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Channel log from 30 September 2010   (all times are UTC)

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<kevcox>
Anyone out there know anything about loading Linux on a Windows CE Neoware Thin Client?
00:17
<Appiah>
well
00:17
does not really matter if there's WinCE on it?
00:17
<kevcox>
I'm kind of lost...
00:17
<Appiah>
since you want to replace it with linux
00:17
<kevcox>
I've been searching and trying to find anyone who can help me and it maybe a little off topic.
00:18
<Appiah>
well does it have CF card or what?
00:18
<kevcox>
When I open the box it is not a CF disk but more a board.
00:18
I have a CF reading but it will not work on this chip
00:19
<Appiah>
does it support cfdisks?
00:19
<kevcox>
I've tried to load the .img via a LiveCD without success.
00:19
Not for sure....sorry this is my first time trying to use a Thin Client.
00:19
<Appiah>
oh..
00:20
<kevcox>
Are there any restrictions on the Windows CE chip that would prevent a reburn?
00:20
<Appiah>
well replacing the OS on a thin client would be like replacing the OS on any computer , just that it maybe does not have a harddrive
00:20
Well I have no idea on your specific thin client
00:20
not all are the same :)
00:21
you will have to research that...
00:21
<kevcox>
I'm trying to use the thin clients for multiple things.
00:21
I bought 27 of them thinking I had a plan. :)
00:21
Now I'm trying to prove my theory.
00:22
<Appiah>
When I want to use thin clients and fat clients for multiple things i PXE boot
00:22
<kevcox>
I think what I'm trying to load requires a block by block write.
00:23
So I'm unable to just boot to the install.
00:23
<Appiah>
and you are trying to load what?
00:23
<kevcox>
FreeBSD Appliance
00:23
<Appiah>
Appliance?
00:23
<kevcox>
PFSense
00:23
Firewall
00:23
The other is AskoziaPBX.
00:23
<Appiah>
on 27 thin clients?
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<kevcox>
Multiple clients
00:24
Firewall service with PBX
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<Appiah>
well when I was putting linux on thin client I found very specific information on just the model I had
00:25
and similar
00:25
<kevcox>
I'm considering that I might be able to find a ribbon or something that would allow me to connect my CF Reader to the chip assuming the chip has the same pin set.
00:25
<Appiah>
my tip would be to run it of USB and if you can get everything to work you will have to find a way to flash that image to the chip
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<kevcox>
I think the connecting pins on the chip are the same as a CF disk just not accessible to the reader interface.
00:26
I did boot from a USB with success so it's just a matter of flashing the chip
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<gnunux>
hi
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<bencer_>
hi all, i've a working lucid ltsp setup, usb sticks work fine but cdroms don't
04:24
/dev/sr0 doesn't exist, any ide what could be wrong ?
04:52
<muppis>
Does it exist locally in thin ?
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<muppis>
At least one user getting Fatal IO error 11 (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server localhost:11.0 while trying to log in. Any ideas?
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<alkisg>
muppis: that usually means that the actual error is *before* that one.
07:23
E.g. if X crashes, *then* you'll see that error before the session also dies.
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<muppis>
This is first warning/error found in .xsession-errors: gnome-session[2092]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-settings-daemon.desktop' failed to register before timeout
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<alkisg>
muppis: it's possible that there's an error before that, but it doesn't log anything to ~/.xsession-errors
07:31
Did you try disabling compiz?
07:31
!compiz
07:31
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "compiz" :: if compiz is giving you problems, one way to disable it for all users is: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<muppis>
compiz has disables times ago.
07:34
disabled..
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<muppis>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/Vmg6fFRU
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<alkisg>
muppis: you should be able to fix at least that: /etc/profile: 29: [[: not found
07:43
/usr/bin/compiz (core) - Fatal: Software rendering detected.
07:43
muppis: also, that means that compiz is running ^^^
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<muppis>
Haven't caused any problems before on any existing thin, but I purge whole compiz because it isn't used anyway.
07:45
<alkisg>
So why is it producing error messages? Is compiz-core still installed?
07:45
<muppis>
Yes.
07:45
<alkisg>
Right.
07:45
So, try disabling it if you want.
07:46
<muppis>
I purge it.
07:46
<alkisg>
(03:44:37 PM) alkisg: So why is it producing error messages? Is compiz-core still installed?
07:46
(03:44:48 PM) muppis: Yes.
07:46
So if it is still installed, why are you saying that you purged it?
07:46
I can't understand you.
07:46
<jappiecr>
I installed Italc in chroot environment, but have trouble getting it to work. I want to reinstall on the server side only.How do I uninstall it completly?
07:46
<muppis>
Sorry, english ain't my native language. I purged it now, after I said that.
07:47
<alkisg>
muppis: anyway, my proposal is to run the command above that sets metacity as the window manager.
07:48
<muppis>
It was done about two-three weeks ago.
07:48
<alkisg>
muppis: can you pastebin your /etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory/%gconf-tree.xml ?
07:49
<muppis>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/8Q383uQN
07:49
<alkisg>
(unless if that .xsession-errors that you pasted in the pastebin above that had the compiz error was even older than that...)
07:50
Right, that must be it
07:50
<muppis>
Just recreated account, with fresh homedir
07:51
<alkisg>
Hmmm I can't make any sense out of it then... why would compiz run with those settings?!
07:54
Btw, can you also paste your /etc/profile to fix the error there?
07:55
<muppis>
http://ltsp.pastebin.com/TCz4Z40t
07:55
<jappiecr>
Is there away to undo an installation? If my server was running great at 10 am and I installed something at 10.15am in server and chroot, can I get the system to to the state of 10am again?
07:56
<muppis>
jappiecr, using purge or remove commands for those packages instead of install.
07:57
<jappiecr>
is there a manual for this?
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<muppis>
jappiecr, did you use Synaptic (or any other graphical aoftware) or from command line with aptitude or apt-get to install it?
07:58
software..
07:59
<jappiecr>
I installed a program called Italc and did it through command line.
07:59
<alkisg>
muppis: you're using thin clients, not fat clients, right?
07:59
<muppis>
alkisg, yes.
08:00
fat ones works ok.
08:00
<jappiecr>
muppis, I installed a program called Italc and did it through command line.
08:01
<muppis>
jappiecr, with aptitude ?
08:02
<jappiecr>
muppis, not sure what aptide is? But I followed this manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc
08:03
is there something in Ubuntu like "system restore" to previous state?
08:03
<muppis>
jappiecr, ok. Follow again, but just use lines containing apt-get -command and replace install with purge.
08:03
<jappiecr>
muppis, thanks I will try this !
08:04
<muppis>
Ofcourse you need use chroot also, and update you images.
08:05
<jappiecr>
muppis, do i start from the bottom or from top?
08:06
<muppis>
jappiecr, I think this all what you need: sudo apt-get purge italc-master && sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get purge italc-client && sudo ltsp-update-image --arch i386
08:06
As one command.
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<jappiecr>
muppis, will try and let you know.Thanks!
08:09
<muppis>
alkisg, I hope the compiz was the reason. If not, I have to check it tomorrow morning, as I'm here now using same hardware than causing the problem.
08:09
<alkisg>
muppis: I hope so, otherwise it's making no sense to me :)
08:10
<muppis>
Me neither. :)
08:11
But now had to go home.
08:15
<jappiecr>
muppis, worked great thanks
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<jappiecr>
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08:52
2010-09-30 13:50:38 GMT
08:52
I installed Italc in edubuntu 10.04 ltsp environment (Tried both ltsp and server-only install!) while I was logged in as administrator. Everything works fine when am logged in as admin. But when I login as one of the teachers (or any other user) Italc tells me there no password found (?) and something with ICA. I tried the documentation but couldn't figure it out. The idea is that all teachers can login with their own account and then start using Italc..
08:52
. Any ideas? Please help!
08:52
ps...I reinstalled Server-only install now ...
09:06
<alkisg>
Are the teachers on some special group, e.g. "teachers" ?
09:12
<jappiecr>
alkisg, In users and groups (edubuntu) I created a group called teacher and a group called student..and an adminstrator
09:13
<alkisg>
jappiecr: that's not a group, that's a user account
09:13
I mean, when you create 10 teachers and 10 students, how will the system know which one is the teacher?
09:14
<jappiecr>
alkisg, u mean ubuntu or Italc?
09:14
<alkisg>
Ubuntu
09:14
To check for the file permissions
09:15
You need teachers not to be admins but to be able to launch italc, while you don't want students to be able to launch italc.
09:15
Did I understand that right?
09:15
And I'm saying, to do that, you need to put all the accounts into groups, e.g. to have a "teachers" group, and modify the italc keys permissions so that only teachers can access them.
09:16
<jappiecr>
alkisg, yes!
09:20
alkisg, In ubuntu I went to user and Groups and added a couple of users. Then I made 2 groups here, teachers and students. Than I went to Profile manager (where it only show the users, but calls them groups(?)). Here I made 2 menus, 1) teachers and 2) students (tried) to make profiles. Then in "profile manager: I made again 3 groups. 1) admin, 2 teacher and 3) students. Then I assigned them to "groups and menu association".
09:21
<alkisg>
jappiecr: ls -lha -R /etc/italc
09:21
See the keys there, the private keys are only readable by admins
09:21
So, you need to "chown -R" those to be readable by teachers
09:22
I don't know the exact file names, I don't use iTalc, it crashes too often for me.
09:22
But now you only need a chown command.
09:22
<jappiecr>
alkisg, total 24K
09:22
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-09-29 16:28 .
09:22
drwxr-xr-x 151 root root 12K 2010-09-30 08:12 ..
09:22
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-09-29 16:30 configfiles
09:22
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 keys
09:23
/etc/italc/configfiles:
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total 12K
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-09-29 16:30 .
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-09-29 16:28 ..
09:23
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 177 2010-09-29 16:30 globalconfig.xml
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/etc/italc/keys:
09:23
total 16K
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-09-29 16:28 ..
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 private
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drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 public
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/etc/italc/keys/private:
09:23
total 20K
09:23
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
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drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 admin
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 supporter
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 teacher
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/etc/italc/keys/private/admin:
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total 12K
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
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drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
09:23
-r--r----- 1 root admin 668 2010-04-29 07:05 key
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/etc/italc/keys/private/supporter:
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total 12K
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
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drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
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-r--r----- 1 root admin 672 2010-04-29 07:05 key
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/etc/italc/keys/private/teacher:
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total 12K
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
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drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
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-r--r----- 1 root admin 668 2010-04-29 07:05 key
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/etc/italc/keys/public:
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total 20K
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drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
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drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 admin
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drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 supporter
09:24
<alkisg>
!pastebin
09:24
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebin" :: try !pastebot
09:24
<jappiecr>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 teacher
09:24
/etc/italc/keys/public/admin:
09:24
total 12K
09:24
<alkisg>
!pastebot
09:24
<jappiecr>
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 .
09:24
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "pastebot" :: The LTSP pastebot is at http://ltsp.pastebin.com. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. Don't forget to paste the URL of the text here.
09:24
<jappiecr>
drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4.0K 2010-04-29 07:05 ..
09:24
-r--r--r-- 1 root root 590 2010-04-29 07:05 key
09:24
/etc/italc/keys/public/supporter:
09:24
total 12K
09:24
drwxr-xr-x 2 root
09:24
<alkisg>
jappiecr: don't paste long lines here, use pastebot.
09:25
<jappiecr>
alkisg, sorry, my 2nd day in Xchat! U want me to re-paste?
09:25
<alkisg>
No, I don't need that info
09:25
I just told you the command to look at the info youself...
09:25
See the "admin" there, and use the "chown" command to change it to "teachers"
09:26
To learn how to change ownership of some files, use google or ask in #ubuntu-beginners
09:28
<jappiecr>
alkisg, for my ignorance...2 week ubuntu/linux user. will check out beginners...and try to figure it out
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<andrew_ubuntu>
anyone here have success with usb scanners on the client? jammcq was helping me yesterday, but I see he is not here right now. I am able to see the scanner via 'scanimage -L' if I SSH into the client's console, but in Gnome, 'scanimage -L' says "No scanners were identified". What can I check to see why this is?
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<seidos>
i'm trying to help a user out that is using italc, but i can't get it to run. do i have to install ltsp separately to get it to work? i get the following error: http://imagebin.org/116427
10:40
<Kyle__>
Sanity check before I blow things away (and yes I have a backup, but still checking before anyway). If my current image & chroot is named amd64, it will not be affected if I run "ltsp-build-client --arch amd64 --chroot foo". Correct?
10:48* Kyle__ shrugs
10:49
<Kyle__>
Oh well, yet another tarball had time to finish, I'll try it
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<alkisg>
seidos: the installation method is different on standalone machines vs ltsp servers
11:55
On ltsp servers, one just needs to install the italc-master package
11:56
On standalone machines one needs to transfer the generated keys to clients
11:56
A logoff/logon is needed on both cases for the ica service to run
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<jappiecr>
alkisg, I am having the same problem as seidos but one cannot only install the italc-master package. It comes with the client package as well I think
12:00
<alkisg>
Right, that's necessary too, it's installed as a dependency automatically.
12:00
jappiecr: I don't think you're having the same problem, you just don't know how to change the keys permissions from "admin" to "teachers"...
12:00
italc runs for admins for you, right?
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<jappiecr>
alkisg, not anymore. I uninstalled and and reinstalled it. Now it does not work anymore...I now get the message: "could not open configuration file /etc/italc/configfiles/globalconfig.xml"
12:02
<alkisg>
You probably put the wrong permissions in that file
12:02
Again, different problem
12:02
With the default installation it runs fine
12:03
<seidos>
after reinstalling, it completely removed /etc/italc. so i don't think permissions is the problem.
12:03
<alkisg>
seidos: what part removed /etc/italc?
12:04
<seidos>
alkisg, i recommended to jappiercr, after he reinstalled and had the problem. to rm his /etc/italc directory. but after uninstalling, the directory was already removed.
12:04
<jappiecr>
alkisg, I started trying stuff, so i uninstalled ialc, removed all my groups and users and reinstalled it again. Now It won;t stat anymore. After the initial message that it can't find the globalconf.xml I get the same message as seidos: http://imagebin.org/116427
12:05
<alkisg>
jappiecr: I really hate supporting italc because it's too broken for my taste, but I think I can spare a few minutes to get it to run for you with vnc (remote support). Would you like that?
12:06
<jappiecr>
YES
12:06
<alkisg>
I insist that with the default installation it runs fine (except for its own crashes), but let's see which parts you messed up... :)
12:06
Run: sudo apt-get install x11vnc
12:06
<jappiecr>
just tell me what to do...
12:06
<alkisg>
x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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<jappiecr>
alkisg, ok is done
12:09
<alkisg>
jappiecr: I didn't receive any connections, did you get any error messages?
12:09
Ah, got it
12:10
<Kyle__>
alkisg: instead of using italc can't you just put the VNC module into the x11 config? I haven't actually tried it myself, I'm just saying.
12:11
<jappiecr>
is 123
12:11
<alkisg>
ok - i was waiting for you to type it ;)
12:16
jappiecr: it's ready
12:16
Now, if the clients have started before the teacher starts italc, he'll see them
12:16
<jappiecr>
alkisg, WOUW that is great!
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<alkisg>
jappiecr: BUT, I didn't run the teacher chown command
12:17
That's the default installation
12:17
Do you want me to create the teacher group too?
12:17
<jappiecr>
alkisg, yes please!
12:17
<alkisg>
OK, but you'll need to logoff to get "access" to the new teachers group, wait...
12:19
jappiecr: I copied all the commands I did in case you want to see them,
12:19
so if you want save that gedit file somewhere
12:20
Next, you need to logoff /logon, and I need to change the keys permissions for you
12:20
So come back both here + in the vnc and we'll continue after you logon
12:21
<jappiecr>
alkisg, thank you so much! I will logoff/on and get back ok!
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<alkisg>
Kyle__: italc offers much more than vnc, though. There's really no other classroom administration tool available (that's why we had to develop our own here in greece when we saw that italc wasn't good enough)
12:24
jappiecr: x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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<Kyle__>
Ahh.
12:26
<alkisg>
jappiecr: ready
12:27
The chown command you were looking for was: sudo chown -R root:teachers /etc/italc/keys/private
12:27
<jappiecr>
alkisg, great, thank u!
12:27
<alkisg>
Now, any user in the "teachers" group will be able to launch italc
12:27* alkisg closed the vnc viewer...
12:27
<jappiecr>
alkisg, Now if I want to add user and groups to edubuntu, how do I add the teacher to the teachers group?
12:28
<alkisg>
From the users-admin GUI, it's on the system > settings > users and groups
12:29
<jappiecr>
alkisg, I see it, great! And so need to make a separte group for students right?
12:29
<alkisg>
Not really
12:29
Just don't put the students on the teachers group
12:30
<jappiecr>
alkisg, is the italc the related to profiles/profile manager or has nothing to do with this?
12:30
<alkisg>
It's unrelated
12:31
<jappiecr>
alkisg, Great I will start testing and let you know. One more Q, with this configurtion the teacher can use the italc from thin client as well?
12:31
<alkisg>
Yes
12:31
<jappiecr>
THANK YOU!
12:31
<alkisg>
So, to sum up: the default "sudo apt-get install italc-master" command works, but a logoff/logon is needed,
12:32
and you also needed to add a "teachers" group and run that chown -R command, nothing more.
12:32
Remember that admins WON'T be able to run italc unless they're in the "teachers" group too.
12:32
(I put administrador in the teachers group for you)
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<jappiecr>
thanks!
12:33
<alkisg>
You're welcome
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<seidos>
ah logon/logoff. didn't think about that
12:48
thanks
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<Kyle__>
If you have multiple images, how do you get ltsp-update-image to update the non-main one?
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<abeehc-_>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
13:54
that talks about a method, Kyle__
13:54
with the --chroot arg i guess
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<Kyle__>
abeehc-_: OK, I'll try that. I tried --chroot after -f didn't work.
13:57
Ahhh -a...
13:57
The docs say that's for arch :) Funny.
13:58
And indeed that works.
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<abeehc-_>
yeah i'm not sure.. i pulled it off with a localapps image at leats once
13:58
right on
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<Kyle__>
I read some posts from other sysadmins who had smilar lockups in ubuntu 10.04. Apparently with the exact same kernel it doesn't seem to happen for them in kubuntu or xubuntu...
14:02* Kyle__ shrugs
14:02
<Kyle__>
So I'm testing some new chroots.
14:02
s/chroots/images/
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<abeehc-_>
wierd
14:05
with the gx280s as i recall?
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<Kyle__>
GX620s, but yea
14:10
<abeehc-_>
right
14:10
are they fullsize or the little chassis?
14:10
we just looked over ebay and pretty well settled on those
14:11
at 50$ problem with caps don't matter that much
14:11
<Kyle__>
Full sized ones.
14:11
<jappiecr>
alkisg, Hi i am back again. I started testing and the italc interface will start but my TCś donñt show up. I tried manually adding one in the italc but it say nobody is logged on..
14:12
<Kyle__>
If they were mini-chassis I'd be happier, then I could put them on the desks, behind or under the monitors without obstructing the view.
14:12
As it is kids kick them stretching the ethernet & usb cables tight.
14:13
<jappiecr>
alkisg, is there anything that I need to do from this page to make it work: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc ?
14:13
<alkisg>
jappiecr: no, it should work with the default installation - anything else just makes it worse :D
14:14
<jappiecr>
alkisg, yes I experienced this already:-(
14:14
<alkisg>
Run x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org again if you want, both from where the teacher is logged in and where the student is logged in...
14:15
<jappiecr>
alkisg, u mean that i need to login to 2 TC's and use one with teacher account and other with student account?
14:15
<ofirk>
alkisg: thank you for your help. I managed to setup a LTSP server and boot from 2 clients
14:15
<alkisg>
jappiecr: of course, how else is italc supposed to work?
14:15
ofirk: you're welcome
14:16
<ofirk>
alkisg: I tried to play video files and they were a little bit choppy
14:16
alkisg: do you think I need to upgrade the server or the clients (ot both:) ?
14:16
<alkisg>
ofirk: ask your problems in the channel, for anyone available to help... :)
14:16
There's no need to direct them specifically to me...
14:16
<jappiecr>
alkisg, off course when I tested it I logged from TC's. I mean to run the x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org. Or just like I did before from this server?
14:17
<ofirk>
alkisg: ok :)
14:17
<alkisg>
jappiecr: sit where the teacher will be sitting (either a tc or the server, wherever you want). Login, and run the x11vnc command. Do the same for a student seat.
14:17
<ofirk>
Hey everyone :)
14:17
I tried to play video files and they were a little bit choppy
14:18
My setup is a server that is conencted to 2 clients using router
14:18
the network is 100Mb network
14:19
I want to use this setup to run XBMC
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<alkisg>
ofirk: do you have LDM_DIRECTX=True in lts.conf?
14:19
It offers speed at a security cost
14:19
<jappiecr>
alkisg, teacher done...next is student...
14:19
<ofirk>
this directx for windows only?
14:19
<alkisg>
No, "direct" "x -windows" :)
14:20
<ofirk>
oh :)
14:20
<alkisg>
It's linux only :)
14:20
<ofirk>
I will put it
14:20
<alkisg>
!lts.conf
14:20
<ltspbot>
alkisg: "lts.conf" :: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/lts.conf
14:20
<alkisg>
And also read the docs if you want more info about it
14:20
<jappiecr>
alkisg, student loggin in as well
14:21
<ofirk>
do you mean /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf ,right?
14:22
ok, I managed :)
14:22
<vagrantc>
stgraber: i don't know when it happens automatically, if at all, but you should sync ltsp-docs from debian ...
14:23
alkisg: or do you know the process of getting updates in?
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<alkisg>
vagrantc: nope, not sure, I think someone files a bug and requests a sync or something...
14:24
<jappiecr>
alkisg, is it easier if I set laguage to English in teacher and student ?
14:24
<alkisg>
Nah, don't bother :)
14:28
<ofirk>
one of my clients has a nvidia card, do I need to install some drivers in order to use?
14:28
<alkisg>
jappiecr: it looks like you've also made some other configuration pages, do you remember following anything else on that page?
14:28
<ofirk>
will it boost performance ?
14:28
<alkisg>
**configuration changes, I meants
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<alkisg>
ofirk: you need to reboot the client for LDM_DIRECTX to take effect, and it's on /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/lts.conf, not in /opt/ltsp...
14:29
<ofirk>
yes, I found it (it says so in the header of the first conf file)
14:30
but I have another question... regarding nvidia cards
14:30
<jappiecr>
alkisg, I made some changes to the config yesteday but I changed nothing after you installed it. I see it give an ip of 127.0.0.1...I configured the ltps to run with 10.0.30
14:30
<ofirk>
when I install Kubuntu I need to manually install the drivers in order to use the nvidia card
14:31
do I need to install some drivers in order to use the nvidia card?
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I found some docs talking about the X Windows system and how card loading is done
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I know how to install the driver (using chroot somehow)
14:34
but only 1 client uses nvidia, the other one doesn't
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<alkisg>
jappiecr: can you enter the password for administrador on the teacher screen?
14:35
jappiecr: nm :)
14:39
jappiecr: somehow italc is configured to look to /etc/italc/configfiles instead of ~/.italc
14:39
<jappiecr>
alkisg, just on my system or is a bug?
14:39
<alkisg>
I think that's because you ran some commands and messed up its configuration, BUT it might also be a problem in the package
14:39* alkisg installs italc to check... :(
14:40
<jappiecr>
alkisg, most likely i screwed something up:-)
14:40
<alkisg>
jappiecr: I *didn't* fix it, it still needs to be fixed
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<alkisg>
bb in 5'...
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<jappiecr>
alkisg, ok cu in a bit :)
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<Kyle__>
ofirk: unless you need hardware 3d support, the free nvidia drivers (which [k|x|ed]ubuntu come with) will work automatically.
14:51
<alkisg>
jappiecr: that path there, I think it was you who put it, right?
14:51
<Kyle__>
Allrighty...looks like kubuntu _does_ cause the same issue for my hardware.
14:51* Kyle__ sighs.
14:51
<jappiecr>
yes, bI did something like this yesterday I think
14:53
alkisg, yesterday I followed these steps: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc but did not realized that it will still have effect after uninstall
14:53
<alkisg>
jappiecr: ok, fixed it, closed vnc
14:54
That wiki page needs to be checked or even deleted... :)
14:54
ah, and it says that's for 8.04, not 10.04, so you shouldn't have followed it
14:54
<jappiecr>
alkisg, I'd say! hank you so much again!
14:55
alkisg, somebody pointed me to it and told me I should follow it. It also it is the only info available I could find and
14:55
<alkisg>
jappiecr: in the ubuntultsp wiki, if you don't see that the page actually is for your ubuntu version, DON'T follow it
14:55
<Kyle__>
So that brings me to the question, how does one build a debian chroot under ubuntu?I'm guessing it's something easy to fix...
14:55
<alkisg>
Even if it's the only info you can find
14:55
<Kyle__>
E: Failed getting release file http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lenny/Release
14:56
<jappiecr>
alkisg, Ill keep your advise! Anyway, many many thanks...you helped getting decent education to some poor Costa Rican Kids come a giant leap closer:-)
14:57
<alkisg>
You're welcome :)
14:58
<jappiecr>
alkisg, how good does it feel to no longer have to be depend on expensive MS crap software! GNU rules !!! Now we can start working toward recourse based education...and hopefully make a differnce in about 20 years!
14:59
<alkisg>
I hope italc works for you, it sure didn't work for me :)
15:00
<jappiecr>
alkisg, I hope so too...will start experimenting with it and let u know. ps...on the "flor account" there is still the italc-launcher document open. Do I need to save changes or close without saving?
15:01
<alkisg>
Close without saving
15:01
<jappiecr>
thanx
15:32
<Kyle__>
Doh... just needed --mirror http://ftp.debian.org/debian
15:35
<alkisg>
vagrantc: we've modified the debian win32-loader package to install gpxe instead of a linux kernel, so that it offers a "Boot from network" option in the boot loader of windows nt/2000/xp/2003/vista/7.
15:35
I wonder though, would the win32-loader maintainers be interested in providing a gpxe option themselves as part of their package, so that it's properly integrated, internationalized and distributed? It would be helpful to many ltsp users out there...
15:35
<vagrantc>
Kyle__: don't use ftp.debian.org, it's deprecated
15:36
Kyle__: and hard on the mirror
15:37
alkisg: i suspect they would, although upstream gpxe isn't really showing any signs of resolving the licensing issues such that it could go into debian...
15:38
<alkisg>
Hmmm... Has anyone contacted them? I think they were looking forward to solving whatever issues still remain... :(
15:39
<vagrantc>
alkisg: i've contacted them numerous times over the last year, and gotten very little response.
15:39
<Kyle__>
vagrantc: Oops. What should I use then? Is it so hard I should cancel the build in progress?
15:39
<alkisg>
Ouch
15:39
<vagrantc>
a "oh sure, we'd love to do that" is about as much as i've gotten.
15:39
Kyle__: what part of the world are you in?
15:39
<Kyle__>
vagrantc: States.
15:39
<vagrantc>
Kyle__: ftp.us.debian.org
15:39
Kyle__: probably get better bandwidth, too.
15:40
<Kyle__>
Doh. Makes sense. yea. Think it's worth it to cancel and restart?
15:40
<vagrantc>
good habit to get into, at least :)
15:40
<alkisg>
Kyle__: hardcode ftp.debian.org to /etc/hosts?
15:40
<vagrantc>
heh
15:40
alkisg: good hack!
15:40
<sweetpi>
Kyle__: debian.lcs.mit.edu should be faster for you
15:40
<alkisg>
You'll get an instant change :P
15:40
<Kyle__>
OK.
15:40
Oooh.
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<alkisg>
(without breaking the build)
15:40
<vagrantc>
if you're on internet2, definitely find another mirror on internet2 ... huge difference in speed.
15:40
<Kyle__>
Eh, I just flipped back to it, it's finish up configuring the packages.
15:41
Heh. My university doesn't have the prestige, or wherewithall, for inet2.
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<vagrantc>
ah, someone mentioned mit.edu, so i was wondering... anyways.
15:44
i forget what it's called, but there's some sevice that uses geoip to determine a reasonable default mirror.
15:45
<sweetpi>
<arch>-geomirror.debian.net
15:45
<Kyle__>
Wow... what happened to KDE? This kubuntu image is the firs time I've used it in years...its all tarted up with eye candy, and limmited usability.
15:46
it's like vista!
15:52
<vagrantc>
every new version of KDE hurts more. :)
15:52
it's like moore's law
15:52
<Kyle__>
I know. I want to like it, it has so many great features.....
15:52
but then it just... goes and act's like bastard stepchild of vista and snow-leapord.
15:53* alkisg stopped trying to like KDE and only likes Qt now :)
15:53
<Kyle__>
s/stepchild/lovechild/
15:53
Wow, I can not type today.
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<frederickjh>
Is there a way with the autlogin option in the lts.conf file to make it wait a number of seconds before login in?
16:15
Right now login out auto logs the client right back in.
16:15
Before the server can be shut down.
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<vagrantc>
frederickjh: there are some timeout options
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frederickjh: man lts.conf
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frederickjh: LDM_LOGIN_TIMEOUT
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frederickjh: although you'll want to switch from LDM_AUTOLOGIN to LDM_GUEST_LOGIN
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<frederickjh>
Thanks
16:22
<vagrantc>
er, LDM_GUESTLOGIN
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<frederickjh>
What is the difference?
16:23
between Auto and guest login, that is?
16:23
<vagrantc>
LDM_AUTOLOGIN never displays the login screen
16:23
<frederickjh>
Ah,
16:23
and guest does?
16:23
<vagrantc>
yup
16:23
<frederickjh>
Thanks!
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<vagrantc>
it will display a button "Login as Guest" or translated if the language is configured/supported
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<vagrantc>
the UI is a little clunky ... many people seem confused by it.
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<frederickjh>
New question, Is there a way to server up different images to different clients? And if so is there a tutorial somewhere?
16:25
Ah, so it still need user intervention to complete the login unless you use the timeout ?
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<vagrantc>
frederickjh: right
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frederickjh: regarding the timeout
16:26
it's definitely possible to serve up multiple images, but in many cases, not necessary to have different images ... you could configure different thin clients differently, for example.
16:27
unless they have conflicting configurations
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<frederickjh>
I have normal ltsp Ubuntu Lucid install and want to server up mythbuntu to new clients I want to add while still servering the same image I have now to the exsiting clients. Is that possible?
16:27
<vagrantc>
or rather, one requires something be installed, and one requires it not be installed
16:27
ah, specialized cases like that, too :)
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<frederickjh>
No, idea where to find any instructions?
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<frederickjh>
Thanks again vagrantc for the help. Bye! bed time here.
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<jappiecr>
Any idea how to enable numlock key on thin client at start up_ I installed numlockx on server and work great, but how do I get this to work on my TC's?
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<abeehc-_>
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/lts.conf.5.html
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X_NUMLOCK=True i guess
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