwim: i just add http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/LTSP ?
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| 18:18 | Ok, added
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| 18:24 | <LuizAngioletti> Is flash (like youtube) lagged in your experience?
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| 18:24 | or is it my setup which is faulty?
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| 18:25 | [GuS]: ?
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| 18:25 | knipwim: ?
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| 18:25 | <knipwim> !directx
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| 18:25 | <ltsp> knipwim: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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| 18:26 | <LuizAngioletti> knipwim: I've disabled it... oh no. Wait. I'm testing with it. =P
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| 18:26 | Is it that dramatic the difference?
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| 18:30 | <knipwim> don't know about "dramatic" but the difference is noticable
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| 18:30 | <highvoltage> it makes a big difference and even a bigger difference if you have older thin clients or many users
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| 18:31 | but you do trade off a lot of security for it (user keystrokes / displays travel over the network unencrypted)
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| 18:32 | <LuizAngioletti> highvoltage: yeah...
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| 18:32 | I don't think it will be an issue in my situation...
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| 18:33 | <asmok> highvoltage, hi, any news ;-)
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| 18:38 | <[GuS]> knipwim: btw, thanks to me in my company we use LTSP5... before i've start to work here, they where using LTSP4 :S
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| 18:38 | knipwim: nobody wanted to put hands on the new ltsp :P
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| 18:40 | <knipwim> nice job then
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| 18:41 | <knipwim> you're certainly the expert in your company
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| 18:42 | <xsl> if i have a CDRW on the LTSP server - is possible for the clients to burn CDS right?
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| 18:42 | <knipwim> xsl yes
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| 18:43 | <xsl> tyvm
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| 18:45 | <LuizAngioletti> Does the thinclient network interface need to be in promiscuous mode?
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| 19:06 | <LuizAngioletti> \me wonders how is it that he can contribute to the project...
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| 19:06 | Oops.
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| 19:06 | =P
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| 19:07 | \me
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| 19:07 | how can I do that?
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| 19:07 | =P
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| 19:09 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: the \ is for using to much Window$ :P
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| 19:10 | <LuizAngioletti> I wouldn't say that... =P How can I post a message like those: * [GuS] says... =P
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| 19:11 | * [GuS] by using the right slash :P | |
| 19:12 | <LuizAngioletti> Há!
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| 19:12 | * LuizAngioletti says hello to [GuS] the right way | |
| 19:12 | * LuizAngioletti thanks you very much. | |
| 19:12 | <[GuS]> :D
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| 19:13 | * LuizAngioletti has no more ego, there for speaks only on third person. | |
| 19:13 | <[GuS]> lol
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| 19:14 | <LuizAngioletti> I've mentioned here a few weeks ago that I'd write a cientific paper on LTSP lod.
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| 19:14 | *load
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| 19:14 | <[GuS]> knipwim: off-topic: what can be that the service net.lo and any related to netcard (like net.eth0) does not start? and non error in logs?
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| 19:14 | Is a old server i have here..
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| 19:14 | <LuizAngioletti> I'm starting the load tests today. =) Yey!
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| 19:15 | <[GuS]> LuizAngioletti: /
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| 19:15 | ?
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| 19:15 | <LuizAngioletti> [GuS]: What?
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| 19:15 | <[GuS]> "load tests"
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| 19:15 | <LuizAngioletti> how much workload can the server take.
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| 19:16 | <[GuS]> ahh... ok
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| 19:16 | <LuizAngioletti> what type, where are the bottlenecks
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| 19:16 | things like that.
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| 19:16 | Want to give any advice?
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| 19:17 | <alkisg> Bottlenecks = server cpu, network bandwidth, client cpu, client graphics card performance, server RAM...
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| 19:18 | LDM_DIRECTX helps a lot, especially with older or many clients
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| 19:18 | And fat clients completely change the loads
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| 19:18 | The server CPU and RAM aren't really relevant anymore
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| 19:19 | <LuizAngioletti> alkisg: Do you have any papers on that?
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> many, in greek :)
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| 19:19 | <LuizAngioletti> alkisg: I'm looking for things like those to read.
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| 19:19 | alkisg: none in english/german/french/portuguese?
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| 19:19 | <alkisg> We've evaluated ltsp some years ago before switching to it
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| 19:19 | I've seen some in english and spanish, but I don't have any links handy
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| 19:20 | <LuizAngioletti> I couldn't find anything...
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| 19:29 | alkisg: do you remember their titles?
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| 19:29 | (or any part of it?)
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| 19:29 | <alkisg> No, not at all. I only remember a cost of ownership paper by fraunhofer
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| 19:30 | <LuizAngioletti> alkisg: that's something. =)
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| 19:30 | <alkisg> Ah and I think that the spanish one was for extramadura...
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| 19:30 | <LuizAngioletti> thx.
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| 19:32 | <alkisg> LuizAngioletti: I think that's the TCO one by fraunhofer, it speaks in general about thin clients, not ltsp-specific: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDkQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcc-asp.fraunhofer.de%2Fdocs%2FPCvsTC-en.pdf&ei=9HxOT5a-IaS80QWPwOmeBQ&usg=AFQjCNHpNNpNliBJquL_nxMxL5haD58KeQ
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| 19:33 | <LuizAngioletti> sweet.
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| 19:39 | <LuizAngioletti> Maybe stupid question: some problems are inherent to all the thinclients setups, other just specific to LTSP implementation, right?
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| 19:39 | Who knows which are which?
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| 19:40 | <alkisg> You need to make a long list of the problems first, before asking which are which :)
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| 19:41 | <LuizAngioletti> Ok.. but before that I need an alternative to LTSP. =)
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| 19:49 | <knipwim> [GuS]: missing kernel driver?
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| 19:50 | <[GuS]> knipwim: dont know, i will install it from 0... besides is very outdated.. and i dont want to deal with this situations in gentoo :P
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| 19:50 | knipwim: and no, the driver was loading fine, since with ifconfig i can set the net
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| 19:51 | weird.
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| 19:51 | But i guess something with the RC, since the baselayout was updated cause a problem with the devpts
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| 19:52 | which was an existing bug in 1.12.x
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| 19:55 | time to go home. Cya!
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| 19:56 | <Hyperbyte> alkisg, any idea about my earlier messages? :)
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| 19:56 | <alkisg> Hey, did you see my calculations about hd video?
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| 19:57 | Hyperbyte: 1920x1080x32(bits per pixel)x25(frames per second) = 1.658.880.000, i.e. 1.6 Gbps. I.e. switch to using a localapps firefox for HD video.
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| 19:57 | <Hyperbyte> Hi, yeah, I did
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| 19:57 | I'm just curious why Xorg CPU usage is the limit, and not the bandwith
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| 19:57 | <alkisg> That's due to how flash draw the screen
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> Ah. So with a 'real' video player, it'd perform better?
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> It doesn't use xvputimage or other appropriate methods for video
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| 19:58 | Yes, from 100% cpu down to 5%
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> I mean, I'm not actually trying to watch HD video via LTSP
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| 19:58 | It's just that whenever I watch YouTube fullscreen it starts lagging incredibly, and I was curious why.
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| 19:58 | <alkisg> !flash
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| 19:58 | <ltsp> alkisg: flash: Yes, flash sucks. Make sure you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file, or if it's just youtube you're after, try some flash replacing plugin like https://addons.mozilla.org/el/firefox/addon/161869/ (per user installation, gecko-mediaplayer is also needed).
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| 19:58 | <Hyperbyte> I figured it'd be bandwith, but ruled that out pretty quick.
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| 19:59 | <alkisg> E.g. that would drop your cpu usage a lot, and even the bandwidth too
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| 19:59 | As xv needs much less bandwidth than other video
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| 19:59 | <Hyperbyte> Yeah, I was thinking of getting a dedicated YouTube player.
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| 19:59 | But it's not that important really.
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| 21:22 | <jhutchins_> Any known issues upgrading lenny to squeeze?
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| 21:23 | <vagrantc> for ltsp specifically?
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| 21:24 | * vagrantc still needs to finish some lenny -> squeeze ltsp upgrades | |
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| 21:25 | <vagrantc> jhutchins_: there were major changes in X.org, namely the switch to kernel mode setting
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| 21:25 | jhutchins_: that could likely affect ltsp...
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| 21:26 | probably other similar issues...
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| 21:28 | <jhutchins_> Hrmn. Got a pretty busy weekend, perhaps best avoided.
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| 21:28 | Never did get local USB working properly.
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| 21:28 | User can read/write but can't unmount.
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| 21:32 | <vagrantc> unmounting happens after 2 seconds of inactivity
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| 21:32 | that's a user-interface issue with the design
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| 21:34 | i've been running lenny with ltsp backports for quite some time, and really need to switch over to squeeze asap
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| 21:35 | and then work on squeeze backports of ltsp 5.3... whee
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| 21:35 | 5.3 is the biggest change in probably 5-6 years for debian's ltsp...
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| 22:04 | <knipwim> thx
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| 22:04 | wrong window
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| 22:13 | <Hyperbyte> knipwim, you're welcome
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| 23:05 | <highvoltage> stgraber: I thought that there was a wiki page for migrating grom pycentral to python-support (that is the right one, right?) but I can't find it, do you happen to know what I'm looking for and where to find it?
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| 23:06 | <stgraber> highvoltage: to dh_python2
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| 23:06 | highvoltage: both pycentral and pysupport are deprecated
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| 23:06 | <highvoltage> ok
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| 23:07 | <stgraber> highvoltage: http://wiki.debian.org/Python/TransitionToDHPython2
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| 23:07 | <highvoltage> I guess https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Python is a bit outdated then (it still gives instructions for python-support)
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| 23:08 | ah yes, that's the one I was thinking of (I've been searching the ubuntu wiki)
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