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Channel log from 26 May 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<tekgnosis>
I'm having trouble finding the kernel source for 2.4.26-ltsp-2. I absoluately cannot change this ancient version but need to compile fuse against it. Is there a version archive I can get the tarball from?
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<Appiah>
what dist tekgnosis ?
04:26
would be wise to search in their archives
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<laga>
problem might be that older LTSP file systems were just cobbled together from various distros AFAIK
04:27
before project muecow came
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<tekgnosis>
red hat 3 I think.
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<laga>
so, if you had the .config, you might try a vanilla 2.4.26 tarball and hope it doesnt need patches..
04:33
but of course, the real thing would be preffered
04:33
<tekgnosis>
ok, I thought older versions started with a core package from ltsp project or something. I figured the %version%-ltsp-2 implied custom kernel patches. I tried stealing the fuse.o from a 2.4.26 DSL cd but it no likey. I don't have anything but the end compiled environment.
04:34
sorry to be a n00b; but would the .config be found in the /opt/ltsp/i386 tree or is it part of the kernel source? really, I'm new to hacking at kernel modules, normally I just USE linux. :P
04:36
<laga>
so, it looks like 2.4.26-ltsp-2 was used in ltsp 4.1
04:37
tekgnosis: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#Building_LBE - check this out.
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<laga>
and this: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LTSP-42#ltsp_kernel_kit
04:38
hum
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<tekgnosis>
hey, I didn't find those before; this is good :)
04:38
<laga>
can't find any mention of 2.4.26 on that website, though
04:38
so it might indeed be a newer kernel
04:40
<tekgnosis>
Alright, well this looks to be what the ltsp has by way of docs, so I'll look through this and also search rhel3 archives and maybe try compiling against vanilla 2.4.26 for giggles. Something will work.
04:40
Thanks!
04:43
<laga>
tekgnosis: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LBE#Installing_and_Building_LBE - use CVS to download the latest and greatest LBE. then cd kernel-src/
04:43
you owe me a cold one ;)
04:44
<tekgnosis>
I do, in fact, owe you a 6-pack.
04:44
This is the reason I keep my copy of leafchat after all these years... :P
04:44
<laga>
;)
04:45
you probably do not want to use the LBE itself to build the kernel, just grab the source for the vanilla kernel, patch it, apply config, add your module and build
04:46
make sure you modify EXTRA_VERSION to ltsp-2.. package.def might also be interesting to look at
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<tekgnosis>
hrm, that's also good info. Reall, I"m not sure how to patch a vanilla kernel with the LBE stuff, but I'm guessing that will be at least hinted at in the docs. Thanks for the hand-holding thus far, it's appreciated. I'll figure out from there. :D
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<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
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<zamba>
i have a pretty old compaq computer (pIII with 256 MB ram) that i want to use as a thin client.. problem is that the bios is dated before 2000 (which is the cutoff for acpi support), so it tells me to use acpi=force.. i've tried that, but it still reports the same error.. the only difference is that the loudspeakers are jolted to their peak levels when i use acpi=force.. what can i do?
07:37
<nubae>
try noapic nolapic
07:38
<zamba>
nubae: what will happen with the clients that has recent bioses then?
07:38
noacpi, yeah?
07:38
or did you actually mean noapic?
07:38
<nubae>
noapic
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<zamba>
in addition to acpi=force?
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<nubae>
that should come after the kernel paramaters
07:39
so edit pxe.0.cfg/default or whatever its called
07:39
<zamba>
DEFAULT vmlinuz ro initrd=initrd.img quiet splash noapic nolapic
07:39
like so?
07:39
<nubae>
under the tftpboot dir
07:39
right
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<zamba>
let's try
07:39
<nubae>
and take out quite and splash
07:39
so u see what its doing
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<zamba>
yeah
07:43
well.. that "worked".. but it still didn't shutdown the system completely
07:45
Språklig intelligens
07:45
Logisk-matematisk intelligens
07:45
eeh
07:46
wrong channel :p
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<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:45
<ogra>
!s
08:45
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:45
<sbalneav>
Moin ogra !
08:46
ogra: Got sabayon kind of going last night
08:46
<ogra>
missing you at uds :(
08:46
<highvoltage>
it's not the same
08:46
<ogra>
its really not the same
08:46
heh, snap
08:46
<highvoltage>
:)
08:46
<sbalneav>
Well, lets see if I can make some useful contributions. If I can, maybe I'll show up for the next one. :)
08:46
I want to get sabayon, pesselus & ldap going
08:46
I'm close on sabayon
08:47
<ogra>
cool
08:47
<sbalneav>
my ppa's got a working build, and I actually (kind of) know what I'm doing with cdbs
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<wigwam>
hi
09:03
i'm just testing my working installation of ltsp with new thin client: samsung 713NT
09:05
it's boot goes correctly until LTSP starts, after that i have just last 2 log messages on tty1 and only blinking cursor on other ttys
09:06
if i append init=/bin/bash kernel parameter, it boots ok, i don't see anything wrong...
09:07
another clients work perfectly... any ideas please?
09:07
<sbalneav>
wigwam: We'd need to know a bit more to help you. What version of ltsp on what host? How much ram in the thin client, and what kind of video chipset is in the thin client.
09:08
<wigwam>
Ubuntu 8.04 - LTSP 5
09:09
<sbalneav>
And the ram and video chipset in the thin client?
09:10
<wigwam>
just a second
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<wigwam>
128 MB RAM and AMD Geode LX video
09:14
but if i configure lts.conf with just SCREEN_01="SHELL", it doesn't display shell
09:14
<sbalneav>
I think it's SCREEN_01="shell"
09:14
no caps
09:15
<wigwam>
yes, sry
09:16
it doesn't work anyway
09:16
<sbalneav>
Can you paste your lts.conf file to the pastebot?
09:16
!pastebot
09:16
<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
09:18
<ltsppbot>
"wigwam" pasted "ltsp.conf" (111 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/357
09:19
<wigwam>
http://pastebot.ltsp.org/357?hl=on&submit=Format+it!
09:19
it's commented in czech, i'm sorry
09:20
<Lumiere>
translate.google.com ;)
09:20
<wigwam>
comments are probably not important for experts :)
09:20
<alkisg>
SCREEN_04 = "useroption" ???
09:21
<wigwam>
useroption is my own screen script we used in our company
09:21
but important section is the last one, commented Samsung NT
09:22
i've tried also clean lts.conf with only default section with shell, but it didn't work
09:26
<alkisg>
wigwam: the usual way to get a debug screen is: SCREEN_02=shell SCREEN_07=ldm
09:26
I've heard that SCREEN_01 shouldn't be used, but I don't remember exactly why.
09:26
<wigwam>
alkisg: thanks, i will try
09:26
<nubae>
alkisg: cause its used by startup
09:26
<sbalneav>
Try SCREEN_02 = shell
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: cool, you'll have enough packaging experience to work on SRUs then :)
09:32
<wigwam>
sbalneav: i've just tried, but the same result...
09:33
i've noticed that after message loading hw drivers the screen blinks and font is changed... but log continues until "Starting LTSP client..." message
09:35
and then just blinking cursor...
09:39
<Gadi>
wigwam: try SCREEN_04=shell
09:39
and override your GUI
09:40
<wigwam>
Gadi: i've just tried lts.conf with single SCREEN_02=shell screenline
09:40
in default section
09:40
and result is the same
09:41
<Gadi>
right - but you have problems with the Xserver
09:41
so, override the GUI
09:41
then, you should get your shell
09:41
from which you can do an X -configure
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and see if there are driver issues
09:41
for example
09:41
<wigwam>
04 is default tty for X?
09:42
<Gadi>
no - your useroption runs in Default under 04
09:42
so, under your specific client section, override that
09:42* Gadi is just reading your lts.conf
09:42
<wigwam>
i've removed specific sections, i will paste testing lts.conf i currently us
09:42
e
09:44
<ltsppbot>
"wigwam" pasted "lts.conf testing" (111 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/358
09:44
<sbalneav>
stgraber: I'd like to sru sabayon for hardy + itchy + jolly anyway
09:45
<Gadi>
is this debian?
09:45
wigwam: ^^
09:45
<wigwam>
what?
09:45
<Gadi>
wigwam: what distro are you running?
09:46
<wigwam>
ah, ubuntu 8.04
09:46
i've just wondered why are you smiling, but i've got it (after i switched on the syntax hilight)
09:47
<Gadi>
hehe
09:48
can you switch to ctrl-alt-f2 on boot?
09:48
with that lts.conf
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<wigwam>
yes
09:49
i can switch to tty0 - tty6 i think
09:49
tty0 contains 2 lines of startup messages, other ttys just blinking cursor
09:49
<Gadi>
but you get no shell prompt on screen 2?
09:49
<wigwam>
exactly
09:50
<Gadi>
try an lts.conf with just the lines:
09:50
[Default]
09:50
SCREEN_02 = shell
09:50
(no comments at all)
09:51
I am concerned that your lines with indented comments may not be parsed correctly and cause a syntax error
09:52
<wigwam>
hmm, i don't think so
09:53
i tried to test if lts.conf i edit is used by that client so i made the syntax error
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<wigwam>
and i've seen it in startup log
09:53
after removing that, the message disappeared
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<Lns>
OH
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<jammcq>
boa tarde #ltsp
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<moldy>
hi
13:41
what are possible causes for the client not using the lts.conf from tftpboot? (ubuntu jaunty)
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<sbalneav>
moldy: wrong permissions, invalid file, bugs in ltsp, etc.
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<moldy>
sbalneav: hmm
13:46
sbalneav: permissions look ok (644/755). the file is completely not present in the /etc of a client
13:46
<sbalneav>
Where have you placed the file?
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<moldy>
sbalneav: if i use the same file from /opt/ltsp/i386, that works
13:46
sbalneav: /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<sbalneav>
Not sure then.
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<moldy>
sbalneav: any hints on how to debug this? what is responsible for this mechanism?
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<laga>
a script in the initramfs
13:49
<moldy>
laga: thanks
13:51
laga: hm, where is that usually located? it seems my ltsp is using an initrd?
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<laga>
same thing :) you can look at the scripts in /etc/initramfs-tools/ and /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ AFAIK
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<moldy>
laga: thx, will try that :)
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<moldy>
laga: hm, i don't seem to have any scripts in there
13:56
<laga>
moldy: in the chroot.
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<moldy>
laga: i am looking at a booted client
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laga: find -type f on that dir shows "modules" and 2 .conf files
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<laga>
sorry, i don't have any ltsp stuff handy so i can't look
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<moldy>
laga: ok, thanks anyway
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<sbalneav>
/opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/ltsp-nbd
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<cliebow>
Scottie!!!!
14:02
<moldy>
sbalneav: thanks.
14:02
<sbalneav>
Hey cliebow
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<cliebow>
havnt seen you in a dogs age!
14:03
i often lift one high just for you!
14:03
sometimes i need no excuse
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<moldy>
where do i configure the tftp server used by ltsp?
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<sbalneav>
Depends which tftp server you've got installed. normally it's tftpd-hpa
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<moldy>
never mind, found it i think
14:09
RRQ from 192.168.0.22 filename /lts.conf
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sending NAK (1, File not found) to 192.168.0.22
14:09
hmm, some path is somehow messed up i guess?
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ah, yep. the arch part ("i386") of the path is missing
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<sbalneav>
so just put it in the /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp dir :)
14:11
<moldy>
right :)
14:11
so this could be considered a documentation bug, actually?
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<sbalneav>
Dunno.
14:12
if it changed, I can check, and update my docs
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<moldy>
the comments in the lts.conf in the chroot say you should use /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
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<sbalneav>
Prolly best to file a bug in launchpad then.
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<moldy>
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/377916
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this seems to be the bug
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i'm not sure though :)
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<sbalneav>
moldy: did you use a modified dhcpd.conf file?
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<moldy>
sbalneav: i'm using dnsmasq
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<sbalneav>
eurgh
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your on your own then.
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default is to use the stock dhcp3-server and tftpd-hpa
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<moldy>
sbalneav: dhcp-option=17,/opt/ltsp/i386 <-- that is the relevant line in my dhcp config, i think
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<sbalneav>
there's an included dhcp3.conf file that sets things correctly. if you override that with your own packages, you'll have to fix your stuff up accordingly.
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<moldy>
i will compare this to the stock dhcpd config later
14:21
thanks for your help so far
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<sbalneav>
Any reason why not to use the standard ISC dhcpd and tftpd-hpa?
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<vagrantc>
moldy: you'll also have to tweak the dhcp-boot parameter.
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moldy: there should be an example in /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/examples/dhcpd-dnsmasq
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<moldy>
sbalneav: i use tftpd-hpa. i don't use isc dhcpd because i like dnsmasq and it's alot simpler (i do need local dns)
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the isc dhcpd/bind combo would be overkill for my network
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but i have an understanding of the problem now, so the fix will be quite easy :) thank you
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<alkisg>
moldy: tftp-root=/ltsp/i386
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dhcp-boot=/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0
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<jammcq>
hello all
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<sbalneav>
jammcq: heya
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<jammcq>
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<sbalneav>
hey hey
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<jammcq>
sbalneav: Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22:25* vagrantc waves
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<jammcq>
hey vagrantc
22:25
how's it goin?
22:25
<vagrantc>
fairly well, fairly well.
22:25
<jammcq>
cool
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