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Channel log from 16 November 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<ME_nerd>
Hi all. I am looking for a little help to resolve a login problem. The problem is that i can login from the ldm greeter, but then the session dies and the ldm greeter comes up again. I checked the logs on the thing client and found a line "Warning: No xauth data; using fake authentication data for X11 forwarding." then "connection to --server-- closed by remote host"
00:39
<sbalneav>
Under what conditions doe the session die?
00:39
<ME_nerd>
uh.... all of them
00:39
i have yet to be able to login
00:39
<sbalneav>
"The problem is that i can login from the ldm greeter,"
00:39
<ME_nerd>
oh
00:40
hahah
00:40
<sbalneav>
So, you can or can't get logged in?
00:40
<ME_nerd>
well the server accepts my login and password
00:40
but then it quickly kills the session before I actually see a desktop
00:40
<sbalneav>
ok, first off:
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!version
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: The current (running) version of this Supybot is 0.83.3. The newest version available online is 0.83.3.
00:41
<ME_nerd>
I also can't ssh into the server from the thin client
00:41
<sbalneav>
meh
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<ME_nerd>
hmmm
00:41
<sbalneav>
What version of host OS, and LTSP are you running?
00:41
<ME_nerd>
ubuntu
00:41
sorry
00:41
<sbalneav>
ubuntu.... what? Hardy?
00:41
<ME_nerd>
i mean ubuntu 8.10, and i will grab the version of ltsp
00:42
<sbalneav>
So, intrepid?
00:42
ok
00:43
So, when you say: "I also can't ssh into the server from the thin client", have you set a root password on the thin client, and you're ctrl-alt-f1'ing to a text login screen, and logging in from there?
00:43
<ME_nerd>
yes, i did enable the root access on the terminal, and did ctrl-alt-f1
00:44
and I can't seem to find the version of ltsp other than ltsp5
00:44
oh yeah, sorry, you helped me last night.... so i forgot to mention it today
00:44
<sbalneav>
Your server's at 192.168.0.254?
00:45* highvoltage does 'ltsp-localapps xterm' these days
00:45
<ME_nerd>
i am serving dhcp and tftp off of one server and x off of anotehr
00:45
no, it is at 192.168.1.141 for the x server
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and 192.168.1.11 for the dhcp server
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<sbalneav>
What does your lts.conf file look like?
00:46
Can you paste it to the pastebot?
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
00:47
<ME_nerd>
just simple right now..... [default] server = 192.168.1.141
00:47
but i will grab the actual file
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<ltsppbot>
"ME_nerd" pasted "lts.conf" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/106
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<sbalneav>
Ditch the SCREEN_07, since it's the default, and try adding back in the LDM_DIRECTX=True
00:50
<ME_nerd>
ok, i was just doing that now
00:53
ok, the same thing happened. to ldm
00:53
this lts.conf should be on the boot server correct?
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<sbalneav>
Yes.
00:54
Two things I'd like to see.
00:54
1) the .xsession-errors file of the user you're trying to log in as.
00:54
2) any errors from the ldm.log file on the thin client.
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<ME_nerd>
i just checked the ldm.log
00:55
that came up with the same errors about xauth
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and the remote host killing the connection
00:55
but it did show that ssh login was successful
00:56
to clarify: early on in the log is says that ssh was successful, i assume because it didn't do any ssh? then later in the log i get the orginal errors
00:57
<sbalneav>
Why don't you copy the log to the server, and paste it in the pastebot?
00:57
<ME_nerd>
i will try to ssh in from the client, but i had no luck last time
00:58
here is .xsession though
00:58
<ltsppbot>
"ME_nerd" pasted "xsession-errors" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/107
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<sbalneav>
xauth: (argv):1: bad "add" command line
01:00
that's going to be your problem right there.
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<ME_nerd>
is that pretty obvious? should i google it :-)
01:02
<sbalneav>
the ldm.log file will help to narrow it down
01:02
<ME_nerd>
yup, i have that (i guess i forgot what my real user name was when i tried to log in before)
01:03
<ltsppbot>
"ME_nerd" pasted "ldm.log" (46 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/108
01:04
<sbalneav>
Have you modified this server's sshd config file?
01:04
<ME_nerd>
no
01:04
<sbalneav>
By maybe disallowing X11 forwarding?
01:04
<ME_nerd>
no, but let me take a look at it
01:05
"X11Forwarding Yes"
01:06
<sbalneav>
ok
01:06
hm, well not sure what's going on, but something's blocking your X forwarding.
01:06
lets try this, as a hack
01:06
<ME_nerd>
ok
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<sbalneav>
in your lts.conf file, add X_ARGS=-ac
01:09
reboot and try that
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<ME_nerd>
ok
01:10
same visual problems
01:10
but i didn't look at ldm.log yet
01:11
ldm.log looks the same but i can post it if you want
01:14
yes, ldm.log is exactly the same except for the magic cookie line
01:14
<sbalneav>
Well, either the xauth file isn't being created properly in the first place, or it's not adding the xauth data to the server.
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<ME_nerd>
ok, well maybe i should scrap it and try again.
01:16
i am just trying to get it up and running for a first time to try it out
01:16
but the x server is my desktop..... so maybe that just makes things more complicated
01:16
<sbalneav>
After it's logged in, can you see the ssh command line?
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<ME_nerd>
hmmmm
01:17
i can in fact log into the server through ssh from the terminal
01:17
but that is independent of logging in through ldm
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(also i get the same problem with startx using gdm or xdm)
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<sbalneav>
If it were me, I'd say something's misconfigured somewhere.
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<ME_nerd>
but not when i do X -query from another system
01:19
probably something on the boot server which is feeding the pxe image to terminal?
01:20
or do you think it is misconfigured on the x server
01:20
<sbalneav>
Not sure, doesn't seem to make sense.
01:20
<ME_nerd>
hahah
01:21
ok well thanks for all the help today, and thanks for pointing me in the right direction last night
01:21
<sbalneav>
the core of the problem is that the ssh isn't forwarding proper X auth data, but rather faking it.
01:21
<ME_nerd>
hmmm
01:22
ok, well i will poke around on the boot server, but if i don't find anything i will restart from fresh
01:22
<sbalneav>
ok, cool
01:22
I'll be around
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<ME_nerd>
alright, have a nice night/day
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<johnny>
dberkholz, no.. but there's a patch to provide custom genkernel profiles, and in that case, we could just provide one for ltsp.. with all the net modules we need
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<Appiah>
I tried to use local apps but I only get 32mb to work on , but my client got 128. I copied the ltsp-localapp script to /usr/bin and added USE_LOCAL_SWAP in lts.conf under [Default]
07:06
Is there more to do ?
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<chrisinajar>
sbalneav: i got an error on the greeter protocol email, did you get the email?
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<johnny>
Appiah, the first part of your sentence doesn't make sense to me
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<dberkholz>
johnny: that sounds useful. got a link or bug #?
12:03
<Appiah>
johnny and why is that?
12:04
USE_LOCAL_SWAP should use the thin client as SWAP right?
12:05
<johnny>
Appiah, that was the 2nd part. i mean the first part
12:05
dberkholz, http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=186652
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<Appiah>
well I opened up a terminal with ltsp-localapp, tried launching firefox
12:07
firefox dies beacuse it runs out of memory
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<johnny>
local swap will take forever
12:07
if you're relying on that, i wouldn't use local apps
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<Appiah>
I do cat /proc/meminfo and see there is very little mem
12:07
<johnny>
it'll be faster over the network
12:07
<Appiah>
oki, should i increase the NBD instead?
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<johnny>
are you using nbd swap?
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<Appiah>
I'm using Ubuntu 8.10 (installed with alternate) If I'm correct NBD is the method by defaylt
12:08
default*
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<johnny>
nbd is default, but not nbd swap
12:09
two seperate things
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<Appiah>
aha
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<johnny>
i think you'er still not going to be happy with the performance
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<Appiah>
I thought using local app for Firefox was working great?
12:10
<johnny>
if you have 256mb or more locally
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of ram
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<Appiah>
hmm
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<johnny>
anything less and you won't be happy from my understanding
12:10
faster to just run it as normal
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<Appiah>
well then there is the problem with to many users
12:11
would be nice to get the load of the server
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some*
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<johnny>
get better clients..
12:11
increase their ram
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<Appiah>
;)
12:16
johnny got any way to see that USE_LOCAL_SWAP is actully on?
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<johnny>
go to a virtual terminal and type cat /proc/swaps
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ctrl + alt + f2
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altho. you'd need SCREEN_02=shell
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in your config
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lts.conf
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<Appiah>
thanks
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<johnny>
wtf is up with canonical upselling in my motd
14:27
please use our new landscape service
14:28
<loather>
canonical gotta eat too
14:28
(not that i appreciate advertizements of any kind being shoved in my face either)
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<jammcq>
fortunately, motd can easily be edited to suit your needs
14:32
<rjune_>
jammcq !
14:32
<jammcq>
hey rjune_
14:33
<rjune_>
johnny: You can always change it
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<loather>
yeah, a simple echo >/etc/motd fixes that :)
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<johnny>
i dont think so
14:39
it's being generated
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<johnny>
so it'll just get regenerated again
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i need to figure out where it comes from and disable it
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<loather>
yeah. that'd be anoying if it kept getting regenerated
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<johnny>
it does
14:40
the information is up to date
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or maybe it looks for certain contents before doing so?
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<loather>
i'd be annoyed if i actually had a useful MOTD and that crap stomped it
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<johnny>
we'll see if it comes back
14:41
i dropped the contents
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<loather>
johnny: aptitude remove landscape-sysinfo
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<johnny>
what are the benefits of aptitude over apt-get anyways?
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i've never had to use it
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<loather>
different tool same job
14:45
didn't know if ubuntu dropped apt-get and friends
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<johnny>
no way
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why would they do that?
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<loather>
dunno. aptitude is being touted as the end-all, but i've never seen anything it can do better than apt-get/apt-cache/etc.
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<johnny>
aptitude existed for debian first iirc?
14:47
<loather>
yup
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<johnny>
and they still use apt-get :)
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<loather>
i think they shipped it first with sarge
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<johnny>
nubae, are you sure you tested your fatclient scripts??
14:57
it generates an almost completely invalid cron script
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the shebang line isn't even in the first line
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err first column
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you need to remove all the spacing if you want to do heredco
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heredoc
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plus.. i think i chose the wrong user..
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<Gadi_eeepc>
cool
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<Gadi_eeepc>
jammcq: ping
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<rjune_>
!g
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<ltspbot>
rjune_: "g" is Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<rjune_>
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<nubae>
johnny: still there?
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<sbalneav>
Evening all
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http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=8733
18:47
YEEEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
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loather: At one time, aptitude was supposed to have better depenency resolution than apd-get
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but everyone was used to apt-get, so in the end, IIRC, they simply moved the better tree spanning algorithms from aptitude back to apt-get
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So, other than the fact that aptitude combines both apt-cache, apt-get, and has a text based menu front end to apt, there's not much difference.
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<johnny>
nubae, hi
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<sbalneav>
quiet here tonight
20:31* warren cooking
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<davidj>
evening
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sbalneav: Scotty, can I pull down a fresh copy of the docs trunk yet?
20:33
The point of this was to make it easier on you, not harder ;-)
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<petre>
warren, ping
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<johnny>
nubae, back..
20:58
<warren>
petre: pong
20:58
<johnny>
warren, hello..
20:58
warren, the fedora adventure is working out well
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<warren>
johnny: did you hit the part where we abandon the community yet?
20:59
<johnny>
huh?
20:59
<petre>
warren, http://petre.homedns.org/k12linux/k12linux-quick-start-guide-0.0.3-1.fc9.src.rpm
20:59
<warren>
hmm, that is so distant in the past it doesn't work as a joke anymore.
20:59
<johnny>
i don't really need alot of help.. just newer software than ubuntu :)
21:00
<petre>
ah, The Great Red Hat Schism
21:00
<johnny>
warren, ?
21:00
<petre>
yeah, it's pretty old any more
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<johnny>
all i want.. is a distro with newer software than ubuntu
21:01
or gentoo for that matter
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<petre>
warren, notice the package name is changed; is that okay? I rather change it sooner rather than later
21:02
<johnny>
my much more powerful dualcore machine still runs gentoo of course.. as does my server
21:02
<petre>
This version, 0.0.3, addresses both LiveUBS and running from hard drive
21:02
<warren>
petre: I'll look it over, please update the bugzilla ticket
21:02
<petre>
includes running rpm -e to remove the package so it doesn't appear on users' desktops if desired
21:03
<johnny>
altho i wish i could assisinate rpm..
21:04
<warren>
johnny: are you trying to use rpm directly?
21:04
<johnny>
no
21:05
yum should let me look at package contents
21:05
still tryin to get the nvidia drivers working.. waiting for 173 drivers to appear in rpmfusion..
21:06
i'm glad rpmfusion exists now..
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<warren>
johnny: livna existed for years before rpmfusion
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<johnny>
yes i know
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but rpmfusion is more than livna.. :)
21:11
they only have th 177 drivers..
21:11
<petre>
what happened to rpmforge?
21:11
<jammcq>
scotty !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<johnny>
warren, .. of course.. i will never buy an nvidia card again.. but i got this laptop in 2004.. when this was the only reliable choice for 3d
21:11
ati and intel ftw.
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<petre>
I thought that was supposed to be a merger of repos as well
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