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Channel log from 10 December 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<johnny>
it'd be nice if ltspbot had a !tell command
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<rjune_>
use memoserv
00:20
<johnny>
if anybody sees polytan , tell him i'm working on something to ease the installation hassles
00:20
LOL memoserv
00:20
that requires a user to be IDENTIFYed
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!tell doesn't
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<ltspbot`>
johnny: (tell <an alias, 2 arguments>) -- Alias for "Misc tell $1 [whatis $2]".
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<johnny>
oh.. hmm
00:21
!tell polytan i'm working on obtaining a new stage3 tarball that should solve some issues, please wait on that
00:21
<ltspbot`>
johnny: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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<johnny>
oh
00:21
it's something else i guess
00:21
<Ryan52>
!tell johnny docs
00:21
<johnny>
oh that's boring
00:21
<Ryan52>
did that do what I expected it to?
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:p
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<johnny>
what you expected
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but not what i expected:)
00:22* Ryan52 nods
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<johnny>
usually more like a pounce
00:22
so i guess we should have
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!pounce
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<ltspbot`>
johnny: Error: "pounce" is not a valid command.
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<rjune_>
johnny: polytan is online
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<Ryan52>
heh
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<johnny>
ok?
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and?
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but not here at this moment
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a !pounce would jump on him right when he speaks first :)
00:26
<Ryan52>
ah.
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<johnny>
i'm sure he'll see all this now tho
00:26
just a nice feature
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<rjune_>
johnny: you could pm him
00:27
I sent him a memo
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<johnny>
rjune, i know silly
00:27
that isn't the point
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<Ryan52>
well, that solves that...
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<rjune_>
heh
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<johnny>
see you broke him rjune
00:28
lol
00:30
ok.. night night time
00:31* Ryan52 waves
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<vagrantc>
Ryan52: well, the "glitch" with sessions not supporting fulls paths... it just blindly went ahead and decided it was the default session.
00:41
<Ryan52>
full paths in the .dmrc file?
00:41
<vagrantc>
in ~/.dmrc ... i.e.
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Session=/usr/bin/gnome-session
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<Ryan52>
gnome docs don't mention that...are there some that do?
00:42
or is there a *dm that does support that?
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<vagrantc>
i don't know weather it's supposed to be supported or not... but just silently ignoring a value it doesn't know seems a little weird...
00:42
all unknown values are treated as "default"
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<Ryan52>
ya...what should it do? give an error?
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<vagrantc>
maybe just a warning message... "unknown session: fall back to default session?"
00:44
<Ryan52>
that seems scary since afaik there's no specification for .dmrc, so there could be random stuff that's valid to some *dm...
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<vagrantc>
something like that?
00:44
indeed.
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<Ryan52>
ya, ok.
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<vagrantc>
i think gdm respected the full path when i put it in... but i'm not sure.
00:45
overall, i think what you've done so far is great :)
00:46
ldm 2.0.21-1 should hit debian experimental in a few hours.
00:47
and i already installed it on our lenny ltsp server at freegeek.
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<Ryan52>
vagrantc: once alioth comes back to life can you chgrp -R the whole bzr repo? it's a little pointless to have a group when only you have write access...
00:49
<vagrantc>
Ryan52: heh. sure.
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<Ryan52>
not that anybody else would probably ever use it, but ya :)
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<polytan>
hello
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<Ryan52>
22:19 < johnny> if anybody sees polytan , tell him i'm working on something to ease the installation hassles
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polytan: ^^
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<polytan>
Ryan52, thanks !
02:33
johnny, if you want me to test something
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I'm at work for that all my day
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from now ;)
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but at 4am, I think he's sleeping ;)
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<rjune_>
polytan: you have a memo too
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<polytan>
do I ?
02:58
where can I read it ?
02:58* polytan goes on bigzilla
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<rjune_>
msg memoserv
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you have to be identified though
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it should clue you in that you have one somewhere though
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<polytan>
rjune, oh, yes, I have a memo
03:00
thanks rjune
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<rjune_>
np
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<generalsnus>
We have a problem with our thin clients, It seems like each user has 2 instances of the process "ps" running.. using 2% cpu each.. as you imagine..this is a problem when there is 30 users logged on.. cpu load is at 90-100% what can i do?
03:05
<rjune_>
ps runs then terminates
03:05
the only reason I know of that ps won't terminate immediately is if you are using LDAP or similar and are having a server problem
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<generalsnus>
i am authenticating against M$ AD
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"ps" also seems dissapear if i do "killall firefox"
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but it only takes seconds before they are back again
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<rjune_>
generalsnus: do you know what ps is?
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<generalsnus>
ps displays information about processes... that is all i found on the net
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<rjune_>
right, it's a command line program
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if you go to a terminal and run ps, it will show you the programs running
03:11
killall firefox is irrelevant.
03:11
you have something else that's running ps repeatedly
03:12
login to your terminal, and run pstree
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you my have to install pstree
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<generalsnus>
ok
03:12
pstree done
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what now? heh
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<rjune_>
see ps in the tree?
03:14
trace it back to find out what's starting ps
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<generalsnus>
hm.. i see: ─38*[python───sh─ ps ─grep]
03:20
is this related?
03:24
ok.. pstree output: http://paste2.org/p/113585
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<rjune_>
generalsnus: yes.
03:29
do ps auxwww|grep python
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looks like there's a python something running that's shellng out ps
03:35
<generalsnus>
..the students rebooted their clients.. so ill do that in a min
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<generalsnus>
Ok did the command on a another LTSP Server: http://paste2.org/p/113591 when i did "top | grep ps" i only found 2 instances on the server tho
03:49
<rjune_>
generalsnus: python /usr/bin/scp-client <-- I bet that's what's running ps on you.
03:52
<polytan>
i would loike to use ltsp too :(
03:52
where is the bzr to retreive ldminfo ?
03:52
<generalsnus>
scp-client = thin-client-manager-backend : http://paste2.org/p/113596
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<rjune_>
generalsnus: ok.
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<rjune_>
generalsnus: pstree -a should confirm that scp client is what's doing the repeated ps
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<generalsnus>
hm.. we tried to killall python, just to get the system responsive again... cpu load went back to 20%
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<rjune_>
so load dropped, then went back up?
03:59
what hardware are you using?
03:59
<generalsnus>
no..still low.. and no PS processes spawned
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x2 xenon 2.6ghz
04:00
is there somthing i can do to the script, to prevent this?
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<rjune_>
probably, but I don't know what's going on
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I'm not too familiar with it anymore.
04:03
likely what's happening is ps queries ADS, which causes wait
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and that's what's causing your load to be so high
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if you run top and look near the top(3rd line) you'll see X% WA
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that's wait time, it's the cpu doing nothing but waiting on data
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a local cache for user info would help.
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so would increasing the responsiveness of the AD connection
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<generalsnus>
hm, cant see this now tho.. since the load is down and all
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<rjune_>
right.
04:06
you could always through more hardware at it, but that's not really a solution
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<generalsnus>
Im gonna restart the servers after launch, then ill see if this happens again.. ill keep an eye at top tho
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<polytan>
rjune, my client has started ldm itself :/
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<generalsnus>
brb ..lunch
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<polytan>
I had started it and forgotten that the system was lauched
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and it appeared :/
04:10
but X seems to fail to startd (screen is going black and back to the shell prompt)
04:11
do I have to set up ldap or if I use the login/pass of an existing user on my server the X session should start ?
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<rjune_>
polytan: generally ldap is not required unless you are using localapps, or integrating the LTSP server into a larger network
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<polytan>
ok
04:20
rjune, currently, ldm starts automatically instantly after the boot
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<rjune_>
that sounds right
04:20
I've not done much since ltsp 4.2
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<polytan>
I think it was because a few componenets where missing on the chroot (I was installing gdm)
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but when I enter a login/passwd that works on the server, X fails to start and blink on the screen
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<rjune_>
look in ~/.xsession-errors
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there may be something else happening that's killing it
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ldm is to my knowledge an X program.
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<polytan>
hum
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it seems to me that it is an X issue
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<polytan>
a pb with framebuffer
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<polytan>
Cannot run in framebuffer mode. Please Specify busIDs
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(I did nothing on X
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<rjune_>
sorry, I can't really help.
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<polytan>
there is an X11 module missing : xsmp
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<polytan>
johnny, it seems that module-x11-xsmp is missing
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do you know if we must unmask xorg-x11 to switch to 7.3 or 7.4 and have this extension ?
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<moldy>
hi
06:00
is it normal that ltsp clients do not run a dhcp client daemon?
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<moldy>
my clients don't run one, and that means that they fail to renew their dhcp leases
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<polytan>
I've found a bug in ldm
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in the ldm.log, it is written : "my ip is 192.168.32.1"
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the hostname is 192.168.32.1
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(everything normal here)
06:09
the route is well set to 192.168.32.254 (my server)
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<rjune_>
ok, that's good
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<polytan>
but ldm try to connect by ssh to 192.168.0.254 (0 !)
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<rjune_>
neat
06:09
you sure it's not a typo in a config file somewhere?
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<polytan>
I don't know where is it
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but there is nothing on 192.168.0.x
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and I've never specify any 192.168.0.x
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(or I believe it)
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<rjune_>
ok
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<polytan>
do you know where ldm look at his config file to configure itself ?
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<rjune_>
no
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<polytan>
:)
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<polytan>
rjune, it seems that the search for the server ip fails so it switches to the defaukt one set up: 192.168.0.254
06:32
I've modified /usr/share/ltsp/lts_cponfig and it works :)
06:32
ly first ltsp client ;)
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<moldy>
ltsp clients do not run a dhcp client daemon, right? this is a bug, right?
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<polytan>
moldy, the dhcp is before, during boot
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I think it is simply the search of the server ip wich fails
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I come back
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<moldy>
polytan: but dhcp leases must be renewed!
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<moldy>
you cannot simply assume that you can have the ip forever.
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<polytan>
yes
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that's why I would like to know where is the problem
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<moldy>
polytan: so, it's a bug, right?
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<moldy>
polytan: the problem is that my clients do not renew their dhcp leases
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<polytan>
moldy, ok
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<moldy>
polytan: i am currently trying to figure out wether that is true for a default ltsp client, or wether i messed up something
06:44
<polytan>
moldy, on mine, it the search of the master ip which fails
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<moldy>
but i think it is normal
06:44
polytan: i see. different problem than mine.
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<polytan>
and I also can't choose neither the keyboard layout in ltsp nor the session (gnome, xfce4, etc)
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<polytan>
xfce4 : +100Mo ram/client
06:45
gnome : +200Mo ram/client
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<jpchemla>
it zorks
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<andys>
hi anybody here??
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<andys>
hi
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<andys>
anybody here
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<andys>
seems nobody is in a talking mode
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<polytan>
I have a few interesting things with xfce on ltsp clients ;) :
08:09
"shutdown" switch off...the server
08:09
when I plug a usbkey in the server all the client have it appearing on the screen
08:09
when I plug a usbkey in the client, nothing happens
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<Guevara>
hi everybody
08:25
usb plug when the server appears in all terminals, as block?
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<Guevara>
hi johnny
08:27
i need some help here. =/
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artista-frustrad: ola
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<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ping
08:35
<alkisg>
nubae: hi, do you know how / if I can rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking to "Bonding" ? There's a drop down box with "Rename" inside it, but it's not enabled for me...
08:36
<Guevara>
usb plug when the server appears in all terminals, as block?
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<Guevara>
usb plug when the server appears in all terminals, as block?
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<nubae>
alkisg: I believe u should be able to
08:44
<alkisg>
nubae: I've just read that I have to contact someone from the wiki team... :(
08:44
Are you or Lns on that team?
08:45
<nubae>
hmmm strange...
08:45
<alkisg>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide/DeletingAndRenaming
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<Guevara>
anybody can helpme? =/
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<nubae>
Guevara: Î'm not sure what your question is exactly
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<rjune>
Guevara, it's a known problem, there is a known fix.
08:48
<Guevara>
hi nubae, i install ubuntu 8.04 and have 20 machines clients, i plugged usb in the server and appears in the 20 machines
08:49
<nubae>
ah that, yeah, as rjune said :-)
08:49
<rjune>
nubae, when he plugs a USB thumbdrive into a terminal, it shows up on all terminals
08:49
<Guevara>
rjune, how to fix?
08:49
<rjune>
I don't knowl
08:49
<Guevara>
=/
08:49
<rjune>
wait around for about anhour, and the folks that do know will be here.
08:49
<nubae>
what distro?
08:49* Gadi thinks it only happens if all users have same default group
08:49
<rjune>
in the meantime, have you looked at the ltsp wiki for info?
08:49
<Guevara>
ubuntu 8.04
08:49
<nubae>
right
08:49
u need each user in its own group
08:49
<Guevara>
i have this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP
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<Gadi>
quick fix: each user should have a unique fdefault group
08:50
*default
08:50
<Guevara>
yes, each client is in the own group
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<nubae>
hmmm
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<rjune>
Guevara, test that, put each user inhta user(do one to test first)
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<Gadi>
Guevara: if you are logged into a thin client right now, open a terminal, type "id" and paste the output here
08:51
<Guevara>
Gadi: i not in the scholl, i stay in home, but go for here
08:51
<polytan>
I think it is a normal behaviour
08:52
<nubae>
alkisg: u can't edit the main UbuntuLTSP page?
08:52
<polytan>
because all users are on the same desktop
08:52
<nubae>
it might be fixed in Intrepid
08:52
<alkisg>
nubae: I don't know, but still, it won't change the subpage URL, will it?
08:53
<Guevara>
the monitor that took account of the laboratory can not use usb cd and not on the server
08:53
<alkisg>
nubae, I can change it, but the trunking subpage isn't even in there... :)
08:54
anyway... ty!
08:54
<Gadi>
Guevara: if you are plugging it into the server directly, then yes, it will appear for all users
08:54
if you plug into a thin client, it should only appear for that user
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<Gadi>
if you do not want server-devices to appear on people's desktops, you should modify gconf to not make volumes visible
08:55
<Guevara>
yes Gadi, but is not possible to modify it?
08:55
humm
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<nubae>
Guevara: yes edit the udev rules
08:56
<Guevara>
but it also will not appear on the server, correct?
08:56
nubae: gconf or udev?
08:56
<alkisg>
Gadi: "you should modify gconf to not make volumes visible" - some more info on that?
08:56
<Gadi>
sudo gconf-editor
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apps > nautilus > desktop
08:57
uncheck volumes_visible
08:57
<Guevara>
yes Gadi, but it also will not appear on the server, correct?
08:57
<alkisg>
Gadi: ty!
08:57
<Gadi>
right click on it and "Set as Mandatory"
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<Guevara>
right
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<Gadi>
then, you won't get icons on the desktops for volumes
08:58
<Guevara>
for alll?
08:58
<Gadi>
hmm...
08:58
not sure if it affects our LTSP volumes or not
08:58
<alkisg>
Gadi: ok, I can put a "default=unchecked" for all the users except the teacher there...
08:58
<Gadi>
many things have changed since I last did this trick
08:58
<Guevara>
and if you plug usb, will show his?
08:59
<Gadi>
but, try it
08:59
if you just run gconf-editor (no sudo) you will change just your user
08:59
so, you can change it for yourself
08:59
logout/login
08:59
and see what happens
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<Guevara>
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/GnomeOptimize
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<petre>
morning all
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<petre>
how do I enable port forwarding on the ltsp server so that fat clients on the TC segment can connect to the internet?
09:02
As I recall it's just a matter of turning on something in the kernel
09:02
<Gadi>
echo 1 >/proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward
09:02
<petre>
Gadi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
09:03
<Gadi>
edit /etc/sysctl.conf (to make that permanent)
09:03
iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -j MASQUERADE
09:03
iptables-save
09:03
(all as root)
09:03
:)
09:03
or some such
09:04
morning, petre
09:04
<Guevara>
the clients are plugged into a switch, the cable network must be crossover or may be normal?
09:05
<petre>
yes, switch
09:05
hmm,
09:05
<Gadi>
cable network?
09:05
<petre>
dns not working on fat client
09:05
<Guevara>
yes
09:05
<Gadi>
use regular cables when plugging into a switch
09:05
<Guevara>
crossover or normal?
09:05
<nubae>
petre: feed dns via dhcp maybe
09:06
<Gadi>
(otherwise home routers would suck)
09:06
<petre>
server is laptop w/wireless & wired port
09:06
wireless is connected to internet (that's how I'm connected to #ltsp)
09:06
<Gadi>
petre: did you specify dns in dhcpd.conf?
09:06
option domain-name-servers
09:06
<Guevara>
yes, but I suspect that the usb is not mounted on clients because of that gadi
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09:07
<petre>
and FC has server as its DNS server
09:07
<Guevara>
i put in lts.conf, module_1: ehci-usb, module_2: ohci-usb
09:07
local-storage: yes
09:08
<petre>
so server ought to just forward the request to internet
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09:11
<Gadi>
petre: log into the client's shell
09:11
and do some pinging
09:11
also, check route -n on the client
09:12
and see that it is setup with the server as the gateway
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<petre>
yeah, it's a dns issue
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<petre>
if I wget an ip addy, it works
09:13
but if I wget the dns name, it fails
09:14
<Gadi>
do you set domain-name-servers in dhcpd.conf?
09:14
oh- try the DNS_SERVER param in lts.conf
09:14* Gadi wonders if we ported that to 5
09:14
<petre>
well, the client is being told that the server is the dns server
09:15
which is correct, isn't it?
09:16
dhcpd.conf has domain-name-servers set to the server's addy
09:16
as expected
09:17
warren, is k12linux using dnsmasq?
09:17
hmm, no named running on server
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<petre>
ah, got it!
09:18
dnsmasq was not turn on
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09:25
<warren>
petre: I'm not sure of a safe way to provide it by default
09:25
petre: we should probably document it
09:27
<petre>
what's unsafe about having it on by default?
09:29
<pscheie>
warren, or are you referring to the port forwarding as well, not just dnsmasq?
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<warren>
pscheie: oh, yeah.
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<pscheie>
warren, that was an either/or question ;-)
09:30
<Guevara>
thanks =)
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09:31* Gadi notes that there are many ways to do NAT, with the simple MASQUERADE being the most brainless (but not necessaruly the recommended)
09:32* warren likes brainless
09:32
<Gadi>
++
09:32
<Q-FUNK>
bimbo++
09:32
<warren>
why is it not recommended?
09:32
<Gadi>
well, many tutorials advocate SNAT and DNAT and crap
09:33
I dont know that its wrong to MASQUERADE, I think it is just indiscriminate
09:33
<warren>
indiscriminate in that it works for everyone, while SNAT and DNAT work only when you tell it?
09:34
<Gadi>
no indiscriminate in that you cannot specify who why when how and to where and to what you are masquerading
09:34
you are just masquerading
09:34
with SNAT and DNAT you can masquerade conditionally
09:34
<pscheie>
I haven't tried localapps yet, but wouldn't they require nat/masquerade/dns on the server?
09:34
<Gadi>
no
09:35
local apps sends signals over existing connections
09:35
(ssh and X11)
09:36
<pscheie>
right, but what does, say, firefox think the addy of the dns server is?
09:36
that of the ltsp server? or the dns server listed in the ltsp server's resolv.conf?
09:37
<Gadi>
oh - if it runs on the client, it uses the client's resolv.conf
09:37
<pscheie>
which is just a copy of the server's resolv.conf?
09:37
<Gadi>
perhaps - if that is in the ltsp-build-plugin
09:38
<pscheie>
or is it going to use the dns server setting given out by dhcpd?
09:38
<Gadi>
but, if DNS_SERVER is still honored, that can overwrite it
09:38
oh, by dhcp
09:38
I think
09:38
prolly depends on the distro
09:38
<pscheie>
in k12linux's case, anyway, dhcp says the ltsp server is dns server
09:38
<Gadi>
for example, warren - is resolv.conf writable for you?
09:39
<warren>
Gadi: it can be.
09:39
<Gadi>
is it already?
09:39* warren looks
09:40
<Gadi>
if it is not, then k12linux uses the dns info that wasa inserted when you ran ltsp-build-client
09:40
<warren>
yes
09:40
<Gadi>
ah
09:40
then it may be updated by the dhcp client
09:40
or by DNS_SERVER
09:40
warren: do you remember if we still honor DNS_SERVER in lts.conf?
09:41
<warren>
I've never heard of it before.
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09:41* Gadi thinks we need that because dhcp client runs in initramfs
09:41
<Gadi>
so it would not update resolv.conf
09:42
so, DNS_SERVER in lts.conf would make sure resolv.conf is written to
09:42
<pscheie>
Gadi, client's resolv.conf, right?
09:42
<Gadi>
that was in LTSP4 - dont know if the code was ported
09:42
pscheie: yup
09:43
<warren>
Gadi: I might eventually get to merging GX1 into the geode driver. I have GX1 hardware but no GX2.
09:43
<Gadi>
roger, that
09:43
gx2 is already in the driver
09:44
<warren>
I know
09:44
but we need it to detect GX1 vs GX2 or upstream wont let us autodetect GX2
09:45
<Gadi>
right
09:45
is that more than just adding GX1 code + IDs?
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<warren>
yes
09:45
because the ID's of GX1 are the same as GX2
09:46
<Gadi>
ah
09:46
so what can we key off of?
09:46
<warren>
Gadi: there is something hidden queryable in the hardware that is different between the two
09:46
<Q-FUNK>
Gadi: the old nsc driver has some of the info
09:46
<Gadi>
ah, ok
09:46
well, if you need me to tell you what the GX2 reports, lemme know
09:47
I can ask it as many questions as you like
09:47
he's slow \but ur slower ;)
09:47
lol
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<Gadi>
sorry - couldnt resist
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09:58
<sbalneav>
Morning all
10:00
<Gadi>
!s
10:00
<ltspbot`>
Gadi: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
10:01
<Q-FUNK>
anyhow, geode 2.11.0 released this morning.
10:01
pending upload to debian/ubuntu
10:02
probably the last release ever, now that CosmicPenguin is no longer at AMD and that most OLPC contributors have moved on.
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10:05
<johnny>
polytan, i made an ebuild for ldminfo .. :(
10:05
and you went through all that hassle
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10:10
<_UsUrPeR_>
ok, "rpm-qa --list" shows when packages were installed. Is there a way to see when packages were uninstalled?
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10:11
<polytan>
johnny, yes
10:11
<_UsUrPeR_>
err rpm -qa --list even
10:11
<polytan>
I said to you but you weren't here
10:11
:(
10:11
my nodes are working
10:12
<johnny>
no.. i made the ebuild yesterday
10:12
<polytan>
nearly well
10:12
<johnny>
right when i said i would
10:12
and tested, and committed
10:12
<polytan>
I was at home and I needed to sleep :)
10:12
<johnny>
you just had to layman -s ltsp
10:12
<polytan>
ok
10:12
maybe it will help me actually
10:14
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: could you point me towards the package pertaining to ltsp-localapps...
10:14
<johnny>
polytan, i'm redoing it all anyways
10:14
which i mentioned last night
10:15
i'm going to use a newer stage3
10:15
from daniel robbins
10:15
which means the updates will be quicker
10:15
<chrisinajar>
has anyone ever had problems with ltspfs randomly breaking?
10:15
<johnny>
not me.
10:16
<chrisinajar>
it seems to disconnect, and you get the transport endpoint not connected error, umount and remount it and everything works fine again
10:16
though sometimes the local ltspfs daemon stops working, and you need to restart it..
10:16
<johnny>
i only got transport endpoint not connected via gvfs :)
10:16* johnny kicks it
10:16
<chrisinajar>
it's a pretty rare occurance, and definitely only happens when the user is logged in for along time (days)
10:17
<johnny>
aha
10:17
that is possible
10:17
i guess
10:18
i've never had anybody logged in that long
10:18
good to know
10:18
i bet it is a real live bug
10:18
maybe some fuse timeout thing
10:18
<chrisinajar>
no, it's totally unreliable...
10:18
<johnny>
oh
10:18
<chrisinajar>
sometimes it works for weeks, sometimes it breaks after 3 or 4 days...
10:18
it breaks really rarely too, which makes things worse...
10:18
<johnny>
ouch
10:19
<chrisinajar>
i hate bugs like that...
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<johnny>
polytan, i've been having problems where udev is not upgraded like it should be and openrc is not installed
10:21
<polytan>
re
10:21
<johnny>
thus causing things not to work
10:21
<polytan>
sorry, I was working with my boss
10:21
<johnny>
out of the box
10:22
<polytan>
(I read your sentences)
10:22
<johnny>
thus newer stage3 are important
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10:22
<polytan>
johnny, so
10:22
I solved the problem of ldminfo (I think) because I did "emerge gdm" on the node
10:23
<johnny>
no!
10:23
<polytan>
I wanted to do xdmcp
10:23
<johnny>
that is not ltsp anymore
10:23
oh.. then why are you using ltsp?
10:23
<polytan>
I know
10:23
<johnny>
you won't get sound
10:23
or local devices
10:23
<polytan>
I know
10:23
I wanted to try a few things
10:23
and it was the only way I had to choose a specific session per user
10:23
anyway
10:24
<johnny>
the new ldm is supposed to let you do that
10:24
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: it is installed as part of ltsp-client and ltsp-server
10:24
<johnny>
it also saves it
10:24
<polytan>
emerge gdm installed X11 depedencies which were (I think) necessary to ldm
10:24
<johnny>
polytan, that just means the installation didn't finish correctly
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<johnny>
probably due to the issues i mentioned
10:24
<polytan>
yes
10:24
maybe
10:24
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: you put the whitelist changes upstream?
10:25
<warren>
_UsUrPeR_: no
10:25
I suppose I can work more on that right now
10:25
<polytan>
the only choice I have in the "choose your session" in ldm are "default" and "xterm"
10:25
<warren>
I have two semi-working implementations that upstream must choose from
10:25
<johnny>
i would love to have on an online hackfest with you guys in relation to dbus
10:25
see if we can work out the issues
10:26
<polytan>
johnny, if you want me to compile things I can
10:26
<johnny>
i'm gonna want you to redo the chroot again
10:26
<_UsUrPeR_>
warren: ok, thanks
10:26
<johnny>
as soon as i run another test with the new stage3
10:26
<polytan>
johnny, ok
10:26
johnny, I also would like to to explain me how to active usb in local machine
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10:27
<polytan>
johnny, last things : I finish my day in half an hour...
10:28
<johnny>
polytan, it should just work when you have everything installed :)
10:28
<polytan>
yes
10:28
hum
10:28
remember the genkernel stuff ;)
10:28
<johnny>
not a problem i can fix
10:28
or have time to fix yet even
10:28
new genkernels are coming out tho
10:28
<polytan>
I had a problem with make.conf config
10:29
when you do the chroot, it goes to /usr/portage/packages/x86 (which is perfect)
10:29
and after, there is nothing specified anymore, so it goes to /usr/packages/
10:29
and if the server is amd64 and the clients x86...
10:30
I would prefer to have everything in x86's folder
10:30
<chupacabra>
http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/08/12/10/001236.shtml
10:30
<johnny>
you need to log into the chroot with linux32
10:30
linux32 chroot /opt/ltsp/x86
10:30
i run a script that does it
10:31
<chupacabra>
heya johnny
10:31
<johnny>
hello
10:32
<polytan>
johnny, there was also a problem in "SERVER" ip discovering
10:32
I had to specify it manually in /usr/share/ltsp/ltsp-config
10:32
<johnny>
you might not have setup the netboot right
10:33
what did your pxelinux.cfg/default look like
10:33
it should look like so
10:33
DEFAULT bzImage ro initrd=initramfs root=/dev/ram0 real_root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.2.4:/opt/ltsp/x86
10:35
<polytan>
I just not have the ro option
10:35
APPEND initrd=initrd root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=192.168.32.254:/netboot/pxeclients/x86 ip=dhcp
10:36
which is quite the same
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10:38
<polytan>
johnny, the libsmp seems to be missing alos
10:38
also
10:38
<johnny>
libsmp ??
10:38
why would we need that?
10:38
<polytan>
module-x11-xsmp
10:38
<johnny>
you
10:39
that's not an error i bet
10:39
just some pulse nonsense
10:39
<polytan>
and when I logout a client, the screen is always blinking and ldm not responding anymore :(
10:41
johnny, I'm emerging ltsp-client on the node and that installs other programs :/
10:41
shouldn't
10:41
<johnny>
that's the problme i've been talking about
10:41
<polytan>
yes
10:41
<johnny>
so wait til i fix it :)
10:41
<polytan>
xprop
10:42
do you know that ?
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10:43
<johnny>
that it wants to install xprop?
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<johnny>
yes, it should want to install it.. but it should install it as part of the install
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10:45
<johnny>
which is all related to the install failing due to lack of proper udev
10:45
<polytan>
I manually switched to openrc this morning
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<polytan>
in the [default] section of /etc/lts.conf, I have CONSOLE_KEYMAPS=fr (for exemple)
10:46
and that does nothing
10:47
I believe that's it is the same for XKBLAYOUT and LOCALDEV
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<polytan>
in the [default] section of /etc/lts.conf, I have CONSOLE_KEYMAPS=fr (for exemple)
10:57
and that does nothing
10:57
I believe that's it is the same for XKBLAYOUT and LOCALDEV
10:57
<johnny>
oops
10:57
<polytan>
if there is a xorg.conf, ldm will use it ?
10:57
<johnny>
no
10:58
i don't know if custom X_CONF works
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<johnny>
as far as CONSOLE_KEYMAPS that should do something
10:58
polytan, please hold your bug reports until you do an install where everything is already installed
10:58
<polytan>
ok
10:59
I will have to leave in a moment
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10:59
<polytan>
but I will be able to speak when I will be at home from IRC
11:00
I will also work on that tomorrow morning, around 9am (2am for you :) )
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<polytan>
maybe that I have a nfs synchronization pb
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<polytan>
it doesn't boot anymore and I don't know why...
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<elwarreno>
gadi: how the hell are ya?
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<d3co>
hi, I need a ltsp server, a try with lenny
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<d3co>
!ltsp
11:38
<ltspbot`>
d3co: "ltsp" is LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, the open source thin client solution. You can find it at http://www.ltsp.org
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<johnny>
d3co, try asking a question
11:44
<d3co>
well i try ltsp with lenny but not set all the files!
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<johnny>
huh?
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11:46
<d3co>
i wanna change to ubuntu
11:46
edubuntu what do you say?
11:46
<johnny>
huh?
11:46
if you wanna change to ubuntu, then install ubuntu :)
11:47
edubuntu doesn't exist anymore exactly.. it is ubuntu education addition
11:47
edition*
11:47
<stgraber>
Gadi: any reason in your branch to run my virtual script in all cases ? AFAIK it's only required for intel, that's why I added the hal test
11:47
<johnny>
the ubuntu alternative installer includes an ltsp server option
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<d3co>
johnny: how I get the ubuntu alternative instaler, is the same ubuntu?
11:49
<johnny>
it is a download option
11:49
to get the ubuntu alternative cd
11:49
you can of course.. install ltsp without that
11:49
just install ltsp-server-standalone
11:49
on any ubuntu
11:51
<nubae>
johnny: name changed back to edubuntu now
11:51
=)
11:51
<johnny>
huh?
11:51
why?
11:51
that doesn't make sense..
11:51
<d3co>
Of course, I did this install ltsp-server-standalone with Debian but it would be good to download the ubuntu alternative too!
11:52
<nubae>
I think it makes more sense than ubuntu education edition
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<Lns>
nubae: hey! I had a question for you last night, but now i forgot :(
11:52
OH!
11:52
<nubae>
yeah everyone agreed it was confusing
11:52
so we went back to edubuntu
11:53
<Lns>
nubae: the IRC log archive is kinda messed up, take a looksie if you haven't..the month / day tags show "MSG000x" and such
11:53
<nubae>
I know... I've been meaning to look into that
11:53
<Lns>
oh ok =)
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<nubae>
I don't know what happened, but its due to changing isps
11:53
<Lns>
weird!
11:53
<nubae>
yeah, it can't find the language files, even though they are clearly there
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<Lns>
dns?
11:55
if you just changed ISPs...or probably a hardcoded html tag or something..i dunno. =p
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<alkisg>
Lns, hi, do you have the necessary rights (=editor group) to rename https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking to "Bonding"?
11:57
<Lns>
alkisg: Not that I know of..i can try though
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<alkisg>
Give a try, please... :)
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<Lns>
alkisg: doesn't look like it, it doesn't select when i mouse over it
11:59* Lns wants Editor group access to the wiki =)
11:59
<alkisg>
Lns, ok, let's leave it to "Trunking" then! :P :D
12:00
ty!
12:00
<Lns>
alkisg: np. I'm hoping to find a good chunk of time to set aside and revamp the rest of the pages (standard header/format the index to better display specific versions the page applies to, etc)
12:02
<alkisg>
Lns, I think it would be better if the versions were part of the url... e.g. /8.10/community/UbuntuLTSP, /8.04/community/UbuntuLTSP...
12:03
<Lns>
alkisg: I agree, but how to have a page that applies to multiple versions?
12:03
<alkisg>
.Lns, url rewriting can work wonders! :)
12:03
<Lns>
unless you can sort of symlink ...hmm, rewriting?
12:04
<alkisg>
Lns, yeah, but someone has to have server access.. it would be a very simple script, though
12:04
<Lns>
alkisg: is it something as part of a feature of the wiki software, or a hackish type script?
12:04
are you talking about apache url rewriting?
12:05
<nubae>
alkisg: unfortunately we don't
12:05
<alkisg>
Lns, I don't know about moinmoin, but other CMSs do support url rewriting
12:05
<nubae>
only ubuntu server team has access
12:05
and they willl never go for that
12:05
<alkisg>
nubae, sure, it would have to be for the whole ubuntu community, not just for LTSP...
12:06
<Lns>
So we need to figure out something to better tag the pages for versions.
12:06
<nubae>
well propose it to ubuntu server team then, u never know, they might agree
12:06
<Lns>
I think maybe a (8.04, 8.10) type tag at the end of the link would work pretty well
12:08
Or possibly a new index that simply asks you what version you want to work with, and then has pages under that, that link to the actual relevant pages
12:08
that's more editing, though, than the tag option
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<alkisg>
Lns, what's the problem with the current scheme? I.e. "This wiki page is specific to Ubuntu Version(s): 8.04, 8.10" ?
12:16
<Lns>
alkisg: the only thing is that it doesn't show on the main page what version it's intended for
12:16
I guess it's semi-moot, but it'd be nice to have them categorized / tagged somehow
12:16
<alkisg>
Lns, ehm... you'd need a script for that!
12:17
<Lns>
alkisg: ?
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<alkisg>
E.g. I make a page for 8.10, you mark it as such on the index, later I decide to extend it for 8.04, well, it'll be a burden
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<alkisg>
So a wget script for all the subpages, and then searching for the tags and automatically reconstructing the main page
12:19
<Lns>
alkisg: that's more pain (for me anyway) than it'd be worth to just go through the pages
12:19
The first task is to actually figure OUT which pages are intended for what versions
12:19
A lot of them don't say, and it'd be real hard for me to verify them all on my own :(
12:21
<alkisg>
Yeap... well, if there were different pages for each ubuntu version, and the author had to duplicate & maybe extend the pages for newer versions, maybe it would be easier for maintainance...
12:21
<Lns>
I'd be all for simply extending the pages and not creating duplicates for the same task actually
12:22
case = multiple versions, simply have an anchor link at the top of the page for whatever version
12:23
That would remove the necessity for tagging the main page then too
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<alkisg>
Lns, what about wiki categories? E.g. "Category UbuntuLTSP 8.04", "Category UbuntuLTSP 8.10" and so on? This way there would be a different index for each version, and it would be autogenerated...
12:48
(Can a page belong in more that one categories?)
12:49
<Lns>
alkisg: I haven't looked into categories..might be worth looking into, but again, yeah.. belonging to multiple categories, not sure
12:50
<alkisg>
Lns: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
12:50
Multiple categories
12:50
So, you could define these categories: (1) Ubuntu 8.04, (2) Ubuntu 8.10 (and so on, for all versions), and (3) LTSP.
12:51
So, Trunking would go under Ubuntu 8.04, Ubuntu 8.10 AND LTSP. In 3 categories. Wouldn't that be better organization?
12:52
...and it would be very easy to automatically generate index for 8.04 + LTSP, 8.10 +LTSP...
12:52
<Lns>
alkisg: sounds like a good idea..
12:54
<alkisg>
Lns, if you even need any wget / scripting help, ping me! :)
12:55
<Lns>
alkisg: I will, thanks =) I need to read up on categories - not sure how they work currently.
12:56
<alkisg>
Lns, simple, I just put trunking to 2 categories (documentation and networking), and now it automatically shows in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryDocumentation and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryNetworking
12:56
<Lns>
alkisg: yeah, i'm looking at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCategory right now, looks promising
12:57
Doesn't look like "UbuntuLTSP" is an actual category
12:57
<alkisg>
Wow... macros!! :)
12:59
No, but you could define one. You'd loose all of your comments / formatting, though
12:59
<CAN-o-SPAM>
ogra: ping
13:00
<Lns>
alkisg: What do you mean lose comments/formatting? Why would that happen?
13:00
<alkisg>
I mean that the list would be autogenerated, not manually edited along with comments for each page...
13:00
E.g. try to edit CategoryNetworking, you'll see this:
13:00
= List of pages in CategoryNetworking =
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<<FullSearch(category:CategoryNetworking)>>
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That's a list of all the networking pages, but without comments, like you do with UbuntuLTSP
13:02
<polytan>
johnny, what do you want me to do tomorrow ?
13:03
<johnny>
probably do a fresh install of the chroot
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<Lns>
alkisg: ahh, gotcha.
13:03
<johnny>
using a new stage3
13:04
i'm not sure how it will become available yet.. you might have to manually download it
13:04
<Lns>
alkisg: Yeah, the main page should probably stay the same.. maybe have the category stuff in parallel since it's autogenerated?
13:05
of course that's duplicating.. hmm.
13:05
<alkisg>
Lns, maybe... I think we need a little more thinking! :)
13:05
<Lns>
yeah
13:05
<alkisg>
Searching is not a problem, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HelpOnSearching
13:05
Allows searching for example for LTSP + (networking or administration)
13:06
And generating a main page (or as many main pages as you like) with a script is no problem either
13:06
The problem would be with the very nice comments you have in the main page...
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<Lns>
Right - but that'd be pretty ugly imho too
13:07
with no images/nice formatting
13:08
<alkisg>
Lns, you can leave the top image + the intro intact
13:08
I'm talking about automatically generating the UbuntuLTSP page
13:08
So, I think I have an idea
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<alkisg>
Take for example UbuntuLTSP/mypage
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mypage belongs to these categories: categoryltsp, categoryubuntu8.10, and 8.04
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So, a wget script can visit 5-6 pages (all the ubuntu versions + the ltsp one) and see which ltsp pages are specific to which versions
13:10
Then it can automatically generate the UbuntuLTSP page, with the top image and the intro AND with a nice table with rows = pages and columns = ubuntu versions
13:11
That leaves your nice comments out. *These* should be inside the pages, on the first line, so the script could automatically retrieve them
13:11
...or you could have the comments in a text file on your hard disk
13:12
as a way to specify which pages you think are good enough for UbuntuLTSP and which ones are to be left in CategoryLTSP
13:12
.
13:13
<Lns>
hrm...well all that is a bit beyond me =)
13:13
My main concern is this:
13:13
<alkisg>
Well, I can make the script, you just tell the people to use categories instead of "specific to 8.04 and 8.10"
13:14
<Lns>
When people actually navigate to the "main" page for help, they should be able to find exactly what they're looking for, without having to decipher any cryptic link names
13:14
<alkisg>
Well, UbuntuLTSP won't be cryptic at all, it'll be the same as it is now
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<alkisg>
OK, let's get this one by one
13:15
<Lns>
alkisg: ok i got that
13:15
<alkisg>
Don't you think it's easier to use categories for marking a page as specific to 8.04 and 8.10, instead of writing it to a line or a tag?
13:16
<Lns>
alkisg: No, because I just cut/paste it. :)
13:16
I'm not aware of the FULL capabilities/benefits of categories (yet)
13:16
<alkisg>
Lns, yeah, but what if *I* make a page and I don't paste it that well?
13:17
<Lns>
alkisg: well that'd be the same as not putting it in the correct category, right?
13:17
<alkisg>
And there's also the added benefit that with CategoryLTSP the users would see *all* ltsp related documentation
13:17
Lns, no, because selecting from a list is less error-prone than writing a tag :)
13:18
<Lns>
alkisg: i'm going to need to look more into it - if there's a way you can demonstrate this without affecting the way the current wiki works, please do
13:18
<alkisg>
I
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<Lns>
I just need to learn more in general about how it all works, as none of this stuff was set up initially, and all i've done is clean up the pages so far
13:19
<alkisg>
ok, let me think about how I can demonstrate this
13:19
Do you have any special permissions? E.g., can you create an Ubuntu 6.06 category?
13:20
There's a CategoryUbuntu804, but not for the other versions...
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<Lns>
alkisg: AFAIK I have no special perms other than what a normal user could edit/change/add
13:22
<alkisg>
See some search samples here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryUbuntu804
13:22
By category, by title etc
13:22
<Lns>
oo, i like the yellow tag at the top =)
13:22
<polytan>
re
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<polytan>
johnny, You uploader your work in the ltsp overlay ?
13:23
did you upload your work on the ltsp overlay ?
13:23
<johnny>
no.. i'm waiting for a url that stays constant
13:23
one that always points to the newest stage3
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<alkisg>
Lns, this is a template: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Software/804Template
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<johnny>
plus i'm testing the chroot so it works out of the box (minus pxelinux.cfg/default and genkernel)
13:25
<Lns>
alkisg: I'm all for being able to find everything through searching
13:26
<johnny>
i have about 200 more packages.. i'll let you know
13:26
<Lns>
alkisg: And like i said, if it doesn't affect the current pages, i'm all for it
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<alkisg>
Lns, lets see if we can create CategoryUbuntu710
13:26
<polytan>
johnny, perfect :)
13:27
I had pb with usb too
13:27
and keymap
13:27
<johnny>
the usb thing should work automatically
13:27
keymap tho.. i'm not sure how to solve it
13:27
as i'm not all that familiar with the issues
13:28
the usb thing will work, if everything is installed correctly
13:28
but i will verify once this is all installed
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<alkisg>
Lns, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryUbuntu810 - and then click on CategoryTemplate
13:29
We need one of those for each ubuntu version
13:30
(we may also paste from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryUbuntu804)
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<Lns>
It looks like categories are very much underutilized
13:33
<alkisg>
Lns, yeap... do you think there'll be a problem if they're used in UbuntuLTSP/* ?
13:33
I think CategoryDocumentatino is the one most used
13:34
<Lns>
alkisg: I'm just wondering if it'd be worth it, really.. I dont' see a problem, though, in doing it.. I just don't know how much good it will do overall, since people will probably still be going to the main page
13:35
<alkisg>
It'll make it easier for you, maintaining the main page?
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<alkisg>
Actually, the only difference is "adding to 3 categories" instead of "tagging for LTSP and 2 ubuntu versions"
13:36
So I don't think there is a problem, even if it's not used
13:36
Both of them = 2 lines copy/paste
13:36
<Lns>
Personally I don't see a problem with the way it's handled right now, and if categories aren't a popular way to find content on the wiki, it'd probably be a waste
13:37
<alkisg>
Lns, ok by me... :)
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<Lns>
Since you can do searches for titles/text/whatever else as well
13:37
I do like that little yellow tag though ;)
13:38
<alkisg>
Lns, how can you search for all the pages specific to Ubuntu 8.04 and LTSP right now?
13:38
<Lns>
I don't
13:38
I go to the main UbuntuLTSP page
13:38
and it's hit/miss, like everyone else i'm sure
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<alkisg>
But you can't see that info from the UbuntuLTSP page
13:39
<Lns>
correct
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<alkisg>
That's what the script would do, it would cross reference the pages and build you a better UbuntuLTSP page
13:40
Anyway... :)
13:40
<Lns>
I don't mean to dismiss any ideas like categories, especially since i know so little about how they work.. but my personal stance right now is that if a page is good enough to get into UbuntuLTSP main page as a HOWTO/other, it's very minimal to format it like the others
13:40
and finding the versions on the main page would be simple enough through normal tags/whatever that doesn't involve something complex
13:40
of course complex to me is trivial to most others ;)
13:41
i do see the benefit of categories though, and it'd be easy to link to them on the main ubuntultsp page too
13:41
<alkisg>
Lns, I think I scared you with the script... :D :P
13:42
<Lns>
No, I could probably whip up a script too (i've done that to create a TB signature based off my latest blog titles) but it seems that if we "go away" for whatever reason, it's going to die off and nobody will know how to maintain it
13:42* alkisg would like to have a server supporting python, to personally use moinmoin... :(
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<alkisg>
Lns, I see many pages that belong to multiple categories, e.g. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Device/F5D7000 or https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/ChillispotHotspot/8.04
13:48
The latter one is the "demonstration" you were asking...
13:49
<Lns>
alkisg: OH, I see...it tags the category at the bottom. :p~~ ~
13:49
<alkisg>
...which actually is putting a page in 3 categories :)
13:49
<Lns>
that's useful too =)
13:49
<alkisg>
And if you see the code, it's as simple as pasting "This page is specific to these ubuntu versions..."
13:50
<Lns>
alkisg: agreed.
13:50
alkisg: oh, you have to manually put it in there. I thought the fact that it's in a certain category would autogenerate that footer
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<Lns>
Of course, creating an "UbuntuLTSP" template would be a good idea to get all the bits in there that we want
13:51
<alkisg>
Lns, no, it's the other way around. You manually put it and *then* it belongs to a category!
13:51
<Lns>
alkisg: ooooooh =)
13:51
so that's how you actually assign a page to a category... *lightbulb*
13:52
<alkisg>
So, ----
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CategoryUbuntu804 CategoryUbuntu810 CategoryLTSP
13:52
would be what you needed to paste
13:52
<Lns>
alkisg: easy enough!
13:52
<alkisg>
Lns, and you'd automatically have the CategoryLTSP, CategoryUbuntu804 and CategoryUbuntu804 index pages
13:53
Without doing anything different from what you already do.
13:53
<Lns>
alkisg: right. But we'd want to create "CategoryUbuntuLTSP8xx" right?
13:54
not "CategoryUbuntu8xx"
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<alkisg>
Yeap, that won't take more than 5 minutes..
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(for all of them)
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<Lns>
now i just want that cool yellow tag. :p
13:54
<alkisg>
Heh...
13:54
Maybe a pink one for LTSP? :P :D
13:55
<Lns>
Because for ppl who nav. through the main page, they need to know first off what version it's for..looking at the footer won't be good enough i think
13:55
I'd opt for green myself =)
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<alkisg>
Then you need this on the header: <<Include(Software/804Template)>>
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<alkisg>
But it'll be more trouble... You could also put the categories on top, I think
13:57
Lns, but the best think would be to have a script helping you with the UbuntuLTSP page!!! :D :D :D - ok, that's enough for today, I think!
13:58
<Lns>
alkisg: yeah..well let me get these categories/tags going, i'll probably create a "template" page too so new pages can be easily added
14:04
alkisg: see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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<alkisg>
Yeap... but it also needs CategoryUbuntu804 at the bottom
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<Lns>
alkisg: gotcha, that makes more sense than a new category "UbuntuLTSP804" I guess
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<alkisg>
Lns, yeah, I believe so
14:06
<Lns>
Lemme see if you can have multiple templates for pages that belong to mult. versions
14:06
<alkisg>
I just added it
14:06
<Lns>
heh, saw that after hitting edit =p
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<Lns>
alkisg: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot
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<alkisg>
Lns, no, it's double work...
14:10
There has to be a better way
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<Lns>
Too bad there's no Checkboxes in Editing a wiki page to simply refer to a specific version(s)
14:12
to add the necessary tags/etc
14:15
A workaround would be to simply have a template page on the main page that refers to all of the possible tags you'd need to correctly format the page you're creating/modifying
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<alkisg>
Yes... or, the tabs on top (6.06, 7.04, 7.10, 8.04 etc) should also be valid for the community documentation
14:16
<Lns>
yeah
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<Lns>
Anyway, i'm OTL, be back in a few hours hopefully
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(not taking a 3 hour lunch, have a job afterwards off-site) ;)
14:17
<alkisg>
Lns, ok man... bye bye!
14:18
<Lns>
alkisg: thanks for everything btw, it's nice to have help improving stuff =)
14:19
<alkisg>
Lns, I hope I can find a better way in the moinmoin help. Talk to you tommorow... :)
14:19
<Lns>
ok
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<warren>
Gadi: sweet, I'm getting a GX2 machine from OLPC
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<stgraber>
warren: good luck :)
14:48
<Gadi>
warren: cool
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14:48
<Gadi>
you know you've made it when your ads are on WPLJ
14:51
<stgraber>
Gadi:
14:52
12:45 < stgraber> Gadi: any reason in your branch to run my virtual script in all cases ? AFAIK it's only required for intel, that's why I added the hal test
14:53
<Gadi>
stgraber: my branch adds the X_VIRTUAL and X_VIRTUAL_AUTO options so it can be specified
14:53
your hack is an example of forcing a default for a particular driver
14:53
which is what I would prefer
14:54
eg, warren was concerned that some drivers would fail with it set
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so, perhaps we don't set it automatically
14:54
<stgraber>
hmm, ok
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<Gadi>
personally, I would prefer X_VIRTUAL_AUTO=True as default
14:55
<warren>
I'll test it
14:55
<Gadi>
and add overrides to make it false for particular broken drivers
14:55
<warren>
but I've seen issues
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<elwarreno>
gadi: whats happening
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<Gadi>
elwarreno: hey (sorry had someone in my office)
15:36
or should I say "hey hey hey"
15:36
<elwarreno>
yeah, i know where i stand in the scheme of things
15:36
<Gadi>
(What's Happening reference)
15:36
<elwarreno>
anyway...
15:36
<Gadi>
:)
15:36
do you remember Whats Happening?
15:36
<elwarreno>
do you have an inventory of those thin clients?
15:36
<Gadi>
the little white guy?
15:37
<elwarreno>
yeah
15:37
or equivalent
15:38* Gadi thinks we may have some - but we don't usually sell them by themselves (ie without our SBA or SBS)
15:38
<Gadi>
DisklessWorkstations is a good place to hit up for thin clients
15:38
<elwarreno>
(on the phone, brb)
15:38
<Gadi>
ok
15:38
<rjune>
sba or sbs?
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<Gadi>
Symbiont Boot Appliance, Symbiont Boot Stick
15:38
:)
15:39
<rjune>
Ahh, your company
15:39
<Gadi>
indeed
15:39
we are a bootie company
15:39
:)
15:39
bootie call!
15:39
sorry
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15:40* Gadi shamefully recalls that this room is logged
15:46
<pscheie>
Gadi's 15 minutes of fame
15:47* stgraber goes blog about it
15:47
<warren>
Gadi: might have better profit margins
15:48* Gadi considers selling warren a $1000 doorstop
15:48* Gadi would make it really shiny
15:48
<Gadi>
and small
15:48
<warren>
shiny? ooh.
15:48
<Gadi>
hehe
15:49
I knew that'd get ya
15:49
<warren>
does it run linux?
15:49
I asked Q-FUNK to sell me a BUTTON for his thincans.
15:49
His company laughed at him.
15:50
<Gadi>
warren: thats funny - I asked Q-FUNK for the same thing
15:50
<warren>
Gadi: did you ask for a power button that actually requires no modification of the existing product?
15:50
Gadi: the button goes between the thincan and the DC-in. The button only cuts off power.
15:51
"The Missing Button" only $5 extra
15:53
<Gadi>
lol
15:53
no
15:53
I simply asked for a button
15:53
like an Easy button
15:53
:)
15:53
<warren>
my button would have been a lot more reasonable to implement
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<Gadi>
stgraber: any other thoughts on that screen-sessiond branch?
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<stgraber>
Gadi: looks good, I'm at UDS so don't have access to the hardware to actually test it but it's the implementation we discussed by mail so it's fine
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<warren>
stgraber: does that mean he should push it?
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<stgraber>
warren: yes, the soonest it's in the better as then people won't start making hack around xorg.conf and then having to write them again using Gadi's functions
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<warren>
Gadi: ok, go ahead and push, i'll then be forced to do my own testing and maybe improvements
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<Gadi>
okey dokey
16:16* Lns looks gleefully at his DW1220PXE bright green power button that turns the unit off AND on
16:19
<Gadi>
how can I ask bzr what my uncommitted changes are?
16:19
<johnny>
bzr status
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and to see em.. bzr diff (with no args)
16:19
<Gadi>
doesnt return anything
16:19
<johnny>
then you have no uncommitted changes :)
16:19
<Gadi>
hmm
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: "bzr missing" will show you changes that haven't been pushed
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<Gadi>
but when I try to: bzr merge ../some-other-branch
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it says the other branch has uncommitted changes
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<vagrantc>
bzr st ../some-other-branch
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<Gadi>
oh, I see
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I just went into someotherbranch
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and did a bzr merge
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because it was a branch of trunk
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now, can I go back to trunk and merge this branch in
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and then commit trunk?
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or will that mess up history somehow?
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<warren>
Gadi: if you want to be 100% sure
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Gadi: in a separate directory, bzr clone ldm-trunk
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cd ldm-trunk
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bzr pull ../ldm-yourbranch
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<vagrantc>
well, i'd rather people merged specific features ...
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<warren>
Gadi: the OLPC people said they dropped GX2 because the CPU itself was buggy
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<vagrantc>
though really, there's probably all sorts of preferences...
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<warren>
Gadi: you haven't had problems there?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: you're trying to merge http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~gideon/ltsp/ltsp-trunk-screensessiond/ into ltsp-trunk ?
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<Gadi>
vagrantc: yes
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warren: no CPU issues
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tho, OLPC uses the CPU differently than most
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:)
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: any uncommitted changes?
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Gadi: last revision i have is 974
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<Gadi>
now that I merged the current ltsp-trunk into ltrsp-trunk-screen-sessiond, I think it needs to be committed
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to have my changes
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right?
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: shouldn't need to merge ltsp-trunk back into your branch
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mostly creates needless diffs.
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<Gadi>
so, should I commit my -screen-sessiond and push that to upstream
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<vagrantc>
no
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<Gadi>
and then pull my golden upstream dir from tehre?
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but I did my work in -screen-sessiond, and then did bzr merge in there
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so now, it should have my work + ltsp-trunk
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(because I had pulled trunk to the newest version)
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<vagrantc>
then you need to re-merge that back into the clean copy of ltsp-trunk.
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<Gadi>
ok
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so, I should go into trunk
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<vagrantc>
instead, just merging your branch into ltsp-trunk would be cleaner
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<Gadi>
and merge ../..-screen-session
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right
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I tried doing that at first
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<vagrantc>
no need to constantly merge ltsp-trunk back into your feature branch
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<Gadi>
but there were uncommitted changes
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<vagrantc>
bzr shelve --all
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<Gadi>
what does that do?
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<vagrantc>
it "shelves" all uncommitted changes
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<Gadi>
ok
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<vagrantc>
you need bzrtools installed to use it
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<Gadi>
ok
16:31
what should I do right now?
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<vagrantc>
or if you don't care about loosing those changes... just bzr revert
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<Gadi>
well, I care about my stuff
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can bzr revert warn me about what its going to do?
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<vagrantc>
i don't see any options for that
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<vagrantc>
Gadi: move aside your current copy of ltsp-trunk, get a new one, and merge into that?
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<vagrantc>
i.e. mv ltsp-trunk ltsp-trunk-tweaked ; bzr get ltsp-trunk-tweaked ltsp-trunk ; cd ltsp-trunk ; bzr merge /path/to/ltsp-trunk-screensessionFOO/
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<Gadi>
oh, wait
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I think I got it
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<vagrantc>
although if you're already merged in ltsp-trunk, i guess you can leave it alone.
16:36* vagrantc risks confusion
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<vagrantc>
ignore that last comment
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<Gadi>
oh, before I commit this, I should modify my scripts to use run_parts instead of find
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<vagrantc>
maybe
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<vagrantc>
you could do it as part of the merge.... in a clean ltsp-trunk: bzr merge $somewhere/ltsp-trunk-screensessionfoo ; $EDITOR client/screen-x-common ; bzr di ... and then "bzr ci", if the changes look good
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<vagrantc>
main thing is ensuring you aren't messing with an unclean ltsp-trunk.
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basically, if you're at all unsure of what you're doing, you should keep a pristine ltsp-trunk that you never edit directly (except by merging other stuff into it).
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<Gadi>
right
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ok
16:43
I just pushed it
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I think I did good
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please check
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:)
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and dont yell
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<vagrantc>
looks good :)
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<stgraber>
vagrantc: I just sent the sync request for ltspfs, should be done soon. (It's actually the first time I use our script to request it so I'm not 100% sure it'll work :))
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: there is one more patch you'll probably want from bzr, but i don't think it'll affect ubuntu since you're using older ltsp-client scripts
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<Gadi>
whew
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<vagrantc>
stgraber: and i'll probably upload a new version soon.
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<stgraber>
well, as long as we don't have any delta for ltspfs it'll be auto-synced from debian until the end of December
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then I can always ask for a manual sync from Debian
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<vagrantc>
ah, cool.
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<stgraber>
ogra_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/306993
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ogra_: can you have a look ? it's what my request-merge generated, it also said that I'm supposed to poke a coredev and unfortunately for you you're one :)
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<ogra_>
can you subscribe ubuntu-archive ? i'll approve it in a comment
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<stgraber>
sure
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<warren>
Ryan52: ooooh
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"User's $HOME/.dmrc file is being ignored. This prevents the default session "
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"and language from being saved. File should be owned by user and have 644 "
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"permissions. User's $HOME directory must be owned by user and not writable "
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"by other users."
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Ryan52: from gdm source code
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Ryan52: probably good to implement this safety feature too?
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<Ryan52>
ya.
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<warren>
Ryan52: use exactly that string in the error message
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Ryan52: i'm finding the save query dialog string now....
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brb, this might crash my laptop
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Ryan52: hah.... the latest gdm no longer asks the user if they want to save. It ALWAYS saves.
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Ryan52: I think perhaps... that's good. We should do this?
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Ryan52: less complicated stuff to translate too
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<Ryan52>
hrm. I guess.
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<warren>
I mean, how useful is it to ask.
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I think, not very useful.
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