IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 March 2016   (all times are UTC)

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<curiousguy>
Hello there! Can anyone tell me where can I read about hardware requirements, please?
05:34
per user %)
05:34
<maldridge>
curiousguy: that really depends on what you are wanting to do
05:35
but in general, you can run ltsp on very low end hardware as long as your server has sufficiently provisioned resources for the number of users you want
05:38
<curiousguy>
for example: i have 100 users that using libreoffice calc with not a big files
05:38
<maldridge>
hmm, that's more users than I have running on a single server, but is easily doable
05:38
what kind of hardware do you have for clients?
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<curiousguy>
standart PCs with core2duo
05:41
<maldridge>
RAM?
05:42
<curiousguy>
ok, i think i found it - http://wiki.ltsp.org/wiki/Installation#Server thanx =)
05:42
~1Gb
05:42
<maldridge>
curiousguy: you could probably do fat clients then, the performance would be excellent in that case
05:43
that's a very sparse guide, you may have better luck with this one
05:43
!ltsp-pnp
05:43
<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
05:44
<curiousguy>
Ok, thank you
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<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
06:48
<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) LDM_GUESTLOGIN=auto, or (#3) Support UEFI, or (#4) change /var/cache/ltsp to /run/ltsp, or (#5) support for per-user login commands in lts.conf
06:48
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo #2
06:48
<ltsp>
Error: There is no such factoid.
06:48
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo 2
06:48
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
06:53
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo #3
06:53
<ltsp>
Error: There is no such factoid.
06:53
<alkisg>
!forget alkisg-todo 3
06:53
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
06:53
<maldridge>
no UEFI for now?
06:53
<alkisg>
!alkisg-todo
06:53
<ltsp>
alkisg-todo: (#1) support xnbd-proxy for local caching: https://bitbucket.org/hirofuchi/xnbd/wiki/Home#!scenario-2-simple-proxy-server-distributed-copy-on-write, or (#2) Support UEFI, or (#3) support for per-user login commands in lts.conf
06:53
<alkisg>
It's still there :)
06:54
<maldridge>
oh, it reorders as you delete
07:11
<vsuojanen>
alkisg malridge talking to master of todo list
07:50* gehidore adds to the todo
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15:46
<Tiago_>
ltsp will receive an update soon?
15:46
I need to install ltsp in Ubuntu 14.04
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<maldridge>
Tiago_: ltsp is under development, but quality updates take time. It will be ready when its ready.
15:51
that being said, it should install inside ubuntu 14.04 without issue
15:54
are you running into issues?
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16:05
<alkisg_away>
Tiago_: ltsp is very up to date, it supports ubuntu 16.04 etc. But 14.04 won't recieve a newer LTSP unless people do an "SRU". So, to get a new ltsp on 14.04 you'll need the greek schools ppa
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16:05
<alkisg>
!greek_schools_ppa | echo Tiago_:
16:05
<ltsp>
Tiago_: greek_schools_ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ts.sch.gr/+archive/ppa/ supports LTS Ubuntu releases with newer LTSP versions, bug fixes etc
16:06
<maldridge>
does LTSP just not do SRUs?
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<alkisg>
Ubuntu as a distro doesn't allow new packages without some bureaucracy
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Some person needs to separate all the bugs from the new features and ask for a new ubuntu-specific release that only contains those fixes
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I, as an upstream LTSP developer finds this a duplicate effort and I refuse to do it, and welcome any ubuntu users that want to do that
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<maldridge>
understandable
16:08
this is largely why I have switched to rolling release model
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<alkisg>
So if no ubuntu user does that, 14.04 won't ever get a new LTSP
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<maldridge>
possibly less stable, but at least I'm not running 5 year old software
16:08
<alkisg>
That's what PPAs are for
16:09
That allows for stable software and selected newer software, which is the best of both worlds
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<maldridge>
I will dispute that from an operations standpoint
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<alkisg>
Because e.g. I wouldn't want a newer gnome there; I wouldn't be able to type in my native language, breaking everything
16:09
<maldridge>
it is more difficult to cache those, and it means my firewall needs more holes in it
16:09
newer gnome does not have functional localization?
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<alkisg>
Yes keyboard layout switching has been horribly broken
16:12
In about 5 places upstream in Gnome and another 10 places downstream in Ubuntu
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<||cw>
apt-cacher-ng caches ppa's just fine
16:13
<alkisg>
I don't understand how one repository can be cached (the ubuntu one) and another not (the ppa)
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<||cw>
and also allows only the apt-cacher-ng server to get internet access
16:14
simplifying the firewall
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<Tiago_>
thanks, I am installing an LTSP server in my work and I needed to know if there are going to be updates
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<alkisg>
Right, (1) through that PPA, or (2) if you request and do the steps for an Ubuntu SRU
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16:22
<alkisg>
stgraber: since edubuntu won't be shipping an 16.04 release, can we completely drop the ubuntu-ltsp diff from debian, so that we can then get newer LTSP versions to 16.04 with just syncpackage?
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17:03
<stgraber>
alkisg: yeah, that's fine
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<alkisg>
Thanks, will do that if I'm allowed to, in the next sync from Debian
17:05* alkisg wonders if he should request rights for per-package uploads for ltsp, now that edubuntu is gone...
17:05
<alkisg>
...or if the necessary rights are still in effect
17:07
<highvoltage>
alkisg: they're still in effect
17:07
alkisg: and would be useful if someone decides to pick up the project
17:08
<alkisg>
highvoltage: I was under the impression that there would be an 16.04 release, and was arranging to ask people and organizations to see if they want to help in picking it up after that
17:09
I.e. I was going to do that sometime in the summer, while edubuntu still had a release and users
17:09
Now the users will probably switch to something else until everything is arranged...
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<alkisg>
!ltsp-pnp
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<ltsp>
ltsp-pnp: ltsp-pnp is an alternative (upstream) method to maintain LTSP installations for thin and fat clients that doesn't involve chroots: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ltsp-pnp
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21:23
<maldridge>
!! is edubuntu dying?
21:23
<ltsp>
Error: "!" is not a valid command.
21:34
<||cw>
maldridge: that's what it appears
21:36
<maldridge>
that's too bad, it was a really good idea imho
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