IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 5 December 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<nadio>
Does LTSP support windows boot images as well?
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<wanie_>
cyberorg: i use the networkinstallation minimal disc, but my Suse-release is 10.3 (i586)
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and the location of the mirror is /opensuse/distribution/10.3/repo/oss
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<cyberorg>
wanie_, network install is fine, but needs DVD media
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wanie_, "openSUSE 10.3 i386 DVD media or an iso image - RC1 and above. (KDE/GNOME CDs will not work)"
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as on the wiki, minimal or gnome/kde cds dont have all the required packages
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<wanie_>
cyberorg, ok what can i do no? schould i do a complete newinstallation of the system?
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<cyberorg>
wanie_, system can be minimal/kde/gnome but the installation repository used to create kiwi-ltsp has to be i586 DVD
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<wanie_>
cyberorg, ah... ok
05:14
<cyberorg>
you can run kiwi-ltsp-setup -p to check if prerequisite packages are present on installed system, the packages required inside the chroot are different so you need DVD
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it can be iso mounted somewhere too
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we don't advise internet repo as bad mirrors or connection problem can fail the setup
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<wanie_>
cyberorg, ok, thank you! Then I will report again later :)
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<cyberorg>
wanie_, cool :)
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<ogra>
cyberorg, i heard some complaints about clients not being powerful enough for kiwi-ltsp ... did you hear anything about that ?
05:27
In the meantime I tried SUSE with KIWI LTSP. A very nice Setup for Clients
05:27
and an extra Option for Port 1067.
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But there the Hardware requirements are to hard for my Clients and I had to
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stop this setup as well.
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<cyberorg>
ogra, yes, it requires minimum 128mb ram :(
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<ogra>
oh
05:28* ogra didnt know
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<cyberorg>
ogra, we are trying to slim down our initrd, it stands at 14MB (we managed to cut that down from default 24)
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<ogra>
wow
05:29
ours is 4M
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<cyberorg>
ogra, distro one is 3.9M /boot/initrd-2.6.22.13-0.3-default
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the kiwi netboot one is what is big, as it does lot of other kind of thin clients (wyse)
05:34
ogra, to be honest, i don't think kiwi-ltsp is tested on most of disklessworkstation hardware at all, i test it using my laptop as a client, vmware, one old celeron with 128mb ram and few via chipset with 256mb ram
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<ogra>
thats how i started as well once ...
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<ogra>
took me a year to get it booting on 64M
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s/64/48/
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<ogra>
now we support down to 24M
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<ogra>
(even though 24 is no fun at all)
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lots of network swapping involved ... really only usable if you put your swapfiles in a tmpfs ...
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<cyberorg>
ogra, i once had entire office running on 16mb ram (ltsp 4.2)
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<cyberorg>
*one each workstation :)
05:38
took me couple of months to get 128mb machine working, i know performance can be improved on that and where to cut the flab, but haven't got around to it yet
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<wanie_>
cyberorg, my client have just 128 mb ram and 266 MHz... does the machine really run with kiwi-ltsp?
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<cyberorg>
wanie_, not tested, let me know if it works :)
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<ogra>
cyberorg, to test just set MEM=128M as kernel commandline option in your pxe default file :)
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or MEM=64M :)
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<cyberorg>
ogra, i have tested on 128mb machine, it works, not on 266mhz
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<livrerj>
hello
08:15
i cant boot my thin client, the error is "mounting 10.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /network/nfsroot failed: invelid argument"
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<jammcq>
g'morning folks
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<ogra>
yo jammcq
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<livrerj>
i've searched google, and i found out that it could be a /etc/hosts problem... well, i setup my server with 10.0.0.1 livrerj-desktop at /etc/hosts, and domain name "livrerj-desktop" at dhcpd.conf
08:17
its not working
08:17
can u help me?
08:17
jammcq, btw, hi :)
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<livrerj>
guys ?
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<Nubae>
hey there...
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<livrerj>
hi nubae
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<Nubae>
is it normal that tuxmath uses about 20% cpu time per session
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<livrerj>
dunno
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<ogra>
yes, tuxmath is using SDL-GL ... thats very network hungry
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as it renders locally on the server and then shovels the images over the net
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its nearly as bad as flash movies
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<johnny>
candidate for local app i guess?
08:21
mornin folks
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my power === back on
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<livrerj>
hey
08:22
dont u know my problem?
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i dunno where to search the solution, only here
08:22* ogra could only help with ltsp5 here
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<jammcq>
livrerj: I haven't seen what your problem is
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<johnny>
certainly ltsp5 only here
08:23* jammcq knows a little bit about ltsp-4.2
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<johnny>
luckily ltsp5 was ready by the time i got involved
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<livrerj>
jammcq, i cant boot my thin client, the error is "mounting 10.0.0.1:/opt/ltsp-4.2/i386 on /network/nfsroot failed: invalid argument"
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<ogra>
your nfs server is up ?
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<jammcq>
livrerj: on the server, so this: showmount -e
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that'll tell us if nfs is up and running
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<livrerj>
jammcq, well, showmount -e like crashed, i had to use ctrl c to exit
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but i can mount the nfs using another pc
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i tried it already
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<jammcq>
crashed?
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<livrerj>
yep, this commands gave me nothing, even the shell... i mean, i typed and its running till now
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<jammcq>
do this: ifconfig -a
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and paste the results to the pastebot
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<livrerj>
jammcq, http://pastebin.com/m4ecd63cd
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<Gadi>
morning, all
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<ogra>
where is 10.0.0.1 ?
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<livrerj>
jammcq, to test the enviroment i have to change my /etc/networking/interfaces
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<Gadi>
ogra: that deb pkg on the logout bug forldm was compiled with libs from hardy - lol
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<livrerj>
the server has only 1 network card
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<Gadi>
I patched a gutsy versionand am trying that one today
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<ogra>
Gadi, i said so yesterday, yes
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<livrerj>
i have to choose, internet or test hehe
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<Gadi>
ah, sorry
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<ogra>
:)
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<Gadi>
didnt pay attention, I guess
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<livrerj>
when i join internet this is my local area network ip
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<Gadi>
:)
08:31
I found a new way of using ltspfs btw
08:31
I used it last night to reboot terminals :)
08:31
talk about a hack!
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<ogra>
eeek
08:31
how that ?
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<Gadi>
I ltspfs mounted /proc on the terminal
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<ogra>
oh crap
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<Gadi>
and then did an: echo b > $MNT/sysrq-trigger
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<ogra>
we need to exclude that
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<jammcq>
livrerj: what distro are you using?
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<Gadi>
:)
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<livrerj>
ubuntu feisty
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<ogra>
Gadi, can you file a bug with high prio ?
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<Gadi>
I think you need to do it as root, tho
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<ogra>
livrerj, you shouldnt use 4.2 there
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<Gadi>
so I dont think its too bad a hole
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<ogra>
ah well, its still a flaw
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<Gadi>
yeah
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<jammcq>
livrerj: try this: rpcinfo -p
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<Gadi>
if I have a spare 32 secs Ill file a bug
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<ogra>
but we should deny root anyway, ltspfsmounter should get a check
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Gadi, thx
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<livrerj>
jammcq, nfs is running
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normal, on port 2049
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<jammcq>
and mountd ?
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<livrerj>
too
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<jammcq>
and yet, showmount -e hangs ?
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<livrerj>
yes :( could it be something with my ip ?
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<ogra>
livrerj, how did you install ltsp4.2 on feisty ? note that 4.2 and 5 installed together will break
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<livrerj>
should i change to the test network?
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<ogra>
and feisty usually only has ltsp4
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err
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ltsp5
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<jammcq>
livrerj: yes, but then can you talk on irc ?
08:34
<livrerj>
jammcq, no :(
08:34
ogra, i saw 4.2 working and 5 not
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jammcq, should i have a kind of dns server installed w
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?
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bind
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?
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<jammcq>
no
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<johnny>
i did.. made my life much easier :)
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<ogra>
livrerj, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall ltsp5 will work out of the box with these two commands
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anyway, 4.2 will work if yu dont have any ltsp5 pieces installed
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<livrerj>
ogra, i tried to follow a tutorial, the thin client works, but it screwed up my customization... im using feisty customized... understood?
08:37* ogra still doesnt understand the reason for using unmaintained software though
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<ogra>
livrerj, i do, its just that ltsp 4.2 isnt maintained anymore ...
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<livrerj>
=/
08:37* ogra would have helped with customization ... but well
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<jammcq>
livrerj: your best option is probably to remove /opt/ltsp, and install ltsp-5 using ogra's documentation
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<livrerj>
but what about my gdm theme, and my desktop theme? programs installed... i dont want it to be different to thin clients
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<ogra>
thin clients only run X and the login manager
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your desktop comes from the server with whatever apps you have installed
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdubuntuFAQ has a section about how to customize the ldm theme
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<livrerj>
ogra, ok, so, if i follow your documentation in my desktop, then i plug a thin client on it, will i be capable of login with my user there and see the same things, like desktop theme and even the gdm theme ?
08:40
<ogra>
no
08:40
we dont use gdm in ltsp5
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but you can easily customize ldm with your theme
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<livrerj>
so, i saw ltsp4.2 working with the same gdm theme, using xdmcp
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<ogra>
right
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<livrerj>
thats what i need
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<johnny>
xdmcp is oldschool now
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for thin clients
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<ogra>
we dont use XDMCP either :)
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<livrerj>
ldm is so ugly guys
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<ogra>
since you can just read all passwords in cleartext
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<livrerj>
what u mean?
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<ogra>
i admit the feisty one wasnt a beauty, thats why we rewrote it completely in gutsy
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<johnny>
the feisty one wasn't bad imo
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<ogra>
XDMCP just sends all data over the net in cleartext
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<livrerj>
omg i didnt know
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<johnny>
then again i'd be happywith just a black or white screenwith dialog
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<ogra>
i wouldnt do homebanking on a thin client with it
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or even log in
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<johnny>
altho .. i don't like the seperate user/pass dialogs
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<ogra>
you can sniff screenshots from the data with xwd :)
08:42* johnny doesn't know how that helps..
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<ogra>
johnny, the first ldm was like that :)
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<jammcq>
johnny: I agree with you there
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<ogra>
it had a 200x50 pixel gtk window on a black background
08:43* johnny needs to pay somebody to implement a timed login with ldm..
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<johnny>
would that be accepted by folks if i made that happen?
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<ogra>
sure
08:43
if its safe
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we wont accept *every* hackish solution :) but if its implemented properly
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johnny, sonds like it would be an easy enhancement to the autologin code
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<johnny>
SNOW!!!!!
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it's SNOWING!
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<ogra>
not here (luckily)
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actually we have +9°C atm
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no snow ... not even virtually
08:46* ogra hopes germany gets around snom this year ... last we had a week or two
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<ogra>
*snow
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<livrerj>
its very serious this security issue
08:51
well, im moving to 5 then
08:52
if i login with my localuser throght the thin client, will i see my desktop as i setup in server?
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<johnny>
yes
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<ogra>
there are no user on the client :)
08:52* johnny wishes sabayon would stop crashing
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<ogra>
*users
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<johnny>
but it might be fault..
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who knows
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<ogra>
johnny, bugs bugs bugs ... file them so i can solve them in hardy at least
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<johnny>
now i remember.. i need to see if i can replicate it on gentoo too
08:54* ogra needs to reboot to hardy ... brb
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<livrerj>
hey ppl, i tried this ltsp5, and i saw that the colors was weird
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at the login screen, like 16 colors ssystem
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is that correct or i made something wrong
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<johnny>
ogra is very hardy.. like a heron
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cuz they are known for their hardiness
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<ogra>
heh
09:12* ogra would prefer to drop the last n from the release name for 8.04 though :)
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<johnny>
heh.. hardy hero :)
09:12
that sounds like the ubuntu team to me
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<powernet_>
my collegue told me to inform you that lpt_clients_manager have a new version with static ip assignment at this link http://webash.virtuale.googlepages.com/ltsp_clients_manager.tar.gz
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<prpplague>
jammcq: i didn't get to tell you last night before you left, i did a proof-of-concept ltsp terminal with the Hammer board
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jammcq: the whole system fit in a box just a little bigger than an altoid case
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jammcq: oh and some one has the amd decTOP on sale for $99
09:34* prpplague gets the url
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<prpplague>
jammcq: https://store.dataevolution.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=DT%2D7002
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jammcq: buy three at $99 get one free
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<Blinny>
prpplague: Hmm. I think maybe you save $99 off the list price of $396
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<prpplague>
Blinny: hehe read again
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<Blinny>
Oh wait that's the bundle!
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<prpplague>
Blinny: they are nice units, back when AMD was selling them to Cable & Wireless as an internet terminal i had a couple to tinker with
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<Blinny>
How do they work with 4.2?
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<prpplague>
Blinny: 4.2 what? ltsp? if so i have no clue
10:03* prpplague hasn't used ltsp in ages
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<prpplague>
i just visit #ltsp to pest jammcq sometimes
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s/pest/pester
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<Blinny>
Ok
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<jammcq>
prpplague: looks Waaaaay cool
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<prpplague>
jammcq: not that anyone would ever use it as a ltsp client, but i figured i've give it a try
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<MasterOne>
doesn't look like such a decTOP can be used as a thin client, because it has no network adapter on its own, but comes with a usb-ethernet adapter, and I doubt it can be netbooted this way
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: yea, you'd need to either use a hd image or boot from something like an internal cf card
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<MasterOne>
doesn't make any sense on a LTSP5 server
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: why's that?
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<MasterOne>
oh, you mean something to boot to get the ethernet adapter recognized, followed by the netboot
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looks like some fiddling
10:31
but the price is indeed very tempting
10:31
that just 50 € each + P&P
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: yea, basically same type of procedure as used for wireless booting
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<daduke>
sonjag: hey Sonja, have you found a network monitoring solution yet?
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<sonjag>
daduke, sadly, no! It's been too nutz here lately. Linux holding up well though! Can you remind me of the name of the 2 you told me about? I should jump back on that and get something in place!
10:43
<daduke>
jammcq, prpplague, MasterOne: you might want to have a look at http://www.wdlsystems.com/modperl/view_services.cgi?r=detail&prod_num=1EBOX23&aisle_id=1006 too
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<daduke>
sonjag: sure. The one we use is bb4.com, and then there's nagios, http://pandora.sourceforge.net/en/index.php and http://sourceforge.net/projects/zenoss/
10:47* prpplague looks
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<prpplague>
HA
10:47
daduke: not that i'm buying any TC's any time soon, but i don't think i want to do business with ICOP, hehe
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<daduke>
prpplague: dunno what/who ICOP is, but we have 'em here and they're nice.
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<MasterOne>
daduke, that ebox comes at a higher price, has less CPU power, and consumes more energy
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<prpplague>
daduke: ICOP is the manufactuer of the that ebox
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<sonjag>
daduke, Thanks!
10:50
<daduke>
MasterOne: yes, but has netboot capability, the price is actually lower (if you don't get the Xmas special), and the case is nicer ;)
10:50
<prpplague>
daduke: ICOP was the company i had do the initial production of the TCSX-1 , the quality control was terrible
10:50
<MasterOne>
it has 128MB soldered
10:50
<Blinny>
heh
10:50
soldering in memory
10:50* prpplague is the one that got ICOP into doing thin clients
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<MasterOne>
daduke, looks like the decTOP is the better product
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<daduke>
MasterOne: just wanted to mention it, we have good experience.
10:52* daduke is outta here...
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<MasterOne>
;)
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<prpplague>
hehe, looking at their website, they still sell the tcsx-2 and tcsx-3 under different names
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jammcq: still not sure why greg just gave them the designs
10:53
tcsx-2 http://www.icop.com.tw/products_detail.asp?ProductID=134
10:54* MasterOne is wondering if AMD Geode video comes to a hardware limit with 1600x1200@85, or if 1920x1200@60 is possible as well
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<prpplague>
tcsx-3 http://www.icop.com.tw/products_detail.asp?ProductID=76
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<prpplague>
original tcsx-1 info - http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS8485254374.html
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<sonjag>
I'm having trouble with some machines needing 3 or 4 reboots to boot all the way up. They go through and get an IP, connect to my TS, then I get "Can't read CTR while initializing i8042" and repeated failed attempts to connect to NFS. I do use a separate NFS server for home folders, but didn't think it was touched until login. Any ideas?
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<MasterOne>
prpplague, those units are pretty pointless, because they have that less CPU power, that you can't use ssh encryption
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: depends on what you want to do with them, but we used ssh connections with out a problem
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: but we also were running only a few apps
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<MasterOne>
I mean ssh encrypted communication with the LTSP5 server
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: yea, i'm not familiar with LTSP5, but at the time we were running ssh encrypted tunnels from the client to server using vtun
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11:00* prpplague has been out of the thin client biz for about 4 years
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<MasterOne>
prpplague, than it's the right time to jump in again, LTSP5 is pretty amazing
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: i don't think so, back then i was paid to do thin client dev, changed companies, now i get paid to do handheld dev
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<MasterOne>
but seriously, can someone comment on how such a decTOP with AMD Geode GX 366MHz CPU would do as a LTSP5 thin client?
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: just kinda have a look-see every once in a while just to see whats out there
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MasterOne: well i can't comment on the ltsp5 usability, but as a standalone linux box, they are pretty darn good for surfin the web and doing a basic office stuff
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<MasterOne>
I mean $74,25 for such a whole unit is cheaper than a mini-itx case alone
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<prpplague>
MasterOne: indeed, and don't forget it comes with a mouse and keyboard
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<MasterOne>
damned, if you hadn't mentioned that device, I wouldn't already check for chipping rates ;)
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<prpplague>
hehe
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<lns>
sonjag, after > 4 months of grueling pain and agony, I have personally come to the conclusion that there is NO way for 35 thin-clients to simultaneously use flash and/or shockwave at the same time from a single 64-bit ubuntu LTSP server, due to... 1) CPU utilization being way too high.... and 2) Sound being extremely difficult (if not impossible) to set up with reasonable results, either with libflashplugin compilation on AMD64 (just doesn't seem to work, even whe
11:26
n it seems like it should) or using crossover office (sound is way too choppy with shockwave, pluginserver.exe crashes frequently)... *sighs*
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oops, didn't mean to direct it toward you sonjag ;)
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<johnny_>
you prolly need to setup local apps..
11:27
whenever that is stable
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<lns>
johnny, that's what I'm thinking too... but for now it's pretty much impossible, which sucks, because (unfortunately) there are a few key shockwave director/flash enabled websites that are a dealbreaker for my 6 installations.
11:28
<johnny_>
needa get some hackers on it
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<lns>
I tried gnash too...just not stable/compatible enough yet
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johnny, tell me who and i'll pay them =)
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<prpplague>
daduke_: re
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<lns>
Heh... googling "LTSP shockwave" renders a second result which is my Adobe forum posting about LTSP. =p
11:31
Guess that means a lot of people have read it
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<daduke_>
prpplague: missed anything? I'm at home now.
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<r3zon8>
is setting client side applications worth the time?
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<johnny_>
depends
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i'm going to set them up most likely
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because firefox is a hog
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<scrapbunny>
hi there. is there a program that lets you look at all the processes running on all clients from a client logged in as an administor?
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<johnny_>
system monitor
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or just top
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<scrapbunny>
system monitor is only showing the processes for each client
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<Blinny>
lns: Have you tried the recently-released (earlier this week) plugin ver 9 that supports threading?
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<johnny_>
isn't that way you said?
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err asked
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<sgonzalez>
Anyone out there using Nagios? I'm following the install directions, and it tells me to install sudo apt-get install libgd2-dev. It says that it has no installation candidate and that it's a virtual package provided by libgd2-noxpm-dev 2.0.34~rc1-2ubuntu1.1. Not sure what that means and not sure what to try. Also interested if anyone recommends another sys monitor tool over Nagios.
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<johnny_>
if you don't understand that, i doubt you'll understand the monitoring it would give you..
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then again, i haven't tried nagios yet
12:52
<Q-FUNK>
guys, how was it that I can enable ssh to the client's chroot to debug X?
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<sutula>
Q-FUNK: Install ssh in the chroot
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<Q-FUNK>
fails because of missing /dev/pts mount
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<ogra>
dont forget to mount proc ;)
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<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: mount /proc in the chroot
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<ogra>
and to unmount it before leaving
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<Q-FUNK>
oh
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hm
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<Q-FUNK>
ah, that's better :)
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hm, how can I prevent packages that want to restart their deamon from failing?
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invoke-rc.d: initscript acpid, action "start" failed.
13:02* johnny_ much prefers how portage operates
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<Gadi>
Q-FUNK: if you mount proc it should succeed no?
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<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: it failed for that
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<Q-FUNK>
at least for acpid it did
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<Gadi>
hmm... Ive installed acpid in the chroot before...
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does the install error out or is it a warning?
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<Q-FUNK>
hm
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odd
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it works if I don't mount /proc
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<Q-FUNK>
hm. ok, I changed the root password in the chroot and installed openssh-server, but I still cannot get a conenction.
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<sutula>
Q-FUNK: Did you try ssh -v (or -vv or -vvv) to see where it's getting hung up? Could be a DNS or hostname issue.
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<Q-FUNK>
it says connection refused
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I'm using the client's IP
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definitely not DNS related
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<sutula>
Q-FUNK: So that would be controlled by the settings in e.g. the client's /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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<Q-FUNK>
identical to those working on a default ubuntu install, which works on a live host.
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<sutula>
Q-FUNK: Strange...on my Debian Etch server, I just "apt-get install ssh" in the chroot, and it has worked fine after setting the root password
13:26* sutula suspects openssh-server would have been sufficient
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<lns>
Blinny, would the new Flash release fix *any* problems at all with sound on AMD64 platforms?
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<Blinny>
lns: No.
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<lns>
Blinny, well...then i'm still screwed. =p
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<Blinny>
But it does address performance issues.
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<MasterOne>
lns, adobe doesn't really seem to care much, that's why I reverted my LTSP5 server from 64bit back to 32bit, not only because of the flash issue, but also because of missing functional java-browserplugin (and NO, icedtea is not working)
13:31* sutula thinks, "it doesn't work faster" :)
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<lns>
MasterOne, actually there's a "doko" repository that has a working icedtea version. I've verified this.
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<MasterOne>
lns, I tried that version, but it did not work on the sites I need it
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<lns>
sutula, I just did about 30min of research on the actual performance "gains" on 64-bit vs 32-bit...the only thing I'm worried about is having to compile a custom kernel to address my full 8GB RAM. Other than that, I'd be willing to re-install.
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<MasterOne>
pretty poor, I mean it's not really that 64bit is anything new around
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<lns>
MasterOne, I agree wholeheartedly... but there just seems like there's nothing we can do about it.
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<MasterOne>
lns, isn't *ubuntu's standard kernel with PAE support anyway?
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<lns>
MasterOne, don't know
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I'm pretty sure that Dapper didn't have it OOTB
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<lns>
that's the last time I tried
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<MasterOne>
nevertheless, it's just not worth the troubles to go 64bit on a LTSP server (same rules as for a desktop install)
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<lns>
MasterOne, that's the only thing I was wondering..i mean, 35-50 users on a single server and NO performance gains from using 64-bit, even solely with the kernel?
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<MasterOne>
so even a custom kernel with PAE would make more sense, than to go 64bit
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<Blinny>
Why not run just a 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit OS?
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<lns>
that's where I'm leaning at this point...its just too much (unbillable) time for me at this point, I've been working at getting the $&@#ing flash and shockwave director plugins going, and that's the only thing holding me back
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Blinny, that's possible?
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<Blinny>
Sure.
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<lns>
Interesting
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<MasterOne>
I am glad, I went back to 32bit, my server has just 3GB RAM, and that way flash & java-plugin are working as supposed to
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<Blinny>
At least, Fedora people are doing it with 4.2 on k12ltsp
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<lns>
At this point I'm just *done* with feeling like I'm trying to build a castle out of a card deck with getting 32-bit functionality out of a 64-bit server.
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<Blinny>
I have 8GB in mine and fortunately have yet to take the plunge to ubuntu - I run a fully-native 64-bit OS, with 32-bit FF and plugins
13:37
Admittedly, it is a PITA to try all the possible permutations to work around this.
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lns: Are you sure it's a 32/64 thing and not, say a pulse audio or alsa problem?
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<lns>
Blinny, at least with flash, yes...I've heard tons of people "just installing" the libflashsupport.deb for i386 and flash sound working. I've compiled libflashsupport manually and installed but still no dice. I guess it *could* be pulse/alsa related but i've been troubleshooting for MONTHS and I can't figure it out.
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I actually got sound to partially work with sw director but it was very choppy, and crossover has issues with allowing me to use NAS as a sound device on the server.
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In the end, it's not as much of a problem with arch OR sound, as much as it is with Adobe products
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but i'm just venting at this point, i have to find a solution
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<Blinny>
I have yet to try a 64-bit gutsy so all I have is other-people's-experiences
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*Nod*
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<lns>
that's fine, that's all i have to go off of too.
13:43
does anyone know how i can verify that pulse is correctly set-up and working for all LTSP users? I did an upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy, and I thought I did everything correctly, as sound works with everything else but flash/sw director.
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<wanie_>
someone here that can helps me with kiwi-ltsp?
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<wanie_>
the configuration on the server worked really fine, but my client stopp's after the output "starting X Font Server - done"
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the client have 160 MB ram, but an cpu with just 300 MHz... maybe this can be the problem?
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<lns>
How do I get LDM to kick a login attempt back to the username prompt after a single password/username failure in Gutsy? I need it to work like it did in Feisty and not try the password 3x (like if a student types in her/his username wrong)
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<johnny>
it's a bug
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<lns>
johnny, woo! nice.
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has it been filed under LP?
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<johnny>
no
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or maybe it has
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go look
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i just know they know about it
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and that it is going to be fixed :)
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<Gadi>
lns: I never tested this, but... try adding: MaxAuthTries 1 to the server's /etc/ssh/sshd_config file and then sudo /etc/init.d/ssh restart on the server
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that should make ldm only try once
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er, bring back the Feisty functionality
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<lns>
Gadi, ok, I'll do that right now - not onsite but have remote access. I'll ask the teacher on-site to try it out.
15:16
Thanks!
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<johnny>
hmm.. interesting idea Gadi !
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<Gadi>
let us know if it works
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<johnny>
maybe ltsp should run it's own ssh ..
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<lns>
johnny, I don't see why that would be necessary
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<johnny>
cuz of possible useful customizations..
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but.. hopefully ldm will be fixed in any case
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<lns>
I would see it as much more of a burden to support a customized ssh daemon in LTSP than to just fix the bug... ;)
15:20
possible fix applied, e-mailed teacher, waiting on response.
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<Gadi>
lns: if you can ssh into the server, do a quick test that if you put in the wrong password it doesnt ask again
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<lns>
ok
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<Gadi>
scotty did a great job writing a proper frontend to ssh - almost too great a job ;)
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<lns>
Affirmative.
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scotty ftw!
15:23
man i love remote access
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now if i can only get remote thin-client access with sound...i'll never leave my office. ;)
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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<r3zon8>
what distro do most of you run ltsp on?
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<r3zon8>
ive been using fedora for a couple years now, and im wondering if the other distros would be better
15:30
faster, more importantly
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<johnny>
seems like ubuntu/edubuntu
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i doubt many more will be faster
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<jammcq>
hey kidz
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<rcy>
should kernel log messages from my clients be going to my ltsp server with ltsp 5?
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i cant find them on the client or the server
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<cliebow_>
jammcq!!!!hey big guy!!
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<jammcq>
hey chuck
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<cliebow_>
plowing along??
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<jammcq>
oh yes
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<cliebow_>
heh
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<lns>
rcy, did you create a root password on the chroot?
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they're on the client
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<cliebow_>
im heading for home..try out my cable ethernet..had to ditch the phone to pay for it..i think my weirds science wireless was faster 8~)
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<jammcq>
heh
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oooh, no more wireless?
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<cliebow_>
just in the house ..
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bbl
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<rcy>
lns: yes i did
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creat a root password
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<lns>
rcy, well then CTL+ALT+F1 on a thin-client, log in as root and examine /var/log
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that should have everything you need
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<rcy>
all my log files are 0 length, kern.log, syslog, messages in particular
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i suspect they are trying to log to the server, maybe, im trying to figure out how its configured
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<lns>
rcy, did you try the 'dmesg' command?
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<rcy>
dmesg is full of nice stuff
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but i need to trap kern.log errors on the client... im using the clients to test hardware
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<lns>
hmm.. not sure on that one. Maybe look at /opt/ltsp/arch/etc/syslog.conf ... ?
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<Gadi>
rcy: have you enabled remote logging on the server's syslog?
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(edit /etc/default/syslog)
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<Gadi>
(and restart sysklogd)
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<rcy>
Gadi: yeah, i added -r to my syslog flags on the server. what controls remote logging on the client side? id like to turn that off, ideally
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<Gadi>
there's an lts.conf param, I believe
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SYSLOG
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<rcy>
ahh
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where is tfm, btw. i have real trouble finding documentation for ltsp in one place
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<Gadi>
read the note in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf
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<rcy>
ah, cool, thanks
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<lns>
rcy, the "official" documentation is in package 'edubuntu-docs'
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although it seems to lack a bit in extensive lts.conf parms
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<rcy>
yeah the edubuntu handbook rocks
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thanks, i think im on track with the syslog stuff
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<lns>
Gadi, here's the response regarding the sshd_config username/password/LDM thing:
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"I tried to log onto the system with a weird user name and it just hung up on verifying the password for about three minutes and then blacks out and asks for the user name again."
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<Gadi>
ok, and if you put in the correct password/
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<lns>
Gadi, I'll reply and ask her to do that
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Gadi, my teacher says "It logs in fine."
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<Gadi>
lns: gr8
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<janet>
can someone give me a hand? I just installed some software and went to umount proc and I am getting : umount: /proc: device is busy
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<Gadi>
that kinda fits the bill
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<lns>
lol
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oops...sorry
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janet, why would you want to unmount /proc? It's kinda necessary for running the system
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<janet>
lns, i just was installing system in chroot... need to unmount it to update image for client
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<lns>
janet, you're talking about the client chroot for LTSP, I assume
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you don't "mount" or "unmount" the client chroot on the server at all to update the image - just run ltsp-update-image (if that's what your goal is, anyway..i might be misunderstanding)
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<janet>
lns you do need to mount /proc for doing some installs when in chroot and ltsp-update-image should unmount it for you but it can't in this case
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<lns>
janet, well that's over my head, unfortunately.. not sure why it can't.
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<janet>
ok i guess i'll restart the server? thx ne way
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<Gadi>
ogra: ping
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sbalneav: u here?
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<jammcq>
hey Gadi
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<Gadi>
hey, jammcq
17:07
played with ltsp much?
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;)
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<jammcq>
heh
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i've heard it's pretty cool
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<Gadi>
my brother-in-law just got LTSP.... and he LOVES it...
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well, not really
17:08
that was a reference
17:09* Gadi finally on his way to tracking down an LDM issue and no one's around
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<Gadi>
*sigh*
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<jammcq>
ah, the life of a hacker
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<Gadi>
indeed
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evidently the ssh socket is getting clogged
17:10* Gadi needs a plumber
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<jammcq>
hmm, maybe drain-o
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<Gadi>
or a snake ;)
17:12* sutula points gadi to nibbles
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<Gadi>
thanks, sutula
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<loather-work>
i read that first as s/bb/pp
17:13* Gadi points Gadi to therapy
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<lns>
Is this ldm bug regarding the 3x password issue?
17:14* sutula offers to listen to Gadi for free (here) as long as Gadi continues to improve ltsp
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<Gadi>
heh
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<lns>
lns offers to pay anyone to make a new, opensource, killer-browser-plugin that will squash flash and sw director
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err... /me rather
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<warren>
hey
17:32
can somebody give me a copy of the vmlinuz and initrd file generated by Edubuntu?
17:32
is the latest release 2.6.22 kernel?
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<warren>
I want to compare that kernel to Fedora's kernel, trying to debug a crash on the T170
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<loather-work>
initrd files are highly specific to the system on which they were created
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<warren>
loather-work, I need the tftpboot one
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the vmlinuz and initrd that would be sent to a client
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<loather-work>
ah, sorry
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don't have one :(
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<open_lad>
i wonder if webcam works on each thin client of LTSP........provided we have driver...
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So that it could be implemented on cyber cafe'
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<sadmin1>
hi all
23:47
any one works on ubunty gutsy with ldap5
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<open_lad>
i wonder if webcam works on each thin client of LTSP........provided we have driver...?? have anyone tried??
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<sadmin1>
hey