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Channel log from 2 February 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<muppis>
Life is a funny thing. I'm wondering if I could somehow get old Celeron 663 from my sister to be used as tc.
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<alkisg>
Sure, my old school labs had those
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<muppis>
At least it got little more stylish case than my own oldies.
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<tech_dvo>
other available boot I could use than gpxe?
04:16
hello all!
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<simbulu>
contintuing install from yesterday ltsp-server on fedora 14. Running "ltsp-build-client" Answer: "ERROR: fc14 is unsupported". Now what ?
06:21
<Appiah>
well
06:21
umm
06:21
wow , now ever seen anyone use FC for ltsp
06:21
and it looks unsupported by the error message
06:23
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134#c19 looks unmaintained / not fixed
06:23
thats FC13 :D
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<simbulu>
Well yes ltsp seems unsupported on fc14. Still the ltsp-server rpm came from standard fedora repository.
06:25
<Appiah>
bet it's just moved from F12 repo
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to F13 repo
06:25
and now F14
06:26
<simbulu>
and according to /etc/sysconfig/ltspdist only fc{9,10,11,12} and el5 are supported. Othewise there is a fallback to fc9
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<Appiah>
FC seams to be fiddling around the ltsp stuff and no one touched it when it became F13 and F14
06:26
so it's a matter of packageing in Fedora
06:26
ping the maintainer
06:26
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=598134#c23 this comment says something..
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<Appiah>
it's not LTSP upstream issue , Fedora issue
06:27
<simbulu>
yep - the maintainer seems to be on vacation - and I will have to maintain myself for now
06:28
sure it is a fedora packaging thing - I will see how far I can get ...
06:28
<Appiah>
good luck
06:29
<simbulu>
the challenge for me is that I know very little of the ltsp internals - but reading source is fun anyway :)
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<simbulu>
starting by fixing /etc/sysconfig/ltspdist. Done. Now a ltsp-i386.ks for is needed for fc14
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<Appiah>
kickstart configuration?
07:05
maybe you can edit the old one?
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<tech_dvo>
is there a difference where you place lts.conf?
07:07
I've been placing them in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/
07:07
<Appiah>
ltsp5.x thats the right place
07:07
/opt/ltsp was for ltsp4
07:07
<tech_dvo>
but some instructions says to place them in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc
07:07
<Appiah>
you had to rebuild the client each time you place it in /opt
07:08
now you just have to restart the client
07:08
<tech_dvo>
I have one client that 'hangs' everytime I log out (ubuntu 10.10 ltsp)
07:09
any idea how I could trouble shoot this?
07:09
one type of client
07:09
<Appiah>
just one? is it different from the others?
07:09
so you select logout and then it just gets stuck?
07:09
<tech_dvo>
I have to configure XSERVER=vesa for these clients
07:09
yes
07:10
rebooting them then makes them hang
07:10
they'll reboot okay after 20-30min
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<Appiah>
I've had clients stuck at rebooting on ubuntu 10.10 (not ltsp)
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<tech_dvo>
how did you troubleshoot them?
07:14
<Appiah>
I never did , one was my own Ubuntu Desktop
07:14
I scratched that installation for Gentoo so :D
07:15
<tech_dvo>
I'm not familiar with Gentoo :( besides, I like to use Ubuntu -- school purposes :)
07:16
<Appiah>
not telling you to switch beacuse of that ;) I switched dist on my desktop for other reasons
07:16
try acpi=off on kernel line for those clients
07:16
see if it changes anything
07:17
acpi=force I mean
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<tech_dvo>
in lts.conf, right?
07:23
Appiah: I'll try this tomorrow (my time) as I am out of the school and doing this at home, just can't get this out of my head until I have something -- this is something. thanks!
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<mgariepy>
morning everyone
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<simbulu>
Do people in general run ltsp with or without selinux ? I get the impression that selinux is usually turned off on ltsp boxes, but I would like to be corrected.
09:37
<alkisg>
E.g. in ubuntu selinux if off by default, and most people I know leave it off :D
09:37
Don't know about other distros, I think maybe fedora has it enabled by default? But ltsp is lacking in fedora...
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<simbulu>
on fc14 selinux is an option at install time - default is on. I will turn selinux off for now and reboot the box again.
09:40
<Nubae>
yeah definetly want selinux off
09:41
hows it going anyway?
09:41
<simbulu>
or rather I will run with selinux in permissive mode
09:43
Nubae, Running on fc14 - working on getting ltsp-build-client to work
09:52
installation (yum install ltsp-server) gave me version 5.1.95-1fc13.x86_64 which I am trying to configure.
09:53
fixed a few bugs, and created a few new files. Current problem is ltsp-build-client which fails with "Autoconfigured Kickstart: /etc/ltsp/kickstart/Fedora/14/ltsp-386.ks"
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<Nubae>
guess compare it to the f13 ks
09:54
<simbulu>
Note: Root directory /opt/ltsp/i386 already exists, this will lead to problemss, please remove it before trying again. Exiting. Error: LTSP client installation abnormally."
09:54
<Nubae>
thats normal
09:55
happens every time u rebuild client
09:55
<simbulu>
yep - I created 14.ks from 13.ks. Ok.
09:55
<Nubae>
just delete it and start again
09:55
<simbulu>
then I will just "rm -rf /opt/ltsp/i386 ; ltsp-build-client"
09:55
<Nubae>
yup
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<simbulu>
thanks - I am a novice on ltsp - so it is good to be advised on what is normal and not.
09:58
worked - almost - "Error to creating image: Failed to find package 'system-config-display'. No package available to install.
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<simbulu>
common.ks refers to system-config-display - removing reference and trying again
10:04
fc14 does not have system-config-display. Fixed. Next problem: "Failed to find package 'kudzu'"
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<simbulu>
Same thing common.ks refers to non-existing package. fixed.
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<Nubae>
packages may have changed names too
10:10
<simbulu>
ltsp-build-client now gives some warnings like: "No such package anacron to remove" . I am not trying to fix those warnings for now.
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<Nubae>
yeah again, packages may have changed names
10:11
but removing is step 1 I guess, u can always add the missing lines afterwards with proper packages if they exist
10:13
<simbulu>
at the moment it downloads a lot of rpm's - perhaps I should read the release notes in the meanwhile
10:22
man has been replaced by man-db. install-info complains about missing directory (I guess that is normal as well)
10:26
and sed somplains "cant read /etc/init.d/halt: and /etc/rc.d/rc.sysinit: No such file or directory" . In general: after installin 410 packages: warning post scriptlet failed, exit status 2. Hmm.
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<simbulu>
Seems like the client is going to be a F15 box (Rawhide) when ltsp-build-client once comes to an end.
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<simbulu>
the end: LTSP client installation ended abnormally. :-(
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<Q-FUNK>
howdy!
11:03
would anyone using LTSP on Ubuntu/Lucid happen to have the solution to those login timeouts on LDM after rebuilding the chroot and boot image?
11:06
<alkisg>
"login timeouts"? Any error messages?
11:06
!SCREEN_02
11:06
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "SCREEN_02" :: to get a root shell on an Ubuntu thin client: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
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<alkisg>
Try `ssh user@server` from SCREEN_02
11:06
Change "user" to an existing username, but leave "server" intact, don't replace it with anything
11:11
<Q-FUNK>
ok. just a sec.
11:16
so, from terminal two and then a normal slogin from there?
11:17
argh. this screen2 doesn't use the local keyboard map. not good.
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<Q-FUNK>
ah!
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found it.
11:24
alkisg: thanks! :)
11:24
<alkisg>
What was it?
11:24
keyboard layout?
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<Q-FUNK>
up
11:27
yup
11:28
for some reason, it didn't copy the regional keyboard layout setting from the server side.
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or well, it seems to work for LDM but not for screen2.
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<alkisg>
sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup inside the chroot helps with that
11:29
<Q-FUNK>
yup, that's what I did.
11:30
I just wonder why the chroot doesn't automatically get configured to use the same keyboard map for both X and console-setup.
11:30
<simbulu>
trying again to ltsp-build-client after correcting ltsp-i386.ks to use a fedora-14 mirror rather than rawhide ...
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<alkisg>
Q-FUNK: I think it takes your LANG setting for that
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unless you use --locale=xxx
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<Q-FUNK>
$ locale | grep LANG
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LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8
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LANGUAGE=fi_FI:fi:en_US:en
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<simbulu>
ltsp-build-client worked ! "info: LTSP client installation compled successfully". Client is a F14 box.
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<Nubae>
simbulu u´ll need to edit the sed part that tries to read the missing dirs and either create the dirs or some such
12:09
nice one
12:10
I´d still go back and try to get the lines u took out to work with the right packages though
12:10
might be required
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<simbulu>
yes - we will see. At least the main install should be over for now - and we can turn to the network setup ( skipped the vmclient parts).
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<simbulu>
As the server has just one NIC I will have to take it offline in order to test booting of the clients. More on that tomorrow.
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<lauri>
good evening guys, anyone of you going to FOSDEM?
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<Q-FUNK>
whatever happened to the nice LDM theme that ubuntu used to ship with? is it packaged searately these days or?
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<highvoltage>
it's still where it always was
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Q-FUNK: this one? http://edubuntu.org/sites/default/files/ltsp2_full.jpg
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<Q-FUNK>
hmm.. the one I remember had a yellow background
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<highvoltage>
I think it used to have a brownish background, but that's really vintage
14:02
well, yellowish/brownish
14:03
the one in natty might be closer to this: http://www.stgraber.org/download/images/ldm-natty.png (although that's not finalised yet)
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, wait. nvm. seems that ltsp-build-client in lucid does not install any custom ldm theme.
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<highvoltage>
Q-FUNK: it's in the ldm-ubuntu-theme package that's part of the ldm-ubuntu-themes source package
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<Q-FUNK>
yup, seems so
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I just wonder why it's not installed by default anymore
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<highvoltage>
Q-FUNK: it is!
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<Q-FUNK>
hmm, wasn't here when I did ltsp-build-image
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<highvoltage>
Q-FUNK: well, if you install on Ubuntu at least. Debian shows the ugly blue and yellow one by default
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Q-FUNK: on Ubuntu 10.10?
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<Q-FUNK>
10.4
14:46
I only use the LTS releases as terminal servers.
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<highvoltage>
I installed LTSP plenty of times on 10.04 for testing purposes and the ldm themes got installed just fine without me having to do anything as far as I can recall
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<Q-FUNK>
odd
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<sschotten>
hi guys.. good evening.. I'm trying to get LBE but the cvs.ltsp.org is out
15:48
does someone have a tip? already googled and I'm getting all tarballs available at mirrors.
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<sschotten>
does anyone have a LBE that I can get?
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<evil_root>
you mean the ltsp-load-balancer sschotten?
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<sschotten>
evil_root no, LTSP Build Enviroment
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<evil_root>
oh
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<vagrantc>
that's old-school ltsp 4.x
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