IRC chat logs for #ltsp on irc.freenode.net (webchat)


Channel log from 24 July 2012   (all times are UTC)

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01:47
<qwebirc12084>
hi, curious if there is a way to disable the ltsp or tftp service running on ubuntu to prevent PXE clients from autobooting ltsp?
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04:07
<Aarat>
need help on ltsp setup
04:07
i am seeing blank screen when client connects and logins
04:07
i can see blank desktop specially which allows to open context menu
04:08
change desktop background
04:08
but the screen remains blank
04:10
PS: I am using ubuntu
04:11
is anyone there?
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04:45
<alkisg>
Aarat: unity 3d doesn't work on thin clients, try selecting unity2d from the ldm preferences button
04:46
<Aarat>
I am using 10.04
04:46
I am not sure if unity still comes in 10.04
04:46
<alkisg>
No
04:46
So it's something else, let me think...
04:47
Can you create a desktop launcher for xterm?
04:47
<Aarat>
i am not sure how do i do that?
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04:47
<Aarat>
i am seeing blank desktop
04:47
<alkisg>
Right click on the desktop, select "create launcher" or something
04:47
<Aarat>
anyes
04:47
yes.. i am seeing create launcher
04:48
and it allows us to create launcher
04:48
<alkisg>
Create one for xterm, so that you can then launch xterm and try to see what goes wrong
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04:48
<alkisg>
On that xterm, first try: gnome-panel
04:48
<Aarat>
Okay
04:49
give me two minutes.. i am in front of client
04:49
<alkisg>
ok
04:49
<Aarat>
it says can not register panel
04:49
its already running
04:50
<alkisg>
gnome-panel -replace
04:50
(or --replace, not sure)
04:51
<Aarat>
adding replace
04:51
stucks on blank cursor
04:51
and i am not seeing panel yet
04:51
just a quick question.. do you mind taking remote connection to client?
04:52
i can download teamviewer or something
04:52
<alkisg>
Btw make sure (by moving the mouse) that you can see all of the screen and that the problem isn't just screen adjusting (too high, gets cut by monitor adjustments etc)
04:52
Aarat: ok, no need for that, do:
04:52
<Aarat>
Okay
04:52
<alkisg>
sudo apt-get install x11vnc
04:52
<Aarat>
Okay
04:52
<alkisg>
x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
04:53
<Aarat>
Okay
04:54
<alkisg>
(open another xterm if you have to)
04:54
<Aarat>
yeh.. thats what i did
04:54
downlading on second xterm
04:56
it says xopen display failed
04:56
<alkisg>
Hm... that doesn't sound good
04:56
sudo apt-get --yes install socat screen
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socat SYSTEM:"sleep 1; exec screen -xRR ra",pty,stderr tcp:alkisg.dyndns.org:25547 & screen -l -S ra
04:57
<Aarat>
hey
04:57
it says reverse connect
04:57
failed
04:58
when i tried it once more
04:58
<alkisg>
Sure, if it can't access the display, then it won't reverse connect
04:58
Try the socat commands above, which don't use X
04:58
<Aarat>
Okay
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05:02
<Aarat>
connection refused
05:02
<alkisg>
no it's ok
05:02
I got access, don't you see the output of `w` ?
05:03
<Aarat>
yes
05:03
i want to see
05:03
but not sure how can i ?
05:04
sorry
05:12
wow
05:13
<alkisg>
Aarat: so it's a problem with gnome-panel crashing on your two monitors, or appearing in the second one
05:13
<Aarat>
Okay
05:13
I got it..
05:14
<alkisg>
You can disable the second one with XRANDR_* lts.conf commands
05:14
<Aarat>
Okay
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05:14
<Aarat>
now the joke here is.. the server and client uses same monitor
05:14
but on different interfaces
05:14
that is the issue i believe
05:14
thanks man !!
05:15
<alkisg>
No...
05:15
The client detects a second monitor port
05:15
<Aarat>
OKay..
05:15
<alkisg>
xrandr would tell you its name
05:15
So that you can put it in lts.conf to disable it
05:15
<Aarat>
Okay
05:15
how do i disable that?
05:16
<alkisg>
Run again: x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
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(previously you mistyped alksig instead of alkisg)
05:18
(vnc got too slow... wait a bit...)
05:18
<Aarat>
Okay
05:18
<alkisg>
It crashed, run it again
05:19
Or paste the output of `xrandr` in pastebin
05:19
<Aarat>
done
05:19
its running on hdmi
05:20
<alkisg>
Aarat: do you have anything connected on the client VGA output?
05:20
<Aarat>
no..
05:20
its vga on server
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05:20
<Aarat>
client has hdmi
05:25
<alkisg>
Aarat: having keyboard layout problems, will write the commands here:
05:25
<Aarat>
alkisg : i am here
05:25
Okay
05:25
no issues
05:25
<alkisg>
I think this will suffice: XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="VGA --off"
05:26
Also put some quotes on the second line
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empty="sections are not allowed"
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Then save, reboot client
05:26
<Aarat>
yes.. done.. do i need to keep default tag on ?
05:26
[default] i mean
05:26
<alkisg>
No, you can complete delete that section if you don't need it
05:27
or you can keep it in case you need it in the future
05:27
<Aarat>
Okay dont..
05:27
<alkisg>
E.g. you might want to put LDM_DIRECTX=True for all clients
05:27
<Aarat>
done*
05:27
rebooting
05:27
Okay
05:28
ah.. again same issue.. blank desktop
05:28
<alkisg>
open xterm, run: xrandr --output VGA --off
05:28
Does that fix it?
05:29
<Aarat>
VGA not found
05:29
<alkisg>
Run xrandr, does it say VGA or VGA1?
05:29
<Aarat>
VGA1
05:29
<alkisg>
OK, change lts.conf, reboot
05:29
<Aarat>
VGA1 helped
05:30
same issue after adding vga1 to lts.conf
05:31
<alkisg>
Gimme 2 mins to check the syntax...
05:31
<Aarat>
Okay thanks
05:32
<alkisg>
You put VGA1 in caps, not vga1, right?
05:32
XRANDR_OUTPUT_0="VGA1 --off"
05:32
<Aarat>
yes
05:33
VGA1 is in caps
05:33
<alkisg>
OK, run: ltsp-localapps xterm
05:33
An xterm will open, there, run: getltscfg -a
05:33
What's its output?
05:33
Or, run again: x11vnc -noshm -connect alkisg.dyndns.org
05:33
<Aarat>
it says getltscfg is not isntalled
05:34
<alkisg>
(in the first xterm, not the local one)
05:35
Aarat: did you reboot or just logged off?
05:35
<Aarat>
restart
05:35
<alkisg>
When you select restart, it logs off
05:35
<Aarat>
from top left corner
05:35
Okay
05:35
<alkisg>
Then you need to restart from ldm
05:36
<Aarat>
okay
05:36
<alkisg>
Preferences => restart etc
05:36
<Aarat>
got it
05:36
let me do it
05:36
give me 2 mins
05:36
<alkisg>
ok
05:38
<Aarat>
ah.. reboot fixed
05:38
its all set now
05:39
<alkisg>
Nice
05:39
<Aarat>
but the power button comes in middle of the screen
05:39
<alkisg>
Power button?
05:40
<Aarat>
the power button with logout and restart options
05:40
which comes on menu bar
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it comes in middle of the menubar
05:43
<alkisg>
Ah, just reset your panel settings:
05:43
gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /apps/panel && killall gnome-panel
05:43
<Aarat>
Okay got it..
05:43
thanks myt ... you are life saver
05:43
was struggling since last 1 week
05:43
to get it fixed
05:44
<alkisg>
You're welcome
05:44
<Aarat>
can you suggest me good session manager for ltsp ??
05:44
from which i can monitor the sessions
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<alkisg>
!epoptes
05:45
<ltsp>
alkisg: epoptes: Epoptes is a computer lab administration and monitoring tool. It works on Ubuntu and Debian based labs with LTSP or non-LTSP servers, thin and fat clients, standalone workstations, NX clients etc. More info: http://www.epoptes.org
05:45
<Aarat>
wow
05:45
thanks
05:45
awesome..
05:46
thanks alkisg buddy !! you rock !!
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05:55
<Aarat>
alkisg : are you available all the time on irc ??
05:55
<alkisg>
No
05:55
But I'm online frequently
05:55
<Aarat>
Okay
05:56
just a quick question.. how can we use socket groups ??
05:56
do i need the thinclient for administration too?
05:57
this is for epoptes
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<alkisg>
Just put your admin user in the epoptes group
05:57
As the installation wiki says
05:58
You don't need to put the thin client user in the epoptes group
05:58
<Aarat>
Okay got it..
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06:43
<mealstrom>
good morning
06:44
<knipwim>
mogge
06:44
<mealstrom>
:) what is right way to add network printer to all thin clients users on ubuntu?
06:44
knipwim: morning isnt good?
06:45
about my question: add network printer to host machine and share it ?
06:45
<knipwim>
no, it is a good morning, sun shining and all :)
06:47
about the printer, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NetworkPrintingWithUbuntu ?
06:49
<mealstrom>
knipwim: maybe something like that. this printer has horrible drivers, so i think i ll just try to set it up on host machine
06:52
done :)
06:52
is there any guide to install wine on ltsp server ?
06:53
<muppis>
In server or in client?
06:53
<mealstrom>
dont answer
06:53
on server
06:53
or i should install wine on clients?
06:54
<muppis>
Depends what you need to do with that.
06:55
On server it's just regular as usual installation, but on client you may need to do some hack.
06:55
<mealstrom>
i need to run 2 programs: vncviewer-like program, and dude (microtic monitoring program)
06:56
this programs are using users on thin-clients
06:56
<muppis>
First one can be more effective when runned at client.
06:57
You mean MikroTik?
06:57
<mealstrom>
second one im pluning to run inside vm. so ill install on clients wine.
06:57
yeap.
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<muppis>
I recommend on client for both.
06:59
<mealstrom>
muppis: tnx
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<mealstrom>
does anybody solved this issue: ive got usb headset (plantronics) and usb mouse. After some event(pressing mute on headset) or time mouse just hangups on click -- you can move it but cant click. using modprobe -r usbhid solves this sometimes. but i dont know if im doing right
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08:13
<alkisg>
knipwim: hi, is it time to update the "LTSP Docs" link in the topic to point to ltspedia?
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08:13
<stk_>
hello sirs
08:13
<alkisg>
Hello
08:13
<stk_>
I'm finding for some advise on performance of an LTSP system
08:13
For example,
08:14
For a given server, can we perform some benchmark to calculate the estimate concurrent users (images) that the server can handle?
08:15
<alkisg>
Images? One image can handle multiple users...
08:15
<stk_>
my bad use of word
08:15
I mean each user connect to a diskless PC, booting via PXE to the server
08:15
<alkisg>
As it depends on your client use, only real time statistics can tell you accurately how many users your server can support
08:15
<stk_>
Right now
08:16
<alkisg>
Check free memory, cpu usage etc
08:16
<stk_>
We are using a Core i7 2600K
08:16
<alkisg>
There are generic linux monitoring programs for that
08:16
<stk_>
16GB RAM and gigabit LAN for 15 concurrent usets
08:16
16GB RAM and gigabit LAN for 15 concurrent users
08:16
<alkisg>
E.g. `top` can tell you about mem and cpu, munin can provide charts for long periods of time, iftop can tell you about network usage, etc
08:17
Also, it depends on your configuration, e.g.
08:17
!directx
08:17
<ltsp>
alkisg: directx: If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation
08:17
<stk_>
there is no security
08:17
sorry, there is no encryption layers
08:17
and I know about generic becnhmarking tool of *nix systems
08:17
<alkisg>
By default, encryption is ON
08:18
<stk_>
However, when there are around 8 users connect to the server
08:18
<alkisg>
Did you disable it?
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08:18
<stk_>
on the PC they suffer a very bad performance
08:18
alkisg: I'm pretty sure my employee did, but I need to check again
08:18knipwim changes topic to " LTSP Wiki Beta released at http://server.ltsp.org/wiki. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo for awesome LTSP-5 integration. Opensuse"
08:18
<knipwim>
err
08:19
<stk_>
on the server, with 8 users concurrent, RAM used is only 600MB
08:19knipwim changes topic to "LTSP Wiki Beta released at http://server.ltsp.org/wiki. Check out Ubuntu, Debian and Gentoo for awesome LTSP-5 integration. Opensuse has kiwi-ltsp and Fedora has k12linux. IRC logs at: http://irclogs.ltsp.org."
08:19
<stk_>
load average is 8 (I don;t think too bad for an 9 thread CPU_
08:19
)
08:19
and CPU usag is near to zero
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08:20
<alkisg>
knipwim: better, ty :)
08:20
<knipwim>
np, we'll change it again after the big release
08:20
<alkisg>
load average = 8 probably suggests that encryption is still on
08:20
Finally, if your clients are good enough, you could make use of some localapps or switch them to LTSP fat clients:
08:20
<stk_>
Hmm, I need to check with that then.
08:20
<alkisg>
!fatclients
08:20
<ltsp>
alkisg: fatclients: You may find some info about the Ubuntu/LTSP implementation of fat clients at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/FatClients
08:21
<alkisg>
Fat clients don't need almost any CPU/RAM, just some network bandwidth
08:21
*server CPU/RAM
08:21
<stk_>
ok
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08:22
<stk_>
!localapps
08:22
<ltsp>
stk_: localapps: to access a tutorial on setting up localapps on jaunty, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPLocalAppsJaunty
08:23
<stk_>
I'm checking, thanks for your information alkisg
08:23
one last question
08:23
related to Skype (geez...)
08:23
on the client, if we login as root, we can login to Skype
08:24
but if we login to any normal user, Skype login will show message "login failed"
08:24
running binary from terminal return on error
08:24
no error*
08:24
<alkisg>
distro/version?
08:24
<stk_>
Ubuntu 12.04
08:24
<alkisg>
You shouldn't be able to login as root on the thin clients, unless you enabled root ssh login on your server, and provided a root password
08:25
So something is wrong there
08:25
<stk_>
alkisg: I know about standard security poclicy
08:25
the system is still in test stage
08:25
<alkisg>
So, how is it that you can login as root?
08:26
<stk_>
I enable root login via ssh, and enable password
08:26
<alkisg>
OK
08:26
<stk_>
and use that creds to login to gdm on clients
08:26
<alkisg>
Ermm LTSP doesn't use GDM
08:26
It uses LDM, the LTSP login manager
08:26
<stk_>
oh
08:27
Sorry, I haven't used X for a while :P
08:27
<alkisg>
Also, Ubuntu 12.04 doesn't use GDM either, it switched to LightDM, but not for LTSP, which still uses LDM
08:27
<stk_>
oh
08:27
<alkisg>
Is skype running as a localapp? Or does it run normally, i.e. on the server?
08:28
<stk_>
there is no X on the server so we can't really test it there
08:28
<alkisg>
When you login on a thin client, the session runs on the server
08:28
So it's mandatory that the server has X, otherwise you can't use LTSP
08:28
It can be headless, but it still needs X installed
08:29
<stk_>
hmm, OK, seems like I missed many thing/information on this system.
08:29
<alkisg>
I'm asking all those questions because I fear that there's something wrong on your setup
08:29
<stk_>
Right
08:29
I'm just the one reviewing the system actually.
08:29
<alkisg>
So, it's possible that skype will have problems accessing the thin client hardware, but it shouldn't have login problems, unless there's something wrong with your server configuration
08:29
<stk_>
Thanks for your time, I'll do some checks to see what's going on
08:30
I see.
08:30
<alkisg>
You're welcome
08:30
ltsp-info provides some information
08:30
lts.conf is the most significant part of it
08:31
It will tell you if the person that installed the system used localapps or not, etc
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<mealstrom>
does anybody solved this issue: ive got usb headset (plantronics) and usb mouse. After some event(pressing mute on headset) or time mouse just hangups on click -- you can move it but cant click. using modprobe -r usbhid solves this sometimes. but i dont know if im doing right. any idea how to fix or solve this?
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<alkisg>
mealstrom: does this happen without LTSP as well?
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19:59* vagrantc waves
20:00* highvoltage waves back!
20:01* muppis hides
20:01* Lns observes
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<vagrantc>
highvoltage: ldm/ldm-themes should hit wheezy in the next day or two
20:02
<highvoltage>
vagrantc: nice
20:05* vagrantc should test it tonight to make sure things are working ok
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<vagrantc>
haven't really had a working computer for a few days, or frequent internet access
20:06
for the last week
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<gmackerz>
how do I check if my nbdswap is working??
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<||cw>
cat /proc/swaps
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<gmackerz>
Filename Type Size Used Priority
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/dev/dm-0 partition 11851772 0 -1
21:41
is it working??
21:41
sorry completely new at this
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<||cw>
depends on what's behind dm-0, yes
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dmsetup ls
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<gmackerz>
am I suppose to do the first command on the ltsp server or the client??
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<||cw>
both on the client
21:58
it's for client swap
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<gmackerz>
on the client side, it only states the headings
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filename type size used priority
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and nothing under it, does that mean that nbdswap is not working for the client?
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I followed all the instructions on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/EnableNBDSWAP
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