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Channel log from 13 March 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<agike>
Which pkg's are required for LTSP - Debian Etch ?
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Will ltsp-server & ltsp-client suffice ?
00:24
Err .. ltsp5
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Hmm .. it seems to be ltsp-server .. or ltsp-server-standalone
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I'll go with the latter. Cheers, and thanks for listening.
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<_EXP>
Hi all. I have a acer 4051 laptop as a thin client. I have managed to get the external display to work, but how I can change between displays Fn+F5 crashes the client
05:36
in lts.conf i have configured a custom xf86config, in that file i can change what display is visible, but i can´t clone them or change display "on the run"
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any ideas?
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<envite>
Hello all from Spain!
07:05
¡Hola a todos desde España!
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<envite>
hello cliebow
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<cliebow>
envite:!!!!!!!!
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
buenos dias...
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good morning
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Gadi: r u there?
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.
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<envite>
buenos días sh3mh4mf0r4sh
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<EversonCaratti>
hi!
08:00
as to cancel printer jobs in cups/ltsp ?
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<envite>
connect to http://printserver:631
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<EversonCaratti>
envite, I tried to delete in cups or killing the processes but no he stops to print.
08:02
envite, I tried in localhost:631 in server !
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<envite>
is the print connected to server?
08:03
s/print/printer
08:03
<EversonCaratti>
envite, ltsp server and cups server into same machine !
08:03
<envite>
i didn't ask for the print server but for the printer itself, physically
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
Gadi: send me alert when u stay in front a PC , need to talk to you
08:23
<EversonCaratti>
envite, the trinter itself is in terminal !
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<EversonCaratti>
envite, ops, the printer...
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<envite>
ok
08:25
try to connect to cups of the terminal
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terminal:631
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<EversonCaratti>
envite, ok, a moment please
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
if i share /opt/ltsp-4.2 with /opt/ltsp/debian_etch_i386/ and change the dhcp root-path with new kernel generated with script of version 5 i can reboot the client and have ltsp-5 ??? untouching 4.2???
08:36
and not create again the clients... with they preferences again?
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<EversonCaratti>
envite, I tested for the terminal but he gave the same resulted of the server!
08:47
where they are the works in spool in ltsp?
08:47
works = printer jobs
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<envite>
the part of the job already sent to printer can not be cancelled
08:49
maybe that's the problem
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<EversonCaratti>
envite, no, this is canceled restarting printer ! but have many pages sended To printer
08:54
envite, the configuration in lts.conf uses socket://terminal:9100 to print, some times I tried to kill the process of socket but it reappears and continues printing!
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<cliebow__>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh, you can run six different versions..ppc i386 4.2 whatever..as ong as you provide the right kernel and root-path
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<cliebow__>
the fine points like localdevsa re another story
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
cliebow__: and i'm not create again the clients customs details whe client is logged?
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<EversonCaratti>
nobody has problems to cancel printer jobs of printers connects to the ltsp terminals using cups?
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<prpplague>
EversonCaratti: do you have the same problem if you print then cancel a job directly on the server?
09:14
<EversonCaratti>
prpplague, no, in server is fine !
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<cliebow__>
any server details remain he same
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<mrchicken>
hello again
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
mrchicken: saludos socio
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<mrchicken>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh... como vas>
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
ahi
10:10
aprendiendo cada dia mas que se menos :)
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<mrchicken>
hehehehehehehe, yo ya pase por esas y acepte mi condicion de redomado ignorante
10:11
I have a stupid issue now... whenever I type anything in my diskless client I get 10 letters
10:11
where can I specify the typematic rate?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
mrchicken: your 5 version run fine now?
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<mrchicken>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh ... I'm using 4.2 :P 5 never worked for me
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
mrchicken: to me works fine.. just left me know if my medias storages work ok in the localdev
10:13
i try to upgrade the navigation room in the noon to test
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<mrchicken>
Sorry
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my computer wants tod ie on me
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:/(
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anyway...
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I was crying for somebody to help me out with the keyboard issue
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every letter I type gets written like 10 times
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<mrchicken>
damned thing
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<mrchicken>
ok so can anybody give me a hand with my problem?
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please?
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<mrchicken>
how can I control the kb rate of repeat rate
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<mrchicken>
hello??
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
jammcq: hey
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<mrchicken>
I'm trying to login via my workstation (with an AT keyboard) however every letter I type gets repeated like 1000000 times
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
mrchicken: is the mb old?
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<mrchicken>
yes
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its a SIS530 mb
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
so I know whats happening
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add the lines to the dhcp
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option option-128 e4:45:74:68:00:00; and option option-129 "acpi=off";
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<mrchicken>
umm I'm using pxelinux
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su I suppose I should write that in pxe.conf
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
do u know the model of the mb?
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it's to put on dhcp server
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<mrchicken>
ummm I do I believe its an LMRT 555 or something
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
right... the same problem in another place of the world
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lo
11:58
l
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<mrchicken>
brb lemme test
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
mrchicken: so..
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<envite>
Hey guys
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can somebody help me with my tftp?
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
what's up
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not work
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<envite>
works
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but does not serve the file
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
did u check filename in the dhcpd.conf?
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<envite>
that's ok
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
i have this -> filename "/ltsp/i386/vmlinuz-2.6.18-4-486";
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<envite>
I'm actually trying with a tftp client in another PC
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and all that I get is Transfer timed out
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tftp> get /lts/2.6.9-ltsp-3/pxelinux.0
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Transfer timed out.
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
have this in inet.conf?
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tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
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<envite>
actually
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tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd in.tftpd -v -v -v -u root -s /tftpboot
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
is tftpd ?
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<envite>
hpa
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
uhm
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same here tftpd-hpa
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netstat -ap | grep tftp?
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<envite>
# netstat -ap|grep tftp
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warning, got bogus unix line.
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udp 0 0 *:tftp *:* 10943/inetd
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switched to: tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -r blksize -s /tftpboot
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and the same
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<Gadi>
could be your switch - try with a crossover cable
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
and without -r blksize?
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<Gadi>
indeed
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
yes. try with gadi said
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<Gadi>
and what sh3mh4mf0r4sh said ;)
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
hehehe
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<envite>
Gadi: I have no problems between these two PC
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<Gadi>
your switch may be blocking the udp packets
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some switches have quirky things
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where they will block some types of packets
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<envite>
I think that is not the case, because when I request a nonexistent file, I receive the adequate answer
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but I will try to know with tcpdump
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just to be surer
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<Gadi>
hmm... then, it could indeed be timeout issues
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which may also be switch related
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is it a crappy switch?
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<envite>
I do not know which switch it is, I'm remotely connected to the two PC
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but I can ssh without problems from one PC to the other
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<mrchicken>
kaminski-ltsp-br THANKS!!!
12:24
it worked!11
12:24
How did you come across that??
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
mrchicken: felicidades chama
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<Gadi>
envite: ssh is over tcp, not udp
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<envite>
I know
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<Gadi>
have you ever had issues with this switch and ltsp?
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<envite>
don't know, it's first time
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<Gadi>
ah, ok
12:29
are you using the tftp-hpa client?
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as well as server?
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<envite>
yes
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<envite>
I see the RRQ udp packet in both tcpdumps
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<Gadi>
try placing a smaller dummy file in the tftproot dir and getting it
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<envite>
ok
12:32
it worked
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<Gadi>
hmm...
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one kind of network cards are they?
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10/100?
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<envite>
Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller (rev 02)
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<Gadi>
both the same?
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<envite>
they're twins
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<Gadi>
lol
12:35
can you run: mii-tool eth0
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<envite>
I'm using one twin as client to check the tftp server in the other
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eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD, link ok
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<mrchicken>
sh3mh4mf0r4sh... soy hombre
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<loca|host>
hello all
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<envite>
hello loca|host
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<loca|host>
am running ltsp4.2 debian
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my thin client can't access his floppy driver, cdrom, and pluggable usb sticks, i put in my lts.conf : HOTPLUG = Y LOCAL_DEVICE_02 = /dev/fd0:floppy LOCAL_DEVICE_01 = /dev/hdd:cdrom
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<envite>
Gadi, sh3mh4mf0r4sh: It seems that I receive 508 bytes of the pxelinux.0 file
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<loca|host>
like the docs said
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<envite>
it is a 11826 bytes file
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<Gadi>
envite: sounds like either the network driver is dying or the switch
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perhaps changing the blksize would help?
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not sure
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<envite>
how can I do that?
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<Gadi>
1 sec
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<bricode>
Gadi: You ever wrap up that kiosk lstp plugin script?
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<loca|host>
anyone ?
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<Gadi>
envite: http://docs.hp.com/en/B3921-90010/tftpd.1M.html
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play with values in that -r flag
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maybe that'll help it
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loca|host: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev
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make sure you follow the one for 4.2
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bricode: which one was that?
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<bricode>
Gadi: Dunno, but I've been tasked to do an LTSP e-mail garden with some other funk. Just wondered what resources were available to me.
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<Gadi>
heh, well, there are a plethora of LTSP's to choose from these days :)
12:45
will mostly depend on the funk
12:46
<kaminski-ltsp-br>
mrchicken: hey
12:46
mrchicken: about the sis 530 ... we tried a lot of things... lol...
12:46* bricode sings "Who's got the funk".
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<envite>
Gadi: no way
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
mrchicken: yo =
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<bricode>
Gadi: Well, the other funk involves stuff I've talked about previously. Mostly multi-media type stuff.
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<Gadi>
bricode: why not just use LTSP5 and run ur lil OS in the chroot?
12:53
that way u can market the desktop u put together
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<envite>
Gaid: I'v found one new error msg
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<mrchicken>
kaminski-ltsp-br ... have you been able to make the soundcard work?
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<loca|host>
Gadi, i've read that LocalDev wiki topic, i dont understand how to "Enable localdev on the Client"
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<Gadi>
http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42-LocalDev#Enabling_localdevice_on_the_clie
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er, click on enabling local device on the client
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<bricode>
Gadi: That's kinda what I'm thinking.
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<Gadi>
In your lts.conf file, either in the [Defaults] section, or on a per-workstation basis, adding the line: LOCAL_STORAGE = Y
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<cliebow__>
Gadi:is the "generic kernel" a 36 or 686 kernel
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<Gadi>
686
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<cliebow__>
cool..testing out linuxmint..seems kind of pokey for 256 meg ram
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<envite>
gadi: every thig I try, it is the same: I receive only the first 508 bytes of the asked-for file
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<AMSmith42>
!ubunutquick
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<ltspbot>
AMSmith42: Error: "ubunutquick" is not a valid command.
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<AMSmith42>
!ubuntuquickstart
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<ltspbot>
AMSmith42: Error: "ubuntuquickstart" is not a valid command.
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<AMSmith42>
!ubuntuquick
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<ltspbot>
AMSmith42: "ubuntuquick" is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
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<AMSmith42>
If I set up my LTS to rdesktop to a Windows TS, would I need to have them both set up for DHCP and have different IP ranges that each server has control over to guarantee no conflicts?
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<AMSmith42>
That is, if I boot my thin client from a Linux TS, the Linux server will give it an IP address. Then if I rdesktop from the Linux thin client to the Windows TS, won't the Windows server want to give the thin client an IP address as well?
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<Gadi>
AMSmith42: do you plan to rdesktop from the Linux desktop on the server or to setup a SCREEN_XX in lts.conf?
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<AMSmith42>
I was planning to rdesktop from the Linux desktop to the windows ts desktop.
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What is a screen_xx?
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I'm looking at dhcpd.conf. What is a broadcast address?
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<Gadi>
sorry - ph call
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when you rdesktop from ur linux desktop, you are going server to server
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if you connect as a screen script in lts.conf, you are going client to server
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so, connections from server to server will look to WTS as if they are all originating from the server IP
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connections from client to server will look like they are coming from individual client IPs
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<AMSmith42>
Wild. So I can basically trick Windows into thinking there is only one connection?
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<Gadi>
no
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it still has separate sessions
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just all originating from same client
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its as if you opened rdesktop several times from 1 PC
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<AMSmith42>
But it doesn't hand out an IP address for each of those...
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<Gadi>
WTS does not hand out IPs
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<AMSmith42>
OK
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Not even to clients?
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<Gadi>
nope
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<AMSmith42>
...
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So...much...to...learn
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How does it keep track of client connections? MAC?
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<Gadi>
hostname usually
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well, superficially hostname
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<AMSmith42>
OK
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<Gadi>
(like in the case of the interface)
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under the hood, it will assign a unique ID to each connections
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er, connection
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<AMSmith42>
I see. That makes sense.
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What is broadcast-address?
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<Gadi>
its the subnet's broadcast address (the IP address that corresponds to a broadcast on the subnet)
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<AMSmith42>
I guess I've never had to fiddle with that. Is there a nominal setting for it on 198.168.0.x 255.255.255.0?
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I don't understand what broadcast does.
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<Gadi>
there is a mandatory setting
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192.168.0.255
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<AMSmith42>
Thank you.
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<Gadi>
I know Google keeps hiding the TCP/IP manual somewhere ... I'll check under the couch ;)
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<AMSmith42>
lol
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<doederlie>
is there a way to say a client to mount another partition on an usb stick than the first one? (local dev with ltsp4.2)
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<Gadi>
doederlie: it would be in the udev rules on the client: /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/udev/rules.d/
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<doederlie>
ah okay, i see, there is a 10-ltsp-usb.rules, i have no clue so i will go and read some udev doc. Thanks!
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<sh3mh4mf0r4sh>
brb
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<mrchicken>
Hello
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one last silly question
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actually two :)
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<mrchicken>
which sound server would you recommend for old AC'97 soundcards?
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and ... if I have a USB printer how do I set it up?
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/dev/usb?
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<mrchicken>
Hello?
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Anybody?
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I know you;re hiding here...
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<mrchicken>
Can anybody help me set up a USB printer?
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connected to a client?
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<jammcq>
mrchicken: you need to spend more time searching the wiki
15:40
it's all there
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<Andy_CARP>
hi all, a conceptual issue: I've worked with LTSP doing dumb terminals that logged on linux server using telnet. Now if instead of boot a text worksation I boot an X workstation the processes I'll run, like RDP client for example, will run on the workstation hardware or hat only shows the screens generated by the application running at LTSP server?
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*hat=that workstations
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<mrchicken>
it is? I just read an article on howto install a LPT printer
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just saw it
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<pacho>
I have ltsp 4.2 on Slackware 11.0 ... I need to use local devices (USB stick) but I can't install 2.6.x kernel now ... what can I do ???
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<Andy_CARP>
please, give me a rope... where can I read about of LTSP operation theory, way it work, etc...?
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<zald>
www.ltsp.org
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mrchicken, http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Printers
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<Burgwork>
hmm
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no jim
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<mistik1>
Gadi: ping
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<cliebow_>
J45p3r:pong
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J45p3r, how about i bring the server up then take the old one back
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lamoine monday the 19th 2:30..from val
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airport upgrade
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look for you in the A.m then
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<J45p3r>
you got my email then?
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<cliebow_>
just now..
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gotta get it done..they ariflighted my bro to Boston..
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packing it in..beat..
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<J45p3r>
hope everything is ok, I'll see you in the am
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<Plouj>
where's the ltsp repository? http://www.ltsp.org/ltsp-4.1 is 404
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<vagrantc>
!download
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: Error: "download" is not a valid command.
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<vagrantc>
hmmm...
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<jammcq>
heh
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: learn download as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/DownLoads
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: The operation succeeded.
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<vagrantc>
Plouj: try that
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<Plouj>
k
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I'm not sure what I'm looking for
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<vagrantc>
Plouj: what do you want to accomplish?
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<Plouj>
run ltspadmin according to http://ltsp.mirrors.tds.net/pub/ltsp/docs/ltsp-4.1-en.html#AEN53
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section 2.2
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<vagrantc>
4.1 is obsoleted by 4.2
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but somewhat similar
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<Plouj>
what do you mean?
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<vagrantc>
4.2 is released.
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<Plouj>
yeah, and?
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oh, the documentation is for 4.1?
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<vagrantc>
most people capable of supporting 4.1 would rather spend time fiing problems with 4.2
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and then, of course, there's ltsp5 :)
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<Plouj>
well, I don't see any documentation for 4.2
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wait a second
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I went here: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Documentation then clicked on the English LTSP-4.1/4.2 HTML document
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what are you telling me?
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<vagrantc>
4.2 is probably similar enough to 4.1 that the documentation probably still should work.
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but i'm an ltsp5 developer, so i should probably stop commenting on ltsp 4.x
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<Plouj>
ok, now that we figured that out
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I really don't care about what version of ltsp I use
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as long as it's easy to install and it's documented
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I'm just trying to learn how to setup my own network booted system
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<vagrantc>
ltspbot: factoids search --values
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: 'ltsp', 'ubuntu', 'sbalneav', 'icewm', 'frappr', 'wiki', 'debian', 'edubuntu', 'dhcpd', 'greyscreen', 'grayscreen', 'ltsp42', 'localdev', 'checklist', 'muekow', 'bestltspdistro', 'serversize', 'serversizing', 'wireless', 'sound', 'topics', 'ubuntuquick', 'integration', 'lts.conf', 'pastebot', 'bootfloppy', 'ltsp5', 'tarball', and 'download'
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<vagrantc>
!ltsp42
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "ltsp42" is The latest version of LTSP is version 4.2. You can find out all information about it on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42
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<vagrantc>
Plouj: what linux distro are you using?
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<Plouj>
I've just installed debian 3.1 r8 I think
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<vagrantc>
jammcq: we should maybe mention the tarballs on http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/Ltsp5Status
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Plouj: would you be willing to upgrade to debian 4.0 pre-release?
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Plouj: as i've worked on integrated LTSP into debian
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<Plouj>
is pre-release = testing or = unstable?
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<vagrantc>
testing
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<Plouj>
sure
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<vagrantc>
currently frozen ... hopefully released sometime in the next couple months
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!debian
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<Plouj>
ok, so I'm updating debian etch
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<vagrantc>
nice :)
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22:58* vagrantc needs to prepare for an LTSP talk .... tomorrow! :)
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<vagrantc>
looks like my LTSP talk was approved for debconf7 ... hope i can make it :)
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<jammcq>
dude, that means flying on a plane again
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<vagrantc>
most likely.
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though i might try hitchhiking
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