IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 23 December 2013   (all times are UTC)

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03:57
<alkisg>
highvoltage: do you have upstream commit access to gnome-panel?
03:58
There are 4-5 issues in Trusty to be taken care of... patches included for some of them ;)
04:08* vagrantc waves to alkisg
04:08* alkisg waves to vagrantc and waits for the ltsp6 branch :D
04:08
<vagrantc>
heh
04:09
hoping to put in some ltsp work this week
04:10
<alkisg>
Except for ~10 significant bugs, Trusty is in a good shape, so I wouldn't mind doing some work for an ldm-less ltsp branch...
04:11
So if you think you have time for it, I'd say let's do it :)
04:16
<vagrantc>
ok, virtual en-of-year hackfest commences now!
04:17* alkisg sends a dozen virtual beers to vagrant!!!
04:26
<vagrantc>
heh
04:27* vagrantc virtually drinks up
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04:56
<vagrantc>
alkisg: well, got my testing environment updated.. so i should be able to start on things tomorrow
04:57
probably first going to up load cdpingerless ltspfs
04:57
<alkisg>
Shouldn't that go to the stable branch first?
04:57
...before the "split"?
04:57
<vagrantc>
stable?
04:57
<alkisg>
We'll split ltsp-trunk to [ltsp5, ltsp-trunk], right?
04:58
<vagrantc>
ah, forking each current repository
04:58
i was going to just try it as a patch to debian, first off
04:59
but maybe i should first commit upstream...
04:59
<alkisg>
Or maybe [ltsp-trunk, ltsp6], so that we can even ship an ltsp6 package that could be usable but not much tested in production?
04:59
<vagrantc>
i'd be inclined to branch off ltsp-5
05:00
and push most fixes to ltsp-trunk, and backport/cherry-pick individual commits to ltsp-5
05:01
<alkisg>
OK, but what about packaging? It's either hit-or-miss for 14.04/jessie?
05:02
<vagrantc>
packaging branches should be similarly split if needed
05:02
just really depends how long it's going to remain broken
05:03
<alkisg>
We'll move some of the ldm scripts to ltsp-trunk, right?
05:03
So they'll conflict with ldm...
05:04
And since ltsp-client Depends: ldm...
05:04
...I think we'll need some packaging changes
05:04
<vagrantc>
sure
05:04
but ltspfs, for example, may not change too much
05:05
<alkisg>
Yeah that can probably remain common for both ltsp 5 and 6
05:06
<vagrantc>
might consider uploading ltsp6 in parallel... or maybe i just use debian experimental
05:07* alkisg just wants to have an ltsp package in a ppa that doesn't depend on ldm, so that he doesn't have to worry about overlapping scripts
05:08
<vagrantc>
i'm kind of wondering if a separate source package for the *dm/libpam-sshauth hooks makes sense
05:08
and then ltsp* packages can depend on the appropriate packages
05:09
<alkisg>
Hmm on second thought, it looks like having ldm installed won't affect anything, it doesn't put anything under /usr/share/ltsp
05:09
<vagrantc>
right
05:09
all my testing was done with ldm already installed
05:09
<alkisg>
It's just that ltsp6 won't work correctly if one chooses SCREEN_07=ldm because of the duplicate scripts
05:09
<vagrantc>
they can coexist peacefully
05:10
depends how we write it...
05:10
<alkisg>
Are you going to integrate pam-ltsp into ltsp-trunk?
05:10
Or that would be the separate *dm package you were talking about?
05:11
<vagrantc>
yeah, a separate package
05:11
could even shoehorn it into libpam-sshauth, but that's kind of messy
05:12* alkisg would prefer it if libpam-sshauth didn't do anything by default, for ltsp-pnp...
05:12* vagrantc nods
05:12
<alkisg>
But it could have scripts that we could call on init-ltsp.d
05:13
Like, pam-sshauth-config login/lightdm/whatever
05:13
<vagrantc>
so, your libpam-sshauth bugs in trusty were related to overlayfs?
05:13
<alkisg>
Yeah, those are easily solved by moving to a tmpfs dir
05:13
I just symlinked /tmp to /run/tmp
05:13
And I got login and lightdm working with those
05:14
<vagrantc>
did login create the tunnels and everything?
05:14
<alkisg>
I think so, but I'm not sure
05:15
Btw, there's a problem with extrausers, we can't manage multiple logins with our current logic
05:15
We add users on each login, but we don't have a clean way to restore them on each logout
05:15
<vagrantc>
we havne't supported multiple logins for ages
05:16
<alkisg>
OK... what about the system groups not exposed by extrausers?
05:16
<vagrantc>
but yeah, cleanup would be a god thing
05:16
good
05:16
<alkisg>
Are those blockers?
05:17
<vagrantc>
i'm not realthrilled about the system groups being ignored
05:17
basically we need to manually re-add them or something?
05:17
which is what we were trying to avoid
05:17* alkisg doesn't mind much, ltsp-pnp semi-guarantees that the groups are available
05:17
<vagrantc>
heh
05:18
keeps the id numbers in sync, too
05:18
<alkisg>
But if extrausers doesn't quite cut it, we can just use our current code for changing /etc/passwd
05:19
<vagrantc>
yeah, that's worst-case scenario
05:19
although better with the current code, it seems
05:20
<alkisg>
Ah, one way to manage multiple logins: each login would add the users to passwd.login123, and we'd have a merge script that merges all those files to the one that extrausers reads
05:20
<vagrantc>
at that point, ldap or samba start to become attractive
05:20
mltiple servers might get ugly
05:21
<alkisg>
True, if I was the one to decide, I'd avoid having to develop our own pam/managing users solution
05:21
I'd just go with samba to be able to support windows clients too, and call it a day. Or 6-months to be more precise :D
05:22
<vagrantc>
it'd be nice to just support whtever pam/nss backend...
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05:22
<alkisg1>
Sorry I'm near the fireplace, signal not good enough
05:22
<vagrantc>
arbitrary backends seems like the way to go, as long as we can provide a sane default
05:23
<alkisg1>
Sure, we can default to libpam-sshauth and just have a variable to disable it
05:23
<vagrantc>
although getting the ssh tunnel up without it... ?
05:24
<alkisg1>
There's kerberos, or with samba, Phantomas succeeded in copying the ssh keys to the mounted home folder for a password-less connection of the tunnel
05:24* vagrantc is a little tired to dive in tonight, but tomorrow is another day
05:24
<alkisg1>
We do rely on the ssh channel
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05:26
<alkisg>
Time to get the kids to school, bbiab...
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06:42
<vagrantc>
well, i think i've got a workable configuration to have different udev rules on debian vs. ubuntu
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07:25* alkisg is eager to test a cdpinger-less ltsp on ubuntu... :)
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07:34
<vagrantc>
`eh
07:34
er, heh
07:34
eh?
07:35
well, i've got rules that seem to work for me, and alkisg claims the change udev rules are already triggered on ubuntu
07:35
<alkisg>
hehe
07:35
Yup, at least since I reported the bug... let me check which version that was...
07:36
<vagrantc>
my one qurstion is if the rules are also available in debian, but not installed by default...
07:36
so we might hit problems with other packages
07:39
but it seems to work, and is only enabled on boot...
07:39
i just worry that fatclients might have issues or something
07:39
<alkisg>
So you only need to install udisks in debian to make it work?
07:39
<vagrantc>
no udisks, just three udev rules
07:40
<alkisg>
Ah, pastebin?
07:40
If e.g. udisks also install those 3 rules, then fat clients could end up mounting the same disk twice...
07:41
So maybe we should try a debian fat installation first, with udisks etc installed, to see if the rules aren't needed there?
07:41
If so maybe we could install these 3 rules conditionally, only if udisks (or grep for the main rule) isn't there...
07:42
<vagrantc>
http://paste.debian.net/72280
07:42
right
07:42
<alkisg>
Wait, those are for mounting, not to trigger the events... those are needed for ubuntu too, right/
07:43
<vagrantc>
the mounting happens once the change events are triggered
07:43
last you tested it you reported those caused double-mount attempts
07:44
<alkisg>
Hmm let me take this from the start, in order to remember it better
07:45
I think in Ubuntu I managed to have add and remove events, while debian had only change events, right?
07:45
<vagrantc>
yeah, basically
07:45
<alkisg>
*not I managed, it was that way by default
07:45
OK, so, for debian, are you trying to produce add/remove events, or to hook into change events?
07:46
<vagrantc>
the change events call the mounting scripts
07:46
i think
07:46
<alkisg>
OK, scenario where I fear this might go wrong:
07:46
A user installs udisks in his thin chroot
07:46
That somehow fixes the events and now you have add/remove events on debian too
07:47
==> then that user will have the same problems that I had on Ubuntu
07:47
I.e. the change and add events being both processed, ending up mounting the same disk twice
07:47
<vagrantc>
it also needed the polling
07:47
<alkisg>
I think we need to see what happens with a debian chroot that has udisks installed...
07:47* vagrantc forgets if udisks triggers that
07:48
<vagrantc>
i don't think simply installing it caus the problem
07:48
<alkisg>
I think it may make debian produce add/remove events
07:48
<vagrantc>
udisks was installed all along
07:49
only if something runs udisks
07:49* vagrantc purges it and tries again
07:49
<alkisg>
Then we could probably use the same rules for both distros, i.e. to handle only change events and ignore add events completely?
07:51
<vagrantc>
change events only happen for cd media, i think
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07:54
<vagrantc>
given all this, i'm tempted to only upload this change to experimental as a patch
07:56
but it works without udisks installed
07:57
works with it installed...
07:57
testing fatclient with lxde
07:57
no idea if thar has udisks
07:58
doesn't look like it
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08:04
<alkisg>
Yes I meant the change events only for cdroms, the other events are fine... ok if we already process add events for cdroms, we'd need to ignore them
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<vagrantc>
i think the add events only work if there's a media event
08:09
er change event
08:09
for cdrom
08:10
it doesn't seem to do anything if there's no media in the cd drive, and there's no change event if there is media in the drive- it's part of the add event
08:11
long time since i instaled gnome... boy this takes forever to install
08:11
<alkisg>
Hehe
08:12* alkisg needs to go for a couple of hours... happy hacking, bbl!
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<laptopdude90>
Hi
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21:12* DJUnreal waves
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<DJUnreal>
how are we all?
21:13
... aside from sleepin' that is
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<manolo>
aaa
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<DJUnreal>
bbb
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21:57* vagrantc plans to tag ltspfs 1.2 soonish
21:57
<vagrantc>
goodbye, cdpinger.
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<DJUnreal>
ooh, someone's alive
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