IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 4 December 2011   (all times are UTC)

00:02
<andygraybeals>
okay, starting over again :)
00:02
this time with the alternate installer for ubuntu
00:07
<cheche>
hi, I am testing boot up on this old dell system and somehow there is a problem with the graphics card. How do I debug this problem?
00:10
<andygraybeals>
hey cheche, your further along than i am.. i started at 4am est :)
00:15
<cheche>
XSERVER = auto Does not seem to work on this system. i try to ctrl+F1 to get some info but it does not work
00:15
andygraybeals: :-)
00:15
andygraybeals: oh well there is friendly people down here :-)
00:16
<andygraybeals>
oh for sure, the best :)
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00:18
<vagrantc>
cheche: XSERVER = auto is essentially the default
00:21
<cheche>
vagrantc: I have try XSERVER= vesa and still not working. is there a way that I can debug what is the error?
00:26
<vagrantc>
yes, although i'm a bit tied up at the moment unfortunately
00:27
<cheche>
check the system, i found out that is a PII with 350Mhz maybe this spec is a bit low for this...
00:32
vagrantc: is there anything that can stop the boot up process (like recovery mode)
00:41
vagrantc: is a ATI Mach64 card. so i make a XSERVER =ati and then the boot up process loops itself.
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05:05
<andygraybeals>
aight, got it to work finally - i have no idea what i was doing wrong
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06:21
<alkisg>
cheche: SCREEN_02=shell will give you a command prompt without X
06:21
From there, you can run X -configure, to see if X can somehow configure your graphics card
06:22
lspci -nn -k | grep -A 2 VGA will show the pciid and the driver in use, which will be very helpful in googling
06:22
And, nomodeset may work around your problem
06:22
!nomodeset
06:22
<ltsp>
alkisg: nomodeset: Unfortunately, Kernel Mode Setting (KMS) doesn't work well with some cards. To disable it, open /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.cfg/default and replace "quiet splash" with "nomodeset".
06:23
<alkisg>
A PII @ 350MHz is fine as long as it has 128 MB RAM
06:23
It's also doable with 64MB, but it requires editing some configuration files
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11:52
<andygraybeals>
i got ldap and ltsp to work :)
11:52
awesome!
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12:00
<khildin>
good work andygraybeals.... did you use zentyal server for ldap?
12:00
<andygraybeals>
khildin, yes, zentyal - i doubt i could have done it without.
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12:01
<andygraybeals>
the one thing that is bothering me is that -- it asks for a 'proxy' user to login to the db to read the information; is there such an account? i just put the 'root' account into this place.
12:03
<khildin>
root with root credentials or a sudoer account?
12:04
probably bencer/Jorge can give you some pointers on this....
12:05
<bencer>
uhm
12:05
<khildin>
he's alive!
12:05
lol
12:05
<bencer>
:)
12:05
andygraybeals: are you using just ltsp or ltsp-cluster?
12:06
<andygraybeals>
hm... well i followed the instructions on the cluster page (the client install ones)
12:06
i'm not running a cluster
12:06
i thought that is what i was supposed to do.
12:06
in all honesty if it isn't... i'm fine with starting again from scratch.
12:06
i want to document this so i can do it for real at work.
12:07
<khildin>
^^ please do document... :)
12:08
<bencer>
andygraybeals: i don't know about what kind of db login could be
12:08
i only set up ltsp without cluster mode, and no db involved in that for sure
12:08
<khildin>
LDAP db?
12:09
<bencer>
that should be working out of the box with zentyal
12:09
nothing to do there
12:09
once that pam is enabled
12:10
<andygraybeals>
hmm..
12:10
yes, pam,was disabled for a while.. tripped me up
12:10
<khildin>
is that the trick: enabling pam and using local accounts instead of ldap accounts for ltsp??
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12:11
<andygraybeals>
but it assk for 'root' dn & password then 'proxy' dn & password.. i don't think there is a proxy
12:11
<bencer>
uhm i don't know what question is that
12:11
<andygraybeals>
after i eneabled pam on zentyal.. i could login to ltsp
12:11
bencer oviously i messed something up
12:11
it happened twice.
12:11
<bencer>
enabling pam on zentyal allows login in the system with users from ldap
12:12
<andygraybeals>
i think it happened with in ran the installer for the 'zenyal-desktop' onto the ltsp server.
12:12
<khildin>
maybe the proxy is part of the cluster setup...
12:12
<bencer>
andygraybeals: that's the problem, yes
12:12
<andygraybeals>
khildin, yes, maybe so.
12:12
<bencer>
you don't need that
12:12
<andygraybeals>
okay awesome i screwed up.
12:12
<bencer>
as with ltsp apps run on the server
12:12
<andygraybeals>
i will re-install today.
12:12
<bencer>
you don't need zentyal-desktop
12:12
just enable pam
12:12
and that will be enough
12:12
<andygraybeals>
wait wait... then how do i configure ldap?
12:13
<khildin>
nothing to configure on ldap i guess....
12:13
<andygraybeals>
so i got zentyal server, then i got ltsp server. right? i need ltsp server to talk to ldap server for auth.
12:14
i thought it would be easy enough for me to install 'zentyal-desktop' onto ltsp server.. so i could make that connection happen.
12:14
<bencer>
andygraybeals: its very easy
12:14
you are making it messy
12:15
1.- clean install, enable users, enable pam on users module
12:15
2.- install ltsp-standalone-server, ltsp-build-image
12:15
<andygraybeals>
oh on the same machine.
12:15
<khildin>
:)
12:15
<bencer>
3.- configure the pxe on dhcp zentyal module
12:16
<andygraybeals>
okay, thank you bencer.. ihave to rethink this.
12:16
i understand what yhou said.
12:17
i was thinking i would have two seperate machines.
12:17
i guess i don't know why i was thinking in such a way though.
12:18
<khildin>
you still can do it on 2 seperate machines and on the 'ltsp machine' only install users and groups module in slave mode
12:19
might be wise to run ltsp on a dedicated server
12:20
<andygraybeals>
khildin, so i can install the zentyal ppa onto my ltsp machine, then load 'users and groups' module in slave mode?
12:20
<bencer>
andygraybeals: yes
12:20
<andygraybeals>
nice
12:21
<khildin>
bencer: does it work the other way around? I mean: first install ltsp and then add zentyal users and groups?
12:22
<bencer>
yes
12:22
<khildin>
good to know.. :)
12:34
<andygraybeals>
khildin, what have you been doing to get it to work?
12:38
<khildin>
I haven't tried it yet... just brainstorming... :P
12:39
<andygraybeals>
nice
12:39
sounds like your further ahead than i am :)
12:39
<khildin>
i have been playing with ltsp before... but not together wit zentyal
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12:42
<andygraybeals>
yes, i'm prettty happy - -i got fat clients working.. and i got a competely virtual environment working! now to get this ldap part down!
12:45
<khildin>
nice...
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16:29
<andygraybeals>
is it best to just purge compiz?
16:30
also network-manager ?
16:31
is anyone looking forward to ubuntu 12.04 lts ?
16:34
<alkisg>
andygraybeals: you don't need to purge them, just don't use them if you don't want them. Sure, many people are looking forward to 12.04 :)
16:34
<andygraybeals>
is there anything bad that would come of purging them?
16:35
<alkisg>
apps that depend on network-manager will get deinstalled
16:35
<andygraybeals>
hm.. so for your ltsp server, what do you do?
16:35
<alkisg>
You'll get prompted of course
16:36
I'm using network manager, and I just tell gnome that I don't want to use compiz
16:36
Also, if you use /etc/network/interfaces, network-manager will automatically stop messing with your network card
16:36
<andygraybeals>
do you use two nics, one that provide dhcpd service to the clients?
16:36
aaaah.. really?
16:37
<alkisg>
In some of the 250 schools here, yes, we use 2 nics
16:37
But we usually prefer the 1 nic setup. And if some one has 2 nics, we use them for bonding, to speed up things
16:37
<andygraybeals>
aah you prefer the 1 nic setup, why is this?
16:37
<alkisg>
It's easier
16:38
People can use a router for dhcp server, they can have fat clients without nat, they can dual boot to windows again without nat...
16:38
<andygraybeals>
i dont' know how to do bonding yet :)
16:38
<alkisg>
They can work on windows with the ltsp server turned off, etc etc
16:38
<andygraybeals>
alkisg, okay cool.
16:40
<khildin>
andy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwB_iV4K_7E
16:41
<andygraybeals>
i was just reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBonding
16:41
i will awatch the vidoe too :)
16:41
<khildin>
:)
16:48
<andygraybeals>
i was thinking that it might be a good idea to run ltsp-server in as a virtual machine, what are your thoughts in general about this?
16:52* vagrantc runs everything virtualized
16:52
<andygraybeals>
nice
16:52
do you run drbd as well?
16:52
<vagrantc>
depending on your hardware and technology, you might take a performance hit
16:52
haven't played with the hot failover stuff ... really should
16:53
<andygraybeals>
do you use two seperate switches in case one dies?
16:53
<alkisg>
vagrantc, why everything virtualized? I understand that for windows servers, but linux is sooo easy to migrate to other hardware...
16:54
<vagrantc>
alkisg: to be able to create/remove/reboot servers over ssh, mainly
16:55
<alkisg>
Ah, yeah, remote administration is a very good reason
16:55
<vagrantc>
alkisg: and the flexibility it allows for dist-upgrades ... i can have a full system backup and revert pretty trivially
16:55
and have done so more than once
16:55
<khildin>
maybe max used of hardware. Why have 3 boxes that each have a 5% resource use?
16:55
<vagrantc>
that too
16:55
<alkisg>
For backup, well, I do it do, with real hardware, just a tar locally, or tar | nc over network
16:56
<andygraybeals>
vagrantc, do you use libvirt / kvm ? how do you revert back?
16:56
<alkisg>
For LTSP we usually need 3 servers for 1 setup instead of 1 server serving 3 setups :D
16:56
<vagrantc>
andygraybeals: mostly use xen, but am planning on switching over to libvirt with kvm
16:57
that said, our thin clients are served by an underpowered xen instance :)
16:57
<andygraybeals>
alkisg, becuase yuor clustering it?
16:57
<vagrantc>
well, the application servers are underpowered ... the actual LTSP part of LTSP runs just fine on a virtual machine.
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<andygraybeals>
vagrantc, do you physically map a virtual nic to a hardware nic? on any of your systems?
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17:13
<andygraybeals>
alkisg, what bonding mode do you normally use?
17:13
it looks like there are 7 different modes, 0-6
17:14
<alkisg>
andygraybeals: I documented my one and only experience with bonding there: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/Trunking
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17:14
<alkisg>
I helped other teachers here use bonding, but only remotely
17:14
<andygraybeals>
thank you
17:15
<alkisg>
bond-mode 0 => supported by all switches
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<andygraybeals>
is the command to disable gconf this: gconftool-2 --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager --type string metacity
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<alkisg>
!disable-compiz
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<ltsp>
alkisg: disable-compiz: To disable compiz for all users, run: sudo gconftool-2 --direct --config-source xml:readwrite:/etc/gconf/gconf.xml.mandatory --type string --set /desktop/gnome/session/required_components/windowmanager metacity
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<andygraybeals>
thank you
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<Hyperbyte>
I am so glad this part of the office move is finally done... http://twitpic.com/7ocqdp
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:)
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<andygraybeals>
nice!!
22:31
what kind of cable organizer are you using behind the patch panel?
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is it a simple arm, or something else?
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<Hyperbyte>
Arm?
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<Hyperbyte>
andygraybeals, I have no idea what you mean with 'organizer'
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<vagrantc>
cable management?
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<Hyperbyte>
The cables are going through an opening in the patch panel, and they're all bundled together with velcro, and then tied to the ceiling
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Nothing really too fancy, I guess.
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