IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 3 April 2012   (all times are UTC)

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08:42
<slin>
'morning
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09:51
<rickogden>
morning all
09:54
is there a changelog/feature list of LTSP 5.3?
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10:04
<knipwim>
rickogden: http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4F3D767E.1060708%40ubuntu.com&forum_name=ltsp-developer
10:05
<rickogden>
schweet! Thanks :)
10:08
I'm liking the "lots of fat client improvements"
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11:46
<wim_>
hi, we have ltsp-server-standalone (5.3.4 - wheezy) up and running with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True. Since a few days we get a connection error (endpoint not connected) and the user home directory is disconnected. The user has to reboot his client to reconnect his home. Probably it is a sshfs issue. Has someone got this issue or any idea?? txs
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<wim_>
hi, we have ltsp-server-standalone (5.3.4 - wheezy) up and running with LTSP_FATCLIENT=True. Since a few days we get a connection error (endpoint not connected) and the user home directory is disconnected. The user has to reboot his client to reconnect his home. Has someone got this issue or any idea?? txs
13:50
<stgraber>
alkisg: heya
13:50
alkisg: anything else that's about to land in -trunk or can I tag? (do we need a test snapshot first to be sure it works?)
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<alkisg>
stgraber: a test snapshot would be nice, I haven't tested trunk for a long time
14:20
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, I'll do that then
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<stgraber>
alkisg: building
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14:27* alkisg also no longer has ltsp-server installed, just ltsp-pnp and ltsp-client :D
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15:17
<stgraber>
alkisg: https://launchpad.net/~stgraber/+archive/experimental/+packages if you have a few minutes to test
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<neohaven>
We have a build of ltsp-cluster here, and I'd like to add some functionality to ltsp-control. I'd like to be able to get the last known terminal IP of a user so we can connect to it with VNC (the VNC server part is alerady taken care of). Any ideas/pointers? Things to seriously watch out for?
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15:58
<garymc>
Hi Guys I have LTSP ubuntu and I have forgot the password for root. Whta can I do to get back in. God knows why I changed the password at some point but my listed one doesnt seem to be working
16:00
<zevlag>
garymc, https://help.ubuntu.com/11.04/ubuntu-help/user-forgottenpassword.html
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<garymc>
zevlag : is this the same for logging in via ssh
16:02
<zevlag>
you want to login to the LTSP server, right?
16:02
yes it is
16:03
<garymc>
yes
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<||cw>
you don't have users with sudo that you know the pass for?
16:14
<alkisg>
garymc: the root doesn't have a password in ubuntu by default, so that people only use sudo, and not login as root
16:15
(so what I'm saying is that maybe you didn't specify a password at all; you just didn't know that you can't login as root)
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<garymc>
dont know
16:16
I used to use username
16:16
root
16:16
and then the password, it no longer works
16:18
<alkisg>
garymc: then do: sudo passwd
16:18
This will allow you to set a new root password
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<garymc>
alkisg is that after I do the reboot and password change?
16:19
<alkisg>
...why reboot?
16:19
OK anyway if you already found a solution, go ahead and do it, never mind :)
16:19
<||cw>
not really sure how can youhave root and not know what users have sudo
16:21
<garymc>
long time sinc eI touched this thing
16:21
<xsl>
well i kinda agree with ||cw, but if you did a fresh install you were asked for a username - that one has sudo permissons
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<xsl>
well garymc, you have physical access to the server?
16:22
<garymc>
yes
16:22
<xsl>
if you do, boot in single mode and change the root password there
16:23
<garymc>
boot in single mode?
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<xsl>
its like driving a car... and you need to have a license ... if you are root you should know what booting in single mode is
16:23
<||cw>
init=/bin/bash, I think the link given covers that
16:24
xsl: is only
16:24
if^^
16:24
<xsl>
yeah :)
16:25
<garymc>
ok im in
16:25
sorted it
16:25
now im trying to deny access to all websites apart from my company website and google
16:26
google will just be for them to check connection
16:26
<xsl>
why in the #LTSP channel you ask this?
16:26
<garymc>
i have just edited host.deny
16:26
cos its an ltsp server
16:26
should i be in ubuntu?
16:26
<||cw>
garymc: I don't think that's what hosts.deny does. you should do that at your firewall
16:27
<alkisg>
stgraber: ltsp-client etc installed fine, but I can't test if it boots, as my system is a bit messed up these days...
16:27
<xsl>
use ufw
16:27
<||cw>
and with the google req, you'll probably need to use squid since the IP's change all the time and iptables can't deal with that
16:27
<stgraber>
alkisg: ok, I'll try these in a VM quickly then
16:27
<||cw>
can ufw do hostname based filters?
16:28
I've not used it
16:29
<JesseC>
What kind of router do you have?
16:29
I'd say at least 90% of all routers now have the ability to block or allow only on websites.
16:29
<xsl>
well my advice to ufw its just that ... if hes all like ( i dont know how to enter and im root ) - i guess iptables will be a bit too much
16:29
<JesseC>
So unless its 5 years old.. this should be extremely easy
16:30
<xsl>
but JesseC is correct alot of routers have builtin firewalls with keywords and URL blocking
16:30
<JesseC>
adding it at the ltsp server level is just complicating something that shouldn't be complicated. ;)
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<garymc>
superb the router option was best and easiest
16:37
cheers guys
16:37
<JesseC>
always follow kiss
16:37
haha
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<cfkane>
Anybody have a relatively new LTSP install running that uses Pentium I clients? What host OS are you using?
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<alkisg>
cfkane: how much ram?
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<cfkane>
alkisg: Let's say 80MB (Yikes!) Could possibly scrape up 128
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<alkisg>
cfkane: try ubuntu 10.04, it runs ok with that
17:15
You'll also need LDM_DIRECTX=False
17:15
!directx
17:15
<ltsp>
alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
17:22
<cfkane>
Thanks! (It'd be nice to have a real budget...)
17:23
<stgraber>
alkisg: chroot built, let's see if that boots ;)
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<stgraber>
it boots
17:24
and unity-2d seems to start fine too
17:24
<alkisg>
Nice! :)
17:31
<stgraber>
hmm, xcompmgr + unity-2d in a VM don't seem to work too nicely together
17:31
well, they do when xcompmgr is started after unity-2d, otherwise Qt seems to be doing something weird and you end up with no background and no window besides the launcher and panel...
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17:52
<stgraber>
right, so we have a problem with unity-2d ... metacity apparantly can now act as a full compositing manager and will refuse to start if xcompmgr is already there...
17:52
the other way around isn't true though, xcompmgr will be happy to start on top of metacity/compiz/whatever
17:53
so I guess I'll have to change the check in ldm-trunk to turn off xcompmgr by default as xcompmgr itself is safe but the other compositing managers (so far, just metacity) aren't
17:53
<xsl>
i never use compiz, allways use metacity
17:53
<stgraber>
unless someone has a better idea...
17:53
vagrantc, alkisg: ^
17:53
<xsl>
can't remember why i had problems with compiz... but it just didnt worked ok
17:55
<stgraber>
alkisg, vagrantc: I'd go with http://paste.ubuntu.com/913377/ and simply suggest people to either turn on metacity's own compositor (which should give you the same advantages as xcompmgr) or if using something else, then set LDM_XCOMPMGR
17:55
<ogra_>
you could make it automatically unset the metacity gconf key if xcompmgr runs
17:57
(as a proper fix for metacity, so it still starts up fine)
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<stgraber>
I don't really like the idea of LTSP modifying the user's configuration though as it's fairly common to have the same $HOME when using thin clients and regular desktop machines
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<stgraber>
I'd prefer having a reliable way of starting xcompmgr once the session is started because it does-the-right-thing and won't mess with an existing compositor
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<ogra_>
oh, i didnt mean that LTSO should fiddle with the gconf key of metacity :)
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18:01
<ogra_>
i mean to fix metacity to not start its own comp manager and ignore the key if it detects that composite is claimed already
18:01
<stgraber>
ah right, yeah, that'd make sense ;)
18:02
<ogra_>
metacity not starting up properly if xcompmgr runs smells like a bug to me
18:03
<stgraber>
yeah, I'm still triple-checking it's the actual problem, but it certainly has to do with unity2d/metacity/xcompmgr
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18:07
<stgraber>
hmm, ok, it's apparently a bit more complex...
18:07
more like unity2d+metacity+xcompmgr in a VM... on a desktop machine I'm unable to reproduce
18:07
<ogra_>
depends on your POV ... surely easier than making fpc compile on armhf :P
18:07* stgraber tries with an intel netbook
18:09
<neohaven>
stgraber: what kind of VM?
18:09
<stgraber>
kvm, cirrus graphic
18:09
<neohaven>
Maybe it has something to do with that specific card being emulated in KVM...?
18:10
I've had all sorts of problems with KVM and graphics before, iirc.
18:10
<stgraber>
yeah, that's what I'm trying to clarify, LTSP needs to work with that one though, so I want to check if getting the dri status on the thin client is enough to get a go/no-go for xcompmgr
18:11
<alkisg>
stgraber: try with -vga vmware
18:11
(in kvm)
18:11
<stgraber>
there's little point in doing compositing if X does it all in software anyway (no dri)
18:11
<neohaven>
stgraber: true.
18:12
<stgraber>
alkisg: testing on my netbook + kvm with vmware-vga
18:12
<neohaven>
Actually, I kind of wonder what it is that X does to keep performance somewhat up when you don't have DRI but you want the fancy stuff.
18:12
<stgraber>
hopefully it'll work on the netbook and I can just add a check on gfxinfo
18:13
alkisg: gah... same problem on the netbook
18:14* alkisg wishes gnome-classic was the default session :D
18:14
<stgraber>
alkisg: right, so clear no-go for xcompmgr unless we can reliably start it after metacity/unity2d/whatever-pretends-to-do-compositing
18:14
alkisg: well, it's a actually a "bug" that it works on gnome-classic ;)
18:14
alkisg: as metacity should definitely do compositing by default there too
18:15
<alkisg>
stgraber: why would one prefer the xcompmgr compositing over the metacity one?
18:16
<stgraber>
alkisg: you wouldn't, that's why I proposed moving xcompmgr to the optional (LDM_XCOMPMGR flag) as our default desktop (unity2d) does the compositing anyway (I didn't know that when I implemented the xcompmgr stuff)
18:16
and I suspect other desktops using metacity will start turning on the compositing there too, just a matter of time. So no good reason forcing xcompmgr in LDM as for most people it'll just cause bugs and won't give any extra performance
18:16
<ogra_>
its a metacity default btw, not a unity-2d thing (i.e. also applies to xubuntu)
18:17
heh, snap :)
18:17
<stgraber>
ogra_: no, it's an override in the unity-2d gconf profile (according to what I see in the packaging)
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18:17
<ogra_>
hmm, i thought i sponsored a metacity upload for it
18:17
<alkisg>
stgraber: and one can enable metacity composition even on gnome-classic, if he wants to?
18:17
<stgraber>
ogra_: oh, well, maybe it's a pointless redundant gconf config then ;)
18:18
alkisg: yes, in gconf
18:18
<ogra_>
yeah, that might be
18:18* stgraber checks that it's not already there per ogra
18:18
<alkisg>
OK, then maybe we can just mention that in some doc and forget about the whole thing
18:18
<neohaven>
stgraber: you're starting to use unity-2d in trunk? So basically, unity-2d/LDM instead of gnome-desktop/LDM?
18:20
<stgraber>
neohaven: I'm the Ubuntu maintainer for LTSP, my default desktop environment is unity, not gnome-desktop (it's installable separately or when using edubuntu, not by default in ubuntu)
18:20
ogra_: /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager is set to false here in gnome-fallback
18:20
<neohaven>
stgraber: Yes, your name is all over the place! :)
18:20
<ogra_>
by metacity or by gnome ?
18:21
<neohaven>
stgraber: The version I have here at CSDL is gnome-desktop/LDM, afaict
18:21
<alkisg>
There's a metacity-message utility, I wonder if it has some undocumented parameter to notify metacity to turn composition on...
18:21
<stgraber>
ogra_: from what I see that's the schema's default value
18:21
<ogra_>
hmm, k, probably the sponsored upload just enabled the key
18:21
but didnt set the default
18:21
<alkisg>
(without permanately changing the gconf key, that is)
18:21* ogra_ dowsnt have a metacity tree handy and is lazy :P
18:22
<stgraber>
vagrantc, alkisg: right so I guess the best is to remove X51-xcompmgr completely then?
18:22
<alkisg>
stgraber: sounds good to me :)
18:23
<vagrantc>
whee.
18:23
<stgraber>
alkisg: can you teach the bot about that key? so that we can point people to it when they're using a desktop where it's not the default already?
18:23* vagrantc mostly tests with lxde
18:24
<vagrantc>
i really should test with gnome more often...
18:24
<stgraber>
vagrantc: did it give a nice performance boost for lxde?
18:24
vagrantc: I'm certainly not against keeping the script and moving it to LDM_XCOMPMGR if it's useful for lxde
18:25
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i didn't notice anything
18:25
but i've only tested with LXDE on a qemu-kvm libvirt virtual machine ...
18:26
<stgraber>
right, so probably not much to notice there ...
18:26
you should notice a 50% bandwith drop when moving windows and some latency/refresh improvements
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18:26
<vagrantc>
i don't have a standing lab to test stuff with, so i have to setup and teardown any time i want to test real hardware
18:27
<alkisg>
stgraber: something like: !learn composition as To enable composition in gnome-fallback, try: gsettings set /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager ...
18:27
...but I can't find the key in dconf-editor
18:27
<stgraber>
alkisg: it's in good old gconf ;)
18:27
<alkisg>
Hehe :D
18:29* vagrantc doesn't even know if xcmpmgr was installed
18:29
<alkisg>
!disable_compiz
18:29
<ltsp>
alkisg: disable_compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
18:29
<stgraber>
vagrantc, alkisg, ogra_: Right, I pushed r1430 to ldm-trunk making xcompmgr only start when LDM_XCOMPMGR is set, it doesn't hurt to have that 3 lines script around and might be useful for lxde and some others
18:29
<ogra_>
++
18:29
<alkisg>
stgraber: will you leave the xcompmgr dependency to ltsp-client-core?
18:30
<vagrantc>
only one vowel, that's old-school unix
18:31
<stgraber>
alkisg: if I do, I'll have to cherry-pick that commit and upload ldm too as unity2d won't work otherwise but I can certainly do that as having xcompmgr doesn't really take much space
18:31
alkisg: any reason to drop it from ltsp-client-core?
18:31
<alkisg>
No no I was just asking, no particular reason
18:31
<stgraber>
k
18:32
vagrantc: so I'll tag ltsp-trunk now and upload ltsp and ldm to Ubuntu (ldm being just a cherry-pick from ldm-trunk on top of our current ldm)
18:32
<alkisg>
!learn composition as To enable composition in gnome-classic session, which speeds up screen updates and reduces bandwidth, try: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type boolean --set /apps/metacity/general/compositing_manager true
18:32
<ltsp>
alkisg: The operation succeeded.
18:32
<stgraber>
vagrantc: unless you feel like uploading a new ldm to Debian ;)
18:33
<vagrantc>
could, it would handle the ltsp-common-functions -> ltsp-client-functions change ...
18:33
stgraber: to add a dependency on xcompmgr ?
18:33
<stgraber>
oh, we actually have 3 commits in ldm-trunk, that's plenty enough for a release ;)
18:33
<vagrantc>
technically only two, i'd say.
18:33
<stgraber>
vagrantc: no, I have that dependency in ltsp-client-core currently, the cherry-pick is to disable xcompmgr by default as that's breaking unity2d (default session)
18:34
ltsp 5.3.7 tagged
18:35
<vagrantc>
cheers
18:35
<stgraber>
vagrantc: actually, one thing I can do is drop xcompmgr from ltsp-client-core now and next time I sync ldm we'll get it back from the dependency/recommends that you'll add to ldm
18:35
(assuming you will add it :))
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18:36
<vagrantc>
stgraber: recommends seems appropriate
18:36
<alkisg>
Also recomments are off by default on ubuntu thin chroots
18:36
<vagrantc>
really? :(
18:36
<alkisg>
Yup
18:37
<stgraber>
oh, that'd be problematic ;)
18:37
<alkisg>
I do wonder why though... even if we only have "main" in our sources, what harm would it do to have recommends on?
18:38
<stgraber>
likely a few extra packages getting installed, we might try that for 12.10 and get the dependencies fixed when needed so we don't pull stuff we don't want
18:39
<ogra_>
alkisg, i added it back in the days when we did the initial transition to install recommends by default and ended up with massively big img files
18:40
definitely something that should be revisited
18:40
<alkisg>
OK... or at least we could only enable it while ltsp-build-client is running, not write it in the apt config
18:41
<ogra_>
i think it should be enabled across the board but bad recommends should be adjusted where possible
18:42
it was really only to prevent huge dependency chains during the transition, somone needs to build a chroot with it disabled and compare to the current default
18:42
but thats nothing for post beta anyway :)
18:42
<alkisg>
Yeah, it's 12.10 material
18:47
<stgraber>
alkisg, vagrantc: http://paste.ubuntu.com/913453/
18:47
so I'm dropping xcompmgr for now, avoiding to create ldm delta at this point for no real good reason
18:47
it's in main already so if we add the depend on ldm (or recommend in 12.10), it should get promoted again without any problem
18:54
right, uploaded, hopefully the last LTSP for 12.04...
18:55
might still sync ldm if vagrantc uploads it soon but it's not critical, just a potential nice to have
19:01* alkisg thinks 12.04 will be more stable for LTSP that he thought it'd be a few months back... :)
19:01
<alkisg>
There was too much restructuring involved
19:05
<vagrantc>
good thing we waited till the last minute :P
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19:34
<daruma-du>
plz, may i have some help with my lts.conf in fedora14 ?
19:34
<alkisg>
!ask
19:34
<ltsp>
alkisg: ask: Don't ask to ask a question, simply ask it, and if someone knows the answer, they'll respond. Please hang around for at least 15 minutes after asking a question, as not everybody constantly monitors the channel.
19:35
<Hyperbyte>
daruma-du, Fedora 14? Wow.
19:35
<neohaven>
daruma-du: What is the problem?
19:36
<daruma-du>
ill describe
19:36
first thanks for your attention
19:36
well, im geting a msg saying that the monitor does not suport the video mode
19:37
Im using vesa at lts.conf
19:37
i have 2 kinds of thin clients amd geode GX and amd geode LX
19:37
<neohaven>
Usually, when monitors say something about "unsupported video mode", they mean the resolution/refreshrate.
19:38
<daruma-du>
the GX only accept vesa driver ... and LX only suport geode driver
19:38
<neohaven>
Are you sure the resolution you're trying to get is supported by the screen you're using?
19:38
<daruma-du>
800x600 should work in almost all monitors
19:39
i cant understand why LX cant run vesa driver properly
19:40
<neohaven>
Hmm.
19:40
<daruma-du>
I keep changing the horzsync and vertrefresh and the monitor keeps giving me the msg "mode not suported" always with diferents H:xxx and V: xxx
19:41
<neohaven>
Make sure those are supported by both the video card and the monitor.
19:41
<daruma-du>
how do i can check that ?
19:41
<neohaven>
Video card manuals and screen manuals, I'd guess.
19:41
<daruma-du>
im sure that my monitor only suports 60hz on vert
19:41
<neohaven>
At least that's where I'd start
19:42
Very probably indeed.
19:42
iirc, you don't actually *have* to set the refresh rate in lts.conf
19:43
I currently just have XRANDR_MODE_0="1920x1080" here.
19:43
<daruma-du>
yeah ... but im setting the X_MODE_0 so I assume that i need to force xh and xv
19:43
what does XRANDR_MODE do ?
19:44
<neohaven>
It probably calls xrandr behind the scenes to set the resolution.
19:44
It does set the resolution though. ;)
19:44
<daruma-du>
never used it
19:45
<neohaven>
It's what I have here, so I assume it should work on your side as well.
19:45
<daruma-du>
hmmm
19:45
nah
19:45
<neohaven>
So instead of setting the complete modeline, just tell it a resolution with XRANDR_MODE_0
19:45
<daruma-du>
same problem
19:46
<neohaven>
Can you paste your lts.conf somewhere? (Please redact any information I shouldn't get, like IP addresses and such)
19:47
<daruma-du>
i just have X_COLOR_DEPTH=16
19:47
X_HORZSYNC=31.0-60,0
19:47
XSERVER=vesa
19:48
X_VERTREFRESH=56.0-60.0
19:48
screen_01=ldm
19:48
<neohaven>
Does the X server you're using support *some* autoconfiguration?
19:48
<daruma-du>
xorg
19:48
yes
19:48
X11
19:48
<neohaven>
I haven't touched Fedora14 in a while.
19:48
<daruma-du>
i WAS loving it
19:48
hahahah
19:49
<neohaven>
well, you might want to try not setting any of that. ;)
19:49
ie. Just see if you can let it autodetect the driver.
19:50
<daruma-du>
ok, let me see
19:50
<neohaven>
Comment those lines out, and if you need to set resolution manually, try the XRANDR_MODE_0 line.
19:50
<daruma-du>
ok
19:50
trying that rn
19:51
<Hyperbyte>
daruma-du, what happens when you remove your lts.conf and just use the default options?
19:51
<daruma-du>
dude
19:52
wanna marry me ?
19:52
thanks so much
19:53
well Hyperbyte ... if I do that the thin client(LX) run normaly but the thin client(GX) do not !
19:54
<Hyperbyte>
mhm
19:54
Why are you using Fedora 14, either way?
19:54
<daruma-du>
My customer is
19:54
and im suporting him
19:54
or trying
19:55
<Hyperbyte>
mhmm... okay
19:55
<daruma-du>
well, same problem again ...with GX using XRANDR_MODE_0=800x600
19:55
<neohaven>
daruma-du: you're welcome. :)
19:55
<daruma-du>
the TC gc didnt came up
19:56
GX
19:56
i mean
19:56
<neohaven>
daruma-du: Okay so... the LX comes up, but not the GX?
19:56
<daruma-du>
ye
19:57
Can I still set up XSERVER even using XRANDR ?
19:57
<neohaven>
yeah.
19:57
at worst, try it.
19:57
<daruma-du>
hehe, doing !
20:00
nah
20:00
ahhhhh
20:01
<neohaven>
...?
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20:02
<daruma-du>
didnt worked
20:02
didnt work
20:02
im trying now, older bios to LX
20:03
assuming they are close to GX bios
20:03
<neohaven>
Hmm.
20:10
<daruma-du>
didnt work too
20:10
neither
20:11
<neohaven>
Hmm. Really weird. You've made me run out of the bit of knowledge I have about X configuration with LTSP
20:11
Sorry I couldn't help for that last problem. =/
20:11
<daruma-du>
is there any way of using diferent configuration insted of using the MAC ADDRESS ?
20:12
<neohaven>
What do you mean?
20:13
<daruma-du>
well, if i had only one LX and a lot of GX ... i could use standart lts.conf as vesa and set up the mac address of LX and run it with geode
20:14
but i have 200 GX and 50 LX ... and I dont wanna be setting up every new MAC address
20:14
i got what i mean ?
20:15
<neohaven>
I can only speak of the configuration I have here and the version I have here
20:15
But let's see.
20:16
Actually, are you using LTSP or LTSP-cluster?
20:16
Because I'm not sure if what I'm about to say is relevant in LTSP without ltsp-config
20:16
<daruma-du>
ltsp
20:17
<neohaven>
I'm not sure how you'd do that. Technically, ltsp-cluster was made to ease configuration of a lot of clients, so I'm pretty sure that what I'm thinking is only available in ltsp-cluster.
20:17
Sorry again. :)
20:18
<daruma-du>
Its ok
20:18
Thanks for your attention
20:19
<neohaven>
No problem. :)
20:22
<andygraybeal>
yay yay yay yay! life is excellent. and ltsp works wonders.
20:23
still need to work on supplying myself more coffee all the time though.
20:23
it's expensive!
20:23
<vagrantc>
in recent versions of ltsp you could set up a ltsp_config.d and write some simple code to conditionally set varriables.
20:23
so you could detect GX or LX there and set XSERVER appropriately.
20:23
but i'm not sure fedora has support for that...
20:24
(fedora hasn't updated LTSP in some time)
20:24
<daruma-du>
ok
20:24
ill check
20:24
thanks
20:28
<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeal, LTSP rocks! :-)
20:32
<andygraybeal>
Hyperbyte, exactly
20:35
<daruma-du>
You guys love it just becouse you dont use legacy machines !!
20:35
=)
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<andygraybeal>
daruma-du, this is probably true ;) i cannot say.
20:38
<daruma-du>
LTSP is a wonderful tool when properly used
20:38* vagrantc still uses P-III machines ...
20:39
<highvoltage>
I still have two geodes on my desk but I'm not crazy enough to use them for anything else than paperweights.
20:40
<daruma-du>
hehehe
20:40
geode LX ?
20:40
if so, ure safe !
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<||cw>
the P3's I have are too crappy in the graphics dept to be useful :/
20:54
damned intel video
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21:15* alkisg uses Celerons @350 with 64 MB RAM in schools... :)
21:27
<||cw>
bit of video lag is probably OK in schools, but when you are paying a guy by the hour to wait for it, it's not ok
21:28
<alkisg>
Youtube sucks, yeah, but I can play an xdiv video fullscreen in more than10 computers without lag or dropped frames
21:31
<||cw>
tricksy
21:31
I just have issues with local rdesktop :/
21:32* alkisg prefers local VMs (over ltsp) when possible instead of the laggy rdesktop
21:32
<alkisg>
X and XVideo is much faster than rdesktop
21:33
<andygraybeal>
local vm's sound awesome :)
21:38
<||cw>
that doens't help when terminal server is what's handed down
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22:13
<nsd_>
Hey everyone, - We're a school district that has been running K12ltsp since 2004-5. It's always just worked great.
22:13
Our students have moved over to google docs and the browser in K12ltsp it to old. So we were going to upgrade the servers to Ubuntu 10.x running ltsp 5
22:13
We did this on one or 2 servers and found we could only support maybe 10 clients per server, unlike out LTSP 4.2 install that could easily handle 60 or more.
22:13
I think our clients are to old and slow to support them being fat clients. Using them as fat clients was terrible as well.
22:14
So i'm not really sure what to do at this point, do we just upgrade the clients? Look into clustering LTSP 5? Try to figure out a way to get ltsp 4.2 to run a current browser? I'm stumped.
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<nsd_>
anyone? anyone?
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<vagrantc>
nsd_, come back!
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