IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 27 May 2013   (all times are UTC)

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09:23
<Joanet>
Hi all. How can I remove the screensaver timeout from LTSP thin clients?
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10:55
<epoptes_user9>
Hi. I've installed ubuntu + LTSP and after launching 12 thin clients using 100 mbps network, when I do a broadcast some thin clients starts to fail, they get disconnected and I have to reboot the thin clients. Maybe the network performance is too slow??
10:56
I do a broadcast using epoptes,s orry
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13:08
<lifeboy>
Hi everyone
13:09
I still have this strange ssh problem. Although my keys are copied with ltsp-update-sshkeys, sshd and/or ssh seem to think they don't match. I have explained it all in a email to a local forum and put a copy here: http://pastebin.com/qv5WfsG4
13:10
In there I explain the problem more fully. What would you suggest I do to proceed with this? File a bug report with Ubuntu? or LTSP? Some pointers would be great.
13:12
<alkisg>
No bug report needed, you're using a 12.04 server with a 10.04 chroot, there's bound to be incompatibilities...
13:13
I guess the problem is that 12.04 uses the server name for the keys, while 10.04 the IP
13:13
So one way is to manually edit the keys and add the server IP there
13:13
Another way would be to specify this in lts.conf: LDM_SERVER=server
13:14
<lifeboy>
Would that prevent me from logging into the client from the server using ssh manually?
13:15
<alkisg>
No, that's another issue
13:15
<lifeboy>
I assumed incorrectly the two are related?
13:15
<alkisg>
Yup, incorrectly
13:16
<lifeboy>
The "debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent" also seems to be a key problem, ... but let's leave that for now then.
13:16
<alkisg>
For the `ssh in the chroot` issue, e.g. ltsp excludes the ssh keys from the chroot because of security issues
13:16
If all clients have the same ssh keys, then the communication is no longer secure
13:17
So you'd have to regenerate them on client boot
13:18
<lifeboy>
You mean I have to generate a ssh key when the client boots?
13:18
Sorry, that's what you said
13:18
<alkisg>
Yup, or edit /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-kernels.conf if you don't care about security
13:18
$ grep ssh /etc/ltsp/ltsp-update-image.excludes
13:18
etc/ssh/ssh_host_*_key
13:19
<lifeboy>
This is a small closed network, so security is not an issue
13:19
<alkisg>
You trust your users that much? Anyone can install a keylogger then... :D
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13:19
<alkisg>
Btw feel free to write anything you find useful in the ltsp.org wiki...
13:21
<lifeboy>
They are 5 people in a remote office that know what the other one thinks... :-) But lets first get the LDM login problem sorted.
13:21
Ok, I will do that. I've made lots of notes ...
13:21
<alkisg>
Start with LDM_SERVER=server in lts.conf
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13:43
<sbalneav>
Morning all
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13:48
<stgraber>
morning sbalneav
13:48
<sbalneav>
stgraber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:48
<stgraber>
!s
13:48
<ltsp>
s: Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:49
<sbalneav>
So, I haven't forgotton the ltsp-pam stuff everyone, but MATE released with some bugs, so the last month or two, we've been bug squashing on MATE.
13:49
I figure by mid-june, I'm going to get the localdevs stuff going.
13:49
Then, hopefully, come october, we can do the first full cut of LTSP6 at the hackfest.
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13:52
<stgraber>
sounds like a plan. I've been (well, still am) pretty busy with a whole bunch of non-LTSP thing so quite looking forward to the hackfest to actually work on some of that stuff again ;)
13:57
<sbalneav>
Cool!
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14:13
<ogra_>
stgraber, we can make ubuntu-touch work with ltsp6 :)
14:14
thats what the world needs, netbooted ltsp phones :)
14:14
<stgraber>
;)
14:14
<ogra_>
(that turn into a dishwasher with the right dock attached, yay convergence)
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14:18
<stgraber>
I'm sure some carrier would be very happy to have some phones without any local storage that just PXE boot over 3G ;)
14:19
<ogra_>
yeah
14:19
thats the future
14:20
fully cloud based phones
14:20
:)
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14:22
<gbaman>
phone gets slow and user reboots phone, "error no signal, can't boot phone, please try again later" and all the user wanted to do was play angry birds...
14:22
I don't see PXE booting phones any time soon
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<ogra_>
gbaman, we were joking :)
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14:45
<markit>
hi, I need to add a route to the fat clients, where is the right place to set it?
14:46
I mean, fat clients need to have an additional route to a network I need to reach
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14:59
<Hyperbyte>
markit, RCFILE_01=ip route add ... ?
15:00
<markit>
mmm never tried
15:00
hope it works :)
15:00
(I'm at work now, can't test)
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16:48
<vagrantc>
ok, cubieboard running ltsp... at least as a proof of concept
16:48
<ogra_>
performant ?
16:49* vagrantc is never a good judge of that
16:49
<ogra_>
well, can you scroll websites in a browser fast ... or is it stuttering
16:51
<vagrantc>
heh, have to install a browser, looks like :)
16:52
<ogra_>
heh
16:53
xfbdev can be very sluggish with certain things (and i assume you dont use any binary driver for X)
16:54
<vagrantc>
stutters a bit
16:54
yeah, i didn't install any of the firmware
16:55
<ogra_>
well, firmware is one thing, finding a working xserver for it is the other
16:55
<vagrantc>
it's just using fbdev
16:56
<ogra_>
yeah
16:56
<vagrantc>
24-bit color, ... 1920x1080@24-bit
16:56* ogra_ guessed so
16:57* vagrantc tries it as a fat client
16:57
<vagrantc>
that's a thin client with ssh and all that
16:57
what i've tested so far
16:57
straight debian wheezy ltsp + the kernel that comes with berryboot
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17:00
<vagrantc>
unsurprisingly faster than the raspberry pi
17:00
<ogra_>
heh, yeah
17:00
thats not hard to achieve
17:00
<vagrantc>
it was a little psychedelic at 16-bit color
17:01
<ogra_>
so you need to ship the right drugs with it :)
17:01
for compensation
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17:03
<vagrantc>
the kernel that came with berryboot thankfully had all the features i needed
17:03
but a 3.4 kernel... who uses that?
17:04
<ogra_>
we use 3.0 kernels in ubuntu touch on some devices :)
17:05
<vagrantc>
android uses 3.0, i think, so at least there's somewhat of a shared kernel base
17:05
several distros ship with 3.2
17:05
<ogra_>
yeah
17:06
<vagrantc>
but 3.4 for the cubieboard, 3.6 for the rpi... it's like playing darts
17:06
<ogra_>
haha, yeah, welcome to my world :)
17:07* ogra_ is happy if his kernels dont start with a 2.x usually
17:08
<vagrantc>
only a slight bit of stutter as a fatclient
17:09
<ogra_>
nice
17:09
<vagrantc>
in theory, it should even be able to tftp boot from u-boot... right now just booting off the microSD
17:10
found some instructions for tftp booting
17:12
<ogra_>
if it uses a recent u-boot built from upstream it should even fully support PXE
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<vagrantc>
oh, nice!
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alkisg: LDM_SERVER=server in lts.conf did the trick. I do get asked to confirm the key each time after restarting the client. How would I fix that?
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