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Channel log from 5 January 2011   (all times are UTC)

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<johnny>
Faithful, imo they dont yet exist :)
00:30
perhaps the next generation of android tablets will fit the bill.. and make something like the detachable tablets cheaper
00:30* johnny is assuming you want keyboards
00:31
<johnny>
i've never heard anything really good about some of the ones on the market now, but that's mostly because the applications aren't really optimized for them
00:32
i think it's taking the ipad and android stuff to make it happen
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<gnunux>
hi
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<highvoltage>
moo
08:34
<robehend1>
well hello there
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<robehend1>
if I set gconf settings with one user, will it roll over to all users? users are local to the box, btw
08:46
<alkisg_debian>
If you have users on the chroot and change their settings, they'll affect all terminals, sure
08:46
<robehend1>
what if their on the server?
08:47
<alkisg_debian>
Then just that one user, unless you make them default or mandatory
08:47
<robehend1>
ah, so if I set it to mandatory, it'll go for all users?
08:47
<alkisg_debian>
Right
08:47
<robehend1>
any way to exclude one user from it being mandatory? So I dont, say, lock my account of the terminal ;)
08:48
<alkisg_debian>
sabayon...
08:48
<robehend1>
cant get it to work on this one without crashing and burning
08:48
<alkisg_debian>
Yeah i know the story :(
08:48
<robehend1>
i did try though!
08:49
i'm thinking it might be part of the server being in KVM though. I can run Sabayon, mostly, when i'm local to the machine. if i VNC in though, crash and burn
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09:08
<highvoltage>
hello robehend1
09:09
alkisg_debian: interesting nick change :)
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09:10
<pmatulis>
i'm trying to add a printer on my lucid ltsp server and it prompts for the root user's credentials. i remember seeing this a long time ago (fixed?)
09:11
<alkisg_debian>
highvoltage: my laptop decided that it didn't want to start again after installing natty (black screen, I can't even enter the bios) so I had to use my thin client with a local squeeze installation... :D
09:11
Trying to find out how to reset cmos without seeing anything :D
09:12
<highvoltage>
ouch
09:13
<robehend1>
eww, and with a lappy, no going in to pull the battery
09:14
<alkisg_debian>
I removed the battery, waited for 30 mins, nothing, now i have it open and trying to locate the RTC battery but I think it doesn't have one!
09:15
<muppis>
alkisg_debian, what brand/model?
09:15
<alkisg_debian>
so i'll try to find a friend that has the same laptop on the phone, to get me through the "load bios defaults" steps without seeing anything...
09:15
muppis: acer aspire 5920g
09:16
<muppis>
alkisg_debian, tried to keep power button pressed for 30 without battery and cord?
09:16
30 secs.
09:17
<alkisg_debian>
Nope, trying...
09:17
<robehend1>
whats the best resolution for an LDM theme background image? 800x600?
09:18
<highvoltage>
I believe the current default ones are 1600x1280
09:19
<robehend1>
oh, nice. I'm making one in Gimp for my elementary, so wanted to make sure it wouldnt look horrendous.
09:19
You k now, beyond my lack of graphical artist sills horrendous..
09:19
<highvoltage>
oops, nope it's 1680x1050
09:20
<robehend1>
that works
09:26
<alkisg_debian>
Nah, keeping the power button 30 secs without battery+cord didn't help
09:27
<muppis>
alkisg_debian, ok. Thats was official first-fix for HP's laptops gpu faulta.. ;)
09:27
-a
09:28
<robehend1>
oh hp, you and your laptops that light on fire..
09:29
<muppis>
robehend1, well. Those are hot, especially AMD ones..
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09:54* alkisg_debian managed to get into vista and hear the login sound, but couldn't get either the internal or external monitors to work :(
09:55
<muppis>
Good start, at least.
09:55
<alkisg_debian>
I even extracted the vga card and re-plugged it, nothing
09:58
<muppis>
Sounds tricky.
10:02
<highvoltage>
alkisg_debian: do you use ltsp on debian as well? what does it use for ldm theme? the default upstream one?
10:03
<alkisg_debian>
highvoltage: I tried with an 128 mb thin client as a server :) so I couldn't get ubuntu on it and got debian squeeze,
10:03
it has a blue background with an ltsp logo on it
10:03
I think that's the upstream one? (btw it sucks :D)
10:03
<highvoltage>
ah, yes that's the upstream one
10:04
yeah I just noticed that there is no ldm-theme packages in the debian archives and wonder what they used
10:04* alkisg_debian got remote X access to his broken laptop at last :D
10:04
<alkisg_debian>
brb, switching to xdmcp...
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<muppis>
alkisg_debian, didn't work?
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<alkisg_debian>
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA
10:46
<nothing>
10:46
:(
10:47
so ssh works but X doesn't start - maybe somehow the graphics card was burned...
10:48
<muppis>
Bummer.
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<knipwim>
anyone any clues for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ltsp/+bug/689381 ?
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<evil_root>
i love gentoo
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<knipwim>
evil_root: then you must have some clues :)
11:35
<evil_root>
sadly no, we switched to ubuntu for our ltsp almost a year ago
11:35
my only guess is that ldm 2.2 is trying to use inet6
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and when it cant it fails insted of using ip4
11:36
i ment to say ipv6 insted of inet6
11:36
but none of that helps u
11:36
are you using ltsp 4?
11:37
<knipwim>
no, ltsp 5.2.5
11:38
i was wondering about the ipv6 too
11:38
but i gathered it should use ipv4 instead
11:38
<evil_root>
do they have a port again for ltsp 5 or is it still alpha?
11:39
<knipwim>
it's in a gentoo overlay
11:39
<evil_root>
oh ok
11:39
<knipwim>
but relatively stable i believe
11:40
<evil_root>
i always found gentoo bad for x just because of all the blocked packages
11:40
but as far as a server
11:40
hands down gentoo is my fav
11:46
<knipwim>
your analysis could be correct, but
11:46
it seems weird for ldm to require ipv6
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<evil_root>
agreed
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<robehend1>
say, anyone able to explain to me the --kiosk flag on ltsp-build-client? I ran an image with it, but it appeared normal to me..isnt it supposed to autologin and start firefox in fullscreen?
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<robehend1>
alkisg_debian: Say, you know anything about the --kiosk plugin to ltsp-build-client?
12:37
<alkisg_debian>
I know that it used to not work, and it was recently rewritten... nothing more
12:37
<robehend1>
ah, ok. i dont think it's working still then ha
12:38
<alkisg_debian>
Remind me what distro/version are you using?
12:38
<robehend1>
ubuntu 10.10
12:38
<alkisg_debian>
Did you create any users in the chroot that might conflict?
12:38
<robehend1>
ran ltsp-build-client --kiosk, it builds fine, is bootable, etc. But beyond having Firefox installed as a localapp by default, it didnt do anything different than normal
12:38
no users in the chroot
12:39
<alkisg_debian>
afaik it should be working in 10.10... what problem are you having?
12:39
<robehend1>
well, its either a problem, or i'm just thinking it does something it doesnt
12:39
but if i'm not mistaken, doesnt the --kiosk plugin give you an image that will autologin and launch firefox fullscreen?
12:39
<alkisg_debian>
Something like that, yes
12:40
What does it do for you?
12:40
<robehend1>
just what a normal ltsp would do. I'm greeted with LDM, which I have to enter credentials, and then it brings to me to Gnome, not starting anything
12:40
only thing I found different was Firefox was pre-installed as a local app
12:41
<alkisg_debian>
Did you see any errors while running ltsp-build-client -kiosk?
12:41
<robehend1>
no, ran smoothly
12:41
<alkisg_debian>
Sounds like a bug then...
12:41
<Gadi>
try setting: SCREEN_07=kiosk
12:41
<robehend1>
Gadi: in lts.conf, correct?
12:42
<Gadi>
yup
12:42
<alkisg_debian>
Ah, that might be a reason :D
12:42
Gadi, any lts.conf option for a burned nvidia card on my laptop? :D
12:42
<robehend1>
makes sense. I didnt really find any documentation on it at all through google, so I thought it 'just worked'
12:42
<Gadi>
at one point we changed the kiosk plugin such that there was no gdm and it could run alongside a normal chroot
12:42
it needs some loving still
12:43
<robehend1>
so what can I expect, if I want to put it into production?
12:43
I figured having an autostarting firefox with no login would be perfect for 1st graders
12:43
<Gadi>
and the only docs I can think of are by reading: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk
12:43
<johnny>
robehend1, why not just use fat clients and uninstall the crap you don' want?
12:43
if nothing else, that will work
12:44
<robehend1>
johnny: machines are 1.8ghz celerons with 256 mb ram :(
12:44
<johnny>
firefox will suck on both
12:44
<Gadi>
alkisg_debian: we should add that as a wishlist
12:44
:)
12:44
<johnny>
flash will really really suck robehend1
12:44
<robehend1>
Oh, agreed. But it'll suck less with just firefox ;)
12:44
<johnny>
are you sure you want kiosk mode?
12:44
it runs it locally
12:44* alkisg_debian postpones the btrfs testing until it doesn't burn graphics cards anymore... :P
12:45
<Gadi>
yikes, really?
12:45
<johnny>
burns graphics cards??
12:45
<robehend1>
Yep. I've tried local firefox and flash before on these machines, and while it was sluggish, it was enough for 1st grade to screw around on
12:45
<alkisg_debian>
All I know is that it happened on reboot, after installing natty with btrfs :D
12:45
<johnny>
ok.. good
12:45
<Gadi>
alkisg_debian: thats why God invented virtual machines ;)
12:45
<robehend1>
heh
12:46
now if only kvm supported virtual machines that pxeboot, i could test this setup from here, instead of waiting till tommorrow to test it on a client.
12:46
<Gadi>
robehend1: does it support boot from iso?
12:47
<robehend1>
Gadi: indeed
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12:47
<Gadi>
robehend1: download a pxe-boot iso from rom-o-matic
12:47
<robehend1>
hmm, didnt even think of that
12:48
download, scp it over, and we're good to go
12:48
<Gadi>
yup
12:49* Gadi had though kvm used qemu and that qemu could netboot these days
12:49
<robehend1>
known bug in the most recent version of Qemu
12:49
<Gadi>
ah
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<robehend1>
it *thinks* it can netboot. and it can, on links directly between 2 virtual hosts
12:50
but if you want it to talk to the outside world, nope
12:50
<Gadi>
just when they had it working, they went and broke it again
12:50
<robehend1>
it seems to
12:50
so*
12:50
<Gadi>
its good to know we arent the only project that does that
12:50
:)
12:50
<robehend1>
you just like to keep things interesting
12:50
<Gadi>
job security
12:50
;)
12:51
<robehend1>
i've kept telling myself that for the last two days, as my core 3com switch kept acting up
12:53
hmm. never saw this before. scp: .: not a regular file
12:56
wait, nvm, i'm stupid and put unneeded spaces
13:06
Gadi: hmmm, rom-o-matic pxe booting causes kernel panic. I'm slatting it up to a bug in Qemu
13:08
random question. if I already have a functional chroot on a server, is that way to tell the ltsp-build-client to go pull packages from that, instead of it going out to the internet each time?
13:09
<alkisg_debian>
not exactly, but there is --mount-package-cache and -dir
13:09
So you can use those instead
13:09
ltsp-build-client --extra-help
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<robehend1>
ah, thats what i was looking for. man ltsp-build-client wasnt to descriptive ;)
13:11
so, if i'm reading this right, i would just do ltsp-build-client --mount-package-cache --mount-package-dir /opt/ltsp/i386 ?
13:11
<alkisg_debian>
no
13:12
either *just* --mount-package-cache, or --mount-package-dir=/opt/ltsp/i386/var/cache/apt/archives
13:12
the -cache variant uses the server dir for archives
13:12
instead of the chroot or another dir
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<robehend1>
oh..would I be better off doing it to the server, or to a chroot? I'm thinking server, since it's what, you know, installs the chroot..
13:13
<alkisg_debian>
Right, you just can't use apt on the server when you do that
13:13
<robehend1>
ah, cuz it would screw with the cache, correct?
13:14
<alkisg_debian>
Right, apt uses a lock there
13:14
<robehend1>
works for me, i'm the only one using apt on the server anyways atm
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<alkisg_debian>
So just -cache with no dir parameter
13:15
<robehend1>
not --mount-package-cache ?
13:15
<alkisg_debian>
Don't provide a dir beside that
13:15
Just plain --mount-package-cache
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<robehend1>
oh good. i had already sent that command, wanted to make sure i didnt screw anything up
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<robehend1>
Gadi: With an ltsp kiosk, what user is it actually logging in as?
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<Gadi>
robehend1: "ltspkiosk"
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<robehend1>
hmm, ok
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<knipwim>
which should have preference in the ltsp-build-client arguments, commandline or configfile?
14:06
i'm guessing commandline, but i'm not sure
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<robehend1>
knipwim: I like command line, as you can fix it per chroot creation
14:23
Gadi: if the users are all logging in as "ltspkiosk", is there a way for me to pre-populate the Bookmarks with common links?
14:26
<Gadi>
robehend1: read: /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp/screen.d/kiosk
14:27
<robehend1>
will do
14:28
<Gadi>
and by that, I mean read the comments
14:28
:)
14:28
<robehend1>
ha, always the best form of documentation
14:28
<Gadi>
I think you can dump whatever you want in /usr/local/share/ltspkiosk/home and /usr/local/share/ltspkiosk/startup
14:29
the former gets copied to the ltspkiosk homedir
14:29
and the latter gets executed
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<robehend1>
hmm. what good would it be, throwing something in the homedir, if firefox runs fullscreen?
14:30
<Gadi>
eg. cp -a .mozilla /usr/local/share/ltspkiosk/home
14:30
<robehend1>
ah, that makes sense then
14:30
<Gadi>
to have a prepopulated env
14:30
just for the kiosk mode
14:31
I know, prolly much better ways of doing a kiosk mode, but as I say, it needs more loving than it gets
14:31
:)
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<robehend1>
hmm. I appear to have no screen.d folder under /opt/ltsp/Kiosk/usr/share/ltsp
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nor /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/ltsp
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<Gadi>
huh?
14:44
impossible
14:47
<robehend1>
ya, i looked more into it, saw some lovely errors, so i'm rebuilding an image
15:07
<tekoholic>
I'm new to LTSP, just having installed my first test server yesterday. Other than by CLI / chroot, I cannot find any means by which to administer users?
15:07
<robehend1>
what distro?
15:07
<tekoholic>
Ubuntu Lucid LTS
15:08
<robehend1>
your server should have a gui on it, correct?
15:08
<tekoholic>
Yes
15:08
<robehend1>
on that gui, if you go to system, administration, and t hen "users and groups", you can add them through the gui
15:08
<tekoholic>
But any users created on server cannot login to diskless client
15:08
<robehend1>
i was not aware of this.
15:09
<tekoholic>
I'm told that the new user must change password, on attempted login, and it fails
15:10
<robehend1>
can you login to a client using the user you made during server install?
15:12
<tekoholic>
I could on the server, but not on client, until I followed instructions at this link: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/CreateChrootAdminAcct
15:12
<robehend1>
well, thats weird. I've never had to do that.
15:12
hmm..anything sitting in the logs? /var/log/auth, i believe
15:12
er, auth.log
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<tekoholic>
Not much that I can see as showing error...
15:17
I am logging into the server via x2go, and that's really all I can see referenced by the auth.log
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<robehend1>
hmm...
15:20
have you changed the IP address of the server since you built the image?
15:20
<tekoholic>
nope
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<robehend1>
try logging into the server via straight ssh? see if that lets you in at least
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<tekoholic>
I am currently logged into it via x2go, essentially a vnc-over-ssh sort of remote desktop. I can ssh, or this wouldn't work
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<robehend1>
hmm. I dont know what to tell you. i've found that if i can get in via ssh with a user, i can get in via ldm as well.
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15:26
<tekoholic>
well, I did just ssh into localhost as the test user and changed password, and I'm now going to attempt a diskless boot again, log in as test
15:27
<robehend1>
ya, lets see how that goes. its weird though. only account i've ever had to make inside the chroot itself is an admin account, and I dont even do that anymore with the local xterm
15:32
<alkisg_debian>
tekoholic: so you unlocked the root account on the chroot?
15:32
<robehend1>
alkisg_debian: he's not able to login with any users made by the gnome users and groups tool
15:34
<alkisg_debian>
trying `ssh user@server` from a local shell on the thin client is a good way to troubleshoot that
15:34
<robehend1>
he's using x2go, and figures since thats ssh, he should be fine. that was my thought too
15:34
<alkisg_debian>
If it's a problem with the keys, then no
15:34
<robehend1>
hmm
15:34
<alkisg_debian>
The chroot needs to know the server ssh key
15:35
<robehend1>
makes sense. he says he hasnt changed the ip, so i didnt think he'd need to run ltsp-update-sshkeys or whatever
15:35
<alkisg_debian>
a test would tell us the problem...
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As the console is more verbose than ldm in those cases
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<robehend1>
tekoholic: any luck?
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15:59* alkisg is watching a youtube video that says that if I put my graphics card in the oven, for 10 mins to 200°C, it'll be resurrected... :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVaFICtnJ50
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<robehend1>
whoa careful with that
16:01
all kinds of nasty chemicals in your video card..and it'll leak into your oven
16:02
<alkisg>
I'll try with a heating pistol first, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEx6g-xt0CI&NR=1
16:02
my god how did they come up with that stuff?!
16:02
<robehend1>
Gadi: got a new chroot, put it into Screen_07 = kiosk, but it just boots to busybox with an itranfms prompt
16:02
alkisg: to much time and spare parts, my guess
16:03
<alkisg>
robehend1: remove "quiet splash" from pxelinux.cfg/default to see the error message before the initramfs prompt
16:03
<robehend1>
hmm ok..
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<tekoholic>
Sorry, had a smoke and a coupla' phone calls to take, but I DID get in. Kubuntu always insists on a passwd-change on first login of a new user, and it wasn't being accepted from the diskless login screen
16:09
Root account is NOT unlocked, just the admin user, and ssh to localhost as test-user allowed me to change pass
16:10
<robehend1>
nice
16:10
alkisg: Error: could not connect to NBD server
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<alkisg>
robehend1: try nbd-client server-ip 2000 /dev/nbd0
16:11* alkisg takes the heating pistol...
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<robehend1>
hmm, kk
16:14
<tekoholic>
thanx to both robehend1 and alkisg, for the help
16:15
<robehend1>
no prob
16:15
alkisg: the nbd-client command gave me a "negotions" and then some numbers.
16:15
alkisg: i went into the pxelinux.cfg/default, and saw the port in there is listed 2001.
16:16
alkisg: trying nbd-client with port 2001 gave me a connection refused message
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<alkisg>
grep ncd /etc/inetd.conf
16:16
*nbd
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ah
16:17
then you need 2000 in pxelinux
16:17
not 2001
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<robehend1>
alkisg: did that, tested it, and its coming up with "no ltspkiosk user", on a cli login
16:21
pfft, would help if i read the kiosk file more closely..that big "THIS SESSION MUST HAVE A USERNAME LTSPKIOSK" part
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<robehend1>
alkisg_debian: so, added the ltspkiosk user to the chroot, updated the image, still getting the "no ltspkiosk user" message
16:29
<alkisg_debian>
robehend1: for the kiosk specific part you'll need Gadi, I've never played with it
16:29
<robehend1>
ah, no problem. I think its cuz i gave it a password..
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<robehend1>
is there a way to make a user that *doesnt* have a passowrd?
16:30
er, password
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16:37
<alkisg_debian>
omg the heating worked!
16:37
<robehend1>
wooo
16:38
<alkisg_debian>
I'm not sure I believe it myself!
16:38
<robehend1>
the question is, how long will it work ;)
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16:39
<alkisg>
Back with my little laptop... :D
16:39
<robehend1>
always a good day
16:40
<alkisg>
Well I can heat it again, 1 time each day, if it feels cold for my 8600M :D
16:40
<Trixboxer>
alkisg: Hi, Happy new Year :)
16:40
<robehend1>
grr, ill have to wait for Gadi for this. The LTSPkiosk user exists, i made it have no password, updated the image, and it still thinks it doesnt
16:40
<alkisg>
I don't think the password matters, I suspect it'll be using "sudo su kioskuser firefox" etc
16:40
(without sudo as it's already root)
16:41
<robehend1>
it is. it just doesnt see the user existing
16:41
which is weird, since under the chroot, running getent passwd ltspkiosk returns valid files
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<robehend1>
hmm wait. when I run an ltsp-update-image, under "Number of uids" i dont have ltspkiosk listed..but i chrooted into the /opt/ltsp/kiosk directory and did an adduser ltspkiosk..did I do something wrong?
16:48
bah, its supper time. have a good night all. or morning, afternoon, whatevers applicable
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17:46* alkisg puts a blanket over his GPU and heads to bed... night all
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