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Channel log from 27 April 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<bhaskar>
i have install edubuntu 7.04 festy , LTSP 5 is built in , very nice, i want to know how to setup printer?? on client and server
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<Nikopoika>
can someone help me a bit?
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<Nikopoika>
i'm having problems with locales on my client computers, even if server has keyboard layout FI, still the clients uses US option
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<vagrantc>
Nikopoika: which linux distro?
01:04
<Nikopoika>
mandriva
01:04
spring edition... latest i guess...
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<laurentddd>
hello
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<laurentddd>
during starting of the diskless I have this error message : /etc/rcS.d/S32ltsp-client-setup /usr/sbin/cdpinger. and the same for delayed_mounter. Somebody knows to what that corresponds?
02:23
no such file or directory
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<vagrantc>
laurentddd: what distro?
02:23
<laurentddd>
debian
02:24
lenny and the debian packet in the croot is etch
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<vagrantc>
you need to install ltspfsd into the chroot
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<laurentddd>
sorry my english is bad
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<vagrantc>
it's not so bad so far :)
02:24
<laurentddd>
ltspfsd is in the chroot !
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<vagrantc>
hmmm..
02:25
ah
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dpkg -l --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ltspfsd
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<laurentddd>
sorry
02:26
Aucun paquet ne correspond à ltspfsd.
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltfspd
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thats good ?
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<vagrantc>
if you spell ltspfsd right
02:27
:)
02:27
and install "ltspfs" on the server
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not in the chroot
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<laurentddd>
but your commande dpkg -l --root=/opt/ltsp/i386 ltspfsd, search ltspfsd in the chroot !
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in dont understand
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<vagrantc>
two packages "ltspfs" and "ltspfsd"
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ltspfs gets installed on the server
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ltspfsd gets installed in the chroot
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<laurentddd>
ok
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chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ apt-get install ltspfsd dpkg said : Impossible to find the package ltspfsd
02:32* vagrantc stays up late to make calls to distant timezones
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<vagrantc>
laurentddd: it's not in etch
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<laurentddd>
ltspfs_0.4.3+debian2_i386.deb ??
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<vagrantc>
for the server
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in the chroot, you need ltspfsd
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<laurentddd>
sorry
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<vagrantc>
it's ok.
02:35
we should make an upload to backports.org soon
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<laurentddd>
vagrantc : I start again and I say to you if that at market
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<laurentddd>
that good
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thanks
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<vagrantc>
sure
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sorry we didn't get ltspfs into etch
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that would make it easier
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<laurentddd>
it is not serious, essence is to find a solution
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;-)
02:49
it is not serious, the important one is to find a solution
02:49
better english ????
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<vagrantc>
s,one,thing, :)
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<laurentddd>
Exist there a documentation to explain how to mount a key usb on the diskless ?
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<vagrantc>
laurentddd: well, there might be something referenced from http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<laurentddd>
ok
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<gvy>
*yaaawn*
03:17
g'day! :) (or whatever is out-of-the-box your site)
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<laurentddd>
re
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<gvy>
re
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<gvy>
er
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<laurentddd>
syslog recognize the key usb well : SCSI device sdb: 1024000 512-byte hdwr sectors (524 MB) ! but I do not manage to mount it
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grrrr
03:45
I must add me with the group "fuses" ??
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<vagrantc>
the user must be in the group fuse, yes.
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<laurentddd>
great
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<laurentddd>
Thank you with all for your assistance. LTSP is a beautiful work
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<vagrantc>
we try :)
03:49
laurentddd: where are you from?
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<laurentddd>
If that I interest you wrote a procedure for LTSP5 and debian ETCH in French.
03:50
I'm from bordeaux
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in france
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<vagrantc>
laurentddd: documentation is always useful :)
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<laurentddd>
In which format want it
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sgml latex html ?
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There remains to me a problem to be regulated. Flash 9. When I read a file flash9, the sound is read on the waiter.
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server not waiter . sorry
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<gvy>
laurentddd, you might need to wrap the browser into something like esddsp
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<laurentddd>
# which /dev/dsp wrapper to use
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ICEWEASEL_DSP="esddsp"
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<gvy>
hm.
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<laurentddd>
in /etc/iceweasel/iceweaselrc
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<gvy>
sorry, no further ideas yet
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<gvy>
ogra, ! :)
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<Nikopoika>
cooool, my locales works correctly, just needed to add "XkbLayout = fi" to /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf (without quotes)
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just thought to mention if someone else has samekind of problem...
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<ogra>
Nikopoika, which distro ?
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<gvy>
vanya, forgot to ask last time -- which city are you from? (/me Kiev)
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<Nikopoika>
ogra: mandriva
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2k7 spring
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<ogra>
ah, ok
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<ogra>
i was fearing ubuntu feisty ... it supposed to be set up automatically there :)
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<gvy>
autofawnically?
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<ogra>
heh
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<cyberorg>
hi ogra
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<mhterres>
morning/afternoon :-)
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<marek82>
hi
07:27
question is it possible for ltsp for saving a session
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or keeping session
07:28
like this, if i have terminal connected to server and when the terminal suffers power failure, that if i start up the terminal, the server gives me the old session..?
07:28
back.
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<vanya>
it's interesting for me too
07:31
I think freenx should allow this, but I haven't tried yet..
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<marek82>
freenx?
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:P
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ok oky:D google gives all the answers :D
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<vanya>
yes, google is such :)
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<marek82>
its all kind of diffrent program
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i made terminals with using ltsp
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using rpm there.. and modyfing a bit it
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for centos5
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hm
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<gvy>
[2] vanya, forgot to ask last time -- which city are you from? (/me Kiev)
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<cyberorg>
marek82: ltsp5?
07:52
<marek82>
no
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<marek82>
mayby 4.1 or 4.2
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<vanya>
gvy, Lviv :)
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<marek82>
4.2
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<vanya>
gvy, time to create #ltsp-ua ? :)
07:54
<gvy>
vanya, wow :) we're bringing up uafoss (an association for FLOSS developers and users), there's western branch in Lviv
07:54
<cyberorg>
what you want is not possible, freenx can save session, but powerfailure before saving session will not give you old session back
07:54
<gvy>
vanya, well you can mail Vadim Mashkov (adiel nospam kiev.ua, mashckoff gmail com) and meet him there
07:54
vanya, in the mean time we're busy integrating ltsp5 in altlinux :)
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<marek82>
whats the diffenrece between ltsp5 and ltsp4.2?
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<gvy>
good, bad and [3.x] ugly
07:56
tho every one of them worked
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<ogra>
cyberorg, indeed its possible, you just need to teach initramfs how to resume from a swapfile on the server and invent a unique process so the session is bound to a user
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its a matter of design and some scripting :)
08:00
... or some more scripting :)
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<cyberorg>
ogra: or we could just invent RAM which keeps it's state on powerfailure :)
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<ogra>
marek82, ltsp5 is sopposed to be implemented using your distros packages instead of a monolithic tarball like 4.x and former did
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<marek82>
hmm
08:02
i should try yum install ltsp5?:P
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<ogra>
so you can integrate with the distros upgrade tools and just get security updates or easily upgrade to the next version ... can copy configs around between client and server etc
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<marek82>
hmm
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<cyberorg>
ogra: i got tmpfs working using bind_mount function, some rough edges still remaining as i get few permission denied errors, will fix those soon
08:03
<ogra>
cyberorg, ah, great so you got a step further :)
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<marek82>
but session save is not really implemented?
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<ogra>
looks like suse wil become the first distro after ubuntu and debian who has ltsp5 ;)
08:03
good work :)
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<cyberorg>
ogra: long way away, also ldm works, put suse png instead of ubuntu's in theme too ;)
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<ogra>
marek82, no, X is lacking support for something like that ... all you could do is to abuse the hibernate functions in initramfs to use a swapfile on the server, but tats not exactly the same
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<marek82>
ya
08:04
hmm
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<cyberorg>
alt linux has already got it i think
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<ogra>
cyberorg, yeah ldm themeing is easy, isnt it ? ;)
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<cyberorg>
i suck at art too
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<ogra>
cyberorg, i havent gotten *any* code form altlinux yet
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<cyberorg>
i fetched their src rpms to see what they are up to
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<ogra>
i know there is wor being done ... but as long as they dont contact upstream its only a fork ...
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there is also work been done in fedora that dies at some point ...
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curious if they will pick up again soon :)
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<cyberorg>
i had a question for you, where does ldm get its SERVER variable from? i have to launch SERVER=serverip ldm vt1 :1
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: good morning
08:07
<ogra>
hey hey
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<cyberorg>
k12ltsp is fedora based project so they should be doing quite well with ltsp5
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<IRCzito_home>
I have a question and Jim say to me ask to you
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<ogra>
cyberorg, from the initscripts
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<cyberorg>
from which one and how?
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<ogra>
cyberorg, you will also need the screen.d scripts
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grep SERVER debian/*
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;)
08:08
IRCzito_home, shoot then
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<cyberorg>
i thought it got from lts.conf
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<ogra>
(i have to go again soon )
08:09
no it comes from the initscripts ...
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: im work in slackware root-tree, (is not easy for me :D) , and my ltsp-client-setup script return: the filesystem is read only
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<ogra>
only if you set it in lts.conf it will use that one
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<cyberorg>
so it detects the server and exports the variable?
08:09
it didnt take from lts.conf that is why i asked
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: what's probably wrong?
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<ogra>
IRCzito_home, indeed it is :) make sure to use the bind_mounts function from the source
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bind_mounts mounts files and dirs it needs in RW mode to a tmpfs
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so make sure that function works properly
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<cyberorg>
IRCzito_home: you can probably use mine http://pastebin.ca/460983
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insserv suse-bind-mounts
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<ogra>
uuh
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you shouldnt comment the bind_unmounts part :)
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: what is /var/cache/debconf on debian for?
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<ogra>
it will eat all your ram :)
08:14
IRCzito_home, it holds all ifo for all packages
08:14
s/packages/package defaults/
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<ogra>
in ubuntu/debian its needed to preconfigure the package defaults automatically on boot ... you will need to find something similar in your distro or write somthing yourself
08:15
usually you can do that easily by scripts as well ...
08:16
in debian based systems that just breaks upgradeabilty, so we use debconf there
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<cyberorg>
ogra: you mean me? bind_unmount is uncommented
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<ogra>
no, the call to it isnt
08:20
see the if clauses you commented at the bottom :)
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line 158ff
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<cyberorg>
oh yes
08:25
ogra: is glade required by new greeter?
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: the variable $rw_dirs not have /etc dir. (bind_mounts). How function configure_resolver() write on /etc/hostname?
08:27
<ogra>
cyberorg, nope
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<cyberorg>
cool, that's good news
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<ogra>
IRCzito_home, "bindfiles" should have /etc/hostname
08:29
if you would copy all of /etc into a tmpfs it would eat a lot of memory ... so we have the bindfiles variable that enables single files to be copied into tmpfs
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your /etc/fstab should also be in that ist
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*list
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<IRCzito_home>
ow: thank
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<skrusty>
hi, can anyone tell me if ltsp can be used as part of a cluster/farm?
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<skrusty>
i.e. can sessions be managed over multiple servers?
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s/managed/shared
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<IRCzito_home>
ogra: whera I can get de source of ltspfsd, I try use de binary of the ubuntu root-tree, but this return: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found
08:54
the source of ltspfsd
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<cliebow_>
ogra: init in root of initramfs is undder control after kernel loads and initramfs is unpacked?
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<bluedragon>
have you tryed the instructions at http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspFS
09:00
for compiling it from cvs
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<ogra>
cliebow, yup
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IRCzito_home, i fear yur best bet is the ubuntu or debian source package (they are identical) the CVS doesnt have any of the scripts afaik
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<jammcq>
hey kids
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<mhterres>
hello
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<cyberorg>
hi jammcq
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<pscheie>
morning all
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<Guaraldo>
hi...
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
hey
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<IRCzito_home>
:-D
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<cyberorg>
ogra: on fresh install, i get http://pastebin.ca/461108 these errors launching ldm what am i missing?
09:51
X keeps crashing repeatedly
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<gonzaloaf_work>
Hi, how can I change the language of the X environment for all my users?
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<michel_>
salut brazza
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<brazza>
salut
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<client3>
bonjour
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<client1>
salut tout le monde
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<gvy>
congrabotations on having successfully setup three terminal clients
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<michel_>
aide: nous sommes a brazzaville, nous avons installe un reseau ltsp ici,
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nous aimerions installe lstp version 1.5, qui a de l'experience?
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<michel_>
pardon lstp-5
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<gvy>
i could probably answer if i understood francais...
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ltsp5 runs on a system to the left of me, ltsp4.2 runs on the rest of terminals in the room
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<kaminski-ltsp-br>
michel_: abajour escargot
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<brazza>
we try to install ltsp but we need your help, we are a group
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<client3>
away
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<ogra>
cyberorg, looks like it cant find one of the icons or theme pngs
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<cyberorg>
ogra: is that it?
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<sutula>
ogra: RE sound with the Debian/Ubuntu packaging, is there any sort of writeup about what works, what to expect, etc?
12:09
ogra: I know I could keep asking here, but would like to be more self-sufficient :)
12:09
<ogra>
in feisty everything works ...
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<sutula>
ogra: There's a bunch of sound stuff on the wiki, but it's hard to know how much of that has been included in current packaging
12:10
<ogra>
in releases before and in debian all apps that are able to use esd will work
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<sutula>
ogra: when you say "everything", which server? esd? alsa?
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<ogra>
feisty added an alsa emulation layer in the users session, so apps use that
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<cyberorg>
tried linking another theme, same result
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<ogra>
which means that really all apps apart from some very old ones that force oss usage will work out of the box and volume control will work
12:11
<sutula>
ogra: When I tried esd (on Debian), esd doesn't seem to run
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<ogra>
sutula, set SOUND=True in lts.conf ...
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<sutula>
I have that
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<ogra>
that will run esd if the client boots
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<sutula>
...on the server or client?
12:12
<ogra>
(on the client indeed)
12:12
you dont need any soundserver on the server
12:13* sutula demonstrates his ignorance :) But the apps run on the server? How do they open sound?
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<ogra>
during login ldm will then set the ESPEAKER variable and esd capable apps will play their output to the server ip/port from that variable
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<sutula>
ahhh
12:14* sutula is guessing that if ESPEAKER is not set, then something didn't start right on the client?
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<ogra>
chec by runing "env" in a terminal in a running X ltsp session
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*check
12:14
ESPEAKER should show up else someting in your ldm is vroken
12:14
*broken
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<Q-FUNK>
typos r us ;)
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<ogra>
yeah
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<sutula>
ogra: k
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<ogra>
since i work on irc my typing really sucks .. i wonder why ... when i used to tape less per day i was brilliant
12:15
<sutula>
...such as client can't open soundcard or something like that?
12:15
<ogra>
*type :)
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<vagrantc>
ogra: ok, so i think i made arrangements
12:16
ogra: looks like i'll see you in sevilla :)
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<ogra>
sutula, well, the ubuntu udev ususally detects all PCI soundcards and configures them right, no idea about the status of the debian kernel ... but i cant imagine that its much worse there :)
12:17
vagrantc, YAY \o/
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<sutula>
ogra: Should I be seeing, e.g., /dev/dsp in the client's /dev files? /me was looking at dmesg output last night on several clients
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<ogra>
vagrantc, i rather hope to see you in november in boston then ... on a certain payroll ;)
12:18
sutula, cat /proc/asound/cards i think
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<sutula>
ogra: K
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<ogra>
that should give you anything
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i'm no alsa expert ... luckily that always just works in ubuntu so i normally dont have to care for low level stuff
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<sutula>
ogra: If I get the chance, I'll try to write some of this up (assuming I get it working) for others
12:20
<ogra>
sutula, thats great .... note that everythng changed in the recent version :)
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<sutula>
ogra: k, thanks
12:21
<ogra>
pluseaduio with a virtual asla device in teh session is used in feisty, gutsy and i assume in sid soon as well
12:21
<vagrantc>
ogra: no, we haven't merged yet
12:21
<ogra>
i know
12:21
<vagrantc>
ogra: sid is only a few bugfixes on what's in etch
12:21
<ogra>
but i assume you will want the advantages of alsa :)
12:21
<vagrantc>
yes, just don't have it yet
12:21
<Q-FUNK>
typical slow post-release recovery at debian. *sigh*
12:21
<jammcq>
what's the next debian codename ?
12:22
<ogra>
yeah we need to merge soon
12:22
<vagrantc>
jammcq: lenny
12:22
<ogra>
i think UDS is the right place to do that :)
12:22
<vagrantc>
Q-FUNK: well, i've mostly been waiting on ubuntu to sync their ubuntu branch with the "mainline" branch
12:22* vagrantc sticks a tounge out at ogra
12:22
<Q-FUNK>
vagrancy in zulu minor.
12:22
<ogra>
:P
12:23
Q-FUNK, he is right, its my fault ...
12:23
<jammcq>
hmm, no scotty
12:23
<ogra>
dont blame debian for missing manpower in ubuntu :)
12:23
<vagrantc>
yeah, we should blame scotty some, too. :)
12:23
<Q-FUNK>
ogra: you guys all have a million things to do. relax :)
12:23
<dberkholz>
i'll accept some of the blame too
12:23
<Q-FUNK>
blame canada!
12:23
<ogra>
yeah, ... but scotty isnt around thats only half the fun then ...
12:24
<Q-FUNK>
btw, are any of you guys in .EE or .FI ?
12:24
<ogra>
.ee ?
12:24
i'm in .de
12:24
is .ee estland ?
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<Q-FUNK>
eesti
12:25
yup
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<jammcq>
estonia ?
12:25
<Q-FUNK>
jah
12:25
<vagrantc>
i've seen this channel get overrun with spanish and occasionally portuguese (sp?) but earlier today it was french!
12:25
<ogra>
i know dholbach went there for vacancy recently ... he was very impressed iirc
12:26
<Q-FUNK>
dholbach was in .lt, not .ee :)
12:26
<ogra>
ah, right :)
12:26
<Q-FUNK>
.lt is indeed mighty nice
12:26
<jammcq>
.lt ? is that Lithuania ?
12:26
<ogra>
yep
12:26
<Q-FUNK>
I was gonna say that if one f you is in HEL and doing nothing toniight, I have a Linuterm we could try on Edubuntu...
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<vagrantc>
adios!
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<Guaraldo>
Q-FUNK: I'm in HELL... Can it be??? :-D Hehehehe Sory!
12:29
<Q-FUNK>
www.hel.fi
12:29
see also: debconf5
12:29
<Guaraldo>
Q-FUNK: I was kidding with you... :-D
12:29
<Q-FUNK>
and you are right: this IS hell, sinking!
12:30
<gvy>
seems so
12:30
<Guaraldo>
Q-FUNK: I'd love to be in Helsinking... But I'm many, many miles away, in Brazil!
12:31
<Q-FUNK>
in the words of a ceetain signer: "Je rêve à Rio"
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<xlyz>
aptitude install ltsp-client fails in ubuntu eft amd64. it complains it can't configure ltspfsd. no idea how to fix it. any suggestion?
12:52
<ogra>
EEK
12:53
dont do that !
12:53
<xlyz>
what?
12:53
<ogra>
apt-cache show ltsp-client ;)
12:53
DO NOT install this package on a regular machine, it is intended only
12:53
for installation inside a LTSP client filesystem.
12:54
<xlyz>
you mean in the chroot?
12:54
<ogra>
the text is from the package description
12:55
<xlyz>
yep
12:55
<ogra>
never ever install ltsp-client with aptitude on the server
12:55
<xlyz>
I did :)
12:55
well, I tried :)
12:55
<ogra>
thats bad
12:55
it has a debconf warning as well
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<xlyz>
I was following some how to
12:56
<ogra>
and actually it should stop the install after showing that
12:56
<sutula>
Good thing is that dpkg is pretty good about removing stuff completely...use --purge
12:56
<xlyz>
infact :)
12:56
<ogra>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall is the only howto you should follow for ubuntu ltsp
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<xlyz>
mmmh. it seems that I confused ltsp-build-client and ltsp-client
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<ogra>
make sure to get ltsp-client off your system completely ... same applies to ltspfsd, it shouldnt get installed on a normal system
12:58
<xlyz>
purged ;)
12:58
<ogra>
good
12:58
<xlyz>
shall I install it in the ltsp client chroot?
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<ogra>
ltspfsd modifies fstab on the fly ... which is very evil if you dont have an autogenerated fastab that sits in ram (like thin clients do)
12:59
if you have a client chroot built with ltsp-build-client you dont need to change anything inside it
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<xlyz>
ok
13:00
one more question
13:00
<ogra>
it sets up everything for you so your clients should be able to boot right away
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<xlyz>
they do
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<ogra>
good
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<sutula>
ogra: After initially running ltsp-build-client to create/configure the chroot, is there ever a reason to run it again?
13:02
<ogra>
no
13:02
and in fact ewer versions will refuse to run unless you wipe the old chroot
13:02
*newer
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<sutula>
ogra: Great
13:03
<ogra>
we had a bunch of probs with people trying to run it on an unclean target
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<xlyz>
one more question: how file/directory ownership is handled? especially for pluggable device? I found one of my collegues that can open my usb hd in one of the clients. how can I avoid this?
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<ogra>
thats impossible ...
13:03
did you use the same uid ?
13:03
<xlyz>
no
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<jammcq>
xlyz: are you logged into the server console? or one of the thin clients?
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<ogra>
fuse doesnt even let root look into dirs that are user owned
13:04
<xlyz>
but he was the first to fire up the client this morning
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<ogra>
that doesnt matter
13:04
the ltspfs fuse mounts are done on a per user basis
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<xlyz>
the hd was plugged in the server
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<ogra>
ah
13:05
yes
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<jammcq>
there ya go
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<ogra>
thats intentional
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<ogra>
you can disable volume mounting in gnome-volume-manager ... so the user wont see server side mounted devices
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<ogra>
ltspfs only operates on thin client HW ...
13:06
and currently works ndependently from gnome-volume-manager
13:06
(that will change soon)
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<xlyz>
ogra: is there any reason not to use --arch option of ltsp-build-client for cross arch instead of the steps described here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPCrossArchSetup ?
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<Signum>
Evening... I have a pretty old laptop with 128 MB RAM, CD-ROM, NIC and harddisk. Can I run it as an ltsp client although the network card is not pxe-capable? I'd like to boot from harddisk but didn't find instructions on that.
14:10
<ogra>
xlyz, half of the installation happens chrooted inside the client chroot ... there is no way to execute ppc binaries on a X86/64 CPU
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<xlyz>
oh, that's why. --arch i386 on a amd64 works, btw
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<ogra>
yeah
14:14
this way its no problem ...
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but --arch amd64 on an i386 would already break
14:14
<xlyz>
yep
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<ogra>
and ppc even has a different byteorder ...
14:15
<xlyz>
but why setting up an i386 as server and a amd64 as client? ;)
14:15
<ogra>
i actually supported one guy who made that
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<ogra>
he had a bunch of amd turion PCs around and only an i386 server
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<xlyz>
yep
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<sutula>
Signum: I've run something similar
14:17* sutula is looking for what he used to boot
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<xlyz>
to lock down mounting of server disks/devices I have to use gconftool?
14:17
<ogra>
Signum, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPBootingClientsWithoutPxe
14:18
thats how you install a rom-o-matic etherboot image (with PXE emulation to make it even easier) to HD, CD or folppy
14:19
<sutula>
Signum: I used Netboot, but ogra probably knows better
14:19
<ogra>
well if you can get netboot to work there is no reason not to use it :)
14:20
as long as you get *anything* booting ;)
14:20
<sutula>
ogra: The floppy and CD images worked on the machines I tried, but I haven't messed with the HD stuff
14:22
<ogra>
well, actually you only need to dd the image to your first HD and set the BIOS to boot from it :)
14:22
<Signum>
ogra: Thanks. Trying that. Nice seeing you again, btw. :) Last time we met at the Mataro conference.
14:23
<ogra>
oh207, wow ! really ?
14:23
ah, right i remember :) you started the motu/mentoring stuff ...
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<sutula>
ogra: I need to figure out how to avoid losing the Win bootability from the HD, but I'd be a *lot* happier to just tell the users "oops...sorry...can't run Windoze any more"
14:24
<ogra>
make a small partition (50M or so) ... isntall grub and dd your image to the new partition ... then thll grub to dual boot :)
14:25
i know thats rather an advanced task :)
14:25
Signum, we'Re in spain again with the next conference :)
14:25
<sutula>
ogra: yeah...figured it would be like that...am avoiding it for now and using a floppy :)
14:27
<Signum>
ogra: Yep. But I don't even attend the debconf. Family is keeping me busy. It was fun though.
14:27
<ogra>
yeah
14:27
it got me an invitation to the next conf in australia :)
14:28
and in the end a job :)
14:29
<Signum>
Nice.
14:30
<ogra>
yeah, i would never have expected that while being in mataro ... it was my scond OSS conf ever :)
14:30
*second
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<jammcq>
ogra: let's just hope the food is better in seville :)
14:31
<Signum>
It was my only debian/ubuntu-based conference so far. I wished I could stay in Edinburgh this year. But leaving my wife with a baby home for a week isn't that fair.
14:31
<ogra>
jammcq, well, have you seen the pics of the hotel ?
14:31
<jammcq>
ogra: yeah, reminds me of the hotel in paris
14:31
9-euro beers.... here we come
14:31
<ogra>
i foud it looked a bit better fgrom the inside
14:31
<Signum>
I wonder whether I rather just use an X11 server and xdmcp to another machine instead of running ltsp. Hmmm.
14:32
<jammcq>
ogra: I have a hunch it's gonna be very nice there
14:32
<ogra>
yeah
14:32
even though i fear its warm as hell
14:32
<jammcq>
ogra: i've heard it isn't so bad in the south west, cuz of the air coming from the ocean
14:32
<ogra>
germany had ~29°C in some places the last days
14:33
ah, yes
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<jammcq>
it keeps the temps a bit lower
14:33
i'm expecting it to just be very nice
14:33
we'll see soon enough, eh?
14:33
<ogra>
i'm just fearing the usual cold i catch if its 35°C outside and 18°C in the airconditioned rooms :)
14:33
yeah, wed is the day :)
14:34
and vagrant is finally confirmed :)
14:53
<cliebow_>
Sub-process bzip2 returned an error code (2)
14:53
from behind a smoothwall firewall..this mean anything to anyone?
14:54
<jammcq>
cliebow_: error code (2) is generally "file not found"
14:54
<cliebow_>
wierd..other boxes behind same firewall get updates fine
14:54
same sort of that is
14:54
<jammcq>
maybe it's out of disk space
14:54
<ogra>
yeah
14:54
sounds like
14:55
<jammcq>
it thinks it downloaded an update, but then can't find it to install it
14:55
<cliebow_>
hmmm. 73 gig avail
14:55
<jammcq>
well.... it sounded like I knew what I was talking about
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<ogra>
heh
14:56
<cliebow_>
http://us.archive.ubuntu.com seems fine
14:56
<ogra>
we always do :)
14:57
<cliebow_>
security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg seems fine
14:57
no.
14:57
<ogra>
no ?
14:57
<cliebow_>
security.ubuntu.com feisty-security Release.gpg s is borked
14:57
<ogra>
aha
14:57
<cliebow_>
oho"?
14:57
<ogra>
try again a bit later, its probably syncing
14:58
<cliebow_>
will do..
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<ogra>
(even though i cant confirm ... running gutsy since this morning)
14:58
<cliebow_>
Grze
14:58
Graze
15:00
COOL!
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<gu>
can anyone tell me why defining SCREEN_01=ldm and SCREEN_02=shell leads to a non-working keyboard?
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<jammcq>
gu: cuz you'll end up with ldm on both screen 01 AND 07
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<gu>
why?
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<jammcq>
cuz LDM runs on 07 by default
15:04
ogra: didn't you say there's a reason why you need getty running on 01 ?
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<gu>
so I'll have to define SCREEN_07=ldm and SCREEN_01=shell if I want an additional local shell?
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<ogra>
upstart needs it
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<jammcq>
gu: no, 07=ldm 02=shell
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leave 01 as is
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<gu>
ok
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<ogra>
jammcq, i played around a bit and split out the client builde part from ltsp-manager: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/18015/
15:05
*builder
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<gu>
I'll give it a try - thanx
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<jammcq>
ogra: looks like some nice clean python code
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<ogra>
should run out of the box in case you are bored and want to play around ;)
15:06
<jammcq>
bored? don't even know what that is anymore
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<ogra>
heh
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<ogra>
i actually managed to fire up my bike today and do some maintenance ... i was wanting to do that since breezy ...
15:09* ogra wonders if something is wrong with you if you start measuring time by ubuntu releases
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<mhterres>
heehheheh
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<gonzaloaf_work>
Hello I'm using ltsp 4.2, how can I disable the gdm login just in the server?
16:23
its a ubuntu server
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<cliebow>
J45p3r ho
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J45p3r, ho
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in the bath..
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<J45p3r>
just wanted to let you know that osprey is almost full... 98%
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