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Channel log from 2 June 2009   (all times are UTC)

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<NeonLicht>
Is it possible to use local printers on thin clients? and, is it possible to print on them from other clients?
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<alkisg>
NeonLicht: yes, see the ltsp docs: http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#printer
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<stgraber>
ogra: btw, in case you haven't noticed I've split with vagrant's help ldm-ubuntu-themes to a separate source package and the themes in 4 different binary packages. That should help for CD space.
07:06
<ogra>
i did !
07:06
vagrants name on karmic-changes doesnt pass me unnoticed ! :)
07:07
his first official mentioning in an ubuntu upload
07:07
<stgraber>
yeah :)
07:07
just need to get an archive admin to allow everything to enter back in main and that should work :)
07:08
and an ACL change so I can then upload updated ldm-ubuntu-themes ;)
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<ogra>
shouldnt be a prob since its just a split
07:12
<_UsUrPeR_>
morning! :D
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<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: is alex around ?
07:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
stgraber: he will not be in for a bit today. I'll let him know you're looking for him, though.
07:36
<stgraber>
_UsUrPeR_: ok, thanks
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08:48
<sbalneav>
Morning all
08:49
<alkisg>
!s
08:49
<ltspbot`>
alkisg: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
08:49
<matttttt>
morning
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
stgraber: ping
09:00
<stgraber>
CAN-o-SPAM: pong
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<stgraber>
ogra: ping
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<ogra>
pong
09:42
<stgraber>
ogra: who's the copyright holder for the backgrounds in ldm-ubuntu-themes
09:42
<ogra>
me i guess
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<ogra>
unless they changed from my initial ones
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<stgraber>
my upload got rejected because of missing copyright informations ...
09:43
ogra: what license ?
09:43
<ogra>
humm
09:43
who rejected them ?
09:43
<stgraber>
Riddell
09:43
<ogra>
they are plain colored rectangular pngs
09:44
<stgraber>
yeah and they already were in the archive ...
09:44
anyway, what license should I mention in the copyright file so Riddell is happy ? ;)
09:44
<ogra>
whatever we use for wallpapers, no idea ... i really dont feel like plain colored rectangles need copyrights :P
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<stgraber>
ok CCBYSA that'll be then ;)
09:45
<ogra>
fine
09:45
what a waste of time :P
09:45
<stgraber>
yeah ...
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<ogra>
stgraber, note that its <ogra@canonical.com> Canonical LTD.
09:49
<stgraber>
argh, I put @ubuntu.com :(
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<ogra>
i did it on work time, ubuntu.com works too, but Canonical Ltd. needs to be mentioned
09:53
<stgraber>
10:48 < Riddell> stgraber: full copy of CC included?
09:53
10:48 < Riddell> copyright mentioned for ubuntu and variant logos?
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...
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<ogra>
sigh
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<stgraber>
I really like wasting my time for that ...
09:54
<Lumiere>
just remember you're wasting your time
09:55
so they don't get Canonical laywers chewing on their rears
09:55
<stgraber>
Lumiere: well, in these case we're the copyright owners ourselves so ...
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<Lumiere>
yes, but they need to have that information
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when some other lame lawyer comes with a hatchet
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<ogra>
then it all boils down to the person who added the stuff
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which in the end is a canonical employee ...
09:58
<stgraber>
ogra: where can I find that license for copy/pasting it's not on the system and their website is confusing ...
09:59
<ogra>
ubuntu-artwork package ?
09:59
just use whatever is used in there
10:01
<stgraber>
and now that ubuntu logo ...
10:01
<ogra>
same license, its in ubuntu-artwork, no ?
10:02
<stgraber>
oh, indeed, great :)
10:07
<ogra>
debian/copyright from ubuntu-artwork should apply to all logos
10:08
<stgraber>
ok, this one should be good but it really becomes stupid for a copyright file to be 314 lines long ...
10:08
<ogra>
just copy paste it, add me for the solid color wallpapers and be done
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s/add me/add me to the authors/
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<stgraber>
that's basically what I did, separate the authors for the various themes and logos by copy/pasting from ubuntu-artwork and what I got from the author of the ubuntu one
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<ogra>
Copyright:
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Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd.
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10:10
http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy
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thats the important bit for the logos
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the rest is mine
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<stgraber>
http://paste.ubuntu.com/186602/
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<ogra>
stgraber, i dont think the authors have anything to do with the logo
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(line 28 to 30)
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<stgraber>
ogra: well, they were in the author file just next to the logo in ubuntu-artwork so ...
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<ogra>
well, the logos are all Copyright 2004-2006 Canonical Ltd.
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*all* of them
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(you dont mention the x,ed,kubuntu ones
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)
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http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/TrademarkPolicy needs to be in there
10:30
hmm, 2004-2009 indeed
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ignore the authors they apply to the ubuntu-artwork package, not to the logo
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https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official
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<mib_w087u4>
greetings!
11:00
<bieb>
I am looking into trying to get a school to use LTSP... can MS office be served with Wine? or CodeWeavers? from the ltsp server?
11:01
<mib_w087u4>
I hope there is someone that can lend me a bit of a hand. I am trying to make a virtual machine network boot installer. I have the network boot part working. but how do i instead of just doing net boot get it to install over network?
11:01
this is on ubuntu 9
11:02
<johnny>
bieb, why? ready to pay for license for each usage?
11:02
mib_w087u4, that's not ltsp.. there are plenty of tutorials for install over network
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search of netinstall
11:03
<mib_w087u4>
have you googled that term yourself lately?
11:03
<johnny>
sure
11:03
<mib_w087u4>
its like looking for an opinion everyone has one version of it.
11:03
<johnny>
and?
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<sbalneav>
mib_w087u4: this might be useful
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http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
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<johnny>
i just searched for ubuntu netinstall .. found good results right away
11:04
<sbalneav>
Or this
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http://mediakey.dk/~cc/ubuntu-netboot-and-netinstall-with-pxe/
11:04
<bieb>
johnny: We already have the per seat licensing
11:04
<johnny>
bieb, .. sure .. then you could
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it'll just work
11:05
<sbalneav>
bieb: I beleive msword and excel are both certified to work with codeweavers
11:05
<johnny>
oh wait.. i forgot the critical part.. the local wine install directory :(
11:05
<sbalneav>
And, by extention, should work with wine
11:05
<johnny>
sbalneav, i wonder when they are going to allow to install apps in /opt/wine/Program Files
11:05
altho a symlink would help i guess
11:06
<mib_w087u4>
Curiouse what is the differance between ltsp and pxe?
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<johnny>
ltsp uses pxe
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often anyways
11:06
<sbalneav>
johnny: yeah, I've done that in the past. I just install the program for a "shared" user, then manage things with symlinks
11:06
<mib_w087u4>
ok so how is netboot / net install not something covered by ltsp?
11:06
<johnny>
sbalneav, sure.. but they should support it
11:06
<bieb>
ok.. should I use Wine? or Codeweavers?
11:06
<johnny>
ltsp does cover netbooted ltsp
11:07
bieb, find out what works good enough.. try free wine.. if it's not good enough try codeweavers
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<sbalneav>
mib_w087u4: because the ltsp project is about providing a thin client solution, not a netinstall solution.
11:07
<bieb>
ok..
11:07
<johnny>
i'm glad my users are happy enough with openoffice. and i don't have to worry about licensing
11:08
<mib_w087u4>
openoffice is a great program for the money :)
11:08
<johnny>
no.. it's a great program in general
11:08
i don't run windows.. so it is very helpful
11:08
<bieb>
in the header message of this channel it says to check out Ubuntu/debian/Fedora, for awesome integration.. any good links for Ubuntu??
11:08
<mib_w087u4>
the UI is a bit clunky for the spreadsheets.
11:08
<ogra>
!ubuntu
11:08
<ltspbot`>
ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall
11:08
<johnny>
!ogra
11:08
<ltspbot`>
johnny: "ogra" is ogra!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
11:08
<johnny>
hehe
11:08
<ogra>
:)
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<mib_w087u4>
lol people just have to have bots.
11:09
i remember how much fun i used to have re-programming bots.
11:09
<bieb>
johnny: this project is for a Law School... the students have to turn in papers and such with Word, Excel, Powerpoint. If I was able to change all the faculty (and outside publishers) over to OOo I would
11:11
<johnny>
bieb, then you're gonna have to setup symlinks
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in /etc/skel
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to point to a local installed directory
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<bieb>
the only other issue I have to resolve is the "pay for print software"
11:11
<johnny>
for Program Files
11:12
<cyberorg>
bieb, word/excel etc are names of the programmes that do word processing/spreadsheets, same as ford, vw etc are the names of cars
11:12
<johnny>
hello cyberorg !
11:12
<bieb>
no kidding cyberorg
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<cyberorg>
you dont have to convert anyone, they will still be doing spreadsheets and wordprocessing
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not like you are asking them to use gimp in place of wordprocessor :)
11:13
hi johnny, et al :)
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<bieb>
publishers for Law journals and such wont accept anything that isn't in Word (not even Word Perfect anymore). And I know you can save OOo documents as .doc, but the formatting is not always the same. Trust me you are preaching to the choir.. I have told students in the past to go get OOo and even StarOffice back in the day.
11:15
<cyberorg>
bieb, pdf?
11:15
<bieb>
they wont take .pdf
11:15
they are a bunch of pricks when it comes to moving into the future
11:15
<alkisg>
Word 2007?
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:P
11:16
<cyberorg>
so give them .doc, .xls, ooo saves in that format too ;)
11:16
<sbalneav>
bieb: If you're interested, I work for Legal Aid Manitoba, and we use nothing but OpenOffice.org
11:16
We send documents in both word and pdf with no difficulty.
11:16
<bieb>
you damn Canadians... always thinking forward.. :P
11:17
<alkisg>
I don't think putting wine in /opt will be a trivial task, because the HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE registry key should go in /opt but HKEY_CURRENT_USER should stay in ~/.wine. The same for C:\Program files as opposed to C:\Documents and settings\user.
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<cyberorg>
stgraber, if you guys copyright rectangles will we still be allowed to use it? :)
11:19
<ogra>
wordstar FTW !!
11:20
<cyberorg>
ogra, vi/emags?
11:20
*emacs
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<alkisg>
...hackity hackity hack: FULLPATH="$(cd $(dirname "$0") && pwd)/$(basename "$0")"
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<mib_w087u4>
wow lol i have ben trying to install ubuntu over network to a vmware machine i never made a hard drive for.
11:46
maybe i should focus more on getting some sleep at night.
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<matttttt>
heh
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<mib_w087u4>
I will say though using vmware to prototype things is so usefull. Right now i am trying to see if my install works and i am honestly not 100% sure if ts working or just writing over my functional syste,... but if it does i can go back to the last snapshot :)
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<Lns>
Does anyone know any hard general numbers of LTSP installs around the world? Is the LTSP wiki the only place where people have recorded 'success stories' ?
12:27
<bieb>
anyone know of a good "pay for print" system that I can install on LTSP?
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<Lns>
bieb, hmm, that'd probably be something more general to Linux, not LTSP specific..
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<bieb>
ok
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<Lns>
greets vagrantc
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<ogra>
vagrantc, !
12:29
<Lns>
and ogra !
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<ogra>
vagrantc, the new ubuntu uploader !
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<Lns>
whaaaa...
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<ogra>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/karmic-changes/2009-June/001924.html :)
12:30
<vagrantc>
ogra: heh
12:32
stgraber actually did make changes i didn't make... but the basic jist is mine :)
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<Lns>
hehe
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<ogra>
you should have picked a new description for ldm-server though :)
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<vagrantc>
well, the description isn't accurate with the changes stgraber made
12:34
<ogra>
i mean "ldm-server - LTSP display manager"
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<vagrantc>
ah, sure. will catch that sometime.
12:35
<ogra>
anyway, calling it a day ... bye all
12:35* vagrantc waves
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<syn`>
ogra: are you going to be around another time? I wanted to talk to you about the whole tcm-ng thing
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM, http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/prod/documentation/faq.html#whoLTSP - a billion seats? really?
12:40
<johnny>
that's a seat for a 1/6 or 1/7 of the entire world population hehe
12:40
<Lns>
that's a lot of LTSP!
12:41
<syn`>
yeah, that number seems a bit high
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
ahaha
12:49
whoops
12:49
we're just trying to beat NComputing ... come on guys!
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM, ;)
12:57
CAN-o-SPAM, do you have a more realistic number? I'm putting together an OOo presentation on LTSP to use with a talk I'm doing tonight at a local sysadmin's group meeting
13:00
hrm..ncomputing looks interesting. Unique idea...not sure how it could scale better than normal workstations as far as administration
13:00
well, not a very unique idea i guess, since *nix has been doing it for forever
13:00
unique product
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
Lns: i don't ... that part of the FAQ page was an internal joke, in updating our site looks like we grabbed an old copy
13:12
Lns: i know that you can say thousands of desktops easily
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM, ok cool =) thx
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<johnny>
sure.. proably at least 100K
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maybe 200K
13:13* CAN-o-SPAM thinks we will be just like McDonalds one day with over 1,000,000,000 served!
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<Lns>
hopefully minus the stomach aches!
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
or the michael moore movie, haha
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<Lns>
CAN-o-SPAM, haha..that wasn't michael moore, but close
13:15
supersize my thin client
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a.k.a. how i came up with the 'fat client' concept
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<johnny>
uggh.. i want kernel mode setting on my nv32 :(
13:17
err nv34
13:17
GIMME
13:17
doesn't work quite yet tho
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<jammcq>
hello friends
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<Lns>
hey jammcq, ltsp co-founder
13:33
<sbalneav>
Hey jammcq
13:33
<jammcq>
hey lns
13:33
Scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:34
sbalneav: hey, I watched another episode of ice road trucker last night :)
13:34
<Lns>
that show is pretty cool, for a reality show ;)
13:34
<jammcq>
yeah, I hate reality shows, but somehow, I enjoy watching that one
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<sbalneav>
Your reality show, my reality :)
13:35
<jammcq>
yeah, maybe that's why I like watching it
13:35
<Lns>
sbalneav, you're an ice road trucker, eh?
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<johnny>
uggh.. canadians
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hehe
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<sbalneav>
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2006/01/13/winter-roads060113.html
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Lns: Nope, but I had to drive on one once into Puckatawagan
13:45
Tadoule lake's really gonna get hit hard by climate change.
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<Lns>
sbalneav, woah
13:57
looks like you're a great person to speak of the benefits thin clients offsetting climate change :)
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<sbalneav>
"Use LTSP or the people of Tadoule lake will STARVE TO DEATH!!!"
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Nah, too wordy for a motto
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<CAN-o-SPAM>
sbalneav: hows the weather there this time of year?
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<sbalneav>
Miserable
14:00
It's been one of the coldest springs on record
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cold and wet.
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<Lns>
heh
14:01* CAN-o-SPAM thinks wrong question
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<Lns>
I'm not sure if it was Puckatawagan or not but I was listening to a radio talk with a native from somewhere that was curiously similar in name, they were talking about climate change
14:02
for humans to survive, we need 2 things: a global change in consciousness, and...of course, LTSP!
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<sbalneav>
I *notice* climate change. It cold when it shouldn't be. Hot when it shouldn't be. More wet than it should be. Etc.
14:02
Well, everyone needs ltsp.
14:02
<Lns>
True.
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<gort242z>
Hello. I'm trying to build 5 on RHEL4.5. build_all fails on glibc. I'm trying to get an idea as to why but the error file doesn't seem to be too revealing.
14:45
any clues on how to get more info from the build process so I can debug this?
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<johnny>
huh?
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<sbalneav>
gort242z: Building 5? Or 4.2?
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<johnny>
build_all of what?
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<gort242z>
Building 5.
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the entire lbe/ltsp pkg.
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<sbalneav>
gort242z: lbe isn't 5
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that's 4.2
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<gort242z>
ooooooookie.
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<sbalneav>
Where did you download the source from?
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<gort242z>
cvs
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<sbalneav>
yeah, that's definitely 4.2
14:49
I beleive there
14:49
's fedora packages for ltsp5
14:49
might those work for you?
14:50
You could download the srpms and try recompiling those.
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<gort242z>
I can try them - but I'd rather just go from source.
14:50
ah - okay.
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<sbalneav>
if you want to go from source, ltsp is kept in bzr in launchpad
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bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ltsp-trunk
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bzr branch lp:~ltsp-upstream/ltsp/ldm-trunk
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<Gadi>
so, I just installed jaunty and apt-get installed virt-manager and kvm killed my networking
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... swing an a miss
15:51
*and
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:)
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<try2free>
hi
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<sbalneav>
Hello
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<try2free>
sbalneav: can you help me?
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i set lts.conf for using old monitor now if i logout screen goes blank why?
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<sbalneav>
try2free: Don't know. Could you tell me a bit more about your setup?
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<try2free>
XSERVER = VESA
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X_VIDEORAM = 4096
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X_COLOR_DEPTH = 16
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X_MODE_0 = 800x600 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync
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that's on lts.conf
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: hey, btw found a funny issue
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sbalneav: remember that our Xauthory is in /var/run/ldm-xauth ?
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the issue is that the locking procedure for Xauthority is to write a <filename>- file as a lock but of course the user doesn't have right access to /var/run/
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so anything requiring locking on Xauthority fails :)
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<try2free>
sbalneav: can you figure out why?
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<sbalneav>
try2free: No, sorry. What version of LTSP are you using?
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stgraber: We used to write things in /tmp for this reason.
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<alkisg>
(morning all) stgraber: I'll be going to the school with the ldm-hanging-on-logout problem in half an hour, do you want me to test sbalneav's patch?
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<sbalneav>
I'd suggest either moving Xauthority back to there, or alternatively, creating a /var/ldm directory with 1777 permissions
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<alkisg>
try2free: distro/version?
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<sbalneav>
try2free: Which version of LTSP are you using, on what distro of linux?
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<try2free>
ubuntu 8.04
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how to know ltsp version?
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<sbalneav>
Well, if it's 8.04, it's probably ltsp5
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Do you get a login screen?
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<try2free>
yes, i can login with no problem
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but if logout get blank screen
23:28* alkisg suggests this for try2free and leaves for school:
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<ltsppbot>
"alkisg" pasted "Custom X_HORZSYNC/X_VERTREFRESH" (6 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/365
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<try2free>
alkisg: thanks i'll try first... now
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<alkisg>
Ooops actually X_RANDR wansn't there in 8.10, replace it with X_MODE_0=800x600
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Bye all
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Eerm... 8.04 I meant
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<sbalneav>
try2free: If you bump up the video ram to something larger, does that help?
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<try2free>
8192?
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let me try
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<sbalneav>
Might try that.
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<johnny>
scott, hello
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<stgraber>
sbalneav: welll, IIRC we added the pid to that file so we could have more than one ldm
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sbalneav: my suggestion would be to make /var/run/ldm-xauth-xyz a directory owned by the current user (changed by a ldm rc script) and then have the Xauthority inside it
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makes sense ?
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<try2free>
alkisg : same, i'll try sbalneav instructions now
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<sbalneav>
stgraber: Seems ok.
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Hello johnny
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<stgraber>
ok, going for some sleep now (just did an iTalc stability debugging and fix, so need some sleep ;)). See you tomorrow.
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<try2free>
sbalneav: still, blank screen after logout
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sbalneav: i am using old monitor
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<sbalneav>
When it's sitting at the black screen, what happens if you type ctl-alt-backspace?
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<try2free>
somebody know how to set clock in login screen? because it's not syncronnize with server
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sbalneav: keep blank screen
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<sbalneav>
can you ctl-alt-f1?
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<try2free>
sbalneav: seems like blank screen and computer hang/not responding?
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sbalneav: same condition
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<sbalneav>
Then the computer's actually hung up.
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Is this all machines you have doing this, or only one thin client?
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<try2free>
only this client and with old monitor
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if using new monitor no problem at all
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<johnny>
blame the monitor
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get a new one :)
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<sbalneav>
With a new one, do you use the vesa driver, or just the autodetected driver?
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<try2free>
sbalneav: autodetect
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sbalneav: can you help me with clock in login screen?
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sbalneav: how to syncronize with server clock?
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<sbalneav>
Then I'd say it's probably a bug in the vesa driver that's hanging the machine up.
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there's no synchronization from the server clock.
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No one's written one.
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It just gets the clock from the bios.
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<try2free>
sbalneav: why my clock different in login screen?
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sbalneav: so my bios time is incorrect?
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<loather-work>
you could run ntpd on the terminals.
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or alternatively have it ntpdate some ntp server on boot.
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<sbalneav>
try2free: correct.
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<loather-work>
but that's kinda hackish
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<sbalneav>
loather-work: well, no.
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<try2free>
sbalneav: thanks, see you
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<sbalneav>
Setting the clock on a thin client shouldn't be an "ltsp" problem, per se.
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<loather-work>
no, it shouldn't per se, but if having accurate time is important then it might be worthwhile to hack ntpd into the ltsp chroot.
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always something the individual user can do if they need that functionality.
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<sbalneav>
right.
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<try2free>
sbalneav: i see my bios time is correct. i mean my welcome login screen clock different with server
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<sbalneav>
try2free: define "different"?
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how MUCH different?
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minutes? hours? how many hours?
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<loather-work>
bbl.
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<try2free>
now my server time 11.45am and my ltsp client 6.45pm
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something like that
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range about 6 hours
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<johnny>
and your bios time is?
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sounds like a difference between local time and gmt
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my clocks are always gmt
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in the bios
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<loather-work>
6:45 PM would be about accurate in CEST
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<sbalneav>
try2free: then I'd say the timezone isn't set correctly in the chroot.
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<try2free>
and my bios time is about 11.45am same with server
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<johnny>
and GMT would be?
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<try2free>
sbalneav: how to figure out?
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<sbalneav>
either that, or the chroot's configured to look at the bios clock as if it was set to UTC.
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<johnny>
yeah
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<try2free>
johnny: i don't know about setting GMT
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<loather-work>
johnny: -2 hours from CEST. (so about 4:52PM)
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<sbalneav>
try2free: try setting your bios clock to the current time UTC
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<johnny>
ah
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that's big diff then
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wrong
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<loather-work>
anyhow, really leaving. bbl.
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<sbalneav>
bye loather-work