IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 31 March 2015   (all times are UTC)

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06:30
<vsuojanen>
growland: you most likely have network latency or slow clients that slow down that specific part of your network. ltsp.org troubleshooting has some information for these issues. for network diagnosing see ipxe.org/howto/pcap
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07:16
<alkisg>
highvoltage, stgraber, if we're going to support ubuntu-mate in edubuntu, maybe we also need an ldm-ubuntu-mate-theme?
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07:20
<highvoltage>
alkisg: an ldm-ubuntu-mate-theme theme should be quick to do. I think vivid is far post ui freeze right now though so perhaps for +1 or in a ppa?
07:20
<alkisg>
highvoltage: yup, and may in the edubuntu ppa as well for 14.04...
07:21
:)
07:22
<highvoltage>
yep, won't hurt. feel free to pester me about it until it's done
07:22
<alkisg>
Thanks!
07:34
!nbd-client
07:34
<ltsp>
nbd-client: To try mounting the NBD image from the client initramfs: nbd-client 192.168.67.1 -N /opt/ltsp/i386 /dev/nbd0
07:53
<alkisg>
Hmm for some reason, my ubuntu-mate 14.04 ltsp installation defaulted to NFS and it needed an extra update-kernels to be fixed... It was like /etc/ltsp/update-kernels.conf wasn't there the first time, but I can't reproduce it
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08:13
<work_alkisg>
Whoops mate does the right thing when remote users try to poweroff the server; it prompts them. Gnome-flashback doesn't prompt, it ignores them.
08:13
...but that's bad for ltsp, because then a teacher on a thin client might power off the server instead...
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08:17
<alkisg>
I think ltsp-server needs to modify org.freedesktop.login1.power-off, org.freedesktop.login1.power-off-multiple-sessions etc...
08:18* alkisg wonders if we can override policykit files instead of sed'ing through them...
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09:35
<fgth>
Hi all,
09:38
small problem with a 14.04 ubuntu server + LTSP install. We have successfully installed a 12.04 server and client (thin and thick), no problem. But on the same server, a 14.04 stop at "starting to serve" and "size of exported file...etc..." when the client connects, and never reach the GUI. Any idea, please ?
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14:32
<work_alkisg>
!learn mate-bug as Disable thin client poweroff via policykit
14:32
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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14:32
<alkisg>
!learn mate-bug as Disable screensaver for fat clients
14:32
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
14:32
<alkisg>
!learn mate-bug as Create ldm-ubuntu-mate-theme
14:32
<ltsp>
The operation succeeded.
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14:39
<alkisg>
vagrantc: I want to have an LDM_GUESTLOGIN=auto option, which is true when LDM_USERNAME is set, and false otherwise, does that make sense? And maybe that would be also true for LDM_AUTOLOGIN
14:40
Of course, the use case where LDM_GUESTLOGIN=True and LDM_USERNAME is unset, and the hostname is used, still applies...
14:43
The problem currently is that sysadmins set LDM_GUESTLOGIN=True (or LDM_AUTOLOGIN=True), then they get a new client or change a NIC, and they complain because login doesn't work for that one client... they think that Xorg restarts etc
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15:01
<vagrantc>
alkisg: isn't it currently a boolean?
15:02
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup, it's boolean, I want to add an "auto" there
15:02
Or I can use the "unset" state for what I want, if it makes more sense...
15:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i'd rather a different option that changing a boolean to a not quite boolean
15:03
<alkisg>
We already have booleans, tri-state booleans, plus auto-booleans
15:03
<vagrantc>
alkisg: unless we change all booleans to have a true/false/auto
15:03
<alkisg>
It's not the first time we'll have this...
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15:03
<vagrantc>
what a mess we have. :)
15:04
<alkisg>
Let me see a few examples...
15:04
No it's ok, it even maps to GUI :D
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15:06
<vagrantc>
ok, so the problem is that LDM_GUESTLOGIN/LDM_AUTOLOGIN default to a username which may not be present on the server, and logs in with an invalid user, and doesn't provide good feedback?
15:07
<alkisg>
Yes, they just see xorg restarts
15:07
And it tries to autologin with hostname, whatever that may happen to be
15:07
<vagrantc>
so it wouldn't change LDM_GUESTLOGIN/LDM_AUTOLOGIN=true?
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15:10
<work_alkisg>
Sorry I got a very bad connection today...
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15:12
<alkisg>
if [ "$LDM_GUESTLOGIN" = "auto" ]; then
15:12
if [ -n "$LDM_USERNAME" ]; then LDM_GUESTLOGIN=True; else LDM_GUESTLOGIN=False
15:12
fi
15:12
<ogra_>
you will have to rename all functions, if it has "auto" a boolean becomes a tristate, no ?
15:13
<alkisg>
ogra_: if we map "auto" to "true/false" once before we actually use it, we don't need to change anything else
15:13
<ogra_>
alkisg, that was a joke :)
15:13
<alkisg>
Sorry, multitasking kills humor :(
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15:23
<vagrantc>
alkisg: so we'd put that code in ltsp_config.d or something?
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15:34
<championofcyrodi>
finally getting around to testing https://code.launchpad.net/~bennabiy/ltsp/ldm-hashing/+merge/228560 in my environment
15:34
boss man will be thrilled to have workstations that actually lock.
15:35
my ticket to fix the screen saver issues was created 10/Dec/14 11:57 AM :(
15:36
<vagrantc>
that issue has been around as long as people have been mesing with localapps and fatclients...
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15:52
<championofcyrodi>
hmmm, so i set LDM_PASSWORD_HASH=true in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/amd64/lts.conf, however the /etc/shadow file only has ! for my user's password. Is this a patch I need to manually apply? looks my my ltsp-server package is from 2015-01-27
15:52
looks like the src is C... so I assume it needs to be compiled and applied?
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15:59
<championofcyrodi>
I'm not very comfortable w/ launchpad, but it looks like the patch was merged with the master by bennabiy last July. So I guess I need to see when the last release to apt repo was...
15:59
<alkisg>
vagrantc: yup
16:00
championofcyrodi: which distro/version?
16:00
<championofcyrodi>
trusty/14.04.1
16:01
<alkisg>
We have daily builds on PPAs, you might be able to use one of those
16:01
Google for ltsp daily builds, or for bennabiy ppa, one of those would do...
16:02
You need both newer ldm and ltsp
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16:02
<championofcyrodi>
this could break current set up though right? i guess i should test upgrading from working ltsp-server from the ubuntu repo to ppa on another system first?
16:03
<alkisg>
I don't think ltsp-trunk is much different than 14.04, so I don't expect it to break anything
16:03
<championofcyrodi>
okay
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16:10
<championofcyrodi>
okay, so i've added this ppa: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/ubuntu/daily and apt-get update worked since i also added the signing key.
16:10
the 'deb'
16:10
not src..
16:12
apt search shows: ltsp-server/trusty,now 5.5.1-1ubuntu2 all [installed]
16:12
basic LTSP server environment
16:14
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/5.5.1-1ubuntu2: so yea, this version doesnt have the ldm fix since its from 04-14-2014
16:14
*ldm password hashing
16:16
looks like even the daily ltsp-upstream ppa has an older version of ltsp... so I guess I need to update just 'ldm' ?
16:17
ah i see... the ldm package is actually inside the chroot..
16:21
so do i just ltsp-chroot and add the PPA there, update the package and rebuild the image?
16:21
http://paste.ubuntu.com/10713024/
16:22
^those are the packages inside the chroot.
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16:54
<championofcyrodi>
alkisg: when you say i need a newer ltsp and ldm, do you mean that i need to upgrade the packages for both the server and the fat client image?
16:55
<alkisg>
championofcyrodi: ...do you really want me to check which of them are needed client side, which server side, and which both? Why not update all of them?
16:57
<championofcyrodi>
no. I was asking because I wasnt sure if the PPA was intended to be used for the client side. since the ltsp package on the PPA is further behind than the ubuntu repo.
16:57
<alkisg>
If the daily builds fail, and there are no newer ltsp versions there, we need to fix that
16:57
<championofcyrodi>
i'm looking here: https://launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+archive/ubuntu/daily
16:57
and the newest ltsp package has a timestamp of 2013
16:58
with a link that says a newer version is available in the ubuntu ppa
16:58
<alkisg>
https://code.launchpad.net/~ltsp-upstream/+recipe/ltsp-trunk-daily
16:58
build logs there will show the error, probably something changed in the packaging...
17:00
I requested a build now, let's see if the build errors persist...
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<championofcyrodi>
the last build error seems to indicate that autoreconf is failing to generate the config files for the build.
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<championofcyrodi>
hmmm patch hunk fail on that one.
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<work_alkisg>
vagrantc: is https://code.launchpad.net/~vagrantc/ltsp/ldm-debian-packaging supposed to be able to build ldm-trunk? Or does it match an older version of ldm?
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17:24
<alkisg>
And, same question for ltsp-debian-packaging...
17:24
The daily builds fail
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<vagrantc>
alkisg: they match what's in debian.
17:44
alkisg: once the freeze happens, i have to select specific patches rather than upload new upstream versions.
17:47
<alkisg>
vagrantc: maybe there could be packaging "series" that match each debian version, and one that matches -trunk?
17:48
In debian terminology, oldstable, stable, testing, and experimental=daily ?
17:48
E.g. where do you keep the debian packaging for wheezy currently?
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<vagrantc>
work_alkisg: in theory i keep it in another random branch
19:13
work_alkisg: so right now experimental would be from a version since before wheezy, since that was the last experimental upload :P
19:13
work_alkisg: well, i only introduce branches when i need to diverge.
19:14
work_alkisg: in debian, most development happens in unstable, loosely targeted at testing
19:14
work_alkisg: but i guess i could name them after each release target ... i.e. ltsp-debian-wheezy-packaging, ltsp-debian-jessie-packaging, etc.
19:14
work_alkisg: still wouldn't get you your daily stuff, since i don't build dailies
19:15* vagrantc would rather move it all to git anyways.
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<championofcyrodi>
well, i'm not really sure how to implement the upstream packages from ltsp daily. I naively used the ubuntu community ltsp impl (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP) and didn't realize it was not updated as frequently as i need.
20:56
it sounds like i want to do something like this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UseStgraberPPA
20:56
but that doc is outdated.
20:57
where ppa:stgraber/ppa ~ ppa:ltsp-upstream/daily
21:00
also this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot only explains how to move your existing chroot to the side and build a new one. However, I would like to keep my existing chroot configuration and just update the ldm/ltsp/ltspfs packages.
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<vagrantc>
championofcyrodi: makes it hard to revert
21:09
championofcyrodi: but you can use standard apt commands in the chroot, preferrably with ltsp-chroot.
21:09
championofcyrodi: sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get update && sudo ltsp-chroot apt-get upgrade
21:09
but yes, LTSP on Ubuntu is lagging :(
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<vagrantc>
hrm. upstream overlayfs incompatibilities with NFS may call the question here soon...
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