IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 25 May 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:13Faithful (~Faithful@carame.lnk.telstra.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
00:15F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Quit: Leaving
00:17
<Hyperbyte>
dubkat, you're welcome and good morning. :-)
00:17
You're right though, one shouldn't touch servers as root when they're not fully awake. :P
00:18IOMonster (~IOMonster@unaffiliated/iomonster) joined #ltsp.
00:18
<Hyperbyte>
I am pleased to say though that I solved the monitor problem. :)
00:19
Kinda sucks that I solved it with a dirty hack, just as the great guys at DisklessWorkstations sent me a little patch for my client chroot to overcome the problem properly, but at least it's fixed. :)
00:19
But at least it works, yay!
00:20gnunux (~emmanuel@194.167.18.244) joined #ltsp.
00:25map7_ (~map7@58.171.221.78) joined #ltsp.
00:50oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) joined #ltsp.
00:51map7_ (~map7@58.171.221.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 276 seconds
01:01oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
01:03bobby_C (~bobby@85-124-22-227.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #ltsp.
01:09Da-Geek (~Da-Geek@80.235.230.186) joined #ltsp.
01:13alexqwesa_ (~alex@alexo-veto.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
01:14alexqwesa_ (~alex@alexo-veto.broker.freenet6.net) joined #ltsp.
01:23ry (~ry@static-71-183-64-28.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
01:23alexqwesa_ (~alex@alexo-veto.broker.freenet6.net) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
01:26alexqwesa_ (~alex@109.172.10.32) joined #ltsp.
01:37ry (~ry@static-71-183-64-28.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined #ltsp.
01:46F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) joined #ltsp.
01:54dobber (~dobber@89.190.197.77) joined #ltsp.
02:02dobber (~dobber@89.190.197.77) left irc: Read error: Operation timed out
02:03bobby_C (~bobby@85-124-22-227.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
02:14dobber (~dobber@89.190.197.77) joined #ltsp.
02:20map7_ (~map7@58.171.221.78) joined #ltsp.
02:51
<Hyperbyte>
Is there any possible way, workaround, hack, so that I can update the NBD image without screwing the clients that are logged in?
02:52
I'm not even looking for a way to get the changes in effect, because I realize that'd be quite impossible, just would be nice if the logged in clients would continue in the old image and all new logins would continue in my updated image
02:52
<muppis>
nbd proxy
02:53
<Hyperbyte>
Could you elaborate? :)
02:53
<muppis>
Which distro you are using?
02:53
<Hyperbyte>
Edubuntu 11.04
02:55
<muppis>
Afaik it should be enabled by default.
02:57alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
03:04
<muppis>
alkisg, is nbd proxy enabled in Edubuntu?
03:04
<alkisg>
muppis: nbd-proxy had problems and afaik in 11.04 it was disabled, to be re-enabled if it's fixed in the future
03:04
I always have it disabled so I don't know the details
03:05
Hyperbyte: that should work automatically, no need to do anything
03:05
If you run ltsp-update-image, it deletes the old image and creates the new one. In Linux, deleted files that are in use don't get deleted until the last "user" closes the file handle
03:08
So what you said happens automatically, when you reboot the clients: "would be nice if the logged in clients would continue in the old image and all new logins (==>reboot here) would continue in my updated image"
03:13
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, actually, when I rebuild the image clients start to complain about not finding correct sectors for files
03:14
I guess it caches the file allocation table, but not the actual files... so it can't find the files in the destination it expects them.
03:14
*sectors
03:15
<alkisg>
Hyperbyte: nope, something goes wrong then, that's not the expected behavior
03:15
E.g. if you just rm the image, you should be able to keep working until the clients reboot
03:16
(unless nbd was broken specifically in 11.04...)
03:16
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, users can keep working yeah, everything stays running
03:16
But if I shutdown the client it says it can't find the shutdown command. :)
03:17
<alkisg>
It shouldn't say that
03:22
<Hyperbyte>
I continued 'till 3 by the way... heh
03:22* Hyperbyte smacks ltsplogbot :D
03:23
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, I got a script from DisklessWorkstations that fixed the display problem for me
03:23
Although you probably read that in the logs. Turns out there's a laptop display connector on the videocard, which got enabled by default... causing dual screen to turn into triple screen, which doesn't work
03:24
And single screen to turn into dual screen with one invisible screen
03:24
<alkisg>
Ah that caused the chaos. So they're just using xrandr to disable LVDS1 ?
03:25
Or some xorg option?
03:29Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) joined #ltsp.
03:38oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) joined #ltsp.
03:42
<Hyperbyte>
alkisg, not sure, I haven't taken a good look at the shell script yet
03:42
I devised my own solution, because I eventually figured it out as well, just a little before they mailed me the script
03:43
I made an LDM startup script that does xrandr --output LVDS1 --off xrandr --output VGA1 --auto xrandr --output DVI1 --auto
03:43
Couldn't get it working from lts.conf and didn't feel like investigating last night. :)
03:46
<alkisg>
OK so just an lts.conf entry should suffice for similar cases
03:48F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
03:50
<alkisg>
XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="LVDS1 --off"
03:50
XRANDR_OUTPUT_1="VGA1 --auto"
03:50
XRANDR_OUTPUT_2="DVI1 --auto"
03:51Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
03:54Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) joined #ltsp.
03:54
<Hyperbyte>
Hrm, the DLWS patch seems to create some xorg config hack
03:54
http://secondary.recreatie-zorg.nl/jan/1720_fix.sh.txt
03:59F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) joined #ltsp.
04:00
<Hyperbyte>
Also, to their credit, none of the XRANDR options in lts.conf seem to have the desired effect
04:00
When I created /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc.d/I99-xrandr and put the xrandr commands in there manually it worked fine
04:01
But from lts.conf, no cake. Just tested it now, doesn't work.
04:29map7_ (~map7@58.171.221.78) left irc: Ping timeout: 250 seconds
04:33
<andygraybeal>
good morrrnigning!!
04:47
<Hyperbyte>
And what a good morning it is, andygraybeal!
04:59alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
05:06
<mgariepy>
good morning everyone
05:12
<Hyperbyte>
Good morning mgariepy! :)
05:14
<mgariepy>
how do you do ?
05:16IOMonster (~IOMonster@unaffiliated/iomonster) left irc: Ping timeout: 264 seconds
05:27shawnp0wers (~Adium@linuxjournal/staff/shawnp0wers) joined #ltsp.
05:34cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
05:51mistik1_ (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) joined #ltsp.
05:52cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) joined #ltsp.
05:54mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
05:54Nick change: mistik1_ -> mistik1
05:58
<Hyperbyte>
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/InstallX11VncOnLtspClients
05:58
This one doesn't work for me. I tried the safer & more secure way, but it complains that it cannot open display.
05:58
I've changed :6 to :7, since lts.conf has SCREEN_07=ldm
05:59primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) joined #ltsp.
06:03
<Hyperbyte>
mgariepy, doing fine by the way. :) Missed your message.
06:08dead_root (~dead_root@76.75.3.174) joined #ltsp.
06:09
<Hyperbyte>
Looks a bit like it's a problem originating from the point where it's started
06:09* Hyperbyte moves the x11vnc start code to an LDM startup script
06:11primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
06:11
<mgariepy>
Hyperbyte, you need to have XAUTHORITY env.
06:12drdata (~drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined #ltsp.
06:12
<mgariepy>
here is how i start it:DISPLAY=:7 XAUTHORITY=$(ls -1 /var/run/ldm-xauth-*/Xauthority) x11vnc -rfbport 9000
06:16
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
06:16
Maybe this should be on the wiki. :)
06:16
Although I've now done it as a startup script in /usr/share/ldm/rc.d/
06:16
It should have all those things there.
06:18
Then again maybe it doesn't. :|
06:20
Okay, I added the DISPLAY= and XAUTHORITY= lines to /etc/init.d/x11vnc
06:21
What are the chances this gets executed long before LDM and won't work?
06:21
<mgariepy>
i usually starts it by hand
06:21
why aren't you using italc instead ?
06:21
<Hyperbyte>
italc?
06:21
What's that?
06:22
<mgariepy>
http://italc.sourceforge.net/
06:22
<Hyperbyte>
And why is this better for me than x11vnc?
06:23
<mgariepy>
it uses vnc too but with keys so it's secure (if your keys have good permission) and it starts automaticly on LTSP if you set START_ITALC=true
06:25
<Hyperbyte>
But this seems a bit overkill
06:25
All I wanna do is take over one screen for a little while. :\
06:31
Even started with your xauthority line from an ldm startup script it won't work though.
06:34
<mgariepy>
can you start it by hand?
06:36
<Hyperbyte>
Only after logging in, via a local xterm
06:37
<mgariepy>
do you have an error messagE?
06:37
<Hyperbyte>
Cannot open display
06:42
Hrm... now it worked somehow
06:42
It actually started x11vnc twice... curious how it managed that, but alas. I can continue. :)
06:44drdata (~drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
06:47
<mgariepy>
haha :)
06:48sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) left irc: Ping timeout: 244 seconds
06:49sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) joined #ltsp.
06:53Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
06:55Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) joined #ltsp.
07:29alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
07:34drdata (~drdata@tw2.udallas.edu) joined #ltsp.
07:52shawnp0wers (~Adium@linuxjournal/staff/shawnp0wers) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
08:00Freewillie_ (~chatzilla@535459E0.cm-6-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #ltsp.
08:01
<Freewillie_>
I get the message when i try to loggin a thinclient: response from server, restart. What causes this 'error'?
08:01Nick change: Freewillie_ -> Freewillie
08:03
<Freewillie>
knipwim: Do you know something about the message: response from server, restarting?
08:06drdata (drdata@tw2.udallas.edu) left #ltsp.
08:07
<alkisg>
Freewillie: try running ltsp-update-sshkeys, and if you're using nbd, also ltsp-update-image
08:07
<Freewillie>
alkisg: i ll try
08:07
alkisg: what is nbd?
08:08
<alkisg>
Which distro/version are you using?
08:08
<Freewillie>
alkisg: Xubuntu 11.04 with LTSP 5 I believe
08:08
<alkisg>
Then you're using nbd, so run: sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys && sudo ltsp-update-image
08:09
<Freewillie>
ok
08:10
alkisg: Also my internet connection drops when i connect a thin client, has it something to do with the message?
08:10
<alkisg>
Hmmm no, but it might mean that your network setup is broken
08:11
Describe your network setup, how many nics, where is the dhcp server etc etc
08:12
<Freewillie>
alkisg: The message stays:(
08:13
<alkisg>
Freewillie: get a root shell on the client, like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/ClientTroubleshooting#Using%20a%20shell%20SCREEN
08:13
When you get the shell, run: ssh user@server
08:13
Replace "user" with an existing username, but leave "server" exactly as it is, don't replace it
08:13
And see if you get any warnings
08:14
<Freewillie>
alkisg: 2 nics one on the internet the other one on the thinclient network
08:14
alkisg: dhcp is on the same machine as the ltsp server
08:14gnunux (~emmanuel@194.167.18.244) left irc: Quit: Ex-Chat
08:15
<Freewillie>
alkisg: There is in the internet network an other dhcp
08:15
<alkisg>
If you have configured your dhcpd.conf properly in the ltsp server, then your setup sounds OK, it shouldn't affect your internet connectivity when a client boots
08:19
<Freewillie>
alkisg: When i created lts.conf do i need to do updat-image again?
08:19
<alkisg>
No, if you put it in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf
08:19
<Freewillie>
then there is something wron because i cannot see any terminal
08:20
when i press: Alt + F2 or any other
08:20
<alkisg>
Alt+Ctrl+F2
08:20
Not just alt
08:22staffencasa_ (~staffenca@128-193-148-146.oregonstate.edu) joined #ltsp.
08:25Freewillie (~chatzilla@535459E0.cm-6-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
08:31dobber (~dobber@89.190.197.77) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
08:33Freewillie (~chatzilla@535459E0.cm-6-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) joined #ltsp.
08:34
<Freewillie>
alkisg: I am back, it is very strange but if i login via the commandline and then login in the gui it works
08:35
alkisg: But i cannot login without loggin in via ssh from the commandline, do you know a solution?
08:37
alkisg: Thanks for the help so far, I unfortunatly have to go, so bye
08:37Freewillie (~chatzilla@535459E0.cm-6-5b.dynamic.ziggo.nl) left irc: Client Quit
09:10cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
09:22Da-Geek (~Da-Geek@80.235.230.186) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
09:33herytjb (~heryatmad@202.43.188.65) joined #ltsp.
09:38herytjb (~heryatmad@202.43.188.65) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
09:39herytjb (~heryatmad@202.43.188.65) joined #ltsp.
09:39herytjb (~heryatmad@202.43.188.65) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
09:55mikkel (~mikkel@80-71-132-15.u.parknet.dk) joined #ltsp.
10:00primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) joined #ltsp.
10:03primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) left irc: Read error: Connection reset by peer
10:25alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
10:26Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@static-b4-252-232.telepac.pt) joined #ltsp.
10:26
<Gnoze5>
Hi
10:27
out of all the distros and versions which would be considered the most stable?
10:27roasted (~jason@unaffiliated/roasted) joined #ltsp.
10:27
<Gnoze5>
for ltsp..
10:28
<roasted>
hello hellooo
10:28
<Ahmuck-Sr>
Gnoze5: that's a bit of a loaded question. Suse has it's own implementation of LTSP that works quite well however.
10:28
<roasted>
is suse still around?
10:29
<highvoltage>
I haven't seen her in a while
10:29
<Gnoze5>
lol
10:29
you mean kiwi-ltsp?
10:29
<Ahmuck-Sr>
yes. granted this was a year or two ago
10:30
another distro that used to have something similar was pardus
10:30
openSUSE
10:30
<Gnoze5>
hm
10:31
i tsted with ubuntu
10:31
seembed quite good
10:31
im just having issues with acceleration
10:32
i castn get it to work
10:32
lol
10:32
<mgariepy>
Gnoze5, you are using natty ?
10:33
<Ahmuck-Sr>
what type of acceleration?
10:33
<Gnoze5>
using 10.10
10:33
2d accel
10:33
for video playback
10:34gentgeen__ (~kevin@c-98-236-71-64.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
10:34
<Gnoze5>
or even just to solve the whole scroll drag annoyance
10:35
to convince people to implement this..
10:36bobby_C (~bobby@85-124-22-227.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) joined #ltsp.
10:38staffencasa_ (~staffenca@128-193-148-146.oregonstate.edu) left irc: Quit: Leaving
10:39
<Gnoze5>
hm g2g
10:44Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@static-b4-252-232.telepac.pt) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
10:53alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) joined #ltsp.
11:08Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@a79-168-111-5.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined #ltsp.
11:08
<Gnoze5>
back :)
11:09Ahmuck-Sr (~quietly@24.225.23.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
11:13
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: what does xvinfo tell you, if you run it from an ltsp client?
11:14roasted (~jason@unaffiliated/roasted) left irc: Ping timeout: 255 seconds
11:23bieb (~hbieber@66-192-20-118.static.twtelecom.net) joined #ltsp.
11:24
<bieb>
anyone here using likewise?
11:36dead_root (~dead_root@76.75.3.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
11:38primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) joined #ltsp.
11:49toscalix (~toscalix@229.Red-88-29-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net) joined #ltsp.
11:53dead_root (~dead_root@76.75.3.174) joined #ltsp.
12:04Trixboxer (~Trixboxer@office.supportdepartment.net) left irc: Quit: "Achievement is not the end, its the beginning of new journey !!!"
12:19Nick change: primeministerp -> primeministerp|a
12:19Nick change: primeministerp|a -> primeministerp|o
12:19Nick change: primeministerp|o -> primeministerp
12:21tastle73 (~tom@sarge.pcc.com) joined #ltsp.
12:23
<tastle73>
I have a workstation with LTSP5 on ubuntu 10.04 that I seem to have to wait 2-3 minutes until it will allow anybody other than root to login
12:26
<alkisg>
root normally can't login on ubuntu, did you specifically change that or something is broken in your setup?
12:27
<Gnoze5>
alkisg sorry im cooking dinner for the wife and all
12:28
<alkisg>
Gnoze5: no worries it's IRC... e.g. I had to put the kids to bed :D
12:28
<tastle73>
yes, I've enabled root
12:28
<alkisg>
tastle73: how?
12:29
On the server, and on ssh?
12:29
<tastle73>
sudo passwd root
12:29IOMonster (~IOMonster@68-186-57-213.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) joined #ltsp.
12:29IOMonster (~IOMonster@68-186-57-213.dhcp.mdfd.or.charter.com) left irc: Changing host
12:29IOMonster (~IOMonster@unaffiliated/iomonster) joined #ltsp.
12:29
<tastle73>
yes and yes
12:32pedronveloso (~Pedro@static-b4-252-232.telepac.pt) joined #ltsp.
12:35
<Gnoze5>
pedronveloso
12:35
yo
12:36
alkisg pedronveloso is in front of one of our test clients
12:36
pedronveloso run xvinfo on the client please
12:36
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: open a terminal, run: xvinfo, and then put the output to this site: http://pastebin.com
12:36
<pedronveloso>
on the ltsp server, or on an actual client?
12:36
<alkisg>
While logged in on an actual client
12:37
<pedronveloso>
ok, I just booted the serve, let me boot a client then
12:37
<Gnoze5>
pedronveloso hurry your ass the man is giving us free help...
12:37
:P
12:38
<alkisg>
Haha #ltsp is very friendly, no need to rush
12:38
<highvoltage>
heh
12:39
<pedronveloso>
it's a huge output.. something you want me to grep?
12:40
<alkisg>
If it's a huge output, then xv is supported
12:40
So you do have xv acceleration
12:40
<pedronveloso>
adaptor : "XV_SMOV"
12:40
<alkisg>
Do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True or False?
12:41
<pedronveloso>
I don't even have that line. but DirectX, isn't that a M$ thing?
12:41
<alkisg>
No, it's a method to make screen updates to go faster on ltsp clients, at a *security* cost
12:42
I.e. the X traffic will travel unencrypted on the network - now it's encrypted, and that makes it much slower
12:42
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf ==> see LDM_DIRECTX there
12:42
<pedronveloso>
ok. well, the line isn't here. also, might be interesting, this line exists "operations supported: PutImage"
12:43
<alkisg>
LDM_DIRECTX is an lts.conf option, to be put in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf (that file doesn't exist by default)
12:44
<pedronveloso>
ok, so you suggest me creating it, and then reboot both client and server, or simply reboot client and do some update command on the server?
12:45
<alkisg>
Create that file. Put the following in it:
12:45
[Default]
12:45
LDM_DIRECTX=True
12:45
Then reboot the client, and see if you like the performance
12:45
Then think if you're OK with the traffic being unencrypted :)
12:46
<pedronveloso>
ok, just a quick question, does the server have to be 3d acelerated for this to work?
12:47
<alkisg>
No
12:48drdata (~drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined #ltsp.
12:48toscalix (~toscalix@229.Red-88-29-37.staticIP.rima-tde.net) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
12:53Ahmuck (~quietly@24.225.23.50) joined #ltsp.
12:57
<pedronveloso>
alkisg, it certanly feels faster now, the windows, even the scrool on webpages. but flash videos on youtube still have a bit of lag
12:57
alkisg, although, the lag it's only on the video, not on the sound
12:58
<Gnoze5>
pedronveloso theres still video lag after the change?
12:59
<pedronveloso>
yes, on Flash videos. I think it's related to the acelleration on the server, because "glxgears" fails to run
12:59mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) left irc: Ping timeout: 252 seconds
13:00
<Gnoze5>
what about non flash video playback
13:00
<pedronveloso>
let me try
13:01
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: flash is another story. Try a divx video
13:01
It should play OK. Flash is very heavy on the CPU, and it usually doesn't use acceleration even if it's available.
13:02bieb (hbieber@66-192-20-118.static.twtelecom.net) left #ltsp.
13:03
<Gnoze5>
what about something like skype alkisg?
13:03
<pedronveloso>
tried MP4 video 640x480, very smooth
13:04
<alkisg>
pedronveloso: it should be smooth even if you see it fullscreen
13:04
Gnoze5: I'm not using skype, but I think it works fine with ltsp
13:04
<pedronveloso>
the problem appears tobe just Flash really. on Flash the video looks like those first digital cameras that seems like you're underwater on the preview screen :P
13:04
<Gnoze5>
lol
13:04
pedro
13:04
its time to install skype :P
13:04
<pedronveloso>
ok
13:05
<alkisg>
If the clients are good enough, some people install firefox+flash as localapps
13:05
Then they run locally, so it goes much faster
13:05
<Gnoze5>
alkisg our first implementations
13:05
the clients are not bad at all
13:05
<alkisg>
RAM/CPU?
13:06
<Gnoze5>
the worst we have p4 3.2 with 512 ram
13:06
otherwise
13:06
<alkisg>
Then yeah flash would go much better as a localapp
13:06
<tastle73>
@alksig: I use NIS for authentication
13:06
<Gnoze5>
we havent started playing with local apps
13:06
<tastle73>
sorry alkisg
13:07
<alkisg>
tastle73: you should mention those things when you're asking for help with authentication problems :) Not using NIS, no idea about it.
13:08
<pedronveloso>
yeah, defenitly chrome as a local app would be awsome
13:08
<tastle73>
lol yes i should
13:08
<alkisg>
Maybe a dns timeout problem
13:10
<tastle73>
could be
13:11
dns is served from a 3rd machine that also does NIS and DHCP
13:11
<Gnoze5>
so far im very impressed with ltsp...
13:14mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) joined #ltsp.
13:18
<Gnoze5>
LOL
13:18
we were testing skype
13:18
and the client logged out randomly
13:19spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
13:20spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) joined #ltsp.
13:20
<Gnoze5>
happened again
13:20
that is very strange
13:22
<alkisg>
Check that user's ~/.xsession-errors, maybe skype crashed X
13:23
<Gnoze5>
it worked for 2 seconds rhough
13:23
lolol
13:23
:)
13:25
<alkisg>
Btw using X_COLORDEPTH=16 helps in making thin clients faster too
13:28
<Gnoze5>
alkisg thanks for all the help btw...
13:28dead_root (~dead_root@76.75.3.174) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
13:30
<Gnoze5>
http://pastebin.com/BEEFTSF8
13:32
both pidgin and skype die
13:32
but skype kicks us out o the session
13:33
<pedronveloso>
they die when there's audio input I guess. because skype sounds play all well, until a call starts
13:33
<Gnoze5>
try disabling input?
13:49spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) left irc: Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net
13:49spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) joined #ltsp.
14:05drdata (drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left #ltsp.
14:14pedronveloso (~Pedro@static-b4-252-232.telepac.pt) left irc: Quit: Leaving
14:14alkisg (~alkisg@ubuntu/member/alkisg) left irc: Quit: Leaving.
14:17mikkel (~mikkel@80-71-132-15.u.parknet.dk) left irc: Quit: Leaving
14:17tastle73 (tom@sarge.pcc.com) left #ltsp.
14:24IOMonster (~IOMonster@unaffiliated/iomonster) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
14:24bobby_C (~bobby@85-124-22-227.teleworker.xdsl-line.inode.at) left irc: Quit: Goin' down hard
14:24
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, i hope your life is working out for the better... your still on irc, so i see you haven't killed yourself yet
14:29
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, I wouldn't do that. :P
14:30
But yes, it is turning out for the better.
14:30
Tomorrow morning my new Kreidler Galactica 2.0 electrical scooter gets delivered. :)
14:30
http://www.kreidler.net/wp_kreidler_mot/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/3000_Galactica-2_0-Electro-Diagonal-links.jpg
14:31* Hyperbyte loves electric vehicles
14:40
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, nice to hear bro
14:40
i felt bad for you man !
15:10Lns (~lns@75-149-52-89-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) joined #ltsp.
15:10Lns (~lns@75-149-52-89-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) left irc: Changing host
15:10Lns (~lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) joined #ltsp.
15:37
<Hyperbyte>
Thanks... that's kinda sweet actually. :)
15:37
I felt quite horrible as well... you know, it really sucks to implement a big system that the company is gonna depend on, and then have it break on you.
15:38
It's difficult enough convincing people open source is the way, and then you screw up in applying it. :)
15:38
Still, you know, Edubuntu is a great step forward. Plus, once this is going to work smoothly, it's gonna serve the company for years to come hopefully.
15:59
<Lns>
Hyperbyte: I always say, Windows networks take about a day to set up, but then they break every month afterwards. Linux networks take about a month to set up, and never break. ;)
16:14
<Gnoze5>
Lns i disagree!
16:16
<Lns>
Gnoze5: you can certainly do that. ;)
16:17
<Gnoze5>
Lns windows setups are broken from the second you set them up
16:17
lol
16:18yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) left irc: Ping timeout: 240 seconds
16:18
<Lns>
I wouldn't say I disagree with that. Of course, you have to give it to the good people at Microsoft...they do try very hard.
16:20
<Gnoze5>
they try very hard at selling a product that isnt good
16:21
im not a microsoft hater, but honestly most of their stuff does suck lol
16:22
anyway
16:22
so Lns youre tellig me it will take me a month to implement LTSP?
16:24
my impression thus far (testing it for a week now) is that deployment is actually quite easy
16:28
<dubkat>
it took me several days to setup ltsp
16:28
however, it was my first time
16:28
using a distro i'm not familiar with
16:29
<Lns>
Gnoze5: the actual setup of the ltsp server (I use debian primarily), including OS, takes me about an hour, tops. Configuring it for your site, however, will take some time depending.
16:29
It's all about the configuration and customization.
16:29
<dubkat>
yes, that. the server install took like 20 minutes. its the ltsp stuff that is kind of a pain :)
16:29
but it works, quite beautifully
16:30
had 3 users using it today, and the serverload was barely 0.01
16:30
<Lns>
dubkat: ah, the beauty of linux =)
16:30
<Gnoze5>
but 1 month?
16:30
<dubkat>
1 month for what?
16:30* Lns likes to eggagerate ;)
16:33
<Gnoze5>
actullay now that we are talking about this
16:33
what specificaly gives you trouble, or takes time
16:33
?
16:34
<dubkat>
depends on your skill level, patience, and how "in a hurry" you are -- which clearly was my problem
16:34
i rushed some steps that caused me headaches because i didn't pay attention to detail
16:34
<Lns>
Gnoze5: integrating proprietary software causes the most trouble for me, by far
16:35
<dubkat>
but you have some decisions to tmake
16:35
i'm using a hybrid thin/fat client setup
16:35
* runs on the server, except chromium, firefox, vlc, and gnome-mplayer
16:35
(yes, libreoffice runs on the server)
16:36
quite nicely too i'm supprised
16:36
custimizing stuff took a bit of time
16:37
<Gnoze5>
hm
16:37
you mean deciding what you made a local app or not?
16:38
<dubkat>
i made a custom /etc/skel/Desktop to include some icons for launching the browser(s), etc via localapps, custom LDM login screen with our company logo, a basic .xfce4 config dir that sets the background wallpaper to a nice background i made
16:38
well, figuring out HOW to do it right took me some time
16:38
but the friendly people on this channel (and the docs) were most helpful
16:38
<Lns>
dubkat: you might want to stress-test libreoffice presentation software - I had issues with pixmap memory crashing thin clients with low memory (<512MB) because of the way it handles images and particularly the slideshow function.
16:39
this was a long time ago though (Ubuntu 8.04 days)
16:39
<Gnoze5>
hm
16:40
one thing im sure
16:40
<dubkat>
Lns: libreoffice runs on the server
16:40
<Gnoze5>
our wiki is already starting to get long on notes
16:40
<dubkat>
and they mostly use calc and writer
16:40
<Gnoze5>
for ltsp
16:41
<dubkat>
and the clients have 1g of memory anyway :)
16:41
<Gnoze5>
1g?
16:41
thats good
16:41
dubkat what proc?
16:41
<dubkat>
atom
16:42
i think they are also 1ghz
16:42
i got them from DisklessWorkstations.com
16:42
<Lns>
Gnoze5: the pixmap issue crashes the clients when the office software is running on the server.
16:42
<dubkat>
ah
16:42
<Lns>
err, dubkat ^^^
16:43
<dubkat>
i'll keep an eye on it
16:43
<Lns>
dubkat: Thanks =) It was a real PITA for me. What dist are you running?
16:44
<Gnoze5>
ill keep an eye on it too lolol
16:44staffencasa (~staffenca@128-193-148-146.oregonstate.edu) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
16:48
<Lns>
Gnoze5: do that! There are bug reports open with OOo and Ubuntu LP if you care to update them with your findings: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315300 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/315300
16:52
<dubkat>
Lns: ubuntu 11.04
16:55
<Lns>
dubkat: that Launchpad bug I pasted had someone just ask me about 11.04 and if it still happened..it would help if you were able to test that out
16:55
I don't work for the place where I was having the issue anymore, so I can't test it
17:17yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) joined #ltsp.
17:38
18:22Ahmuck (~quietly@24.225.23.50) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
19:31Ahmuck (~quietly@24.225.23.50) joined #ltsp.
20:04[GuS] (~MysT@186.19.173.126) joined #ltsp.
20:04[GuS] (~MysT@186.19.173.126) left irc: Changing host
20:04[GuS] (~MysT@unaffiliated/gus/x-663402) joined #ltsp.
20:09Lns (~Lns@76-191-128-251.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) joined #ltsp.
20:09Lns (~Lns@76-191-128-251.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net) left irc: Changing host
20:09Lns (~Lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) joined #ltsp.
20:19stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) left irc: Quit: Changing server
20:22zamba (marius@flage.org) left irc: Ping timeout: 260 seconds
20:23zamba (marius@flage.org) joined #ltsp.
20:33stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) joined #ltsp.
20:34stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) left irc: Client Quit
20:36stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) joined #ltsp.
20:39stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) left irc: Client Quit
20:39drdata (~drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) joined #ltsp.
20:41stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) joined #ltsp.
20:44Ahmuck (~quietly@24.225.23.50) left irc: Remote host closed the connection
21:01drdata (drdata@pool-173-57-189-158.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) left #ltsp.
21:14primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) got netsplit.
21:14[GuS] (~MysT@unaffiliated/gus/x-663402) got netsplit.
21:14yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) got netsplit.
21:14abeehc (~bob@d50-98-57-66.bchsia.telus.net) got netsplit.
21:14dubkat (dubkat@pdpc/supporter/base/dubkat) got netsplit.
21:14loathing (~khudson@69.43.168.134) got netsplit.
21:14klausade (~klaus@cm-84.215.171.127.getinternet.no) got netsplit.
21:14Hyperbyte (~jan@middelkoop.cc) got netsplit.
21:14Mava (~Mava@a91-154-45-79.elisa-laajakaista.fi) got netsplit.
21:14spectra_ (~spectra@spectra-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net) got netsplit.
21:14mgariepy (~mgariepy@ubuntu/member/mgariepy) got netsplit.
21:14highvoltage (~highvolta@ubuntu/member/highvoltage) got netsplit.
21:14LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) got netsplit.
21:14mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) got netsplit.
21:14jhutchins (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) got netsplit.
21:14KBme (~KBme@2001:470:cabe:666:666:666:666:666) got netsplit.
21:14veloutin (~vvinet@2001:470:8829:1000:227:eff:fe25:ee64) got netsplit.
21:14Lns (~Lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) got netsplit.
21:14oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) got netsplit.
21:14ry (~ry@static-71-183-64-28.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) got netsplit.
21:14Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@a79-168-111-5.cpe.netcabo.pt) got netsplit.
21:14leio (~leio@gentoo/developer/leio) got netsplit.
21:14sakhi (~sakhi@uwcfw.uwc.ac.za) got netsplit.
21:14F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) got netsplit.
21:14knipwim (~wim@ip4da83870.direct-adsl.nl) got netsplit.
21:14stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) got netsplit.
21:14muppis (muppis@viuhka.fi) got netsplit.
21:14elias_a (elias@hilla.kapsi.fi) got netsplit.
21:14andygraybeal (~andy.gray@obsidian.casanueva.com) got netsplit.
21:14dlezcano (~dlezcano@AToulouse-159-1-94-65.w92-136.abo.wanadoo.fr) got netsplit.
21:14Lumiere (~jstraw@cpe-70-117-27-227.satx.res.rr.com) got netsplit.
21:14dberkholz (~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz) got netsplit.
21:14sutula (sutula@nat/hp/x-sgpvtilqxgdbilur) got netsplit.
21:14loather-work (~khudson@internal-nat.djnetworks.net) got netsplit.
21:14spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) got netsplit.
21:14shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5) got netsplit.
21:14kusznir (~kusznir@casas-net.ailab.wsu.edu) got netsplit.
21:14siraj (~siraj@plexyplanet.org) got netsplit.
21:14sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) got netsplit.
21:14vlt (~dm@suez.activ-job.com) got netsplit.
21:14zamba (marius@flage.org) got netsplit.
21:14alexqwesa_ (~alex@109.172.10.32) got netsplit.
21:14_UsUrPeR_ (~jsass@fw.acurrus.com) got netsplit.
21:14ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got netsplit.
21:14monteslu (~monteslu@ip68-109-170-79.ph.ph.cox.net) got netsplit.
21:14Appiah (~appiah@ip69.hethane.riksnet.nu) got netsplit.
21:14map7 (~map7@teksup41.lnk.telstra.net) got netsplit.
21:14bencer (~bencer@heal.cauterized.net) got netsplit.
21:25dberkholz (~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz) got lost in the net-split.
21:25loather-work (~khudson@internal-nat.djnetworks.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25loathing (~khudson@69.43.168.134) got lost in the net-split.
21:25elias_a (elias@hilla.kapsi.fi) got lost in the net-split.
21:25vlt (~dm@suez.activ-job.com) got lost in the net-split.
21:25sutula (sutula@nat/hp/x-sgpvtilqxgdbilur) got lost in the net-split.
21:25muppis (muppis@viuhka.fi) got lost in the net-split.
21:25siraj (~siraj@plexyplanet.org) got lost in the net-split.
21:25veloutin (~vvinet@2001:470:8829:1000:227:eff:fe25:ee64) got lost in the net-split.
21:25dubkat (dubkat@pdpc/supporter/base/dubkat) got lost in the net-split.
21:25kusznir (~kusznir@casas-net.ailab.wsu.edu) got lost in the net-split.
21:25bencer (~bencer@heal.cauterized.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25KBme (~KBme@2001:470:cabe:666:666:666:666:666) got lost in the net-split.
21:25map7 (~map7@teksup41.lnk.telstra.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25jhutchins (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25klausade (~klaus@cm-84.215.171.127.getinternet.no) got lost in the net-split.
21:25LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) got lost in the net-split.
21:25sakhi (~sakhi@uwcfw.uwc.ac.za) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Appiah (~appiah@ip69.hethane.riksnet.nu) got lost in the net-split.
21:25highvoltage (~highvolta@ubuntu/member/highvoltage) got lost in the net-split.
21:25knipwim (~wim@ip4da83870.direct-adsl.nl) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Lumiere (~jstraw@cpe-70-117-27-227.satx.res.rr.com) got lost in the net-split.
21:25monteslu (~monteslu@ip68-109-170-79.ph.ph.cox.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5) got lost in the net-split.
21:25dlezcano (~dlezcano@AToulouse-159-1-94-65.w92-136.abo.wanadoo.fr) got lost in the net-split.
21:25leio (~leio@gentoo/developer/leio) got lost in the net-split.
21:25ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Mava (~Mava@a91-154-45-79.elisa-laajakaista.fi) got lost in the net-split.
21:25andygraybeal (~andy.gray@obsidian.casanueva.com) got lost in the net-split.
21:25mgariepy (~mgariepy@ubuntu/member/mgariepy) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Hyperbyte (~jan@middelkoop.cc) got lost in the net-split.
21:25_UsUrPeR_ (~jsass@fw.acurrus.com) got lost in the net-split.
21:25spectra_ (~spectra@spectra-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25abeehc (~bob@d50-98-57-66.bchsia.telus.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25alexqwesa_ (~alex@109.172.10.32) got lost in the net-split.
21:25ry (~ry@static-71-183-64-28.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) got lost in the net-split.
21:25F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) got lost in the net-split.
21:25sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@a79-168-111-5.cpe.netcabo.pt) got lost in the net-split.
21:25primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) got lost in the net-split.
21:25mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) got lost in the net-split.
21:25spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) got lost in the net-split.
21:25yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) got lost in the net-split.
21:25[GuS] (~MysT@unaffiliated/gus/x-663402) got lost in the net-split.
21:25Lns (~Lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) got lost in the net-split.
21:25zamba (marius@flage.org) got lost in the net-split.
21:25stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) got lost in the net-split.
21:45cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) joined #ltsp.
21:45sep (~sep@40.211.jostedal.no) joined #ltsp.
21:45stgraber (~stgraber@ubuntu/member/stgraber) joined #ltsp.
21:45yanu (~yanu@lugwv/member/yanu) joined #ltsp.
21:45zamba (marius@flage.org) joined #ltsp.
21:45Lns (~Lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) joined #ltsp.
21:45spectra (~spectra@debian/developer/spectra) joined #ltsp.
21:45mistik1 (mistik1@unaffiliated/mistik1) joined #ltsp.
21:45Gnoze5 (~Gnoze5@a79-168-111-5.cpe.netcabo.pt) joined #ltsp.
21:45F-GT (~phantom@ppp59-167-136-109.static.internode.on.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45oh207 (~oh207@nylug/member/oh207) joined #ltsp.
21:45ry (~ry@static-71-183-64-28.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45alexqwesa_ (~alex@109.172.10.32) joined #ltsp.
21:45abeehc (~bob@d50-98-57-66.bchsia.telus.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45spectra_ (~spectra@spectra-1-pt.tunnel.tserv9.chi1.ipv6.he.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45_UsUrPeR_ (~jsass@fw.acurrus.com) joined #ltsp.
21:45Hyperbyte (~jan@middelkoop.cc) joined #ltsp.
21:45mgariepy (~mgariepy@ubuntu/member/mgariepy) joined #ltsp.
21:45andygraybeal (~andy.gray@obsidian.casanueva.com) joined #ltsp.
21:45Mava (~Mava@a91-154-45-79.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #ltsp.
21:45ogra_ (~ogra@p5098ed03.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #ltsp.
21:45leio (~leio@gentoo/developer/leio) joined #ltsp.
21:45dlezcano (~dlezcano@AToulouse-159-1-94-65.w92-136.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #ltsp.
21:45shogunx (~shogunx@2001:4978:106:1:21e:33ff:fe47:32f5) joined #ltsp.
21:45monteslu (~monteslu@ip68-109-170-79.ph.ph.cox.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45Lumiere (~jstraw@cpe-70-117-27-227.satx.res.rr.com) joined #ltsp.
21:45knipwim (~wim@ip4da83870.direct-adsl.nl) joined #ltsp.
21:45highvoltage (~highvolta@ubuntu/member/highvoltage) joined #ltsp.
21:45Appiah (~appiah@ip69.hethane.riksnet.nu) joined #ltsp.
21:45sakhi (~sakhi@uwcfw.uwc.ac.za) joined #ltsp.
21:45LoveStorm (Storm@217.18.70.231) joined #ltsp.
21:45klausade (~klaus@cm-84.215.171.127.getinternet.no) joined #ltsp.
21:45jhutchins (~jonathan@64-151-37-66.dyn.everestkc.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45map7 (~map7@teksup41.lnk.telstra.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45KBme (~KBme@2001:470:cabe:666:666:666:666:666) joined #ltsp.
21:45bencer (~bencer@heal.cauterized.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45kusznir (~kusznir@casas-net.ailab.wsu.edu) joined #ltsp.
21:45dubkat (dubkat@pdpc/supporter/base/dubkat) joined #ltsp.
21:45veloutin (~vvinet@2001:470:8829:1000:227:eff:fe25:ee64) joined #ltsp.
21:45siraj (~siraj@plexyplanet.org) joined #ltsp.
21:45muppis (muppis@viuhka.fi) joined #ltsp.
21:45sutula (sutula@nat/hp/x-sgpvtilqxgdbilur) joined #ltsp.
21:45vlt (~dm@suez.activ-job.com) joined #ltsp.
21:45elias_a (elias@hilla.kapsi.fi) joined #ltsp.
21:45loathing (~khudson@69.43.168.134) joined #ltsp.
21:45loather-work (~khudson@internal-nat.djnetworks.net) joined #ltsp.
21:45dberkholz (~dberkholz@gentoo/developer/dberkholz) joined #ltsp.
21:45primeministerp (~ppouliot@64.119.153.82) joined #ltsp.
21:47html_inprogress (~lee@173-29-215-92.client.mchsi.com) joined #ltsp.
22:36Lumiere (~jstraw@cpe-70-117-27-227.satx.res.rr.com) left irc: Ping timeout: 258 seconds
22:36Lumiere (~jstraw@cpe-70-117-27-227.satx.res.rr.com) joined #ltsp.
23:11cyberorg (~cyberorg@opensuse/member/Cyberorg) left irc: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
23:21html_inprogress (~lee@173-29-215-92.client.mchsi.com) left irc: Quit: Leaving
23:27xet7 (~xet7@a91-156-225-147.elisa-laajakaista.fi) joined #ltsp.
23:29Guerdal82 (~Guerdal82@LLagny-156-35-33-131.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #ltsp.
23:29Guerdal82 (Guerdal82@LLagny-156-35-33-131.w193-251.abo.wanadoo.fr) left #ltsp.
23:57Lns (~Lns@pdpc/supporter/professional/lns) left irc: Quit: Leaving
23:59gnunux (~emmanuel@194.167.18.244) joined #ltsp.
00:00--- Thu May 26 2011