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Channel log from 10 May 2007   (all times are UTC)

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<ball>
In the LTSP documentation, does "Etherboot" refer to a boot ROM on a network interface?
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<ball>
hello marek82
01:15
Ah, I found it... a forward reference ;-)
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<marek82>
hi ball
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<ball>
hello Q-FUNK
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<Q-FUNK>
hello
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<ball>
hello ogra
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<ogra>
morning
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<ball>
hello vanya
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<vanya>
hi
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<ball>
hello vagrantc
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<vagrantc>
ball: hi
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<ball>
hello Burgundavia
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<Burgundavia>
morning ball
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<ball>
hello siji
02:36
(namaste)
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<ball>
hello jammcq
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<ogra>
ball, are you a bot ?
02:39* ball nods
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<ball>
No, not really :-)
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<ogra>
heh :)
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<ogra>
you looked a bit like one by saying the same all the time if people join ;)
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<ball>
I'm just a welcoming kind of chap ;-)
02:41
<ogra>
:)
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<Nikopoika>
my clients freezes for some reason when trying to start them... it loads & mounts all succesfully but then freezes with followin text: "rc.sysinit completed, switching to multi-session mode"
03:12
then nothing happens, not sure have i forgotted something?..
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<jammcq>
what version of LTSP ?
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<Nikopoika>
4.2
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<jammcq>
was this an upgrade from 3.x ?
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<Nikopoika>
nope, clean install
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<jammcq>
check you lts.conf file, you are probably missing the line that says:
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SCREEN_01 = startx
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<Nikopoika>
hmm.. there was line SCREEN_01 = shell
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<jammcq>
well, that should at least give you a shell prompot
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<Nikopoika>
yeah..
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<skyion>
hey hey
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how is everyone?
04:37
anyone have ideas as to NFS / Ubuntu / LTSP
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ltsp pxe file is booting
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im getting read connection refused
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on the client side
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the only unhashed line on my side is
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/opt/ltsp * 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0(rw,sync)
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<vagrantc>
you'll want (ro,no_root_squash,async)
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heh.
04:42* vagrantc wonders how rw,sync ended up in there.
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<vagrantc>
not that loudly
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<ogra>
you dont sit next to him
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<vagrantc>
yeah, i'm a whole two seats away
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<muh2000>
mage portmap was allready running.
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<jammcq>
ok, jammcq is awake now
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<muh2000>
but still nfs/RPC error. :/
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<mEDUXa>
hi, did you guys met yesterday Mario from TCOS?
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<Burgundavia>
mEDUXa: yep
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<mEDUXa>
ok
05:36
any conclusion about it?
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<ogra>
he came very late in the evening yesterday and is on a different conference until friday afternoon
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<Burgundavia>
ask ogra
05:39
<ogra>
we have proposed a scheduled slot for friday afternoon
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<mEDUXa>
ah, he is in sevilla's college conf since he is going to recieve a price
05:42
as the winner of best Free software college project related with operative systems
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<ogra>
intresting ..
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<mEDUXa>
it was a national championship
05:45
MAX, the edu distro from madrid has incorporated it
05:45
so it is going to be in thousands of computers in madrid
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<ogra>
well, essentially its just reimplementing ltsp4.2 without nfsroot ... sadly that brings back all problems of ltsp4.2 wrt maintainance
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... the high maintenance load was the reason we created ltsp5
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<mEDUXa>
I see
05:56
interesting point
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<mEDUXa>
I know many people in spain thinking about switching from ltsp 4.2 to TCOS instead of ltsp5
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<ogra>
it is a really nice project but he will have a fulltime job maintaining it ...
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<mEDUXa>
it would be nice to have your opinion about TCOS
05:57
to let people know the
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<ogra>
(beyond the fact that you have to shut down your whole network and rebuild everything if there is a security update for any of the stuff he uses)
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<mEDUXa>
differences and the consecuencces of doing that
05:58
your knowledge
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about terminals and the knowledges related with systems in production
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is the kind of ideas that helps people to take decisions, not just based in technical stuff
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<ogra>
right, i wont give any detailed comment before we had our session tomorrow .... but i'm fine to put up a comparison between the two afterwards
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<mEDUXa>
and I think you guys can help with that
06:00
that would be really helpful
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<ogra>
:)
06:00
he's a really nice guy as well
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<mEDUXa>
since we have some ltsp system in production we can colaborate with you on that if you need it
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yes, mario is a great guy, the kind that wants to learn more and a hard and motivated worker
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<Envite>
Hello all from Spain
06:33
Hola a todos desde España
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<geotux>
.
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<geotux>
.
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<Nikopoika>
hi, i'm having problems with allowing clients to write "stuff" to the syslog...
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<vagrantc>
Nikopoika: linux distro ?
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<Nikopoika>
i tried to add "syslog udp/514" into /etc/services file but it didn't seemed to have effect
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vagrantc: manrdiva 2007.1
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*mandriva
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<vagrantc>
/etc/services is just a list of names for commonly used services
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you'll need to configure your syslog init scripts
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<Nikopoika>
sounds difficult :D
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<vagrantc>
not really.
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in debian, you just set SYSLOGD="-r" for example
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<cliebow_>
yeah..
08:42* vagrantc will not attempt to guess where mandriva put it
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<Nikopoika>
:D
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<Gadi>
Nikopoika: look in /etc/sysconfig/ or /etc/default/
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<Gadi>
see if there is a syslogd or sysklogd file there
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<Nikopoika>
found it
08:45
it worked, thx a lot guys :)
08:45
the file wew
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*were at /etc/sysconfig/
08:46
sry for my bad english
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<MrChicken>
Hello
08:53
Can anybody help me out set up a floppy as a local device?
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<laurentdd>
hello
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<MrChicken>
I have LOCALDEV=TRUE
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what else do I need
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<Envite>
MrChicken: ltsp 4.1 or 4.2 ?
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<MrChicken>
ltsp5
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<Envite>
huh
09:03
no idea, sorry
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<vagrantc>
MrChicken: which distro?
09:07
<MrChicken>
ummm I'm using a tarball of ... Ubuntu
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<vagrantc>
MrChicken: and what's the server's distro?
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<MrChicken>
sorry
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<mhterres>
morning
09:08
<MrChicken>
debian etch tarball
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<vagrantc>
MrChicken: and what's the server's distro?
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<MrChicken>
and I'm running fedora core 5
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<vagrantc>
hrm.
09:08
you'll have to build ltspfs rpms and hope that the fuse is compatible with debian's
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<MrChicken>
and where do I find them?
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<geotux>
estou tendo problemas com a configuração do nfs no ltsp5, alguém ja passou por isto ?
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<vagrantc>
geotux: en ingleis?
09:13
geotux: /join ltsp-br
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<geotux>
o que seria ?
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<vagrantc>
geotux: in ltsp-br maybe you'll find someone who speaks portuguese
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<geotux>
ok, obrigado
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<MrChicken>
I am lost
09:17
Dont know where to get the ltspfs rpms for ltsp5
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<jammcq>
cuz there ain't any
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<vagrantc>
MrChicken: you have to build them yourself
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<MrChicken>
where do I get the source then?
09:18
I need to get the floppy working :/
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<vagrantc>
MrChicken: install debian or ubuntu
09:19
probably easier then
09:19
MrChicken: or get fedora to incorporate ltsp5
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<MrChicken>
Uhhh I'm in production right now ...
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<vagrantc>
http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/l/ltspfs/ltspfs_0.4.3+debian2.tar.gz
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godo luck.
09:20
good luck
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<mhterres>
Anybody here use feisty ltsp 5 with this config: dhcp server in a different computer than the nfs server ?
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<jammcq>
dhcp server is easy
09:25
just set next-server to point to your tftp server
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<highvoltage>
jammcq: http://www.arbitraryuser.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/03/howtospellandtypejonathan.png
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<joebob777as7>
hey i'm trying to copy all of my home directory into /etc/skel so my clients have the same settings but it isn't working even with root...
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<vagrantc>
joebob777as7: what are you trying to do?
10:42
joebob777as7: or rather, what is your goal?
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<highvoltage>
vagrantc: it seems that his idea is to customise the desktop for all new users
10:43
I think sabayon would work better, or setting system-wide gconf settings.
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<jammcq>
ogra: grab http://www.McQuil.com/init.txt
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vagrantc: grab http://www.McQuil.com/init.txt
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<mage>
switchroot eh?
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now i really feel behind the times
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<jammcq>
heh
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<vagrantc>
switchroot is old
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<mage>
how old is old ;)
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<jammcq>
it's not THAT old
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<mistik1>
switchroot?
11:36
switch_root() you mean?
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<jammcq>
mistik1: switchroot the command
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<mage>
so how does switchroot relate to chroot and pivot root?
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<jammcq>
switchroot replaces pivotroot
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pivotroot was used with initrd, for initramfs, we need switchroot
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<mistik1>
I thought so
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<mistik1>
jammcq: I was agreeing with you in that one, because I know it replaces pivotroot
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<skipper>
I need help
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<RichEd>
<RichEd> how can we help skipper ?
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<skipper> I am running 7.04 and when I try to run the Thin Client Manager it pegs by cpu usage to 100%
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<skipper>
right
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<RichEd>
<skipper> With 12 clients connected and the Thin client Manager not running I run at about 20% cpu usage
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skipper: see how helpful we are :)
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<skipper>
roger that
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<RichEd>
ogra: ^^
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<RichEd>
skipper: the guys are quite busy with the conference ... so you may have to wait for a bit for attention
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<skipper>
OK - I will be patient
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<jammcq>
!s
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<ltspbot`>
jammcq: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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<RichEd>
sbalneav / jammcq can you help skipper ?
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<skipper> I am running 7.04 and when I try to run the Thin Client Manager it pegs by cpu usage to 100%
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<skipper> With 12 clients connected and the Thin client Manager not running I run at about 20% cpu usage
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??
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<sbalneav>
hmm
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<cliebow_>
hmmm
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<skipper>
hmmm
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<cliebow_>
what process is sucking it up?
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<sbalneav>
cbx33 isn't around.
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<skipper>
The Thin Client manager
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<sbalneav>
Not sure how we'd debug that within the python interpreter
12:06
can you do a ps -ef , and see if it's launching any sub jobs?
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<skipper>
ok
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<sbalneav>
maybe it's stuck in a loop that's failing (i.e. it keeps launching something that fails, and it does it over and over)
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<skipper>
what am I looking for with "ps -ef"?
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<sbalneav>
could you paste the whole thing to the pastebot?
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!pastebot
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<ltspbot`>
sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.
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<skipper>
I am a newbie, so how do I get it to you?
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<sbalneav>
paste it to pastebot.ltsp.org
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it'll pop up here in the channel
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<skipper>
roger that
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<ltsppbot>
"skipper" pasted "UID PID PPID C STIME TTY TIME" (419 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/125
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<skipper>
that is cool!
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<bts3685|work>
anyone have any experience with setting up the ltsp system under debian?
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<sbalneav>
What does uptime report?
12:16
sorry, that was for skipper.
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bts3685|work: What seems to be the problem?
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<skipper>
How do I check that?
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<sbalneav>
run the "uptime" command
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<skipper>
rog..
12:18
I started it this morning, it's been up 12:57
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<bts3685|work>
sbalneav: oh, no problems yet. i was just looking for some tips/advice. i don't have a chance to sandbox it, but i have an install for it coming up
12:18
<sbalneav>
right, but what do the loadavgs look like right now?
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<highvoltage>
ticking away.. the moment that make up the dull day
12:18
*moments, even :)
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<skipper>
4.2 3.79 2.3
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<sbalneav>
Fritter and waste the hours in an offhand way
12:19
hmmm
12:20
start tcm, and then run top
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lets see if it rises to the top.
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<skipper>
ok
12:22
At the top = student-control with 6.6% Load avg 5.94 4.99 3.16
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<sbalneav>
ok, then it's only using 6.6 percent of your cpu
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<skipper>
Curious that it doesn't kook like 100%
12:23
<sbalneav>
so TCM isn't your problem.
12:23
<skipper>
But the TCM is still locked up
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<sbalneav>
ah, well that's different from using 100% of cpu :)
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<sbalneav>
what does the output of the "free" command give you?
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<skipper>
agreed, but I am just reporting what the System Monitor is saying
12:25
I have at least a gig of free memory
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<sbalneav>
paste the output, please
12:26
You can just paste it here, it's only 2 or 3 lines long
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<ltsppbot>
"skipper" pasted "Output of free command" (5 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/126
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<sbalneav>
ok, so you're not running out of ram. That's a good thing.
12:28
skipper: You wouldn't happen to be Joe, would you?
12:28
ok, lets see what else we can see.
12:28
<skipper>
No, I'm Ted
12:29
I have to leave for now. Can I get back later?
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<sbalneav>
Sure! I might be here, or not. I'm in Spain at the moment
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<skipper>
I am back, had to grab my lunch before the choll cafeteria closed!
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<ogra>
jammcq, dd if=/dev/zero of=/testfile bs=1024 count=100000
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<sbalneav>
skipper: So, what's the load average at now?
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<skipper>
with or without TCM
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<sbalneav>
without
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<skipper>
0.11 0.61 5.2
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<sbalneav>
Are you using VNC under TCM?
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<skipper>
No, I don't have it installed
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<sbalneav>
Hmm. Well, I'm at a bit of a loss. Pete Savage is the fellow who wrote it, he's cbx33 in #edubuntu.
12:50
Maybe file a bug at https://launchpad.net/tcm
12:50
Pete's usually pretty good about keeping an eye on bugs.
12:50
He'll be able to help you far more than I will.
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<skipper>
I can do that, thanks for all your help, have a great conference
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<AndrewGearhart>
hey folks!
13:47
just ran across LTSP... I think it will fit the bill for what I'm trying to do... my question is what (client software) is necessary to connect to a LTSP?
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<cliebow_>
ltsp Rocks..
13:52
it "can reside on any linux os that provides 4 essential services
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<AndrewGearhart>
bah... :( looks like it's not an option for what I was trying to do... the application that I'd be trying to run isn't ported to linux. boo. oh well... project for another day. ;-)
13:52
have a good one folks
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<cliebow_>
that answered that i guess
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<jeremydyoung>
Maybe the Topic scared him away.
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Or maybe I should read more carefully.. Strike my statement from the record.
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<cliebow_>
too late...preserved for posterity 8~)
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<comfrey>
hey all...
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i am having an issue with the keyboard on this here thin client
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works ok with the ubuntu default...
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but when i switch to a custom lts.conf ...
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the keys dont work
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<comfrey>
i am going to try shell on SCREEN_01
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see if it is an x thing or what
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any tips?
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hmm... so looks like x related
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um...
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also getting SCREEN_SCRIPT: rdesktop not found!
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<sutula>
comfrey: I guess it would depend on what's in your custom lts.conf; you might want to pastebot it so someone here can comment on it
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<comfrey>
oh, ok... let me see
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it is pretty simle config
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simple that is
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<ltsppbot>
"comfrey" pasted "my lts.conf" (4 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/127
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<comfrey>
can anyone tell me how the ubuntu config is stored if the lts.conf in /opt/ltsp/i386/etc is empty?
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<nick125_>
afternoon everyone
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<sepski>
comfrey, the default values are so good, common cases need no extra config, generate the file if it's missing. or copy from the example
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<comfrey>
ok, ...
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well why would the keyboard not work with a custom config?
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and why is the default screen on vt7 instead of vt1
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?
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<nick125_>
Anyone here know the status of LTSP 5.0 on Gentoo?
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<maximi81>
ajaja Hola
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i need help, where i can find the sis900 for boot
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?
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: ping
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<fox2k>
hi
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does anyone tested the new fuseaudio?
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<Mineque>
hello
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<fox2k>
hi
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<Mineque>
it is possible to login from client using smartcard?
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without password entering
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usb reader
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<fox2k>
you come from germany or?
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<cliebow>
J45p3r,
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<Mineque>
no... poland :)
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<fox2k>
oh i'm sorry..
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okay
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hmm authorization with smartcard..
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<cliebow>
J45p3r, Hiya
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<fox2k>
i think it is not impossible ;)
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but I don't know if it is implemented..
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<Mineque>
linux support that but what about ltsp :P
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so... i need to buy reader and test :P
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<fox2k>
do you know what you need for a normal linux station to authenticate with smartcard?
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<cliebow>
Mi
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<fox2k>
then you can port it to ltsp..
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<cliebow>
Mineque,
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Mineque,
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<Mineque>
cliebow: ?
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<fox2k>
;)
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<cliebow>
Mineque, talk yo jammcq tomorrow...
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<Mineque>
cliebow: thx
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<cliebow>
sorhy... dark in here
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<Mineque>
heh
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maybe try turn on some light?
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on increase brightness of screen :P
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fox2k: there is library for smartcard pcsc-lite
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<cliebow>
Mineque, fwiw http://www.disklessworkstations.com/cgi-bin/web/200021.html
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<Mineque>
"LTSP does not have an ability to read from this peripheral." :) "In Stock: No"
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i saw that yestarday :)
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<fox2k>
i think it's generally possible..
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<cliebow>
thaat is old..sbalneav is the localdev guru
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<fox2k>
yeah that's the problem..
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the local smartcard reader..
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if you use ldm as windowmanager you have to bring the "smartcard" to the server to authenticate..
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from client -> server, because the authentification is serversided..
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through the ssh tunnel..
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<cliebow>
that is what ltspfs is all about
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<fox2k>
right.. can you match everything from client to server ?
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<cliebow>
that is how localdevs like usb sticks work'
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<fox2k>
yes
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but then
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<Mineque>
fox2k: could you give me any links to ldm?
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<fox2k>
you can also match a printer or a scanner from client to server?
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i know
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<cliebow>
yes..
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<fox2k>
that if you want to print at a client
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<cliebow>
sort of anywaya
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<Mineque>
"http://www.unidata.ucar.edu/software/ldm/" You taking about that?
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<fox2k>
you don't match the printer to the server
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you start a printserver at the client..
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and then you can print at the clients printer or?
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<cliebow>
any printer can becpme a jetdirct printer
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<fox2k>
no
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ldm is the ltsp display manager..
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ldm is an X11 display manager similar to xdm, gdm and kdm, but unlike those it wraps the X11 traffic within an ssh tunnel to provide a secure login mechanism for remote X sessions. ldm provides access only through SSH, not locally. It is technically possible to use ldm to connect to the same host, but probably a waste of CPU power.
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<cliebow>
ohh. that no..
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<Mineque>
fox2k: thx
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<fox2k>
no problem..
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<cliebow>
fox2k: try to use pastebot if your text is long..or face the wrath of mistik1
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<fox2k>
^^ okay ;)
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<cliebow>
8~)
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<Mineque>
http://osdir.com/ml/linux.terminal-server.devel/2003-05/msg00001.html
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four years ago it was possible so now maybe too :P
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"I currently have ltsp4 working via openssh tunnels authenticated by smartcard."
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<cliebow>
i see that..kevin has not been prominent in development since..but jam would be the better judge of that
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<fox2k>
okay look the authetication via smartcard: http://www.opensc-project.org/
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<J45p3r>
cliebow: we can catch up tomorrow, was wondering if you knew how to check which perl modules are installed
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<cliebow>
well..we can call them..which machine?
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<J45p3r>
webmail
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<cliebow>
i "think " they are rpms for her..which module?
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<J45p3r>
is it possible to get a list of them all?
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<cliebow>
perhaps rpm -qa|grep nameofmodule
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perhaps rpm -qa|grep whatever..pretend it is google 8~)
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<J45p3r>
Compress:Zlib is one
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<cliebow>
dag wieers is where i got a lot of perl modules for diff. stuff
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dag wieers is where i got a lot of perl modules for diff. stuff
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<cliebow>
yeah Compress:Zlib seems there
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yeah Compress:Zlib seems thererpm -qa|grep perl|grep Z
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rpm -qa|grep perl
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<J45p3r>
cool, I'll use that to check the rest
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<fox2k>
so gn8
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<cliebow>
you cann google for dag + rpm if there are any missing
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<Mineque>
time to go...
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cya all
20:27* moquist waves from Hudson, NH
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<whiprush>
hi moquist!
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