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Channel log from 3 April 2008   (all times are UTC)

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<hari_>
does anyone have any experience installing graphic card for clients in ltsp?
01:41
i installed ati radeon X1550 in client and server. It works fine at server.
01:42
but the client don't
01:42
when i check it use $ fglrxinfo at client it said Mesa
01:43
it should said ATI like i check it at server
01:43
please help me..rgds
01:46
<johnny>
did you install the proprietary ati driver in the chroot?
01:48
<hari_>
yes, yes i installed proprietary driver for ubuntu gutsy at server.. and it works fine
01:49
<johnny>
it needs to be installed in the chroot too
01:49
<hari_>
I think client will automatically know the graphic card driver when i use the same card, but not
01:49
sorry, ... i don't know how to do it in chroot
01:49
<johnny>
there's a part that happens before it switches into X
01:50
that part is only happening on your server
01:50
the fglrx kernel module
01:50
it neds to be in the chroot too
01:50
i'm not sure if it's as simple as chroot /path/to/chroot and then trying to use your package manager to install it
01:51
<hari_>
i don't know how to use chroot. is it package that i can installed from synaptic?
01:52
<johnny>
no
01:52
you have it
01:52
you should wait for an ubuntu user to help you install it into the chroot.. or just search for it on the web
01:53
i wouldn't want to tell you to do the wrong thing
01:53
<hari_>
yes..thanks, i will search it..
01:57
basically, do ineed to installed the driver into chroot or certain directory?
02:02
i think i have to update my ltsp with the new installed driver. in gutsy it's only type $ ltsp-update-image
02:03
will try at home, cause my computer is at home
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02:06
<slashdotfx>
hari_: coba ke wiki nya ubuntu
02:09
<hari_>
tahu aja mas .. he he. thanks, search it..
02:11
<ogra_cmpc>
hari_, we dont install the linux-restricted-modules package in the chroot by default (it uses a tmpfs for all the drivers which eats about 30M extra ram (make sure to have that extra buffer in your clients before even starting))
02:12
<johnny>
serious? isn't there a way to avoid that?
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<ogra_cmpc>
not with the current kernel upstream and its attitude towards closed drivers, no
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02:15
<ogra_cmpc>
johnny, its one of the ways to be able to ship them legally
02:15
without violating the kernel l.icensing
02:22
<hari_>
ogra_cmpc: so do you agree that i need to update the image using $ ltsp-update-image (using ubuntu gutsy) ?
02:23
<ogra_cmpc>
after you made all changes, yes
02:24
ltsp-update-image will recompress the image in /opt/ltsp/images (which is what your client uses to run) based on what is under /opt/ltsp/i386
02:28
<hari_>
yes, new graphic card driver work fine at my server. but i don't update the image yet when trying it at client.
02:28
will try later at home, thanks again..
02:28
<ogra_cmpc>
the driver needs to be installed in the chroot
02:28
not on the server
02:29
<hari_>
i build ltsp using ltsp-build-client. so how to install new driver in chroot. sorry, can you tell me more or show some links... rgds
02:30
<ogra_cmpc>
i'd suggest to read up about the chroot command ... essentially you do: sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
02:31
that makes /opt/ltsp/i386 appear as / and you can make changes, install packages etc
02:31
to leave the chroot shell you hit ctrl-d
02:31
if you are done with all chages you want for the client you then run sudo ltsp-update-image
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<hari_>
i see thanks...
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03:03
<johnny>
dberkholz, i added all the ebuilds that work as they are upstream (from bzr)
03:03
when we have some official tarballs to point to, we can make version specific ones
03:05
<dberkholz>
johnny: sounds good. i'm just on my way to sleep
03:06
<johnny>
i'm not going to commit ltsp-server and ltsp-client until i publish my bzr branch
03:07
i have some hardcoded paths i have to do something about
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04:26
<ogra_cmpc>
lots of vagrants today :)
04:28
<vagrantc_>
heh
04:29* vagrantc_ watches the ldm translations roll in
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04:55
<hari_>
hi ogra_cmcp : just want to confirm my question before i try at home later. in case i will install graphic card in chroot, do i have to do it in /opt/ltsp/i386 for chroot command? rgds
04:56
<ogra_cmpc>
right
04:56
<hari_>
thanks...
05:17* gvy . o O ( the most secure graphics card: open hardware, open firmware, running unprivileged in an empty r/o chroot )
05:17
<gvy>
...g'day :)
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<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: do you happen to know where to look if ldm says 'this workstation isn't authorized to connect to server'?
08:39
<ogra_cmpc>
sudo ltsp-update-sshkeys
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<ogra_cmpc>
err, without sudo on debian indeed
08:39
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: sounds good, thanks
08:40* vagrantc stumbles into #ltsp after a good round of lunch/wine
08:41
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
08:41
wine
08:41
<vagrantc>
i think squashfs is finally working in debian sid again
08:41
<ogra_cmpc>
yay
08:41
i'm always curious why they just dont pull from us
08:42* vagrantc wonders what the status of unionfs and aufs is
08:42
<ogra_cmpc>
squash and union are so essential to ubuntu that they usually always work
08:42* ogra_cmpc will try aufs in intrpid
08:42
<vagrantc>
right, i'd imagine issues with them get very high priority
08:43
i'm hoping i can get the meta-initramfs-tools stuff in ... i.e. a single script that figures out weather to do nbd+FOO+BAR or nfs or whatever.
08:43
<ogra_cmpc>
casper has the hooks already and linux-ubuntu-modules ships it by default ... its just a matter of flipping the switch
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<vagrantc>
i'm torn between just uploading a new ldm to unstable or uploading it to experimental, or just plain waiting a while.
08:45
kind of want to wait till the french translation comes out, at least.
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<ogra_cmpc>
french is overrated
08:45
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: heh
08:45
<ogra_cmpc>
get all the zn and zh ones :)
08:45
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: don't tell Pascal_1...
08:46
<vagrantc>
yeah, but they already have a partial translation, and i just put the request for translations out .... some small number of days ago.
08:46
<ogra_cmpc>
daduke, i assume he knows i'm joking :)
08:46
<daduke>
ogra_cmpc: you never know with the French...
08:48
<vagrantc>
de, es, eu and sv are 100% translated for LDM ... hu about 70-80% (for some odd reason) and fr about 25% (the default screen is all translated)
08:48
i'm guessing fr will get updated within a day or two, someone's already said they're working on it.
08:50
<Gadi>
speaking of translations and such, do you guys know what font package needs to be installed in a chroot for firefox to be able to go to say, korean websites?
08:50* vagrantc is a little font clueless
08:50* Gadi too - as an ignorant American
08:51* vagrantc tambien
08:51
<Gadi>
gringo
08:51
<vagrantc>
si.
08:51
no tengo accentos
08:51* Gadi couldn't tell ;)
08:51
<Pascal_1>
what !!!!????
08:52
hello all!!
08:52* vagrantc stays out of it
08:52
<Gadi>
vagrantc: do your translations rely on certain fonts istalled in the chroot?
08:52
*installed
08:53
ie for accent grave and such?
08:54
<vagrantc>
Gadi: haven't had any problems so far, but all pretty much european languages
08:54
<ogra_cmpc>
Gadi, look for the deps of the language-support*-kr package
08:54
<Gadi>
ogra_cmpc: good idea
08:55
<ogra_cmpc>
in ubuntu they usually install the needed fonts
08:55* Gadi hopes for a magic unicode font to kill all
08:55
<ogra_cmpc>
dejavu covers lots
08:55
<Gadi>
yeah, but not korean - at least in ff
08:56
perhaps ff has its own reqs
08:56
<cliebow>
yikes!sandbox hNGS AT "STATING SYSTEM MESSAGE BUS
08:56
<Gadi>
the whole "local ff" is a pandora's box of extra packages :)
08:56
<ogra_cmpc>
not only that
08:56
have fun to get sound and printing working :P
08:56
or themeing
08:59
oh, and indeed for UI localization you should have the language pack installed in the chroot as well :)
08:59
(-pack, not -support, the latter is huge)
09:00
<Gadi>
hmm - weird
09:00
I can go to korean sites on a gutsy box with none of that languages-support stuff installed, and it works fine
09:01
<ogra_cmpc>
the chroot has only xfonts-base by default
09:01
(only the bare minimum ldm needs)
09:01
install the other xfont packages you find in main or just the xorg metapackage
09:03* Gadi wonders if he could ask firefox what font its using
09:03
<Gadi>
:)
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09:26
<cyberorg>
LTSP5 is now on openSUSE-Edu for the first time :) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-edu/2008-04/msg00000.html
09:28
<vagrantc>
squashfs is working on debian sid, unionfs is still borked. need to figure out aufs and give that a whirl.
09:28
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, i would advise against it, after all the hardwork of getting aufs working i dropped it, keep using bind mounts
09:29
<vagrantc>
laga: you have links to your aufs code and/or patches ? might be able to use them in debian
09:29
cyberorg: well, i intend to make that possible as well.
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<cyberorg>
aufs was broken in 2.6.25 RCs
09:32
all the fringe modules have a tendency to break every now and then
09:32
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: my goal is to make the initramfs-tools scripts generalized to support many of the various modes
09:32
no doubt.
09:32
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, that sounds like a good idea
09:32
<vagrantc>
don't know if other distros are likely to adopt initramfs-tools ...
09:33
<cyberorg>
we can still use unionfs, aufs or the split system(kind of tmpfs mounts) now, but "officially" default will be split type
09:33
it does need more ram than aufs though
09:34
<vagrantc>
more?
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<vagrantc>
on the rare occasions unionfs was working, it used considerably more than tmpfs+bind mounts
09:35
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, the split system does some weird tarball of all the folders and creates symlinks to rw part of all the files that require rw access, all folders, i think are rw
09:36
<vagrantc>
cyberorg: why not just bind-mount directories?
09:36
<cyberorg>
folders are rw, but files if not listed as required rw are ro
09:37
<warren>
vagrantc, used ram?
09:37
vagrantc, their split system is similar to our rwtab, except we use cpio instead of tar.
09:37
<cyberorg>
vagrantc, not sure about that
09:37
<vagrantc>
all the symlink trees seem... ugly.
09:38
if it's a huge tree of symlinks, and a huge tree of directories, it can actually get large.
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09:38
<vagrantc>
warren: i though your rwtab was more similar to what debian does- just mounting directories and files with bind
09:38
<warren>
vagrantc, we don't use symlinks, we use bind mounts
09:38
<jammcq>
hey kidz
09:39
<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, exactly.
09:39* vagrantc waves to jammcq
09:39
<warren>
vagrantc, yes, but cpio is used to drop things into the tmpfs
09:39
<cyberorg>
hi jammcq
09:39
<jammcq>
!seen sbalneav
09:39
<ltspbot>
jammcq: sbalneav was last seen in #ltsp 1 week, 3 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <sbalneav> I'm just digging into seeing that it would take to get sshd to run a graphical password changer
09:39
<jammcq>
hmm
09:39
<vagrantc>
warren: yeah, we use tar on debian
09:39* cyberorg spams the news for jammcq once more
09:39
<cyberorg>
LTSP5 is now on openSUSE-Edu for the first time :) http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-edu/2008-04/msg00000.html
09:40
<jammcq>
cyberorg: that rocks
09:41* jammcq has had many conversations with higher-ups at Novell and Suse, and was never able to come to an agreement about how to make it happen
09:41
<jammcq>
it's nice to see it's happening now
09:41
<cyberorg>
jammcq, opensuse-edu is mostly community effort
09:42
<xachen>
cyberorg: hmm looks like it would work good ina call center enviro as well :D
09:42
<jammcq>
yeah, apparently it's the community that knows how to make things happen, in spite of upper mgmt
09:42
<cyberorg>
xachen, yeah, it has a lot of add ons that can be used elsewhere, i like italc integration
09:43
<xachen>
ya, I'm debating Suse vs. Ubuntu atm
09:43
needs to be dead simple
09:43
<cyberorg>
xachen, ubuntu's ltsp is still better :)
09:44
suse is dead simple, but still bit resource hungry
09:44
<xachen>
I'm just curious if those eBox'es would do a good job, or if they would lag the X session
09:44
<cyberorg>
suse's ltsp
09:44
test it out, it takes 5 minutes to get entire set up running, including all the configurations
09:44
<xachen>
Yeah :)
09:45
<cyberorg>
http://dev.compiz-fusion.org/~cyberorg/2008/03/19/kiwi-ltsp-prebuilt-images/
09:46
prebuilt images should work on any distro, just service configuration might need slight adjustment
09:46
we put stuff in /srv
09:47
<xachen>
hmm k
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<xachen>
well I just started reading up on LTSP today so I still need to get a hold of some equip to test :)
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<cyberorg>
xachen, there is hardly anything you need read to get it running :) just the IP address of the server and dhcp range you want to give out, everything is configured automatically
09:53
<xachen>
Yeah it looks like a rather simple system to maintain
09:53
just PXE boot a simple OS that has a Xserver and thats it
09:53
although I'm sure theres more to the backend coding it :>
09:54
<cyberorg>
lot more, these guys here are brilliant :)
09:56
jammcq, management is into this http://www.novell.com/products/thinclient/
09:56
<jammcq>
yeah
09:56
seen that
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<jammcq>
isn't that based on some technology they bought from sco ?
09:56
<cyberorg>
but they are open if community does things
09:57
no idea what exactly it is, but kiwi which is open source, is similar
09:58
we've got 4 applications for http://en.opensuse.org/Easy-LTSP
09:58
summer of code idea
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<ogra_cmpc>
"The old LTSP-manager front-end for LTSP4 from Ubuntu is our motivation for developing a similar and more effective front-end for managing the new LTSP5 configuration"
10:00* ogra_cmpc giggles
10:00
<cyberorg>
ogra_cmpc, student may just work on it and improve it if it doesn't need completley new approach
10:01
<ogra_cmpc>
ltsp-manager is not for ltsp4 (which was never in ubuntu btw) and its the most beautiful vaporware i've written yet
10:01
its only a UI mockup :)
10:01
<jammcq>
but it does have some value
10:02
<cyberorg>
ogra_cmpc, what!! never used?
10:02
<ogra_cmpc>
sure
10:02
<jammcq>
it's inspired a replacement
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<ogra_cmpc>
oh, i plane to finish it one day ... during a boring holiday or so :)
10:03
and if nobody else finishes it
10:03
<cyberorg>
idea is to learn from all past/present available tools, including webmin module, teachertool etc
10:03
saw this? http://www.luckylemon.de/ltspgui/
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<ogra_cmpc>
not my type of UI, but if it works its better then ltsp-manager :)
10:04
<cyberorg>
hope one of those guys get selected to do the project :)
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<ogra_cmpc>
cyberorg, tell your SoC guy that ltsp-manager is free for adoption in case he wants to save time for the frontend stuff :)
10:05
<Gadi>
hey, guys - how do I initiate a reroll of the nbi image in the chroot?
10:05
<ogra_cmpc>
ltsp-update-kernels
10:06
<Gadi>
l-u-k rerolls it, too or just copies it?
10:06
<ogra_cmpc>
it should trigger chroot side stuff
10:06
<cyberorg>
ogra_cmpc, yeah, don't worry, they will be here to pick your brains too ;)
10:06
<Gadi>
ok
10:06
<ogra_cmpc>
i have forgotten how it works there, vagrantc wrote the majority
10:07
<Gadi>
hmm
10:07
code looks like it just copies
10:07
no triggers
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10:08
<ogra_cmpc>
thats only squashfs/nbd
10:08
<Gadi>
hmm right
10:09
<vagrantc>
the chroot-side stuff was removed at some point
10:09* vagrantc resisted the idea
10:09
<ogra_cmpc>
err
10:10
<vagrantc>
well, not removed ... ltsp-update-kernels doesn't do anything buy copy ...
10:10
<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc, and /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/lib/ltsp/update-kernels ?
10:10
<vagrantc>
i've been thinking about putting it back in
10:10
<ogra_cmpc>
shouldnt that regenerate the nbi image ?
10:10
<vagrantc>
yes
10:10
<Gadi>
ah
10:10
<ogra_cmpc>
Gadi, ^^^
10:10
<vagrantc>
Gadi: so run that :)
10:11
<Gadi>
so I could do: chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 /usr/lib/update-kernels
10:11
*/usr/lib/ltsp
10:11
or do I run it outside chroot
10:11
?
10:11
<vagrantc>
inside
10:11
<Gadi>
ok
10:11
here goes nothing...
10:13
hmm
10:13
Cannot open "/boot/nbi..." File exists
10:13* vagrantc fixed that in debian
10:13
<Gadi>
should I delete the nbi file first?
10:13
<vagrantc>
Gadi: just delete or move aside the existing nbi*.img
10:13
<Gadi>
okey dokey
10:15
<Q-FUNK>
odd, I thought that I had filed a bug about that
10:15
<ogra_cmpc>
i guess gadi is on gutsy
10:15* Gadi nods
10:16* Gadi is in too deep ! :)
10:16
<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc's fix is in hardy
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<Gadi>
ogra_cmpc: you wrote the current ltsp-nbd initramfs script, right?
10:26
<ogra_cmpc>
yes
10:26
well, the base
10:26
there were plenty of patches
10:26
<Gadi>
quick qu: do you know where the default IPOPTS or DEVICE are set for the case statement
10:26
I notice it *can* be set by cmdline
10:27
but, I don't see where the defaults are
10:27
<ogra_cmpc>
thats code i stole from the nfs script, i think the kernel sets it in a file in /tmp
10:27
<Gadi>
and obviously, it sets for eth0
10:27
<ogra_cmpc>
for the first device it finnds, yes
10:28
ah, wait, no
10:28
<Gadi>
heh - im just not sure which of the case statements it uses by default :)
10:28
<ogra_cmpc>
that file is created by ipconfig after the device is set up
10:28
<Gadi>
yeah, thats what I thought
10:28
but, for the life of me, I cannot find where things are set normally
10:29
and ipconfig without an argument errors out
10:29
:)
10:29* Gadi hates magic
10:30
<ogra_cmpc>
i guess the kernel exports it somehow
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<ogra_cmpc>
or udev
10:34
boot with break=top and check if its there already
10:35
<Gadi>
hmm good idea
10:35
<ogra_cmpc>
then with the different other break options to find out when its added
10:36
grep maybe_break /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/initramfs-tools/init
10:36
for a list
10:36* Gadi still likes to send "LTSP" as a VCI (which can be done with a -i "LTSP" to ipconfig), but being in the rush that I am and not wanting to break anything, I just patched the default in klibc :P
10:37
<Gadi>
would be much cleaner to patch ltsp-nbd
10:37
:)
10:37
<ogra_cmpc>
well, send a patch for intrepid :)
10:37
<Q-FUNK>
or migrate to haryd
10:37
<Gadi>
intrepid?
10:37
it that yet-another-dhcp-client?
10:38
<ogra_cmpc>
i have enough patches for this week to review, thanks :) hardy is done, whats not on LP or majorly important will go to intrepid
10:38
<Gadi>
oh, you mean hardy+1
10:38
lol
10:38
<ogra_cmpc>
intrepid ibex
10:38* Gadi is happy patching his own lil world for now
10:38
<Gadi>
:)
10:38
viva l'open source
10:38* ogra_cmpc loves how he learns animal names thorough his distro :)
10:39
<ogra_cmpc>
i didnt know what an ibex is before :)
10:39* Gadi thinks shuttleworth must have grown up in a zoo
10:39
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
10:39
<Q-FUNK>
or in o reiley's backyard
10:39
surrounded by b&w images of exotic beasts
10:40
<ogra_cmpc>
he definately loves ubuntu
10:40
else o'reilly wouldnt do ubuntulive
10:42
<jammcq>
ogra_cmpc: you gonna be at UbuntuLive?
10:42
<ogra_cmpc>
jammcq, still discussing, i'd love to but wasnt asked ... now that vagrant and warren want to do a hackfest i try to get comapny covering
10:43
<jammcq>
cool. I talked to Scotty, he's in favor of showing up too
10:43
<ogra_cmpc>
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2008-April/141318.html .... written on thunderbird ....
10:43
<jammcq>
maybe we can get Gadi and others
10:43
<ogra_cmpc>
Users ... you must love them
10:44
jammcq, that'd be cool
10:45* Gadi has been under a rock of late - lemme know when and where the party is :)
10:45
<ogra_cmpc>
Gadi, ubuntulive.com
10:45
portland .... attached to oscon
10:46
with a ltsp hackfest before or after oscon
10:46
<Gadi>
oscon is same week?
10:46
<jammcq>
ya
10:46
<Gadi>
ubuntulive seems to be mon/tue
10:47
so, oscon is wed-fri?
10:47
<ogra_cmpc>
the last ubuntulive was in advance of oscon
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<ogra_cmpc>
with one day overlap
10:48
<Gadi>
shuttleworth must have better photos....
10:48
:)
10:50
OSCON 2008 will happen July 21-25, 2008
10:51
guess its all overlap
10:51
:)
10:51
<Q-FUNK>
isn't that at the same time as guadec is in istanbul?
10:51
<ogra_cmpc>
could be
10:51* Q-FUNK Istanbula gidiyor! :)
10:52
<Gadi>
are you sure thats not constantinople
10:52
<ogra_cmpc>
haha
10:54
<Q-FUNK>
hayır
10:54
burda Istanbul var! :)
10:55
hm. impossibly slow connection at this posh place. amazing how the teenie bar accross the street offers real wireless G
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11:02* gvy looks right at ogra_cmpc and continues fixing a profile for image build system
11:03
<ogra_cmpc>
for the squashfs ?
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11:03
<gvy>
ogra_cmpc, no, for distros
11:04
<ogra_cmpc>
??
11:04
<gvy>
seems like you were building a distro too, no?
11:04* ogra_cmpc doesnt understand
11:04
<gvy>
ah, sorry, my fault then :)
11:04
you mentioned a custom BS last week
11:04
er, image buildsystem
11:05
<ogra_cmpc>
i'm building thpethial image for a thpethial device with dedicated setup based on ubuntu
11:05
<Q-FUNK>
custom bullshit???
11:05
thepe... what???
11:05
<gvy>
ogra_cmpc, and i'm building thpethial thtuff now too (yet again), after a major revamp stuck in the mid-air :)
11:06
just wished to say you're not alone with thith :)
11:06
<ogra_cmpc>
youre not alone with it :)
11:06
either ;)
11:07
but my thing is really dedicated OS for dedicated HW ...
11:07
<gvy>
led's working on xconf patches (an utility to poke in xorg.conf, we need to stretch it a bit)... hopefully will get to rehashing patchset tomorrow
11:08
ogra_cmpc, my case is probably much simpler, generic os for generic hw :)
11:08
<ogra_cmpc>
ahh, good for you :)
11:09
i'm just crying over suspend resume issues with root on usb
11:09
<gvy>
Q-FUNK, honestly, *before* shortening "buildsystem" didn't think of the outcome :)
11:09
<Q-FUNK>
ah
11:09
<gvy>
and mine one would try to do resume=/dev/md0 with two hdds, have to teach it some more manners
11:10* gvy . o O ( are these womanners? )
11:10
<ogra_cmpc>
well, but you at kleast have still a controller after resume :P
11:10
<gvy>
luck
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11:15* Q-FUNK is SO looking forward to going back to Türkiye again
11:16* ogra_cmpc drove from hannover to istanbul when he was 17 ... with his 7hp moped
11:17
<Q-FUNK>
:D
11:18
çok güzel
11:18
<wwx>
11:19
<Q-FUNK>
which reminds me, I really should invite my friend from the embassy for a drink
11:20
I still have her copy of the delegation visit on a nice välisministeerium usb stick :)
11:21
she cannot say no: she loves practicing her french with me! ;)
11:21
<ogra_cmpc>
is she looking good ?
11:21
<Q-FUNK>
cute face, but excessive hips :S
11:22
<laga>
i think my euphemism detector went off o_O
11:22
<Q-FUNK>
her collegues in Ankara were stunning though, especially this freshly hired one they had assigned to us for the prime minister visit
11:23
not to mention the one at Bilkent university that had learned just neough estonian to greet us welcome in our language
11:24
I'm definitely pinging this one next time I'm in Kavaklıdere
11:25
ogra_cmpc: it mostly is that she is absolutely charming and that she has a great sense of humor. the embassador also has a great sense of humor (she had to, with me creating small diplomatic incidents during our whole visit ;) )
11:26
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
11:26
<Q-FUNK>
rebooting. brb
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<Q-FUNK>
ogra_cmpc: btw, -geode is in new at debian. is there any way to request a sync from that, instead of waiting for debian to process it out of new?
11:48
<ogra_cmpc>
ask bryce directly, yes, we can sync from new
11:48
but needs to be done manually
11:54
<Q-FUNK>
hm
11:55
I could not file a bug asking for a sync, because there is no package called xserver-xorg-video-geode in ubuntu
11:55
ogra_cmpc: would you happen to know how to create it?
11:56
<ogra_cmpc>
just file an unspecified bug, mention the package name and subscribe bryce
12:01
<Q-FUNK>
I just filed it against -amd instead :)
12:02
<ogra_cmpc>
got a bug # ?
12:04
<Q-FUNK>
211385
12:04
<ogra_cmpc>
thx
12:04
i'll poke bryce if i see him
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<Pascal_1>
Bonsoir
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14:05
<Gadi>
does anyone know if you can mount a /dev node on a loopback (ie /dev/loop*)
14:06
<vagrantc_>
Gadi: i.e. losetup /dev/foobar /dev/loop0 ?
14:06
<Gadi>
right
14:06
well, losetup /dev/loop* /dev/foobar
14:06
<vagrantc_>
Gadi: exact syntax i don't know, but i believe yes
14:06
<Gadi>
er, /dev/loop0
14:06
hmm
14:06
ok
14:07
the losetup seems to have worked, but mount does not like it
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<vagrantc_>
hrm. good luck.
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<warren>
Gadi, no, losetup is only for files.
14:12
Gadi, why do you want to do this?
14:13
<ogra_cmpc>
looping devices through hoops :)
14:14
<Gadi>
I am, er, playing with nbd-mounting an encrypted fs
14:14
so, the dev in qu is /dev/nbd0
14:14
losetup take it
14:15
it is just mount that gives me "Invalid argument"
14:15
*takes
14:15
<ogra_cmpc>
well ...
14:15
did you try the other way round ?
14:15
<Gadi>
other way round?
14:15
<ogra_cmpc>
loopback the file ... then attach nbd on top
14:15
<Gadi>
the file is exported thru nbd
14:16
<ogra_cmpc>
(assuming nbd sits on top of a file)
14:16
<johnny>
hi guys
14:16
why does loggerhead have to be a turbogears app :(
14:17
<Gadi>
hmm... Ill find a way to work it
14:17
too bad losetup is only for files
14:17
I thought everything is a file in Linux :)
14:18
<warren>
Gadi, server is serving an encrypted nbd0 and you're trying to LUKS decrypt it?
14:18
<Gadi>
pretty much
14:19* warren doesn't understand how loop comes into the picture then
14:19
<Gadi>
I guess Ill have to export an unencrypted fs with the enc fs file on it
14:19
and loopmount that
14:19
well, how do you mount an encrypted nbd0 fs otherwise?
14:19
<warren>
nbd0 is a raw block device
14:19
LUKS can be across the entire block device
14:20
<Gadi>
im not sure about LUKS
14:20
Im not using LUKS per-se
14:20
<warren>
oh
14:20
<Gadi>
I am using AES encryption
14:20
loop-aes-utils
14:20
and friends
14:21
<ogra_cmpc>
it has friends ?
14:21
<Gadi>
:)
14:21
I like it
14:22
<ogra_cmpc>
:)
14:24
<Gadi>
well, until now
14:24
:P
14:24
LUKS uses dmsetup and /dev/mapper, huh?
14:24
hmm....
14:24
<ogra_cmpc>
yes
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<lipe>
my clients can't read /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/lts.conf on boot. my server is debian etch upgraded with backports from alioth mirror. can anyone help me? (sorry for my english)
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<ogra_cmpc>
lipe, how do you know they cant read it ?
15:20
<lipe>
my clients d'ont grab the configs like LDM_DIRECTX or USE_NFS_SWAP
15:20
i have only [default] section
15:23
<ogra_cmpc>
can you paste your config to the pastebot ?
15:23
!pastebot
15:23
<ltspbot`>
ogra_cmpc: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<ltsppbot>
"lipe" pasted "lts.conf" (17 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/495
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<lipe>
great :)
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<ogra_cmpc>
lipe, USE_NFS_SWAP is obsolete
15:33
<vagrantc>
and unsupportable
15:33
<ogra_cmpc>
look in /opt/ltsp/i386/usr/share/doc/ltsp-client-core/examples/lts-parameters.txt.gz for suppported values
15:34
same goes for SWAPFILE_SIZE
15:34
LOCAL_APPS arent implemented yet in ltsp5
15:34
<lipe>
thank you!
15:34
<ogra_cmpc>
LOCAL_STORAGE is called LOCALDEV nowadays (and on by default)
15:35
RUNLEVEL iis not used
15:35
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: i'm getting a lot of feedback here about localapps ...
15:35
<lipe>
I read various websites about optimizations... i think it's confusing me
15:35
<ogra_cmpc>
and LDM_DIRECTX needs a partched ldm i dont think that was in the etch default packages
15:36* vagrantc nods
15:36
<ogra_cmpc>
lipe, yeah, likely for ltsp 4.x
15:36
which has docs scattered all over the web :)
15:36
vagrantc, working along sbalneavs design or something different ?
15:36
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: just a flaming desire for it, that's all.
15:36
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
15:36
well, proof of concept works
15:37
<lipe>
thank you again, i'm back to work on this!
15:37
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: in extremadura, they're in the process of deploying 4,000 LTSP servers.
15:37
15-30 clients per server
15:37
<ogra_cmpc>
its just missing the flesh
15:37
<lipe>
and, sorry for my english again
15:37
<ogra_cmpc>
coool !!
15:37
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: and on debian lenny :)
15:37
ogra_cmpc: kind of blows my mind.
15:37
<ogra_cmpc>
spain is s the opensource capital in edu ... really
15:38
<vagrantc>
not that lenny is a bad choice, just the sheer numbers.
15:38
ogra_cmpc: indeed!
15:38
<lipe>
bye!
15:38
quit
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<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: this isn't just education- it's also other public/government offices as well.
15:38
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, thats how i felt with the macedoinia thing :)
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<vagrantc>
4000 desktops is one thing ... 4000 ltsp servers ... it's amazing!
15:39
<ogra_cmpc>
even though the dont go with ltsp :(
15:39
*they
15:39
<warren>
who is using 4000 servers?
15:40
<ogra_cmpc>
extremadura, spain
15:40
<vagrantc>
warren: junta de extremadura, a region in spain
15:40
<warren>
oh
15:40
vagrantc, all debian based?
15:40
<ogra_cmpc>
spain is big in that
15:40
<vagrantc>
warren: not using just yet, in the process of being ready to deploy them
15:40
warren: yeah.
15:41
they've been using disk'ed systems ... something like 80,000+ desktops already.
15:41
<ogra_cmpc>
warren, andalusia has a 300000 desktop setup running on guadalinex (ubuntu/edubuntu derivative)
15:41
<vagrantc>
obviously, with those kind of numbers, ltsp starts to make a lot of sense.
15:41
<warren>
ah
15:41
<ogra_cmpc>
ltsp in every classroom there
15:42
the canarys have something similar with around 160000 desktops
15:42
<vagrantc>
brings all my days spent with virtualbox and qemu some meaning :)
15:42
<warren>
vagrantc, what kind of client hardware?
15:42
misc?
15:42
vagrantc, I hope they're covering your expenses to be there
15:42
<ogra_cmpc>
its all government sponsored usually
15:42
<vagrantc>
warren: they've currently got 1.4+GHz p-4's, i think...
15:43
warren: yeah, they got me here, put me up in a fancy hotel, and feed me wine with nearly every meal :)
15:43
<ogra_cmpc>
spain ...
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15:43
<vagrantc>
spain just ... gets it.
15:44
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah
15:44
looking forward to my next sevilla visit :)
15:44
<warren>
vagrantc, I guess you speak the language as well?
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<vagrantc>
warren: survival spanish ... not as good as i'd like.
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<vagrantc>
food, transportation, i like, i don't like ... i'm vegetarian (and this is the litany of what that actually means)
15:46
and just enough spanish specific computer terminology to actually explain LTSP
15:46
:)
15:46
<ogra_cmpc>
you did pretty weel with the kids in seville
15:46
*well
15:47
<vagrantc>
yeah, i probably speak like a really adult 5 year old
15:47
<ogra_cmpc>
heh
15:47
if i have to go on with the guadalinex visits, i guess i'll take a spanish coures as well
15:48
*course
15:48
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: i've heard good things about the free MIT courses online
15:48
<warren>
vagrantc, for language?
15:48
<vagrantc>
warren: yeah
15:48
i thought so, anyways...
15:49
<ogra_cmpc>
ah, well, it would actually be a good thing to have some local adult programme ... a regular appointment that forces me to leave the hose will help my belly grow smaller again
15:49
<vagrantc>
heh
15:50
i've got to get back to aikido
15:50
<warren>
hm...
15:50
martial arts would be good...
15:50
<vagrantc>
all this traveling makes it hard to pull off
15:50
<ogra_cmpc>
i should finally reassemble my car
15:50
<warren>
ogra_cmpc, apt-get install car (and it grabs all the deps?)
15:51
<ogra_cmpc>
warren, nah that would not be what i bought it for ... it was actuallt planned to rip it apart completely, and do some restauration work to get away from the apt-get ;)
15:52
but now its sitting in ieces in my garage and i didnt have time to touch it since a year
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<vagrantc>
hmmm...
15:55
i'm thinking of releasing ltspfs with cdpinger from udev to experimental
15:55
<ogra_cmpc>
why experimental ? ltspfs should go through independently, no ?
15:55
ah, no, ldm dep
15:56
<johnny>
beep!
15:56
<vagrantc>
yeah, i plan to split it into ltspfsd and ltspfsd-core
15:56
<johnny>
hola #ltsp
15:56
<vagrantc>
with cdpinger in the udev rules, i think it justifies that
15:56
<ogra_cmpc>
err, wait
15:56
<vagrantc>
johnny: buenas tardes
15:56
<ogra_cmpc>
ldm is only a recommends and not versioned
15:56
that should be fine
15:57
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: yeah, the recommends wasn't a big argument for me. more convincing is splitting the udev rules out.
15:57
<ogra_cmpc>
no, i meant wrt experimental
15:58
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: well, i'm thinking of uploading ldm to experimental just so that the current unstable version can progress to testing
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<vagrantc>
and ltspfs to experimental just in case NEW takes too long
15:59
<ogra_cmpc>
right, but getting ltspfs into sid sounds sane to me, the udev change for cdpinger should happen anyway
15:59
<vagrantc>
both kind of stupid reasons, overall.
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<vagrantc>
and while we're doing cdpinger from udev, may as well start ltspfsd from it's own init script, anyways.
15:59
actually ....
15:59
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, it could suddenly stabilize andrelease tomorrow :P
16:00
<vagrantc>
maybe we start ltspfsd from the udev rules
16:00
<ogra_cmpc>
hmm
16:00
<vagrantc>
i.e. if a device is inserted, start ltspfsd if not already started
16:00
<ogra_cmpc>
tircky for delayed devices that are there already
16:00
<vagrantc>
just put it in add_fstab_entry
16:01
<ogra_cmpc>
yeah, thats good
16:01
add_fstab_entry is used by all devices
16:01
<vagrantc>
we'd have to figure out how to handle the mcookie stuff ... but probably could do that from add_fstab_entry if not already done as well.
16:02
<ogra_cmpc>
how do we do it with delayed mounter atm ?
16:02* ogra_cmpc lost track a bit
16:02
<vagrantc>
it's started in ltsp-client-core's init script
16:02
<ogra_cmpc>
the mcookie handling i mean :)
16:02
<vagrantc>
which is not really the right place anymore.
16:03
ogra_cmpc: i think it's generated in the init script, and properties are set in the ldm rc.d hooks
16:04
<ogra_cmpc>
well, actually the mcookie should be generated fro a screen script hook
16:05
if we dont have X we dont need mcookies ;/)
16:06
<vagrantc>
hmmm...
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<vagrantc>
maybe technically true, although it might be hard to get it perfect.
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<ogra_cmpc>
vagrantc, /usr/lib/ltsp/screen_session seems to be perfect
16:11
<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: i want to get everything ltspfs related in ltspfs itselff
16:12
<ogra_cmpc>
i dont think mcookie needs to be ltspfs only
16:12
<warren>
vagrantc, I want to add a BOOTCONFIG option so I can avoid doing that part of update-kernels
16:12
<ogra_cmpc>
and i think scott used it in the localapps implementation
16:12
<warren>
vagrantc, well, I need some option
16:12
vagrantc, how would you prefer I handle this?
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<vagrantc>
ogra_cmpc: ah, that would make sense.
16:13
warren: first preference, keep default behavior ... other than that, and with the assumption that it won't be evil changes ... not too picky.
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<ogra_cmpc>
if [ "$VENDOR" = "Ubuntu" ]; then
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BOOTPROMPT_OPTS="quiet splash"
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<ogra_cmpc>
warren, just add your vendor line :)
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<vagrantc>
warren: what parts are you talking about?
16:14
ogra_cmpc: i think this is something different ...
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<ogra_cmpc>
oh, i think i know what he means ... to ltsp-update-kernels, mangling the pxe config
16:15
<warren>
shoot, update-kernels relies on lsb_relesae
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<warren>
I got rid of lsb_release everywhere else...
16:15
<ogra_cmpc>
uh, wyh ?
16:15
<vagrantc>
got rid of == make it possible to not require it
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, yeah, I don't want this to touch any boot loader config
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if [ -z "$CHROOT_NAME" ]; then
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# FIXME: replace with a common function
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CHROOT_NAME="$(dpkg --print-installation-architecture)"
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more evil
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<vagrantc>
speaking of common functions ...
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<ogra_cmpc>
thats why it says FIXME ;)
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<vagrantc>
i'm thinking we can write common functions that use the same names, but there are distro-specific implementations ...
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<ogra_cmpc>
yeah
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<warren>
in my case my functions might often be "return 0"
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<vagrantc>
is_arch_valid, default_arch, etc.
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<dberkholz>
i just packaged lsb_release
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<dberkholz>
didn't really see any point in working around it
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<vagrantc>
that could possibly move some code back into common
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ogra_cmpc: currently, the cookie is named /var/run/ltspfs_token ... so i'm guessing to generalize it would probably need renaming it
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<ogra_cmpc>
i'm pretty sure we defined it as essential requirement in the inital list of ltsp5 implementation reqs we made in detroit
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vagrantc, right
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<warren>
relying on lsb_release for hard coded names in scripts/plugin directories doesn't quite work for me
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because my distros have too many different Vendor names
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I intend on shipping ltsp-server and ltsp-client RPMS that work only on the distro they were built on
16:23* ogra_cmpc wonders where the wiki frontpage went
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<ogra_cmpc>
there is no mention of ltsp5 anywhere anymore
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zero results searching for muecow
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<johnny>
dberkholz, dont' we already have lsb_release?
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you said just?
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in portage it's called lsb-release for some reason
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<vagrantc>
as in, went ahead and did it
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not as in recently
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<ogra_cmpc>
weird, looks like a lot ltsp5 wikicontent is gone
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<vagrantc>
part of the ltsp 4.x conspiracy
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<dberkholz>
johnny: for whatever reason, package name is different from command name (- vs _)
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<vagrantc>
does ubuntu allow _ in package names?
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er, gentoo
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you know, that other distro
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: technically yes, but there's probably about 5 packages that do it
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<ogra_cmpc>
LTSP is already integrated into Ubuntu and Debian, and Fedora is coming soon (FC7 - Spring 2007) as well as Gentoo.
16:31
warren, what are you working on ? its in FC7 already :)
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, what is?
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<ogra_cmpc>
thats on the wiki ...
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<warren>
oh
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<vagrantc>
debian doesn't, and ubuntu inherrited that
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<warren>
I can't do any more work. I'm going to the gym.
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: same way that we generally don't use any uppercase chars in package names. people know what to expect and how to search
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<vagrantc>
buenas noches
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dberkholz: ah.
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<vagrantc>
dberkholz: it's just plain not allowed in debian.... [0-9a-z][0-9a-z\-\.].* i think ...
16:36
might have the repeat a bit off
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<dberkholz>
vagrantc: we allow stuff like that where there's hundreds of packages that deviate in the same way, for example perl modules
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<vagrantc>
i've just been told i'm going clubbing :)
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<ogra_cmpc>
hey hey
16:38* vagrantc waves
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<robfantini>
Newbee here, trying to get a
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Diskless workstaton going. using Etch.
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I already have dhcp installed.
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error on cloent os PXE-T01 File not found
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ltsp at /opt/ltsp/i386
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dhcp: option root-path "/opt/ltsp/i386"; filename "/ltsp/pxelinux.0";
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Is file name set ok ? and root-path?
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<robfantini>
pxelinux.0 is actually at /opt/ltsp/i386/boot
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<ogra_cmpc>
should be under /var/lib/ftfpboot/ltsp.....
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<dberkholz>
tftpboot?
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<ogra_cmpc>
heh, yes
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<robfantini>
should I move /opt/ltsp/i386 to /var/lib/tfpboot/ ?
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<ogra_cmpc>
no
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dont you have a ltsp subdir in /var/lib/tfpboot/ ?
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<robfantini>
yes but it is empty
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<ogra_cmpc>
which doc did you follow to get ltsp set up ?
16:58
!debian
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<ltspbot`>
ogra_cmpc: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP
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<robfantini>
I did follow that and the examples at /usr/share/doc/ltsp-server
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I thuink the example dhcp file are dated
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I ran ltsp-build-client , and by default /opt/ltsp/i386 was created
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<chupacabra>
wtff? "Sturgeon was Hans Reiser's best friend until he had an affair with Nina Reiser in 2004, the year she and Hans Reiser separated. Sturgeon dressed in drag and was the couple's best lady at the 1999 wedding. He has confessed to being a serial killer and has never been arrested. Jurors have not been told of the confession, as the judge has ruled it would be prejudicial."
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<warren>
chupacabra, it is best not to spread the news about Reiser, he is an embarassment. Some people only hear of Linux because of the trial.
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<johnny>
i guess reiser4 is even more dead
20:46
ricers still use it tho
20:47
chupacabra, what is your first name?
20:48
<warren>
I thought some technology from reiser4's research is going into a newer filesystem
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btrfs or something
20:48
<johnny>
so it'll be good for something
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<johnny>
and actually fit into linux vfs :)
20:49
<warren>
reiserfs and reiser4 had a lot of interesting things
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<petre>
evening all
20:49
<warren>
but neither were really production safe
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<johnny>
it's great for the portage tree tho..
20:49
reiser3 that is
20:49
<warren>
the fsck and recovery tools are either non-existent or very bad
20:50
<johnny>
lots of small files
20:50
and easily recoverable by rsync
20:50
<warren>
johnny, better supported filesystems support that too
20:50
SuSE pushed hard with reiser3 as default, but they later backed away from it
20:51
just more expensive to support
20:51
the early performance benefits of reiser were later matched by even ext3
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(depending on how you set it up)
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<petre>
warren, what's the url for the k12linux-dev wiki?
20:52
<warren>
petre, https://fedorahosted.org/k12linux/
20:52
<petre>
finally got fc8 installed on my laptop and ready to jump back in
20:52
<warren>
I'm working on LiveUSB K12Linux before fixing more bugs
20:52
so it is easier to test it out (and thus easier to fix those bugs)
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<petre>
are you booting virtual machines with that, for testing?
20:53
or how do you test it?
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<warren>
petre, entire point of live images is to boot it on anything
20:53
petre, whatever machine I have
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<petre>
I saw your message about having a live DVD; sounds like a good idea
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<warren>
petre, live dvd is one way, but I like USB better =)
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<petre>
why?
20:54
faster?
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<warren>
much faster
20:55
petre, and if you have a 2GB USB stick, you can use optional persistence
20:55
<petre>
I like DVDs because they're cheap to give out
20:55
the local MicroCenter has 16GB USB sticks for $60 now.
20:55
<warren>
petre, any changes you make during the live usage get written to the USB stick, so if you reboot all your changes are there. both rpm installs/upgrades and stuff in /home
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<petre>
smaller sizes are proportional in cost
20:56
<warren>
petre, oh, but you gotta watch out for USB sticks... slow hurts a lot
20:56
some brands are VERY VERY FAST and LiveUSB is much faster than booting a normal system
20:56
on a hard drive
20:56
<petre>
faster than hard drive?
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<warren>
petre, Sandisk (one of the slowest) however... extremely slow, crawls.
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petre, if you buy the right one.
20:57
<petre>
what brands do you suggest?
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<warren>
petre, difficult to know for sure, because some brands were previously good, but later sold the same model # with cheaper flash =(
20:58
slow
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<petre>
I suspect the bulk ones I mentioned are slow, since they're cheap, focus on capacity
20:59
<warren>
sometimes you want capacity
20:59
but LiveUSB is not one of those times
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<petre>
how long does it take to create the image? Is it an ISO image you create and then put on the stick?
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<warren>
petre, I recently bought a Corsair 8GB from Amazon, advertised 16MB/sec write speeds. I was a victim. It was only 4MB/sec.
21:00
still faster than Sandisk so it is OK...
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petre, very time consuming to create image... most of it is downloading lots of RPMS.
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and F9 has a tool livecd-iso-to-disk which will install the ISO to the USB stick and setup the boot loader.
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petre, livecd creation can also be dangerous due to the selinux chroot issue
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<chupacabra>
johnny: mike
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<warren>
petre, installing selinux into a chroot actually replaces the host kernel's policies. This can be very bad in some cases.
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<chupacabra>
warren: hmm good call
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<petre>
how important is selinux in a live CD/DVD/USB situation? Could it be left out/off?
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<warren>
petre, could yes, but if you're making an official image for other people you might as well make it properly.
21:05
petre, you can install a real system onto hard drive from Live
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<petre>
I suppose if one is using live media for security reasons, having selinux off defeats half the purpose
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<warren>
petre, soon we might even have encrypted LiveUSB =)
21:06
petre, go to an internet cafe, boot a machine with your LiveUSB, do work, save everything to /home and shutdown.
21:06
petre, if your key is lost, your data is encrypted
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<petre>
that would be worthwhile, particularly in more hostile situations
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warren, you mentioned you didn't think a live image could be fit onto a CD, what with the chroot; is that because the chroot requires nearly another entire file system layout?
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<warren>
not an entire
21:10
maybe another 25%
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petre, in any case we can't fit openoffice
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<petre>
I suppose that's necessary for demoing to muggles (non-ltsp folks)
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<warren>
heh
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<petre>
although abiword's a good second hitter, much smaller and quicker, but not a whole suite
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<petre>
I think koffice is significantly smaller, and version 4 is looking promising
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<warren>
very promising that multiple suites use ODF
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<petre>
yes, although too bad about OOXML and its rigged ISO approval
21:15
although I largely consider MS irrelevant because they don't really do much interesting stuff
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<warren>
ogra_cmpc, wow, gvfs seems to work automatically in F9
21:24
ogra_cmpc, no setuid binary, no fuse group, and fuse just works
21:25* warren was a huge critic of gnome-vfs because it was so bad, and now GNOME seems to have done the right thing.
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<johnny>
chupacabra, i knew that
21:41
somehow
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<chupacabra>
hey dude
21:43
postnuke
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<johnny>
yes
21:44
that's it
21:44
guess we're post still kickin it in the OSS world :)
21:44
err both
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<chupacabra>
lol. trudat
21:44
I been wrong, i been right
21:45
still loyal to jim
21:45
<johnny>
?
21:45
<chupacabra>
and ltsp
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<johnny>
oh.. that jim
21:46
:)
21:46
was thinking jim mcdonald :)
21:46
<chupacabra>
goos friend
21:46
<johnny>
the postnuke api guy
21:46
<chupacabra>
good
21:46
ltsp guy
21:46
jamcq
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<hari_>
hi all... I'm installing ati radeon driver into chroot in ubuntu gutsy for ltsp environment. i have update and upgrade chroot repository
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<hari_>
when i do dpkg -i some driver *.deb installer it said that /proc in chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 is failed cause /proc contains no files or directory..
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do i just copy it from the ubuntu file system into chroot /proc?
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<hari_>
anyone know how to install graphic card into chroot for ltsp environment? rgds
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<johnny>
before going into the chroot, you could do mount -t proc none /path/to/chroot/proc
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<hari_>
johnny : thanks,
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now i have /proc in chroot.. will try install driver again now...
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<hari_>
hi johny: do i have to do the same for another directory that is not exist which is needed for install kernel into chroot?
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for example /lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/build not found in chroot but exist in ubuntu file system.. regds
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what type in mount command do i have to use to make mount that directory above. because when i used mount -t build none /path/to/chroot i get message unknown filesystem type 'build'
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johny : your first guideline works fine for mounting proc directory
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<johnny>
yes, the -t is for filesystem type
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build isn't a filesystem
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proc is
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hari_, i know somebody who knows more about ubuntu's restricted module workings
23:17
and what it needs can help
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you found nothing via a search engine?
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<hari_>
thanks, i don't find yet from goole installing graphic card driver in chroot.. there some error when doing in chroot compare to install it in normal ubuntu filesystem
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i keep workingon it, thanks
23:19
will ask ogra_mpcp when he is online
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<johnny>
i'm just glad i didn't have to use the proprietary driver for mine
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<hari_>
i'm trying to install the same graphic card for client and server
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in ltsp environment
23:20
<johnny>
my server is also a desktop sorta
23:20
but otherwise i wouldn't care what card is in it
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<hari_>
i think it needs for playing game
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<johnny>
you play games on your ltsp server?
23:21
<hari_>
client can not play as good as server when the graphic card only use client's onboard
23:21
yes..
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