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Channel log from 10 April 2009   (all times are UTC)

00:00
<k-man>
i have this notebook that has a dodgey hdd, i thought I could make an ltsp thin client out o it
00:00
<alkisg>
And it doesn't have an ethernet card?
00:00
<k-man>
yeah, it does
00:00
but you know - wireless would be damn cool ;)
00:01
<alkisg>
Nah - too much needed bandwidth for wireless :) It would support 1, or at most 2 clients, and they'd go slow...
00:01
<k-man>
alkisg: oh, i see
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<slashdotfx>
i've just upgraded my ltsp to ubuntu 9.04
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and now the client can't boot
02:06
I'm using the old configuration from the previous install
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<Ryan52>
"can't boot" is a broad phrase..
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03:03
<slashdotfx>
it was pxe problem
03:04
the troublesome machines is using SIS900 builtin card
03:04
other machine with different chipset boot ok
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04:24
<slashdotfx>
solved
04:24
the newest pxelinux.0 (3.7) is problematic for SIS900
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I reverted it back from 3.5, and now the client booted ok
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08:37
<ltsp>
Hello. We have an LTSP5 running under Ubuntu and have several clients up (using one now). However, we're having trouble with an older machine that we're desperate to get working. It boots and connects fine, but X / ldm fails. I think it is a keyboard problem. I've set lts.conf specifically for that mac address so it goes to a shell. I can then start X (using "X" not "startx" or "xinit") and, for example, run xeyes, but if I try any application that needs k
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09:39
<ltsp>
I forgot to mention that I installed a hard drive on the client and installed debian directly on it--it works, X runs, no problems. So I know X works on the hardware configuration. I even tried using the xorg.conf made under the direct installation, but no go there, either.
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11:06
<bchapman>
hello
11:06
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: thanks for commenting on the xrdp bug
11:06
<cyberorg>
hiya vagrantc, so could our startwm.sh difference be the reason it works here?
11:07
<bchapman>
Has anyone gotten a Wyse S50 to work with LTSP 5 on Ubuntu?
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<vagrantc>
cyberorg: doesn't look like it to me
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cyberorg: xrdp doesn't pass any arguments to startwm.sh, so there's nothing that could be dynamically determined.
11:32
cyberorg: it looks like your version just pulls the default and passes it on to Xsession
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cyberorg: whereas, on debian, Xsession handles the default itself.
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cyberorg: what we need is something that can pass the default on from rdesktop to xrdp
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cyberorg: and then to startwm.sh
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<cyberorg>
vagrantc, may be your xrdp maintainer can post on xrdp list "demanding" that suse upstream their patches as quick as possible
11:33
<vagrantc>
heh
11:34
<cyberorg>
it is david reveman, of compiz fame that is nomad dev, he does not like to communicate or work with community :(
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12:36
<thebbxx2000>
anyone know how to change the background image for all users on ltsp?
12:36
debian
12:36
<Ryan52>
the background image once they log in?
12:36
<thebbxx2000>
yeah
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desktop bg
12:37
<Ryan52>
ltsp just logs you in to the server.
12:37
<Lumiere>
right click -> change desktop background for gnome
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<Ryan52>
so it's the same as if those users were sitting at the server.
12:37
<thebbxx2000>
ok, but how do i make it the default background for all users
12:37
<Ryan52>
so it's not ltsp sepcific, so ask in #distro.
12:37
there are more people there anyway.
12:37
<thebbxx2000>
ok thanks
12:37
<Ryan52>
oh, #debian.
12:37
<thebbxx2000>
btw, i got my logo on the login screen thanks to you
12:38
<Ryan52>
good, yw.
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12:39
<jammcq>
hello all
12:39
<Lumiere>
hi jammcq
12:39* vagrantc waves
12:39* Lumiere ish lurking :)
12:40
<jammcq>
hey Lumiere how's it going?
12:40
<Lumiere>
not too bad
12:40
my school is on spring break... so I am getting full days at offices
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and actually being productive
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(normally I work 4 hours a day 5 days a week at one job then cycle between others
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<thebbxx2000>
i had ltsp installed from an alternate disc of ubuntu, and the sound worked out of the box
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now i installed debian and installed ltsp from a package, and the sound doesn't work on my thin clients anymore
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<vagrantc>
read /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server/README.Debian.sound
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<thebbxx2000>
k
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<thebbxx2000>
where it says to edit /etc/asound.conf I am assuming that is not in the opt/ltsp folder, but the base of the system?
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also the file didn't exist already so i created it
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sound right?
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<vagrantc>
correct.
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<thebbxx2000>
thanks
13:15
do i have to restart anything in order for it to recognize that file?
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<vagrantc>
ubuntu definitely has nicer sound integration, as everything supports alsa by default, and they have patches to get alsa -> pulseaudio support automagically.
13:15
thebbxx2000: just log out and log back in should do it.
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<thebbxx2000>
k i will try
13:19
cool thanks... works now but the volume control doesn't work.. says it can't find devices
13:19
not a big deal
13:21
<vagrantc>
volume control where?
13:22
really need to invest some time to get the remaining polish on debian's ltsp...
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<thebbxx2000>
in the tray
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there is a little speaker icon
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put your cursor over it and it says "volume control"
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click on it and it says it can't find any devices
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<vagrantc>
thebbxx2000: KDE, GNOME, FOOBARDESKTOP?
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13:31* vagrantc has no little speaker icon, running tritium.
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<thebbxx2000>
whatever came with debian
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GNOME i think
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?
13:48
<Lns>
vagrantc: haha..go figure, a debian guy with a minimalist wm ;)
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<vagrantc>
Lns: yeah, imagine that.
13:49* Lns likes the old saying "X Windows was made so you could have multiple terminals open"
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<vagrantc>
that's about 90% of what i use it for
13:50
<alkisg>
I heard a new one, "Ubuntu is an ancient african word meaning 'can't install Debian'" :P
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13:51* Lns laughs out loud
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<Lns>
i dunno, i've always thought debian was very straight forward with installing
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<alkisg>
Yeah, now it even has a live cd
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<Lns>
i never had problems or got stuck, maybe it's the ncurses interface that scares people..of course, even windows xp (vista?) has a text-based first part installer
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<alkisg>
and Ubuntu, with the alternate cd (=d-i...)
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<vagrantc>
the current debian release has a GUI installer that's selectable at boot time, the next release is likely to default to a GUI installer.
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<thebbxx2000>
actually i switched to debian simply because the alternate ubuntu kept crashing during setup
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for ltsp setup
13:54* alkisg tried to install ltsp in debian but failed at first try... will give it a second shot some time later
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<alkisg>
(I also had KDE 4.2 so I was at a complete loss)
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<Lns>
vagrantc: the gui installer won't/isn't available for all archs obviously, right? just i386/amd64/.. ?
13:57
I sure hope debian never ditches the textmode installer ever
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<vagrantc>
Lns: i don't know which arches are supported, but i think it's more than just i386/amd64
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<Lns>
Can anyone vouch for the idle bandwidth cost of having clients boot directly to a windows TS session via rdesktop screen script? Is there any? It sits at the CTRL+ALT+DELETE logon prompt.
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<richard_parker_v>
Any ideas on an ltsp client X config problem? ends up in a loop if I let start normally. if I set lts.conf to get a shell, I can start X (using 'X' not 'startx' or 'xinit') and run xeyes. If I execute anything which uses keyboard input, it crashes with "Saw signal 4." I think it is a keyboard problem and have tried iterations of xorg.conf and messing with hal-device, but no progress. I forgot to mention that I installed a hard drive on the cl
15:06
<Lns>
!dist
15:06
<ltspbot>
Lns: Error: "dist" is not a valid command.
15:06
<Lns>
blah..i never remember that one
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richard_parker_v: what distribution/version?
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<vagrantc>
!release
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<ltspbot>
vagrantc: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<Lns>
ah ty
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<alkisg>
!dist
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "release" is please mention the linux distro and release you're using :)
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<alkisg>
Lns, ^^^ :)
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<Lns>
alkisg: =p
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<vagrantc>
huh?
15:40* Lns wonders if alkisg PM'd ltspbot =p
15:47
<alkisg>
Yup :)
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I thought that, being a teacher, I could teach the bot some things :P
15:52
Now if only I could teach it to bring beers...
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<Lns>
Maybe if you put linux on one of those robot vacuum cleaner things...
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<dmarkey>
stgraber: your loopback ltspfs stuff seems to be more mature in sqeeze
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: stgraber works on ubuntu
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what loopback stuff?
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<dmarkey>
when using rdesktop
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devices get mounted in /media/root
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vagrantc: you work on debian?
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: yeah
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<dmarkey>
good work!
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<vagrantc>
i do what i can :)
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<dmarkey>
one problem that i can see
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when a person has a usb key in, mounted in /media/root/USB(for example), when they yank it out that folder isnt cleaned up
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<vagrantc>
yes, the local mounting stuff doesn't work very well.
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it's improved significantly, but it's still got issues.
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<dmarkey>
well it works well, except for that
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<vagrantc>
well, that causes a lot of problems.
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when you plug the next stick in, or the same stick again, you end up with additional mounts
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multiple concurrent mounts, some of which don't even work
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it also makes CD-ROMs fail to work
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<dmarkey>
i'm thinking of while [ : ] ; rmdir /media/root/* ; sleep 30 ; done
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vagrantc: multiple usb sticks works well
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: after plugging and unplugging them?
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dmarkey: with local mounts?
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<dmarkey>
yes
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<vagrantc>
i haven't had the same luck.
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<dmarkey>
i even tested a usb floppy drive
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<dmarkey>
vagrantc: what exactly can you not get to work properly
18:45
unplugging and replugging a usb stick?
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<vagrantc>
the local mounts hang, never unmount, and then there are multiple mounts in /tmp for each additional mount for the same location
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<dmarkey>
hmm.. why dont they mount in /media/root?
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<vagrantc>
remote mounting works great, as long as you don't install ltspfs in the chroot.
18:47
dmarkey: because the previous mount never unmounts, is my guess.
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<dmarkey>
but the next drive will be sdb, not sda
18:47
but i suppose it would be sda eventually
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<vagrantc>
if you pull sda, then the next drive will also be sda.
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<dmarkey>
so this is when the problem starts?
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<vagrantc>
the devices get created/removed just fine, it's the ltspfs-specific udev rules that aren't working properly.
18:49
anyways, gotta run soon.
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<dmarkey>
hm.. well this is going into production soon, id like to that that problem fixed
18:50
i'll investigate the problem
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<vagrantc>
dmarkey: you using ltspfs 0.5.9 or 0.5.11 ?
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<dmarkey>
see if i can reporduce
18:51* vagrantc would strongly discourage using local mounts on debian currently
18:51
<vagrantc>
at least, relying on them
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<dmarkey>
vagrantc: what ever the default is on 5
18:51
<vagrantc>
behaved very erratic in my tests
18:51
dmarkey: 5?
18:51
<dmarkey>
debian 5
18:51
sorry
18:51
<vagrantc>
that doesn't have support for local mounting at all
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<dmarkey>
the chrrot in sqeeze
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chroot*
18:52
<vagrantc>
ah. so whatever is in squeeze, then
18:52
<dmarkey>
yup
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<vagrantc>
which is 0.5.9-1 for a while longer. 0.5.11-1 will hit it soon.
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<dmarkey>
cool, what will that mean for me
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<vagrantc>
some rewriting of the code, similar buggy behavior.
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<dmarkey>
what about testing http://usbmount.alioth.debian.org/
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<vagrantc>
test all you want
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<dmarkey>
do you see any problems with it
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<vagrantc>
i seem to recall the unmounting on usbmount to be cumbersome
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but i haven't used it for 4 years or so
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<dmarkey>
well, there will be no unmounting, you cant unmount within an rdesktop session
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<vagrantc>
yes, but you can unplug a usb stick
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and if it's still mounted, that can cause issues.
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<dmarkey>
so, udev unmounting then?
18:57
<vagrantc>
you'll get unclean mounts that way
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things that need fsck and such
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<dmarkey>
is it possible to do a lazy unmount with ltspfs, i.e. umount -fl
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<vagrantc>
ltspfs automatically unmounts the actual media after 2 seconds of inactivity
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<dmarkey>
oh really
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<vagrantc>
but the fuse mount still sits there, waiting to remount as needed
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<dmarkey>
if i dont access the drive, the folder in /media/root actully gets deleted, but if i do access the drive it doesnt
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<vagrantc>
it's a mess...
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anyways, gotta run
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<jammcq>
hey friends
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<slashdotfx>
I'm running ltsp on jaunty
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as soon as I add openssh, x11vnc, xterminator on chroot
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the client stop booting sucessfully
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it said something about failing nbd
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it's discussed here, http://www.mail-archive.com/ltsp-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36173.html
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<slashdotfx>
ok, partially solved
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if the chroot is getting fat, nbd fails
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next problem is autologin
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jaunty is ignoring LDM_AUTOLOGIN on lts.conf
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<stgraber>
no it doesn't. I'm using it at the office :)
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<slashdotfx>
stgraber: would you mind for me to take a look? please
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I mean at your lts.conf
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which one to choose? LDM_AUTOLOGIN or LDM_GUESTLOGIN?
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https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/AutoLoginFeatures
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<stgraber>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN with LDM_USERNAME and LDM_PASSWORD set
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also have some with LDM_GUESTLOGIN working just as fine
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<slashdotfx>
where did you put LDM_AUTOLOGIN, under [default] right?
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<stgraber>
yeah
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http://pastebin.com/f23105b3e
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(yeah, I have fairly complex lts.conf at the office :))
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<slashdotfx>
ic, each machine is using the same username account simultaneously?
22:29
could you take a look at mine, it is fairly simple http://pastebin.com/m6c1371d2
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<Ryan52>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Ryan52: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<stgraber>
slashdotfx: nope, I'm working with ltsp-cluster so I have a different lts.conf for each computer but generated from a central tool. though everything else is regular ltsp so lts.conf parsing works exactly the same
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