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Channel log from 30 October 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<markit>
hi, anyone on (k)ubuntu 10.10? does ltsp work fine or not?
04:53
what about the ndb-proxy problem (and patch) was needed in 10-04? has the problem been fixed?
04:53
any regression?
04:54
:))
05:10
anyone knows how diable nbd-proxy with ubuntu 10.01? is a new feature of ltsp 5.2.4, but don't know how to set it
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<AndyGraybeal>
ndb-proxy problem.. i need to read about that
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<mssmss>
Hi there !
06:53
Can anyone help with a failed ltsp-build-client ?
06:53
upgraded Edubuntu 8.04lts to 10.04 lts and clients would not connect anymore ...
06:53
ltsp build clients gives : I: Base system installed successfully. and then error: LTSP client installation ended abnormally
06:54
Any clues on how to fix this ?
06:54
I have a strace of the script, but it does not make sense to me ...
07:00
<Appiah>
http://www.khattam.info/solved-ltsp-error-ltsp-client-installation-ended-abnormally-2010-01-30.html tried this?
07:01
and what are you typing? ltsp-build-client and nothing more?
07:03
<mssmss>
sudo ltsp-build-client --arch i386
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<Appiah>
did the suggestions in above link do any differense?
07:08
<mssmss>
tried that ... it did not work .... only then did an strace ...... it is at : http://pastebin.ca/1973680
07:25
<AndyGraybeal>
not that i know anything, my boxes wouldn't boot until i purged that fancy 3d desktop application
07:25
compex?
07:25
heh. not compex.. something i can't remember
07:26
<mssmss>
Compiz :-)
07:27
It's normally disabled on my systems
07:27
<AndyGraybeal>
k
07:28
yea :)
07:28
it causes much evil.
07:28
alkisg and the others will know what to do.
07:29
once they wake up.
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<mssmss>
thanks anyway .. maybe I'll try back again later ...
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<AndyGraybeal>
markit: what was this with the nbd-proxy problem?
07:44
markit: i use 10.04 and haven't seen any issue.. is there something i should be paying more attention too?
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<markit>
AndyGraybeal: definetly, let me find the issue #
08:44
AndyGraybeal: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/589034
08:44
maybe you are lucky and your clients boot without troubles, mine had a very low rate
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until I pactched and disabled nbd-proxy
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<AndyGraybeal>
thank you
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<AndyGraybeal>
markit interesting.. i wonder if i will run into problems in the future for some reason .. i wonder why i'm lucky.. .i hope for some reason in the future, i'm not unlucky because of this.
09:00
do you think i should pro-actively run the patch? or if it works don't fix it... mindset?
09:00
i'm afraid to touch it :)
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<markit>
AndyGraybeal: maybe you have a 100mbs switch?
09:11
AndyGraybeal: or your ltsp server has 100mbs nic?
09:11
btw, upgrading kubuntu from 10.04 to 10.10 ha failed :((
09:11
<AndyGraybeal>
hm everything is gb
09:12
does it effect gb?
09:12
sucks your upgrade failed :(
09:13
i'm paying attention to nagios right now.. tryin to get distributed checks happening w/ nsca
09:13
<markit>
as far as I've understood, the gb stuff is more likely to trigger the problem
09:13
nsca? what is it?
09:13
<AndyGraybeal>
markit: okay thank you
09:13
nsca, it's a nagios companion (not ncsa)
09:15
<Trixboxer>
hi.. ltsp running good now but im facing issues for more than 5 clients.. is it possible to have /home folder on NFS so to have a roaming profile user ?
09:15
is there any project such as ltsp or similar to it ?
09:44
<stgraber>
highvoltage: In case you didnd't get my SMS and didn't see my message on jabber, I'll be landing at 1pm instead of 3pm. Got an early flight out of Orlando.
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<Hyperbyte>
Trixboxer, what do you mean with 'facing issues for more than 5 clients'?
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<Trixboxer>
Hyperbyte: the server is getting loaded and clients are getting slowed down
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<cliebow>
stgraber:ill pass it on..
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12:21* stgraber just arrived in Bangor, ME
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<Hyperbyte>
Trixboxer: what kind of server is it?
12:37
(specs)
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<cliebow>
stgraber:you have transport?
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<stgraber>
yeah, mgariepy and highvoltage should arrive soon
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<Trixboxer>
Hyperbyte: its having 4gb ram and xeon board 3ghz..
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<alkisg>
Trixboxer: if you're having a big CPU load, did you try setting LDM_DIRECTX=True?
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<Trixboxer>
nope, will check that out
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<alkisg>
!directx
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "directx" :: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
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<Trixboxer>
!docs
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<ltspbot>
Trixboxer: "docs" :: For the most current documentation, see https://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/ltsp/index.php?title=Ltsp_LtspDocumentationUpstream
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<alkisg>
You can also check the manpage:
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!lts.conf
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<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
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<Trixboxer>
alkisg: LTSP running fine, but I'm trying to export /home dir over NFS and keeping the local os in client, I'm trying to implement a roaming ubuntu profile for 20 people
15:21
few people here are not agree on putting whole OS on network :(
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<cliebow>
x
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<sbalneav>
Is there anybody..... out there?
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Hello--Hello--Hello--- is there anybody IN there?
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Just nod if you can hear me
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Is there anyone at home?
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Relax--Relax--Relax-- Ill need some information first
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Just the basic facts
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Can you tell me where it hurts?
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<mfdutra>
someone is comfortably numb
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<Appiah>
:D
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<alkisg>
[Trixboxer] alkisg: LTSP running fine, but I'm trying to export /home dir over NFS and keeping the local os in client ==> you mean fat clients?
17:02
Or standalone clients?
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<Trixboxer>
alkisg: does fat client have their own HDD and OS ?
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<johnny>
no
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they get it all over the network
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<Trixboxer>
johnny: see, we have 20 desktop machines on which 30 people want to work, there timings are different but time overlaps and many a time same person cant get same PC, LTSP is running good for now but its getting loaded and apps are getting slowed, so I thought if I could put /home on NFS then things would be more efficient...
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<johnny>
it would, but only if you use fat clients
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<Trixboxer>
do fat client use their own brain and ram ?
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<johnny>
yes
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<Trixboxer>
that's good :)
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but with my current ubuntu 10.04 setup, how do I force my clients to become fat ? :)
17:25
<johnny>
build a new fat client chroot
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and then replace your other one, with a backup obviously
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there's documentation somewhere
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<Trixboxer>
how ?
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<johnny>
alkisg knows the most about it
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<Trixboxer>
oh
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<johnny>
it's an option to ltsp-build-client
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<Trixboxer>
what a luck, I got u but he left me ( #ltsp )
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:)
17:26
checking it
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<Trixboxer>
johnny: Shall I follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients ?
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<Trixboxer>
johnny: Shall I follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients ?
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it says that my ltsp-build-client has a --fat option but its not there in current one ltsp-server 5.2.1-0ubuntu9
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<johnny>
i'm not sure
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<alkisg>
Trixboxer: yes, that page is what you should follow for fat clients on ubuntu 10.04
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<Trixboxer>
great u back :)
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<alkisg>
Try with the ltsp-build-client.conf method, I think it's better than the command line method
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<Trixboxer>
did u read my big message ?
18:18
alkisg: ok, currently an environment is being built with commandline
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<alkisg>
With the 30 people on 20 clients? Sure, I have 200 students on 10 clients :D
18:19
Ah, continue with that then, no point in changing it now...
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<Trixboxer>
yeah but 20 will be online at any time
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and single server is not enough
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<alkisg>
You can customize it later if you want, e.g. install nfs etc
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<Trixboxer>
nah
18:19
nbd works great on 10.04
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<alkisg>
Why not?
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<Trixboxer>
10.10 was giving me problems with nbd
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<alkisg>
NFS for /home, not for root
18:20
Leave root with nbd as is, no point in switching that to nfs
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<Trixboxer>
yup
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<alkisg>
In fat clients the server CPU isn't strained, only the network, but if you have gigabit it should be more than enough for 20 clients
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<Trixboxer>
yeah I have it
18:21
gigabit switch and NIC
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<alkisg>
And the clients too?
18:21
<Trixboxer>
yeah NIC
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<alkisg>
Nice
18:21
And client RAM/CPU?
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<Trixboxer>
2Gb intel DC
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2.8 ghz
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<alkisg>
Perfect, all should work fine with that specs
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<Trixboxer>
I hope so
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<alkisg>
Graphics cards?
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<Trixboxer>
not really, its onboard
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<alkisg>
Intel?
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<Trixboxer>
yup
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and everyone has 160 Gb disk
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<alkisg>
Nice lab, I wish I had one too :D
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<Trixboxer>
but I dont think that we will use a bit of it
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<alkisg>
You can make a swap partition if you want, and even use the local disk for data, but I think that you'll see that none of those is really needed
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<Trixboxer>
actually buying more PC's is waste of resources hence implementing LTSP
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hmm
18:25
can I use local disk for any other reason than swap ?
18:25
for same machine..
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<alkisg>
Sure, you can see the disk and use it as you wish
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You could even make a little script to use it for /home, but in that case the users wouldn't be able to easily switch PCs
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<Trixboxer>
hmm correct
18:30
alkisg: I have a n810 too, but not finding it very useful
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:(
18:31
I hope even that could have booted over NW and I would have enjoyed real roaming profile :)
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<alkisg>
If you can put an nx client into it, you could have a roamingprofile...
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<Trixboxer>
nx client for maemo OS ?
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<alkisg>
I don't know if that's possible, I've never had such an appliance
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<Trixboxer>
hmm I think thats for maemo5.. my device is quite old
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<Trixboxer>
are u a dev in ltsp or ubuntu dev ?
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<alkisg>
Yup
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<Trixboxer>
ltsp dev ?
18:37
<alkisg>
(junior :)) ltsp + edubuntu dev
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<Trixboxer>
great.. :)
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<AndyGraybeal>
does this page also work in ubuntu 10.04 --> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/InstallNTPServer
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it says it's good for 8.04, which is a little old, and i'm afgraid to follow it.
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: I haven't tried it, but it's should apply, without even needing the script it mentions
18:40
I.e. just install an ntp server + the TIMESERVER directive in lts.conf without modifying your chroot
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<AndyGraybeal>
okay, do i still need to rebuild the client?
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awseom
18:41
!
18:41
<alkisg>
Not rebuild, not update
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<AndyGraybeal>
thanks
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: you can also use an external ntp server like the ubuntu one
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(if your clients can access the internet)
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice thank yoiu, that was going to be my next question (i have a time server internasl on my network, but it happens to not be the ltsp server)
18:42
excellent thank you.
18:43
how often will it poll the time server?
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is there a setting for that?
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<alkisg>
TIMESERVER=ip
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TIMEZONE=zone
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(e.g. ntp.ubuntu.com and Europe/Athens for me)
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(so just put the ip of your own ntp server there)
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<AndyGraybeal>
ok, thank you
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<Trixboxer>
AndyGraybeal: You can use a script and cron to update time as u wish
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<AndyGraybeal>
thank you Trixboxer. i'l see how those two simple configuration lines work out first.
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<alkisg>
AndyGraybeal: if it works and you have some time, it'd be nice if you updated the wiki page with the required steps for 10.04 (instead of the old 8.04)
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<AndyGraybeal>
will do alkisg
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<alkisg>
ty
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<Trixboxer>
alkisg: Image built, booting the client now X
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"nbd_server[2832]: Read failed: Connection reset by peer"
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<alkisg>
On the client?
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<Trixboxer>
yeah, DHCP sending wrong file
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repairing DHCP
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<AndyGraybeal>
pls don't laugh at me, but is it possible to have SCREEN_10, SCREEN_11, SCREEN_12, be x consoles (=ldm) or is that just ignorant? i know i can have 07, 08 and 09 be x consoles.
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<alkisg>
I think you can, the quickest way is to try it :)
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<AndyGraybeal>
thank you alkisg.
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<pmatulis>
AndyGraybeal: why not just...
18:50
try it
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<AndyGraybeal>
pmatulis: i'm at home, the stuff is at woek :) but yes, your all very right, i'm extremely timid sabout all of tihs.
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<beakburke>
usually on a nonLTSP desktop there are consoles on 1-6 and a X server on 7
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<alkisg>
beakburke: on ubuntu/ltsp /etc/init/tty[1-6].conf are deleted...
18:52
<beakburke>
yep
18:52
I mean on regular workstation
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<alkisg>
So SCREEN_02 to SCREEN_12 are available for whatever the sysadmin specifies in lts.conf
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<beakburke>
the SCREEN_XX setting in lts.conf will let you put them on whatever screen you want
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<AndyGraybeal>
interesting. thank you very much.
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<Trixboxer>
Yo, client now booted with fat-i386
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yeah its now using the local resource instead of eating the server :)
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<AndyGraybeal>
is there a way i can ssh to the client boxes for any reason?
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i don't know why i would want to do that necessarily.
20:11
the thouht just occured to me.. maybe to look at some log file or something
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though i did notice the log file server option in lts.conf
20:12
maybe just even to ping somethin directly from the client to make sure of something.
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<beakburke>
I think you can
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as long as sshd is installed and running in the client chroot
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice thank you, i would need to rebuild if i installed it, correect?
20:25
i can just do like apt-get install openssh-server in the chroot?
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<AndyGraybeal>
this crap is ultimately really easy to setup and configure. it is amazing.
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<cliebow_>
which crap?
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<AndyGraybeal>
i can't believe how stable and smooth everything is working at my workplace :)
20:28
ltsp... i shouldn't have used to word crap... but that's what i think of technology in genereal... so i apologize
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<cliebow_>
ok. i am sitting with the minds that made this a sw e speak
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<AndyGraybeal>
this a sw e speak ?
20:29
oh as we..
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<cliebow_>
as we speak..too many spacebasrs
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<AndyGraybeal>
it just amazing me that's all.
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<cliebow_>
not enough typing
20:31
i felt that way the first time i signed on to ltsp in 2001.and got to speak with jammcq..on a Sunday morning
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<AndyGraybeal>
i'm still in awe... i'm nearing the better part of a year i think with running this in my workplace.. and everyone is very accustom to it now... and i get no complaints, and any issues i may have it's my own fault of ignorance.. and the solutions are always very easy and easy to understand.
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<cliebow_>
and you have access to these guys that dreamed it up in the first place..
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<AndyGraybeal>
i'm still scared crapless to edit or change anything though.. but that's my own issue.
20:32
cliebow_: yea, it's amazing :)
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<cliebow_>
so jamcq is two chairs down..sbalneave next to him..Gadi..and the next generation..stgrraber..
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highvoltage..
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<AndyGraybeal>
someone else actualy sent information about open source organizations to an email list at our company! i was very proud! :)
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<cliebow_>
mfdutra..alberto..
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Cool!
20:35
just lucky o live where these guys want to visit
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to
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice, where is this?
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<cliebow_>
ltsp by the sea
20:35
the end of the world in Maine
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<AndyGraybeal>
aaah maine, wonderful; i love maine.
20:36
one day, maybe i will live there. i worked on a house for a very short period of time there. i had a great time.
20:36
<cliebow_>
so this is the dev conference we hold every year
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice
20:37
<cliebow_>
i work at ellswrth school system
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<AndyGraybeal>
do you use SSO (kerb and all that?) or do you us MS AD ?
20:38
<cliebow_>
i sue openldap myself
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice
20:39
i still need to get my bearings with that.
20:39
<cliebow_>
we migrated from ad about six years ago..ihavnt gotten a god handle on the new ldif config openldap myself really..the old ldap works so well
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice, that's kind of how i expect i'll manage also.
20:40
<cliebow_>
you in a school?
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<AndyGraybeal>
no, i co-own a restaurant that has decided to adopt technology. we emply about 100 people... and we are slowly moving away from the early 90's.
20:41
*employ
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<cliebow_>
never missed the o..
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<AndyGraybeal>
I've been with the ship for almot 6 years now.. it's a great experience.. i get to learn a lot of the systems and operations of how to run a business.
20:42
the o... ?
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<cliebow_>
i have to look at a restaurant software rig at the place we all just had dinner..Ill look you up if you like after that..
20:43
heh the o in employ..never missed it
20:43
we emply about 100 p
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<AndyGraybeal>
lol i got.. sorry.
20:44
<cliebow_>
no prob..seems like a great niche for open source software..the restaurant biz..
20:44
<AndyGraybeal>
yea, i got a lot on my plate, but it's a fun way to just dive in and start learning to swim.
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<cliebow_>
i really am doing the same..diving in.. i am no guru..just steady
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<AndyGraybeal>
yea, it is.. i'm looking at 3 point-of-sale packages right now, openbravopos, floreantpos, and viewtouch, all run on linux. viewtouch isn't open, but it's got the best feature set, it's also the oldest. so i think we are going to move with it soon. it's not very expensive either. i'm still going to keep my eye on openbravopos and floreant. openbravopos also goes along with an ERP application.. which would help because we do manuf
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also timetrex has a workforce scheduling application as well as payroll... all open.. so i want us to move from peachtree payroll and scheduling 100 people each week with pencils.
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there are a lot of projects i have on the assembly line. i don't talk much about it with the people i work with thouhg, i'm afraid they might revolt. they like baby steps.
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just giving our payroll supervisor a rubber stamp with her signature on it so she can process our payroll checks faster didn't go over. she insists on signing each one.
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there's a lot of old mentality at play... and trying to work around that is tricky. i piss a lot of people off :)
20:51
<cliebow_>
reading
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<AndyGraybeal>
who put you up to look at the software at your local eatery? tell the story if you don't mind.
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<cliebow_>
whic sounds like you are right on track..set up a sandbox and give these things a whirl..i was just approached at th restaurant by the lesse who is just wherer you are..trying to run somthing smoothly
20:54
where the ltsp groupp ate
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<AndyGraybeal>
'by the lesse' ?
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<cliebow_>
yeah..just alittle oceanfront place with a lot of turnover in management
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<AndyGraybeal>
yea, i have our HR supervisor looking at timetrex, and the guy who implimented our first POS (peice of shiz) looking at ViewTouch, i need the help.
20:56
<cliebow_>
where are you located?
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<AndyGraybeal>
we are in southeastern ohio, athens ohio.
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we think it's the longest running co-operative in ohio, and we've written some of ohio's legislation based on corporations like ours.
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<cliebow_>
trying to think of the guy in ohio who did some work with us
20:58
<AndyGraybeal>
i might be off base with that longest running coop in ohio, atleast coop restaurant then.
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<cliebow_>
so you are running a kiosk type nevironment as well as the restaurant piece?
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<cliebow_>
crap..my wife signe doff
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my typimg is bad enough when i am not drinking beer with this group
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<AndyGraybeal>
public kiosk is not implemented, but i have plans for it. the ltsp network is, for now, only for employees to do their day-to-day tasks
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hear-hear to beer; i got a bells cherry stout i'm sipping on.
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<cliebow_>
angry bitch belgian ale here
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<AndyGraybeal>
never heard of it.. but i love belgians. mmm
21:02
they get expensiv e:)
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<cliebow_>
new to me..but the label looked good 8~
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<AndyGraybeal>
i've got my eye on the school systems... the teachers around here are all MS brainwashed.
21:03
<cliebow_>
here we are inundated with macbooks..i to 1 laptop initiative
21:04
<AndyGraybeal>
did you see that video that MS just released targeting schools warning them not to try OpenOffice.... below the belt.
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<cliebow_>
no..! have to find it!
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<AndyGraybeal>
i can drudge it up... it's rediculous.
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it makes me feel very very sad.
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<cliebow_>
love to pass it on to my tech guyd
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guys
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<AndyGraybeal>
MS is scared.. and their public relations is very savy
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do you guys run OO or any variation thereof ?
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<cliebow_>
and have dough to back it up
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most of the macboks have oo
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice
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<cliebow_>
iirc
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that was the impetus for moving from ad..they had us by the the..err private parts
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<AndyGraybeal>
this might be it: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/101410-microsoft-ad-trashes.html
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i am on modem, so you'll have to forgive me if it's wrong (yes dialup modem)
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watch th whole thing with sound on and everything.
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<cliebow_>
cool!..FUD..
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fear uncertainty and doubt
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<AndyGraybeal>
cliebow_: that is very very smart your school board felt cornered... i'm afraid too many people like being spoonfed .
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or don't know any better
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<cliebow_>
it was my tech coordinator that had the vision to give me the time to implement it..at the time the school board hadnt a clue
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it was not trivial..he did not know i could code it (nor didi i)
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice.
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<cliebow_>
..looking for the video..
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<AndyGraybeal>
i had to put on a presntation re's opensource software and rally the troops to move my group in the right direction.. i told them that things are going to be very rough, but I will be there to help smooth things out and to just have patience with me.
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ah that link didn't have the video?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzdykNa2IBU&feature=player_embedded
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<cliebow_>
well..not obviously..
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ahhh..
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<AndyGraybeal>
(first link in the aarticle i it looks like)
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<cliebow_>
i have no sound here..but i can see the thrust..
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<AndyGraybeal>
i sometimes wonder... our school systems neeed so much money, yet pay so much for MS operating systems and office suites... it's awful.
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<cliebow_>
passing this onto Scottie to look at..He is in condition for a rant 8`)
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<AndyGraybeal>
it amakes me tremendously sad.
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scottie is your tech? or ltsp team memeber?
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<cliebow_>
yes for sure..the way i feel for the 200 laptops i have to tend with like 805 breakage per year..cause you dont have to earn them
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he wrote a lot of the c in ltsp5//like ldm..
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sbalneav
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<AndyGraybeal>
yeaa, i can't imagine!!!!!
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ldm is badass :)
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<cliebow_>
love to plat this for the guys her..thank you
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play
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he is writing a pam module right now.. to streamline ldm..and make it ldap aware
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<AndyGraybeal>
ah he is very amazing. i'm am hoping to get some of my nagios setup done tonight.
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once this ltsp is ldap aware, maybe there will be some easy to understand docs on how to set up sso :)
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<cliebow_>
trying to get the floor here to play this..
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<AndyGraybeal>
where are you at right now?
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<AndyGraybeal>
the 'ceo' or cheif financial advisor person or whatever won't move to open source yet... but she is the one that sent out the email about how our organization is built much like an open source software organization like apache and others... i was like.... BING! when i saw it.
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so i think she is slowly coming around.
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once i get a vpn setup.. i'll get her straightened around.
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<cliebow_>
i am at ltsp by the sea../in Tremont Maine with the majority of the ltsp devs
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<AndyGraybeal>
aah that is happening right now!!!
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sorry for the slow uptake.
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<cliebow_>
as we speak
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no prob
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<AndyGraybeal>
it's effen late doods :)
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<cliebow_>
ive watched you asking thoughtful questions for quite a whilel now
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yes..great talking to youy
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<AndyGraybeal>
oh, i'm not lewaving :) i still got stuf to do.
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wish i was up in maine right now :)
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<cliebow_>
i think these guys are almost at the inspiration point..wher some wonderful idea surfaces..it seems this is the way that happens..ogra is due any minute and may be the catalyst
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<cliebow_>
perhaps i am opinionated..but this is the greatest bunch of people to be around
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the guy that owns this motel is sitting here with us..laughing and enjoying the moment..that is a sign ..knows nothing asbout computers..but enjoys this company just the same
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<AndyGraybeal>
:):)nicenice
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<AndyGraybeal>
you guys still awake at the conference?
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<Gadi_eeepc>
drinking
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<cliebow_>
yeah.. a litle..tellin stories..how ltsp started
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<AndyGraybeal>
nice :)
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<cliebow_>
50kbps would be good..
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scottie says..holy crap..500 kbps
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the boss says " I LIKE IT ALREADY"
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<AndyGraybeal>
what is liked?