IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 22 December 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:03Ahmuck-Sr has joined #ltsp
00:07Ahmuck-Sr has quit IRC
00:10map7 has quit IRC
00:19alkisg has joined #ltsp
00:22veebull has left #ltsp
00:27Brian_H has quit IRC
01:06alkisg has quit IRC
01:13alkisg has joined #ltsp
01:27pimpministerp has quit IRC
01:45Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC
01:47Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp
02:11hersonls has quit IRC
04:33ogra has quit IRC
04:34ogra has joined #ltsp
04:48alexqwesa has quit IRC
05:30hersonls has joined #ltsp
06:31scottmaccal has joined #ltsp
06:40pmatulis has joined #ltsp
07:09alexqwesa has joined #ltsp
07:13alkisg has quit IRC
07:23epaphus has joined #ltsp
07:37cmm1 has joined #ltsp
07:38cliebow has quit IRC
07:38cliebow has joined #ltsp
07:45epaphus has quit IRC
07:56shawnp0wers has joined #ltsp
07:58Gadi has joined #ltsp
08:16epaphus has joined #ltsp
08:22rjune has joined #ltsp
08:32highvoltage has quit IRC
08:38highvoltage has joined #ltsp
08:53alkisg has joined #ltsp
09:01Ahmuck-Jr has quit IRC
09:08Brian_H has joined #ltsp
09:39CAN-o-SPAM has joined #ltsp
09:53dro has joined #ltsp
09:55yanu_ has quit IRC
09:59pmatulis has quit IRC
10:03pmatulis has joined #ltsp
10:04alkisg1 has joined #ltsp
10:09krbaum has joined #ltsp
10:14staffencasa has joined #ltsp
10:14pmatulis_ has joined #ltsp
10:16pmatulis has quit IRC
10:18alkisg has quit IRC
10:20pmatulis has joined #ltsp
10:23alkisg1 is now known as alkisg
10:37cliebow has quit IRC
10:37cliebow has joined #ltsp
10:54cliebow has quit IRC
10:54cliebow has joined #ltsp
11:05ltspbot has joined #ltsp
11:13pmatulis has quit IRC
11:13pmatulis_ has quit IRC
11:14pmatulis has joined #ltsp
11:16pmatulis_ has joined #ltsp
11:17cliebow has quit IRC
11:27dro has quit IRC
11:34Gadi has quit IRC
11:36Gadi has joined #ltsp
12:05Gadi has quit IRC
12:10Gadi has joined #ltsp
12:23Appiah has quit IRC
12:23zamba has quit IRC
12:23evilx_ has quit IRC
12:23Wastrel_ has quit IRC
12:23jhutchins_lt has quit IRC
12:23Patina has quit IRC
12:23staffencasa has quit IRC
12:23jbrett has quit IRC
12:23sep has quit IRC
12:23primeministerp has quit IRC
12:25zamba has joined #ltsp
12:28staffencasa has joined #ltsp
12:28Appiah has joined #ltsp
12:28evilx_ has joined #ltsp
12:28Wastrel_ has joined #ltsp
12:28jhutchins_lt has joined #ltsp
12:28sep has joined #ltsp
12:28primeministerp has joined #ltsp
12:28Patina has joined #ltsp
12:28jbrett has joined #ltsp
12:36Lns has joined #ltsp
12:36rjune has quit IRC
12:44Ahmuck-Sr has joined #ltsp
12:46rjune has joined #ltsp
12:50CAN-o-SPAM has quit IRC
12:51Patina has quit IRC
12:51jhutchins_lt has quit IRC
12:51evilx_ has quit IRC
12:51Wastrel_ has quit IRC
12:51Appiah has quit IRC
12:51primeministerp has quit IRC
12:51sep has quit IRC
12:51jbrett has quit IRC
12:51staffencasa has quit IRC
13:18sbalneav has joined #ltsp
13:18
<sbalneav>
Darn kids, resetting my box :)
13:18
Warcraft probably crashed :)
13:20
<Lns>
warcraft on ltsp? ;)
13:20staffencasa has joined #ltsp
13:20Appiah has joined #ltsp
13:20evilx_ has joined #ltsp
13:20Wastrel_ has joined #ltsp
13:20jhutchins_lt has joined #ltsp
13:20sep has joined #ltsp
13:20primeministerp has joined #ltsp
13:20Patina has joined #ltsp
13:20jbrett has joined #ltsp
13:21
<Lns>
damn, this ddos is still happening??
13:21zamba has quit IRC
13:21Gadi has quit IRC
13:29yanu has joined #ltsp
13:29zamba has joined #ltsp
13:29Gadi has joined #ltsp
13:30veebull_ has joined #ltsp
13:31DawnLight has joined #ltsp
13:31
<DawnLight>
i can't edit the wiki
13:33
<sbalneav>
Do you have a login id?
13:34
<DawnLight>
i seem to be logged in using my sf.net
13:34otavio has joined #ltsp
13:36
<DawnLight>
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Special:ListGroupRights
13:36
users got no edit perm
13:37
and you've been wondering why the wiki wasn't going anywhere...
13:52shawnp0wers has quit IRC
13:54
<Lns>
DawnLight: which wiki?
13:55
<Appiah>
DawnLight: are you logged in?
13:57
<DawnLight>
Lns: Appiah: i'm talking about
13:58
https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Main_Page
13:58
see the previous link
13:58
<Appiah>
I'll take it as a yes
13:58
<DawnLight>
ah, sorry. oh. yes
14:00
i'll be back
14:00DawnLight has quit IRC
14:09vagrantc has joined #ltsp
14:10otavio has quit IRC
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
hey all
14:24
<Appiah>
heya
14:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
did the "x_conf =" disappear from lts.conf?
14:25
in 9.10
14:25
I'm referring to the functionality, mind you. :)
14:25
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: no, I don't think so (haven't tried, though). What makes you think that?
14:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: I'm not seeing any effects in /var/log/Xorg.7.log when I am pointing to a perfectly good xorg.conf file
14:26
which I put on the chroot, *and* updated
14:27
so I know it's there.....
14:27
<alkisg>
Yeah that would be a valid reason to make you think that... :D
14:28
So getltscfg -a does return X_CONF=xxx?
14:28
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: it shows everything in the lts.conf
14:29
<alkisg>
And it's with capital letters and everything? ...time to look at the sources, then...
14:29
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: X_CONF="/etc/X11/xorg_test.conf"
14:31
<alkisg>
Looks fine, so /me gives up...
14:31
<_UsUrPeR_>
D:
14:31
ok
14:37* alkisg is in the middle of his first ldap-installation, so no brain-matter to spare on looking at the sources now :D
14:39
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: if you need any help, let me know. I have in recent months become quite versed in ldapping
14:39
<alkisg>
Hey, thanks, much appreciated.
14:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
also, I know ldap is mighty confusing the first time around
14:46ltspbot has joined #ltsp
14:50
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: I've setup my server, and now I can e.g. do `id user` from the client, and I can "see" the ldap user. And, with `sudo su user` I can login as this user, but I can't login as `user` normally.
14:50
I'd like to try LDAP without NFS, for starters. So I guess I need some package to create the home dir on the client and to set the proper permissions. I've done the "LDAP Authentication" steps from <http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html>, what else would I need?
14:51
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: is the user's home directory in existence?
14:51
alkisg: if not, is it created using skel upon login?
14:51
<alkisg>
Nope, but I should be able to login on the console without it
14:52
I can't even do `su user` now... so I must have some configuration wrong on the client
14:52
let me pastebin the auth logs...
14:52
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, let's ignore that for now then. could you pastebin me a "ldap-search -x", your /etc/nsswitch.conf, and /etc/ldap.conf?
14:54alkisg_client has joined #ltsp
14:54scottmaccal has quit IRC
14:55hersonls has quit IRC
14:55
<alkisg_client>
The auth error: http://paste.ubuntu.com/344943/
14:55
ldapsearch -x: http://pastebin.com/f4d8202f2
14:56
nsswitch: http://pastebin.com/f1c5e4490
14:57
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg / alkisg_client: is the server attempting to authenticate against the ldap server, or is it the separate client?
14:57
<alkisg>
It's a seperate client
14:57
All those commands were issued from the client
14:58
<_UsUrPeR_>
Is that a requirement that the client authenticates as opposed to the server?
14:58
<alkisg>
Ah, I'm not sure I'm following
14:58
I just want to login to the client using a user from the ldap db
14:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
typically, the LDAP authentication takes place on the server during ldm login on the client.
14:59
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: can you pastebot your lts.conf?
14:59
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: It's not an LTSP installation...
14:59
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: rgr, and thanks in advance :)
14:59
alkisg: haha oh :)
15:00
alkisg: do you have a /etc/ldap.conf?
15:00
<alkisg>
Yes, both an /etc/ldap.conf and an /etc/ldap/ldap.conf !!!
15:01
<alkisg_client>
/etc/ldap.conf: http://pastebin.com/f6e0e8489
15:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: the /etc/ldap/ldap.conf is specific to ldap-search
15:01
it appears to be operating properly
15:01
<alkisg>
All those files are from the client...
15:01
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: yeah, that makes sense. gimme a moment to get this lts.conf to gadi
15:02
<alkisg>
Sure, no hurry...
15:05
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: http://pastebin.com/m75532fff
15:05
<Gadi>
well, first off "screen" should be SCREEN
15:06
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: the host line in the ldap.conf, have you attempted to use a reversed address?
15:06
<Gadi>
in the first two lines
15:06
that should not impact X_CONF tho
15:06pmatulis has quit IRC
15:07
<Gadi>
on the client console, you should: ps -efw|grep X
15:07
<_UsUrPeR_>
Gadi: I beg to differ. It functions properly independent of the capitalization. I am, after all, able to access screen_02's shell with this present lts.conf
15:07
<Gadi>
and see what the X command line looks like
15:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: one moment while I boot a client
15:08
<Gadi>
_UsUrPeR_: thats bizarre - unless somebody put code to capitalize parameters
15:08
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: I believe they did, because what is returned from getltscfg -a is all in caps
15:09
<Gadi>
huh.
15:09
go figure
15:09
and we never touch getltscfg
15:09
it's holy
15:09
it must have always done that
15:09
:)
15:09
<_UsUrPeR_>
hah
15:09
anyway, I got two returns from that grep argument
15:10
<Gadi>
either with a -config?
15:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
lemme type it out
15:10
<Gadi>
well, if there is one with an Xorg -config ....
15:10
thats the important one
15:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
root 3286 3173 0 16:08 tty7 00:00:00 xinit /usr/share/ltsp/xinitrc /usr/bin/ldm -- :7 vt7 auth /var/run/ldm-auth-T31o4x3KP/Xauthority -config /etc/X11/via-xorg.conf -br
15:11
<Gadi>
ah - that's a beautiful thing
15:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
:/
15:12
alkisg: any luck?
15:12
<alkisg>
Nah... :(
15:12
<Gadi>
so, it is indeed using /etc/X11/via-xorg.conf
15:12
can you paste your Xorg.7.log?
15:13
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: It's something about authentication. I can authenticate when I run the ldap* utils as root, but not when I run them as a normal user. What's the SASL authentication? Do I need it, or plain authentication is enough?
15:13
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: yeh. lemme scp it over
15:13
sasl is not needed for you to auth
15:13
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: if you run ltsp-localapps xterm, then you can just copy it to the current user's home dir
15:13
...as it is mounted with sshfs
15:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: unfortunately, there's no ldm or X screen within which to login and copy :)
15:14
<alkisg>
Ah
15:14
vesa... :D
15:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: http://pastebin.com/m6693dd42
15:16
<Gadi>
(++) Using config file: "/etc/X11/via-xorg.conf"
15:16
:)]
15:16
<_UsUrPeR_>
flpx
15:17
Gadi: WANNA LOOK AT AN XORG.CONF?!? :D
15:17
<Gadi>
hehe
15:18
<_UsUrPeR_>
gadi: gimme a moment
15:18
epiphany
15:19pmatulis_ has quit IRC
15:21alkisg_client has quit IRC
15:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: ok, I am thinking that the problem lies in your client's /etc/ldap.conf file. Have you attempted to apply a ldap:///<server ip> thing in there?
15:24
<alkisg>
_UsUrPeR_: wouldn't that affect all the other things as well? E.g. now I'm able to do `id user` correctly...
15:24
So the server is contacted - it's just when I want to authenticate (==give the password) that I'm having problems :(
15:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: what happens right now when you "finger teacher" on the client? tail -f /var/log/auth.log as you run the finger command
15:25
also, does "getent passwd" return the correct LDAP users?
15:25
alkisg: have you made any changes in /etc/pam.d?
15:25
<alkisg>
Everything works fine, finger, getent etc
15:25
<_UsUrPeR_>
weird
15:26
maybe it's a pam issue then
15:26
<alkisg>
How does authentication work?
15:26
I.e. I've put a "secret" password to access the ldap database
15:26
And I've given it to the ldapscripts. But how will pam find that password?
15:27
User=admin with password=secret should be used to access the database
15:27
How will pam know to use password=secret?
15:27
<_UsUrPeR_>
oh. huh. you put a required password for auth on the database. That is actually something I have not used yet
15:28
<alkisg>
I did this: http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/openldap-server.html
15:29
...and I'm talking about the line: olcRootPW: secret
15:29
Also in the frontend: userPassword: secret
15:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: on your client, put a line along the top that says "debug 3"
15:30
<alkisg>
In ldap.conf?
15:30
<_UsUrPeR_>
this will print a bunch of stuff as you attempt to connect to the ldap server
15:30
/etc/ldap.conf
15:30
if you could attempt to authenticate, and fail, and pastebin the output fromt he debug
15:30
s/he/the
15:32alkisg_client has joined #ltsp
15:32
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg_client: remove the quotes from the debug 3
15:32
sorry, forgot to specify :)
15:32
<alkisg>
woah I need to increase the terminal buffer... :D
15:34
I'll be damned! I changed the server.local to my ip, and it works...
15:34
It just wasn't resolving with avahi :(
15:34
<_UsUrPeR_>
:D
15:34alkisg_client has quit IRC
15:35
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: so it was the host?
15:35
<alkisg>
Thanks _UsUrPeR_ :) Yup, it was the host.
15:35
Now to find how to automatically create the home dirs, and how to cache credentials...
15:36
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: I can help you with the home dirs part
15:37
I'll pastebin you a proper common-session
15:38
<alkisg>
Danke! :)
15:38* alkisg can properly login with LDAP! Yey!
15:38
<_UsUrPeR_>
alkisg: http://pastebin.com/m532c98bb
15:38
the important line is the one with skel
15:39
starting with session optional
15:40
<alkisg>
Thanks! Wow, the users even show up in the fusa applet...
15:40
<_UsUrPeR_>
ldap is a cantankerous jerk, but it's a useful cantankerous jerk.
15:42
alkisg: check out LAM for user management
15:42
it is, thus far, the easiest and quickest way to manage ldap.
15:43
s/thus far/as far as I have seen
15:43* alkisg wonders why he was bothering with users-admin all this time... :(
15:44Ahmuck-Sr has quit IRC
15:46
<alkisg>
Hm... I also need to make sure that the clients internet connection is active *before* logon, and also a way to cache credentials, and to make samba use ldap, and then to package all this in a nice .deb... Well... christmas holidays should be enough for all of that :D
15:46
<_UsUrPeR_>
yow
15:47
I'm going to go home tomorrow and finally finish "Dragon Age"
15:51
<alkisg>
I've almost finished the last "monkey island" along with my kids... It was so nice that yesterday I ordered the game online, even though I already had it... :)
15:52
Yawn... it's late here, g'night all. Thanks again _UsUrPeR_!
15:52alkisg has quit IRC
16:00
<stgraber>
vagrantc: you don't happen to be an admin for ltsp-developer ? (the ML on sourceforge) ?
16:00
or anyone currently around here ?
16:01
<vagrantc>
no, i forget who does that
16:01
one of those thankless jobs
16:01
but really important
16:02
<stgraber>
I just sent a mail with an attachment and wondered if someone could approve it, otherwise I'll just upload that somewhere and re-send the mail without it
16:27
<Gadi>
stgraber: saw your email
16:27
lots of inneficiencies in ltsp_entry for sure
16:27
*inefficiencies
16:29
<stgraber>
Gadi: yeah, it's interesting to see the number of times awk/env/grep are called, we're clearly doing something wrong somewhere ;)
16:29
<Gadi>
I'll help you fix if you test
16:29
:)
16:29
<stgraber>
I measured a 4s boot time change if I drop 80-ltspfsd :)
16:30rjune has quit IRC
16:30
<stgraber>
no problem, testing I can easily do :)
16:30rjune has joined #ltsp
16:30Brian_H has left #ltsp
16:30
<Gadi>
good deal
16:35GodFather has joined #ltsp
16:46litlebuda has quit IRC
16:48
<Gadi>
stgraber: still here?
16:49
I think the problem is in ltsp_config
16:49
here: server=$(pgrep -f -l $DEVICE | awk '{print $3}')
16:49
if we can do that withour pgrep and awk, we would be much better served
16:50
<johnny>
what is it doing exactly?
16:50
the pgrep part
16:50
is it looking for some dhcp thing?
16:51
<stgraber>
80-ltspfsd is loading ltsp_config ?
16:51
<Gadi>
yeah
16:51
<stgraber>
that's weird. Anyway, I have to go for a while, I'll look at it a bit later tonight, feel free to paste any idea on IRC, I'll look at the backlog
16:51
<Gadi>
so that we can control behavior via lts.conf vars
16:51
<johnny>
Gadi, are you trying to find a real command that does it? or trying to use a shell built in?
16:51
<Gadi>
shell built in
16:52
johnny: in ltsp_config that line tries to determine the server IP address from the nbd mount
16:52
<johnny>
ah.. only for nbd..
16:52
?
16:52
<dmarkey_>
Gadi: hey
16:52
<Gadi>
yeah - its part of an if clause
16:52
<johnny>
hmm.. but why are we determining it from there Gadi ? isn't it set as SERVER in /etc/hosts ?
16:52
<Gadi>
if there are nbd mounts, try to figure out the ip from the nbd mount
16:53
no, /etc/hosts gets set by it
16:53
<johnny>
ah :)
16:53
<Gadi>
on the fly
16:53
<johnny>
thought that happened on install..
16:53
<Gadi>
nah - you can set SERVER in lts.conf
16:53
<johnny>
but could be overridden
16:53
<Gadi>
and it will write to /etc/hosts
16:53
well, both may be true
16:54
<dmarkey_>
Gadi: have yu tried SPICE?
16:54
<Gadi>
but it still looks for an lts.conf var and then tries to divine it
16:54
<johnny>
Gadi, switch the chroot to busybox? :)
16:54
lol
16:54
<Gadi>
dmarkey_: not yet, but I have seen demos
16:54
seems great for 1:1 VM:client
16:54
would be nice if it could be used in a terminal services env
16:55
<dmarkey_>
Gadi: SPICE + kvm + LTSP could be a good combination
16:55
and our broker we wer talking about
16:55cmm1 has quit IRC
16:55
<Gadi>
well, that's easily achieved, but you would not connect back to the linux box as a terminal server
16:56
you would need 1:1 VM:client
16:56
<dmarkey_>
yep
16:56
i like that model better :)
16:56
<Gadi>
I dont think you even need kvm in that equation
16:56
just spice cclient in the chroot
16:57
and a datacenter with VMs
16:57
running solid ice
16:57
<dmarkey_>
kvm as the virtualisation pkatform
16:57
<Gadi>
the client doesnt need kvm
16:57
only the data center
16:57
afaik
16:57
<dmarkey_>
oh yea i know
16:57
all thats needed is the spice client
16:57
<Gadi>
that model is great, when you have lots of resources
16:58
<dmarkey_>
some people do
16:58
<Gadi>
indeed
16:58
<dmarkey_>
and the multimedia performance is superb
16:58
<Gadi>
most are not in LTSP
16:58
:)
17:00
<dmarkey_>
have you not set up VDI based solutions?
17:00
<Gadi>
I have
17:00
<dmarkey_>
with LTSP as the client piece?
17:01
<Gadi>
sure
17:01
<dmarkey_>
sothat was a 1:1
17:01
<Gadi>
but, I am not representative of most on LTSP
17:01Lns has quit IRC
17:01
<Gadi>
and I have to say true 1:1 VDIs have been fewer and farther between
17:01
many more terminal servers
17:02
VDI is still a baby
17:02
people are still playing with it in smaller doses
17:02
<dmarkey_>
i believe its going to be popular pretty soon, alot of big corporations are using it
17:02
<Gadi>
"using it"
17:03
more like started to experiment with it
17:03
<dmarkey_>
according to VMWare marketing :)
17:03
<Gadi>
:)
17:03
thats why you need always need to check ur sources
17:03
bbiab
17:04
<dmarkey_>
but. i believe its the only way to get good multimedia performance from LTSP without "local-apps"
17:04
<Gadi>
it has nothing to do with LTSP at that point
17:05
<dmarkey_>
which
17:05
<Gadi>
and I can argue that gstreamer can be used to achieve the same result
17:05
in a terminal services env
17:05
but someone needs to code it
17:05
<dmarkey_>
and session mobility
17:08
<Gadi>
true
17:09
<dmarkey_>
i know people in here dont agree with the 1:1 model.
17:09
<Gadi>
its not that they dont agree, its that in many cases it is not practical for them
17:10
it is a more expensive solution, and in many ways inherits management issues of PCs
17:11
which translates into even more expense
17:11
<dmarkey_>
well the right tools, that can be minimised
17:11
<Gadi>
the right tools cost money
17:12
and training
17:12
Im not saying it isnt a better way technically
17:12
<dmarkey_>
if the VMs were linux i dont see any management overhead, except VM lifecycle
17:13
<Gadi>
you don't, huh?
17:13* dmarkey_ thinks
17:13
<dmarkey_>
ermm.. authentication and storage
17:14
<Gadi>
take a look at what all the tools of a vmware or a xenserver that cost money aim to solve
17:14
usually things like "vm sprawl" "automation" "policy-based migration"
17:15
and that just in vm mgmt
17:15
now, lets talk about how to push out changes to all of your running Linux VMs
17:15
say, you want to add software to all of them
17:15
<dmarkey_>
updates?
17:15
<Gadi>
I decide I really like abiword
17:16
<dmarkey_>
it rocks alright
17:16
<Gadi>
now you have me writing scripts to ssh into all running VMs to update them
17:16
and configure things properly
17:16
<dmarkey_>
dsh already exists :)
17:16
<Gadi>
or you have me swapping out their VMs when they arent looking
17:16
whatever
17:16
you have lots of things to manage
17:17
and yes, there are tools
17:17
<dmarkey_>
there's another twist here
17:17
i see spice can add more than one virtual gfx card
17:17
i wonder if one client can connect to one, and another to the second
17:18
<Gadi>
hehe
17:18
yeah, there's lots to play with
17:18
and the one that makes things easy and perform well wins
17:18
:)
17:19
<dmarkey_>
so back to our 1:1 model
17:19
if / was a RO nfs share
17:19
all we have to do is update the "master" machine
17:20
in fact the VM's could pxe boot
17:20
<Gadi>
qemu has a cow feature
17:20
you could use that
17:20
<dmarkey_>
well, lvm snapshotting would be the same?
17:22
<Gadi>
any way we cut it - its all academic to a point
17:23
<dmarkey_>
with NFS, the update would be done once on the server and the client would be patched right away. with COW the VM would have to be "cycled" if you know what i mean
17:27
windows VMs would have to be mostly the desktop model, i would imagine
17:27
<akuepker>
I must say, LTSP5 is very nice. We have two sets of very happy users here that were just migrated from LTSP 4>5.
17:29yanu has quit IRC
17:35yanu has joined #ltsp
17:35GodFather has quit IRC
18:25Gadi has left #ltsp
18:29sbalneav has joined #ltsp
18:33epaphus has quit IRC
18:37staffencasa has quit IRC
19:45Ahmuck-Jr has joined #ltsp
19:46vagrantc has quit IRC
19:48GodFather has joined #ltsp
19:48Egyptian[Home] has quit IRC
19:54spectra has quit IRC
19:55Egyptian[Home] has joined #ltsp
20:14epaphus has joined #ltsp
20:45vagrantc has joined #ltsp
20:50pmatulis has joined #ltsp
21:21GodFather has quit IRC
21:45try2free has joined #ltsp
21:54try2free has left #ltsp
22:08vagrantc has quit IRC
22:14vagrantc has joined #ltsp
22:40leio has quit IRC
22:49leio has joined #ltsp
22:49loather-work has quit IRC
22:49loather-work has joined #ltsp
22:50loathsome has joined #ltsp
22:50pmatulis has quit IRC
22:55rjune has quit IRC
23:24epaphus has quit IRC
23:43alkisg has joined #ltsp